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SMASHING PUMPKINS, VELVET REVOLVER Confirmed For KROQ L.A. INVASION - Aug. 13, 2007

According to MTV.com, SMASHING PUMPKINS, FOO FIGHTERS, KID ROCK and VELVET REVOLVER will anchor Los Angeles radio station SoKROQ's Inland Invasion fest ? which has been renamed the L.A. Invasion, since its relocation from a venue in Devore, California, to one in Carson. AGAINST ME!, CHRIS CORNELL, HOT HOT HEAT, SATELLITE PARTY, PARAMORE and CYPRESS HILL round out the bill for the show, which will take place September 15.

Source Blabbermouth


So what happens to the 9/15/07 Marysville, CA show?

i heard about this morning. cant wait for this show either

This seems to be a great year for the VR dvds collectors. Another pro-shot underway  :beer:

I wonder how is the lineup order going to be... I guess it will be Kid Rock > VR > FF > Smashing Pumpkins.

Great line up, should be a helluva show.

ill be there

is there going to be a webcast?

I would expect so, nothing for sure though

Details should be coming from www kroq.com

im kinda bummed, its the same day the scorpions are playing LA

So it seems that VR will perform between Kid Rock and Foo Fighters, and the Pumpkins will headline. Exactly like I imagined.

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thanks to nightrain_st for the alt+printscreen  :hihi:

If it's webcasted i'll see FF and probably KR so i guess i'll see VR too, SM is a maybe it'll be late.. CC is a no-no together with the rest, maybe AM but probably not

08.15.07
Velvet Revolver is excited to announce that they will be playing the KROQ Inland Invasion at the Home Depot Center in Carson, CA on Saturday, September 15th. In addition to the KROQ show, we have added a few new dates - including some shows in Canada - and have rescheduled the Marysville and Irvine shows.

Here are the new tour dates:
9/15 - Home Depot Center (KROQ Inland Invasion) - Carson, CA
9/20 - Sleep Train Amphitheatre - Marysville, CA (rescheduled from 9/15)
10/11 - Star Plaza Theatre - Merrillville, IN (NEW)
10/14 - MTS Centre - Winnipeg, MB (NEW)
10/15 - Credit Union Centre - Saskatoon, SK (NEW)
10/16 - Rexall Place - Edmonton, AB (NEW)
10/26 - Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre - Irvine, CA (rescheduled from 9/20)

not quite as cool as last years lineup, but good.  i'd like to see the pumpkins again.   i aint going clear to LA for this shit tho.

Some photos from the show:

http://www.wireimage.com/SearchResults.aspx?igi=285444&s=scott%20weiland&sfld=C&vwmd=e

i watched the webcast last night.   

Chris Cornell was all right, his voice was good on the audioslave songs at least.
 
I was reminded again of why I hate Kid Rock.  That gay ass bawitabada song was old the second time I heard it 10 years ago and guess what he opened with?  Then he starts rapping over a fucking Metallica song.

VR sucked.   Scott sucked.  I won't be going to see them next week now.  Someone tell Matt to tune his fucking snare drum.  And put down that stupid megaphone Scott, we dont need it in every song.    He really sucked at the end.

Foo Fighters and Smashing Pumpkins tho made watching this all night last night so worth it.   They were no GnR like last year, but both played very strong sets.  Not a huge foo fighters fan but they always put on a great live show and the Pumpkins currently have THE album of 2007 and the new bass player is pretty hot.

Agreed scott's preformance was bad but that probably was because he's ill, Although I do applaude scott for finishing the show even after he injured himself...

I didn't see it, but I keep hearing something was wrong with scott. Well I hope he gets better, wish him the best

Scott should NOT be singing Patience.  Especially the end.

oh well, at least foo and the pumpkins rocked it.   

any vids?

I forgot all about it last night.

How did he injure himself?

You?re not going to see them cos of a bad webcast and cos Scott was ill and injured himself at the end?  ???

i was iffy on it in the first place.  tickets are like 90 bucks.   not worth it when I'm not a fan of most of the songs, and I can't stand Scott on GnR classics like Patience.    The STP covers are cool but they don't play them as good as STP.   Just not worth it.   If this show was any indication of next weeks show, Its not worth it.

Alright... it?s your money and your choice.

He jumped of a monitor and twisted his ankle(or he pulled a hamstring or something not too sure about that) that's also the reason why he did slither sitting down...

That would have been a perfect opportunity to go "I'm getting too old for this shit"

and I can't stand Scott on GnR classics like Patience.  
Scott sang Patience ? Is nothing sacred anymore ;D

the webcast sucked, and was mixed very poorly, backing vocals being heard over main vocals.

scott was not on form for whatever reason, but everyone has off days.

Unfortunately yes he dose :(

Not really a surprise you wouldn't go see VR, you along with Jarmo have been one of the biggest complainers of VR around here. I say I glad you aren't going to see them, we don't need your kind. Now if only you would decide to do the same with this section of the message board  ::)

actually, in my opinion, it is your kind we don't need 'round these here parts.

ok, and why do you say that? I don't come here bitching and complaining like you do. I've respected both VR and GNR and have not talked trash just for something to do. Scott is allowed to have an off show, remember your sweet Axl at the VMAs. He completely stunk. He was out of breath during Jungle, but did I stop following the bad. I still went to see them when they were in Ottawa and enjoyed the performance. Axl had an off night it happens. Axl is still a great frontman and the new version of GNR does play a good show, the same is true of Scott and VR and one off night doesn't change that.

Why are you bringing GN'R into this?

It's about how much Scott sucked at this gig.

Nothing to do with the 2002 VMAs.


Most people on this board would rather see Axl on an "off night", than Scott.  : ok:



/jarmo

Nobody wants to see anybody on an off night, scott sucked, his voice sounded sick and terrible and he was off key quite a bit. Just like nobody wants to see "off night" axl out of breath, looking lethargic, and sounding like mickey mouse. Nothing to do with the 2002 vmas? I think it was quite relevant, the topic is about an off night, and this is a guns n roses board.

i was in the front row for the whole show. Scott sounded bad compared to the tuesday show in santa barbara.it look like scott fucked up his ankle jumping off a monitor towards the drumset, i wasn't looking right at him, but i heard him hit the floor and he had to sing slither while sitting on a chair, after the song we was able to walk off on his own power very ginerly

Poor Scott. Have you seen the footage where Axl jumps off a huge speaker, twisting his ankle when he lands! You can actually see him swear as he hits the ground. Trooper that he is, he covers it nicely and keeps dancing.  :rofl:

Someone here had the footage as their avatar. Cracked me up!

And Scott had to sit down you say......aww.

That was really fucking cheap, and you know that.

He was hurt and had to sit down... That seems pretty logical to me.

Also pretty stupid. Weiland isn't a young man any more. I tore the muscle and ligaments in my ankle when I was 21, and walked 3 miles home on it. Could I do that now? Could I arse.

Besides, not all twisted ankles are the same. But for a person who thought that hearts were on the right side of the chest, I wouldn't expect stolat to realise this.

oh, sorry for bringing Axl into it.  :P

yeah me too :-\

It's funny, I saw an amp they were using that said GUNS-N-ROSES on it.....
It's hard to believe they are still using stuff from 15 years ago that shouldn't belong to them to begin with.

The San Diego show wasn't as bad as KROQ's because: The injured ankle kept Scott from excessive ass-shaking, and the chilly weather made him keep his shirt on.
Also, since 1/3 of the songs they did were covers, the set wasn't that bad even if you don't like the VR albums.

Musicians tend to "own" their own gear so the theory of them "using stuff from 15 years ago that shouldn't belong to them to begin with" is off the mark.

You think he may still be using those same amps?  Crazy.  I don't care what the reviews say, I am excited to see them in a couple weeks!!

Ya, I wouildn't doubt it.

If not the same amps the same cabinets and road cases.

For anyone who watched the webcast:

Did there seem to be distance between the band members, particularly Scott and the rest of the band?

I noticed that there was little to no interaction between Scott and the band and not much among the band members when I saw them last Friday in Concord, CA.  It was concerning because it reminded me of what I saw in GN'R back in '92.

Ali

scott seemed sick

It bothers me that they choose to tune down in every other song.

But I thought that they sounded good either way, if not great.

Well, there was more than sickness the night before.  Scott being sick doesn't explain the complete lack of interaction between him and the band I saw.

Ali

Still, you think they would at least paint over the GNR on the cases.? It really invites comparisons when fans have that staring at them from the stage.? Maybe the band doesn't care.? If that's the case, more power to 'em.

From a review of the show...sounds like comments here.

One wanted to like Velvet Revolver, the quintet featuring ex-Guns N' Roses members and Stone Temple Pilots singer Scott Weiland, but the band's set failed to ignite. Slash's guitar chewed through the mix like a buzz saw, but most of the time the music was more of a dull, thudding roar. Weiland's obsession with using a megaphone and his off-putting stage manner didn't help.

I have to say that it annoyed the shit out of me when he was using the megaphone on "It's So Easy".  I think it took away from the song, which in the case of the show I saw, was arguably the most passionate and energetic song of the night.

Ali

I've been saying that for years, the megaphone has to go, he overuses that. My brother in law even complained about it after we saw them in St Paul last month and he rarely complains about concerts.

its cuz he aint got the pipes to scream.  so he yells into that stupid megaphone.

Yeah it was really obvious on Its So Easy, he couldn't scream like Axl does at the end of the song so he used the megaphone and it didn't turn out real well IMO. It seems like he is using it more these days though and thats not a good thing.

yeh the megaphone wuld be cool for like ONE song, maybe two.    and defintely not a GnR song which these peoples shouldn't be playing in the first place.

People have been playing other people's songs since the beginning of time. Both Slash and Duff have writing credits on "It's So Easy", so you could even argue that they are playing their own songs. I can't understand why some people on this board have a problem with that. Would you tell Hendrix to stop playing "All Along the Watchtower"?

(Edit for a typo)

You only mention one song.

They play more than one GN'R song you know?

Anyway, they mention It's So Easy as an example of where Scott has to use a megaphone because he doesn't have the range to sing it properly.




/jarmo

They have writing credits for Mr Brownstone too. Whatever.

I don't see what the big problem is. Even if you deem these songs as not "belonging" to Slash and Duff, they still have as much right to play them than any band who covers someone else. Do you have a problem with GNR playing "Knocking On Heaven's Door", "Live and Let Die", "Mama Kin", "Nice Boys", "Down on the Farm" etc?

There are certain songs that just have Guns N' Roses written all over them.

In considering the longstanding rift/history between the old members and Axl, it's just inappropriate under the circumstances.

A number of songs simply 'belong' to Guns N' Roses and all that the name stands for. (notice present tense).

Well, there's not much point arguing with that logic.

What logic?  There's nothing inappropriate about it. 

The problem is not that VR plays GN'R songs.
The problem is that those (otherwise average) GN'R songs are the highlights of their shows even for the unbiased critics.

By average I by no means mean bad. Just that those are not the big guns of GN'R.

Axl basically has a new band , and they play music that they didn't create for most of their set and that is the highlight of it all...... I don't see how Slash and Duff , who had a hand in writing and creating the music of Guns N Roses are to be told not to play their songs? For without them THEY WOULDN'T exist!!

Well that's normal, since it's GN'R ...

You know the word "new" is a bit absurd. This version of GN'R exist since 1999. Longer than the other lineup. "New" is not the word anymore.

So its normal for a band to play music that only 1/5 of it created and be normal but not for a band where 2/5 created it isn't?

Once again the homophobic VR fan decides that, in order to justify VR playing GN'R songs, he has to start talking about GN'R.


Do people who go see the Foo Fighters expect to hear Nirvana songs?

No, it's a different band with a different name.


Do you expect to hear Metallica songs at a Metallica concert even though the line-up hasn't stayed the same through the years? How about when you see the Rolling Stones? Iron Maiden? AC/DC?




/jarmo

I expect to hear GnR and STP songs because they are velvet revolver and thats what they do, You been following them for years now so you should know as well, get over it already.

Foo fighters is one man from nirvana ( kinda like AXL ROSE ) with a new band , only difference is Grohl changed the name. Metallca , AC/DC , and Maiden are line ups where it is mostly the original members.

Actually in Foo Fighters there is also a guitar player who used to play on Nirvana. But yeah... I agree with you. Velvet Revolver have all the rights to play Guns songs.

Pat Smear I think right?? He was a live guitarist strictly is what I thought , so he never really helped in creating the Nirvana sound. But yea VR has the rights to play ALL GNR songs but in reality they know that some songs they just shouldn't attempt to touch ( a la paradise city , jungle , NR , Estranged ) but to play ISE , Used to love her , Patience its not that bad , it sounds good and people enjoy it. Just because certain people think it's shit doesn't really make a difference if the majority of people enjoy it.  :beer:

Nope. Foo fighters are not nirvana so that they don't play nirvana songs.

yeah any band has the rights to cover classics.
nothing wrong with a band which main attractions are covers of their former bands.  :yes:

Think about it, if you can.

Different band name, different act, different songs.

Same band name, same band's songs.


It's got absolutely nothing to do with who's in the band.


Pearl Jam occasionally play a song by Mother Love Bone (which featured two PJ members). But I don't expect to hear them play it at every show.

I do expect them to play lots of PJ songs.


I know some of you want VR to keep playing GN'R songs because it reminds you of the old days which will never come back no matter how much you wish. I wonder how many VR fans would like to see them play more GN'R songs or more of their own songs....



/jarmo

This is a guns n roses board, would you be surprised to find out that VR fans on this board love hearing Gnr songs? and they are a different name and a different act, 3 songs out of 20+  is much different than a GNR show. Plus 44 is a new band name, and they still play blink 182 songs at their shows. Its like you are arguing some unwritten rules you came up with or something.   

I didn't say VR fans on this site did I?





/jarmo

Anyways , I just read the topic title and wow are we off anyways  :beer: for VR at KRQQ

Says the homophobe who brought up GN'R.

 :beer:


/jarmo

Once again fuck you Jarmo , read through the topic did I bring GNR up? NO i talked about it but didn't bring it up.  I try to make the board better by tracking back to the subject at hand and you fucking insult me. Your childish and immature.

Ah! Now I know why you stick around then.

It's like coming home for you isn't it?


Oh, and just to prove to you that I can be serious and act like an adult: Fuck you!





/jarmo

Yup ,  care to keep antagonizing me? It's pretty pointless.

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Why do you think you have been warned like five times already?

Is it because you're such a grown up? Noooo....

Is it because you're too stupid to understand our rules: Yeeeeees.






/jarmo

Why haven't you been warned for name calling and being a dick? Because you are a moderator , it doesn't make you above anything but of course you don't get penalized. After I try to get the subject back , you insult me? You decide to provoke another argument and for what?

What name calling?

I called you a homophobe because you're a homophobic dick.

If you're also racist, I'll call you a homophobic racist dick.



You thought you were clever didn't you?




/jarmo

Even if I was a homophobic dick , it's still name calling. How am I a homophobic dick? Look you bitch all the time about how VR threads turn into arguments on VR and GNR and how you hate it and all that crap , I say hey lets just get back to the topic and you insult me? If it bothers you that much this thread could've gone back to a normal one.

There.



Stop trying to moderate this section.

You're the last person who should try it.  : ok:


/jarmo

I dont fear them , I'm not afraid of faggots I dont like them. Stop trying to moderate? I was trying to make this a better place but obviously you like the arguing and bickering.

Whatever you say homophobe.



How did you bring the thread back on topic?

You didn't.

It was just spam.


 :beer:



/jarmo

Whatever you say asshole. I attempted to bring this thread back on topic , and you came along and called me a homophobe which you knew would stir shit up , which in turn caused this whole argument. If you would've not said anything or not insulted any one this wouldn't be happening now would it?

Look at the adult. Calling me an asshole.  :hihi:

You're obviously totally clueless.

Your use of a derogatory word is just fine, but me calling you a homophobe causes you to react?



Let's see the whole "Axl used it so it's ok" excuse....  ::)



/jarmo

You act as if you don't know it would? I have no idea what the hell Axl has anything to do with this. But I do however LOVE how you just ignore the whole point I just made about you.

What a bunch of bullshit.

So next time you use some racial slurs and I call you a racist, you're more upset about that than the fact that you use words you wouldn't be using in a different enviroment?

 


Fair enough. So you use the word because you think it's fine and normal, not because you think it's cool since Axl used it.

You made a point?

You wish!


Your whole point is that you were insulted by me calling you a homophobe, but you fail to see that the term you used isn't ok on this site.

I don't know if I have to tell you other words that are not ok to be used here?


I don't give a fuck if you like other men, women or both. You're welcome to this site if you're a fan of GN'R. People like you won't scare away those that might have a different sexual orientation from you.

Or different ethnicity for that matter.





/jarmo

What do you mean  "you wouldn't be using in a different enviroment?"

Saying Faggot isn't ok on this site and why is that? I'm not scaring anybody thats hilarious , I have an opinion and I will express it. I called gay men faggots , fag bags , homos , dick suckers , ass rapers , among lots of other names. I don't know where you get the whole ethnicity thing I dont recall making any claims about anyones race.

BTW My point was , if you hadn't called me a homophobe this wouldn't be going on.

Those words are so fucking offensive it is not funny! And I am not even a gay man, I have many friends who are though.

I think society decided that we won't be using those terms anymore about a decade ago.

You are seriously homphobic.

Well, did you ever see Die Hard 3?



I explained it.



I know, a guy like you....




I called you out on what I think you are.

People like you aren't gonna get the satisfaction of turning this site into something that fits their agenda and their point of view.


Last warning.. Next time you make a comment like that will be the last.



Edit: That didn't take long. Anybody else who thinks it's ok to make these kinds of remarks here might wanna think about it.... I will not let some close minded fucks ruin this board.



/jarmo

And what is wrong with offensive? When in our society did we get all caught up in making sure no ones feelings get hurt? If you're gay to me you are a faggot and I'm entitled to my own opinion. I will not accept everyone and I will say as I please. If we went around trying to offend no one our world would be horrible.

Bye.




/jarmo

Thanks, Jarmo!!   :)  He was just increasingly offensive.

You must live in the South of the good ole CSA. I don't want to hear that bigotted shit ... as a southerner.

And why fucken not? ?They were part of that legacy - they have every right in the world to play that song. ?

Whenever I visit this board (which is rare because most of the time I leave it feeling like I wanna punch someone) I find so much hypocrisy it makes me want to puke.

This place is the Bush Administration of forums. ?Put up or shut up. ?Did you guys know that the general consensus out there with this board is that you choose your own agenda over freedom of speech? ?And whats ok for Axl to do is not ok for the ex members to do? ?The admin is totally entitled to his own opinions....but he cannot enforce his ideas and opinions on other people by blocking their right to speak. ?Do you know what a forum is ADMIN? ?Let me remind you..

Main Entry: fo?rum
Pronunciation: 'for-&m
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural forums also fo?ra ?/-&/
Etymology: Latin; akin to Latin foris outside, fores door -- more at DOOR
1 a : the marketplace or public place of an ancient Roman city forming the center of judicial and public business b : a public meeting place for open discussion c : a medium (as a newspaper or online service) of open discussion or expression of ideas
2 : a judicial body or assembly : COURT
3 a : a public meeting or lecture involving audience discussion b : a program (as on radio or television) involving discussion of a problem usually by several authorities

Maybe you should stop advertising that you are a forum. ?In the meantime, like many people are, I wont be coming back.


I can hear the cheers. ?:)

Close the door behind you. I'll be sending your megaphone through the mail.

Good work for that RageNIN guy Jarmo. A sensitive homophobic, strange world I say ;D

Thank you.




/jarmo

I don't have a problem with VR doing GNR songs, I have a problem with Weiland singing GNR songs, he sounds horrible on them. I really enjoyed hearing Duff, Matt and Slash play Patience again when I saw them in concert but Weiland absolutely ruined it when he tried to sing the end of it, horrible. Maybe they should just do instrumental versions or let Duff sing them instead.

I always thought that Axl's great range allowed for these dynamics that created dramatic tension within the song.  Weiland doesn't have that range, so the songs lose some of their punch.

Of the three GN'R songs they do, "Patience" is the worst fit for Scott's voice.

Ali

I wish that they'd do more Stone Temple Pilots material.

Why? Because it sounds absolutely top-notch... And more songs from (both) 'Contraband' and 'Libertad' wouldn't hurt either.

I'm not saying that their try at the GN'R songs are that bad, but it just doesn't seem to fit in there.

That's not it.  I don't feel that way.  They play more of their own songs, and that's what I like to see.  I don't go to see VR because it reminds me of the old days.  A few songs thrown in, from either previous band...so what?  That's great, too! 

Personally, I thought VR, with Scott, did a great version of Patience.? (thank God I'm only on the internet, so I'm far enough away not to receive a slap in the face for that comment!? ?:nervous:? ?:D)?

I think the band sounded great, but the fact is that Scott does not have the range to do the outtro of the song.  That's the most dramatic and impactful part of that song so when you can't do that right it just takes away from the impact of the whole song.

Ali

the whole idea of a singer covering a song, is to do it in their own way. Scott probably wouldn't sing it like Axl even if he did have Axl's range.
does Axl sound like McCartney on LALD, or like Dylan on KOHD?
he has sounded great on all GNR songs Ive heard VR do.

I understand that.

But, still, the point is that Scott's lack of range doesn't allow for creating the kind of dynamics that Axl did in the songs.  The songs fall a little flat without that.

Scott can do it his way, but I'm saying his way isn't as good as the originals.  At least, on "Patience".

Ali

He can do Brownstone allright because it suits his range. He can almost do It's So Easy, but there's the trick of the final part. Same for Patience.

I'd love him to try a take on any of the new songs of GN'R though, he would be ridiculous :hihi:

He's just a crappy singer and frontman, and he will always be way behind Axl.

Maybe some of the parts of some of the GNR covers don't sound vocally as good as if Axl was singing it but musically they sound amazing. I do agree that Axl has more range and is better suited for certain songs...but at the same time can you imagine what Axl would sound like on Set me Free?

Or Sex Type Thing, Interstate Love Song, Sour Girl etc.

That said, if Axl were in a band with the Deleo's I'd have absolutely no problem with him/them giving a go at any song from their back catalog.

I think if you gave Axl that riff from Slash, he would do something amazing with it.  His track record with the vocals he's written and recorded over Slash riffs speaks for itself.

Ali

True, but he would not have used the same vocal range as Scott did which was kind of my point. Likewise I'm sure Scott would have come up with a different vocal arrangement on such songs as Patience that better suit him. I believe we were talking about covering a song as is.

Axl has the range to cover the vocal parts in "Set Me Free", no doubt.

Ali

hmmmm....no I don't think so. Or at least he has never demonstrated that he can go that low.

Well, then you haven't been listening very closely to GN'R, man.  Axl is full-on baritone, I am a full-on baritone and I can handle "Set Me Free" easily.  Listen to Axl's vocal harmony on "Breakdown" and you'll know what I am talking about.

Ali

I think VR's version of Patience is pretty good. Weiland does a great job on Brownstone aswell. Although i would prefer Duff singing It's So Easy, He should have sung that song in GNR aswell imo. VR are a spotty live band when they are having a bad night it is pretty bad but man when they are on they are fucking smokin'.

I dont know what the hell the problem with Weiland singing the Guns songs are, it isnt any different than whats going on in "Guns" with the music. I am not even gonna get started on the BV's.  Although i do wish they would do more STP songs, if anything just to not hear the Axl swingers bitch.

As for Axl doing Set Me Free, he could pull that off. I have thought about that before, if you listen to parts of Set Me Free some of the vocals are quite similar to Axl's style.

Is this a joke ? Do you own a GN'R album ? :rofl:

From down low to high pitched, Axl's range is like a fucking piano.

not live. on most live recordings of ISE, I can't even hear him. I mainly hear Tommy (I think) on live recordings from this lineup, and Duff from the old lineup. he doesn't have a very prominent lower range.

I think the joke on this board is how great everyone thinks Axl is and that he can do anything. I'll get slaughtered for that but I don't really care. I'm an Axl fan he is a huge tallent but he's a person just like anyone else and doesn't deserve the God-like status that some of you give him. And as was just said Axl's range in the studio and live are two seperate things, and don't start to question me as to have I heard or listened to any of the material. I have all the albums and a ton of bootlegs and have seen them live.
Everyone sounds slightly different and I just don't see Axl pulling off Set Me Free as Scott did, just the way Axl does the end of Patience different than Scott. Vocalists are individuals and they are different, if they weren't music wouldn't be too exciting.

I'm not saying Axl is God. I don't give a fuck about that shit.

But yeah, I say that he's an amzing singer / songwritter / performer etc. He's a great musician and vocalist.

And yes, He sounds a little different live than from the studio but that's normal because studio is a controlled environement and with live performances there's too many variable for the sound / voice to be 100% like the studio track. But still, what he does in the studio he can reproduce live.

Depending on the boot' there's versions of ISO where you can hear is lower parts crystal clear.

Weiland can't. Not even with a megaphone.

Axl doesn't sing It's So Easy by himself most of the time, as for some of the other songs people have talked about like Breakdown he has never from what I've heard lowered his range anywhere close to the album performance in a live performance. I'm not arguing that he isn't a tremedously talented individual, simply stating that he is an individual and he would not perform on a lot of VR songs like Scott does and this argument of comapring the two is silly. Scott does a good job of the old Guns classics and they are fun to hear.

Tommy/Duff's harmony on ISE is higher than Axl's melody.  Listen to Axl talk.  He is a full-on baritone and can hit all those lower notes.  To suggest otherwise is ludicrous.

Ali

Range is range.  If you can hit a note in the studio, then you can hit it period.  The only variable is the amount of air supporting the voice, which is probably going to be less for Axl live because he runs around so much.

He can sing the verses in "Set Me Free", no problem.  That was my point.  Not all this crap about giving Axl God-like status.  It's not like Scott Weiland is Barry White for godsakes.

Ali

It's all personal preference for me..

As for high end, I'd much rather listen to Axl's screech than anything Scott does in that range.

Low end's a different story, I prefer Scott's tone and richness to anything Axl has to offer in that register.

Well... I absolutely love Axl?s tone in Don?t Cry which I reckon to be quite low comparing to other Guns songs. Actually, the songs I like most to hear Axl?s voice are those where it is lower... like as I said Don?t Cry and Civil War.

A friend of mine often sings patience with other friends accompanying on acoustics, which I don't think so horrible. he doesn't go the high pitched bit but it's not as if he was in a cover band that people expect to sound as close to the old GN'R as possible.

Well there's a difference between a cover band and a band that covers songs in his set :yes:

The cover band will try anything to stick to the original material. The band will deliver his own version of the song. But VR's version of Patience is not good on the vocal part.

wow... you could try and say something different for once. Saying the same stuff in every post gets kinda boring you know...

If that's the case, you're both doing the same thing.

What the hell happened here anyway? :hihi:

It's supposed to be about Velvet Revolver's show at the KROQ L.A. Invasion.

This board is always the same crap. Lots of people at so narrow minded. I've said it before it's impossible to discuss anything with the majority of people cause if you say Scott does a decent job you are associated with calling him "Barry White" as some twit just described or you are dissing Axl. I'm with Falcon on the range preferences Axl does a great job in the high range and Scott in the low range. And you know what, that is personal preference and I'm entitled to that and not anybody, especially somebody on a board that only listens to one band is allowed to tell me what I should and shouldn't like and what I should and shouldn't feel when listening to music.

Twit?? Very mature response.? Maybe you should re-read what I wrote a little more carefully because you grossly misinterpreted what I wrote.

You said Axl couldn't sing the verses in "Set Me Free".? He can.? He has the range and is more than capable of hitting those notes.? It's not like Scott is a true bass (a la Barry White) using the lower part of his voice, making it difficult for anyone, Axl included, to sing his vocal parts.? That was my point.

No one ever said you couldn't have your preferences as to vocal tone or what you should and shouldn't like.? ?::)

Ali

Well if you meant it in that sense I apologize. There are way too many insane fans here that attack you when you say something that could be somewhat construed as being anti-GNR. Axl could probably do those low parts as you say, just not sure he would be really effective at it.

yeah, he can hit those notes. just not very powerfully in a live setting.
just like people diss Scott for not doing the high pitched ending of Patience, now, he probably could do it in the studio. but I don't blame him for playing it a bit safer live.

Thanks, man.  It's cool. 

But, for the record, I agree, Scott does have a very nice, rich tone in "Set Me Free" and even more so in "The Last Fight".

Ali

It was either Slash or Duff that said that the reason they picked "Mr. Brownstone" and "It's So Easy" to do live is that they are in Scott's range.  Perhaps Scott could hit the high notes in the outtros of "It's So Easy" and "Patience", but I doubt it.  He hasn't shown the ability to do that on any recording I've heard of him, either STP or VR.

Ali

I just think it's bullshit to even compare Axl to this Weiland character.

It's like comparing a pro to an amateur.

The real thing to a wanna-be.


Obviously some of you think Scott is the first. Poor misguided people.  :rofl:



/jarmo

I don't.

But I still think that it's unfair to label him as a poor frontman and singer.

Then again, it's all up to opinions.

lol who does think like that? I mean... we?re in a Guns forum... and we?d come here to say Scott "was first"? It?s kinda stupid but alright... To be quite honest, I don?t quite like Scott. He?s by far the VR member I like the least. I don?t like his style, his dance and his megaphone. But does it give me the right to say he ain?t a good professional on what he does? Or that he can?t sing? Nope... I don?t think so.  Obviously, being a Guns fan... it doesnt even cross my mind to say Scott is a best frontman than Axl... He ain?t... he never will be. But no way I?ll start disrespecting the guy because of my opinion. At least this is my civilized way of seeing things.

I'm glad you're so civilized.  : ok:


I just think the guy is boring and not even among the best frontmen of his generation.

It's like he wants to be up there so bad and tries really hard to be something he's not.




/jarmo

Good to see you hold your opinion in such high esteem.  However, IN MY OPINION, you always overstate your case.  So you don't like Scott, don't feign pity for me b/c I do.  I'm just happy there's room for differing opinions amongst the GnR fanbase.  I love GnR...I love STP, but for different reasons and different tastes.  VR is hit and miss with me.  Axl is a master at what he does, but I have no problem admitting that I feel Scott has created a more diverse body of work, and that's why I prefer him.

Yep...that's Jarmo, things are getting civil and people are talking and being cool and he pulls something out of his arse like that. Instead of saying he preferes Axl to Scott he has to belittle him to the point where the only person he is belittling is himself. But I guess if we are going to talk like that comparing Robin to Slash is like comparing a pro to an amateur. Is that the type of shit we want to promote?

You prefer Scott over Axl?  ??? I don?t wanna look like I?m contradicting myself but if that?s the case... I don?t think this board is the place for you.  I don?t mean to offend you in any way and I respect your opinion, but you?d do much better in a VR board.  :beer:

Why should he have to be on a VR board? Does GNR have to be your favorite band for you to come on this board? I love GNR but it's nice to have some diversity and for to have different people with different opinions here. And it would be nice for people not to be closed minded and to trash others opinions just cause they are different than theirs.

I agree with you.   :) But I was just advising the guy that he would do much better in a different board. I don?t feel (anymore) that this is the right board for a VR fan. There?s much better forums out there for that purpose. That?s my opinion anyway. Of course he can come here and post news about VR and then get upset by the posts following, everyday single day.

Depends. For you I'd say yes since you have an agenda.  :P


You don't have to think GN'R is #1, but don't expect us to feel sorry for you if you only come here to put down the bands and its fans.



/jarmo

Yes, I do prefer Weiland to Axl.  I liked Axl first b/c GnR hit the scene before STP did, but I have grown to like Scott better, for the reason I stated: I think he has more music for different moods.  This takes nothing from Axl.  Still love the guy's music.  As for leaving the board...why?  I post on a VR board, GnR board, STP board, PJ board, Flaming Lips board, Butch Walker board etc. etc. etc., b/c I like all types of bands and music.  I don't take others opinions personal, I just don't feel the need to bash differing opinions, and belittle those who disagree.  It's a big world guys.

Alright? : ok: I?m sorry if I offended you in anyway...?  :peace: I just thought you were using this board to check VR related threads. That?s why I advised you to go to a VR board. Cos I just feel this ain?t the best place for that.

you must have a lot of time on your hands

In my opinion that friend sings patient better than scott.

He's just an armature not wide ranged or trained but he sings the song thinking about his girl friend in the distance. He doesn't sing it just because it's by a certain band or because his friends can play it.

Haha, nice try, but I'm not touching this one.  I'm here to talk about music, nothing else.

No problem at all.  Things get a bit heated here some...well let's be honest...most of the time, but I'm not offended.  No need to apologize, but I appreciate it. :peace: