Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I bumped in to Eddie at the Marilyn Manson/ Slayer show in jersey tonight, he knows me because I bump into him at every concert.

I was wearing my Chinese Democracy T-shirt and he knows how hardcore I am so I just asked the Question

Whens It Coming out?

He told me he really thinks it'll Never Come out. He spoke to Bumblefoot last week and he said he doesnt know.

I'm writing this thread only as a news update. not to bring negativity


Eddie Is high up in the GNR News world and he really believes its never coming out

I knew it!!!!

 :o

sounds logical to me...

Eddie is not high up in the GN'R news world.? He knows about as much about GN'R as any of us do.? If you think that Bumblefoot would tell him, think again and remember that the band have signed confidentiality agreements regarding the album.? This isn't a news update regardless as Eddie Trunk is hardly an official source for news for GN'R.

Ali

As Axl is one who demands perfection, It'll be out when it is ready ...

Ifinglovevr, I trust you 1000% that Trunk saif that...but...honestly, aside from interviewing Axl and having had something to do with some weird GNR moments, I don't think he knows any more than we do when it comes to Chinese Democracy.

Pretty cool that you were able to talk with him though!   :beer:

Eddie Trunk is the man, whether this is true or not (and no, I'm not calling you a liar). Still, it's something I've been inclined to believe myself for awhile now.

You Believe that Eddie Trunk recons it wont ever come out?


 :peace:

I personally am inclined to be believe it won't ever come out. I find it more likely than not that Eddie's come to the same conclusion.

 :peace:

Eddie Trunk doesn't know, Ron doesn't know, I'm sure even Axl doesn't have a faintest idea when the record will come out.

It's obvious that it isn't about music or anybody's perfection. The record has been ready for ages, but the terms in which both Axl and the record company are willing to put it out are not. Chinese Democracy is a hostage. Axl wants his "this and that" before he gives the music to the company, the record company wants their "this and that" before they publish it. And until either one backs down and they get an agreement or a compromise, the record will not come out. And while the lawyers are doing their thing, there's always time for minor tweakings. Or some place on the planet where they haven't yet played on their Still Waiting For Chinese Democracy Tour 2001-2007 yet.

It can't be about the music anymore; it's all about politics.

No offense to the original poster nor Eddie Trunk but that is possibly the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

We know for fact that the newer artists (members) involved with the record have laid down guitar and drums on tracks for mixing and we know that the album was worked on a lot over the past year, who do you think is paying for this exactly?, out of the goodness of their heart alone.
Or maybe the plan is to record and album intended never to be released and the backers simply take a share of tour proceeds, along with promoters, managers, road crews, cinematographers, carers, security, venues, retailers and Axl's fucking hairdresser. Brilliant idea, pure genius.

Nobody would come to shows if they didn't think there was a record, not one soul that is obvious so they have to leak shitty demos that they have obviously put no effort into writing to keep the hype up so nobody catches on. You just can't trust these sneaky bastards.

I don't even think Axl really landed on the moon.  :rofl:

That made me laugh.

This is just Eddie Trunk's opinion.

The problem is that there is nothing obvious about what's going on with this album.  There is so little information that the general public knows about what's going on with the album, how can anything be truly obvious?

Ali

Exactly.  Also, do you really think that Ron would tell Eddie anything?  And what, risk his place in the band and getting a lawsuit for breach of contract for violating a confidentiality agreement?

Ali

Reminds me of my first post here. I was talking to Tommy Stinson in Leeds when he supported Jesse Malin, said he thought it'd be out in the new year. this was 3-4 years ago!

Can Stolat be an adverb? ... shit happens.

Never listen to tommy.. Well regardless of what eddie trunk thinks one thing is for sure there's nothing set to happen otherwise I'm sure he would have heard of a video being done or the  something about promo..

If Bumblefoot would know, he probably wouldn't tell Eddie Trunk, and if he did, I'm sure he'd have been sworn to secrecy anyway.

I can't see why BBF wouldn't tell eddie trunk......who has a radio show.....that tens of thousands of people listen too information about the release of the forth coming album  ::)

Exactly.

Worst case seneraio, in a couple of years the record company will force CDs release in a massive court battle to recoup their money.

Ron doesn't know anything...as Eddy, and maybe as Axl himself.

Why would anyone think Eddie Trunk is high up in the GNR news world?

it's not rons job to tell him when the record is coming out. and lets say he does say it'll be out november 07 and it doesnt come out then everyone will say ron dont know shit blah blah blah. if i recall eddie trunk didnt even know who was in GNR before the axl interview last year. i highly doubt he would know any of the new songs so why would he know when the cd is coming out? and i dont think trunk has 10 thousand listeners. just my 2 cents.

Then you obviously must know?

eddie trunk needs to stop smoking pot.

in that case GNR might aswell tell the release date at some kind of festival or at a concert.....with all those people there  ::) Ron himself said that you wouldn't be hearing any news coming out of his mouth, because it wasn't his place to do so. Just look at all those rumors last year concerning release dates, that didn't turn out to well, now did it.

I personally don 't think we're going to be hearing any kind of release date/ direction until they are completely certain that CD will be released in that period/on that date.

I don't think Eddie KNOWS anything, he's just stating his honest opinion.  The fact that Ron didn't give him an answer on when CD is coming out is not surprising.  Even if he knew he wouldn't tell him.  Axl would have his balls in a jar if he did that.  Unfortunately Eddie is not the only one with these morbid thoughts.  Hopefully Axl and co. can prove those people wrong. (fingers crossed)

The album exists and its out there sitting pretty behind a locked door soemwhere.  I have full confidence in  Axl and GNR and i know this record will drop.  I can't say when this will happen but it will someday.  Even the man himself released a newsletter stating the tentative release date of March 6, 2007.  All i keep saying to myself and the people who ask me is that i think the release of this record is alot sooner then we all think. : ok:

And oh what a glorious day that will be.

He's not the only one that thinks that and I've been saying it for some time now :-[

Eddie Trunk is not high in the GN'R Camp. Love his show(s).  Last year Eddie Trunk claimed there were 2 contracts for a European GN'R tour. One for the current line up, and another for the original. Also I don't think he's much of a GN'R fan. I saw him at the 1st H-Stein show in the VIP section. He appaerantly stopped in to rub elbows and left to do his FRI NIGH ROCKS show before GN'R came on.
Also he rarely plays GN'R on his show.

Why isn't this locked ?

am i misguided in thinkin that this year is now lookin very unlikely, when you allow for "proper promotion"? i mean, traditional promo to me means a single a month to 2 weeks before the album, and we should know the release date of both before the single comes out (often by a couple months or more)...?

maybe they wont do things that way, but since the "surprise release" bullshit, it seems they are pushin a more traditional line now...?

So just because he doesn't have a release date to spread around to people, he says it's never coming out?  ::)

I also suspect that the updates that matter regarding the album and its release won't come from Eddie Trunk.




/jarmo

Damn what a waste of time. So if this is true, we have jacking off here for no real reason...   :rant:  :hihi:

Hmm....

Obviously theirs a cd out their to be released, and it is most likely locked away in Axls hiding places somewhere ?:rofl:,

but whenever the hell its released is the 13 million dollar question,
and considering theirs no more scheduled tours for the rest of the year, or for the future to say the least at this point in time...
Then we should be hearing from them very soon,

cause now they have aaaaaaaaallllllll the time in the world to prepare chinese democracy and its release/promotion,
and theres no more excuses such as "we had to do finishing touches/tour Japan/fire Manager"

Hopefully its smooth sailing from this point on, and
HOPEFULLY WE HEAR FROM THEM BEFORE THE YEARS OUT

I only wish they tell us if there's any chance of album coming out in this year.
it's a disgracefull that after "album definitely in 2006", the 2007 passes without them even mentioning the album.

thats a good way to put it,

2006 WAS fully hyped up for chinese democracy, and so far this year , apart from the imfamous "tentative " release date,
we havent even heard axl talk about the album at all this year?

Whats going on...
last year he was mentioning it in every second sentence?

its fucking pathetic what we as fans have gone through LOL

You think that after the treatment some of his fans gave Axl for talking about the album last year, that he's gonna make the same mistake again?

Think again.





/jarmo

Oh! A Radio DJ!









 :P

Axl said he would keep us updated in the press release.  So I will go off what Axl said.

/PhillyRiot

There's not even rumors of any sort of promotion being planned or made. Nowadays, a band like that would never film a videoclip without being discovered, even if they choose to film in Tibet or the North Pole. That said, I have to agree with Eddie. ?:drool:

you mean the 650 000 fans that saw the band in Europe deserve this?

and who gave Axl the treatment?! I didnt know that something that a 14 year old kid on the net says can reflect on the bands decision making?!

So to you it makes no sense to only update when there's something to update about and those things are set in stone....

Even the word tentative went over many peoples' heads.



What the fuck are you talking about? European fans?

We all got to see some amazing shows. Did you pay for something else other than a ticket to the concert?



All I'm saying that it makes sense to make sure everything is set in stone before saying anything.

You want updates so you can whine about them later.


This is nothing new. You've been doing this for a while now.


These examples below have actually happened:


We want updates!

Update arrives.

We didn't want that kind of update!



We want updates!

Update says: We hope to....

It didn't happen! Liars!



And you wonder why they're quiet at times.....  ::)




/jarmo

Thinking about the treatment from AXL TO THE FANS, everything he may have heard at Eddie's show was not even close to the frustration of waiting all those years for an album, supporting the band on tours (aka $$$ profits help) and seing release dates fail one after the other.

Valid point on the updates Jarmo.

I guess my major query is, if there isn't anything to give us an update on, why isn't there? At what actual stage is the album right now?

Obviously we'll know when it's coming, but it'd be nice to know what's happening s'all.

I totally agree.

Sorry I am not really following you here.? Your first post implied Axl would not speak about the album due to some form of treatment he recieved from the fans.? I am not sure where that was coming from.? All I know is Axl said he would update us as soon as there is something to report.? If you know otherwise, please do tell.

If this guy reported that Trunk told him that he heard the CD is out in September, all of you would have been bashing him for spreading more bullshit

I believe what he said, and whether or not he has real knowledge, I guess we'll never know-

Let's ask Stolat.  It knows what's going on.  Apparently there is plenty of news.


I really don't buy the "treatment from the fans" thing as a reason for no updates.  Sure, Axl's human, but you'd hope he'd have a pretty thick skin by now.  The silence just continues to exasperate the situation.


Note for stolat:
exasperate |ig?zasp??r?t| verb [ trans. ] irritate intensely; infuriate

Jarmo is higher on the GNR newswire than Eddie Trunk.

And Bumble simply doesn't want to get fired.

The next update will come from Axl, the record label, or another INSIDE source ( Del James?)

Relax people, it's coming.

dood, you mean exacerbate.

what the fuck are you talking about?!
You chose to ignore reality and substitute it with your own! (you should be a guest star on Mythbusters)...

I was talking in respect to your statement. you stated how bad the fans treated axl last year....
and from what I remember, he was most welcomed by everybody except for some bad apples here and there.



isnt that something you'd normaly be expecting?



shiver me timbers...
I had no idea that I was singlehandedly responsible for the album delay, and the lack of info.

back to the topic...

you must have some problems with understanding...
people are not mad about the updates... they are mad because some of the updates are insult to our inteligence.


I'm here for the bloody music, and all I care about is a) seeing them live, b) hearing their music.

I'm sorry that I do not masturbate to "band goes to the zoo" photos. I unfortunately dont get off on things like that.
I'm sure it would have been much easier to stick with the band for the past 8 years if I came every time I saw a photo of one of the members.


for the few of us...hetero males on these forums :beer: ... there hasnt been much things we can get our panties wet lately and hence the tensions.

At times I think that Chinese Democracy isn't an album but the state of Axl's mental status...

I m at that point where I actually believe this,, CD is never coming out unfortunaly.. After Axl said it was out on March 6th.. And not even himself was able to make this happen.. then it's a lost case.. At least we got some pretty good leaks, a good cover band doing tours and VR actually releasing Albums

No.

The two words sound the same and are often confused, but there's a difference.
Exasperate is as I described.
Exacerbate can be used in the context of "to increase the bitterness of"

So either is really acceptable, depending on what you mean. ?But I meant exasperate.

Having said that - living in North America the butchering of the English language is criminal and people make up new words and new uses of existing words all the time. ?:)

It makes sense to think so. There is no sensible musical reason why the band should not give any updates on the situation. It must be legal and financial matters, copyright issues etc., which Axl understandably cannot/does not want to discuss in public. ?

Axl is not a stupid guy. He knows that the fans are growing impatient for information, not to mention the album itself. If the delayed release of CD was only about music, I take it that we would have had much more news and updates all along. Certainly not to the extent that some other bands do - Axl tends to keep things private - but I don't think he deliberately holds back information for years and years just for the hell of it.

What treatment??  Disappointment that he has not produced or backed up what he has said.  He continues to make excuses as to why it is not out now and its always someone elses fault.

People will hear music this year (2006)

March 6th or soon thereaftrer and if not then an update as to what the holdup is.


Anytime I bring this up, my posts get deleted.  Anytime I bring up that Axl is not following through on his words, my post gets deleted.  Why??  Truth hurts??

I've been a fan since 1988 so I'd say my opinion accounts for something.

Axl needs to stop acting like a fuckin' pussy as do many around here who don't allow an opposing opinion to be expressed.

The album is long overdue for those of us who have stuck around and supported Axl and his new lineup, his new vision.

On with the moterfuckin show already and enough of this moneymaking short tour spurts to pad their pockets.

And quit pacifying Axl already.  You all support the continued delays for CD'S release by doing so.

This is funny coming from you.

The shows in Europe or North America had nothing to do with the fact that some of you were pissed off when March 6th (a tentative release date) passed.


And I should be on Mythbusters?  :hihi:

You should be on one of those fishing shows on Discovery Channel. Something like "In this episode Lucky joins us on a trip to the sea of Common Sense and he's trying to catch the Big Clue."





 :hihi:

I don't feel insulted at all, I guess that makes me dumb?


The amusing thing is that so many fans claim to be fans from years ago.

They've been around and yet they haven't noticed one minor detail about GN'R. GN'R are not about what you want and when you want it!

Never was.




Exactly the kind of whining you're responsible for right now.  : ok:


Every time a band member says something about the album, it gets blown out of proportion by some of you.

It's even worse when Axl says something.


Now, think a little, do you think it's weird that they're not saying anything considering what I just said above?

If it makes no sense to you, maybe somebody else can explain it to you.




You're so supportive.  ::)

Too bad, for you, GN'R doesn't owe you shit.


Now move on with your life if this is too much to handle.





/jarmo

How is it "supporting" the continued delays with the album when someone accepts what they can and, more importantly, cannot control?

Nothing any of us say or do will either speed up or slow down the album's release.

Ali

But it's also quite conceivable that things get blown out of proportion BECAUSE the bands gives people nothing else to go on.

How many threads do we have about the littlest bit of information where we see it over analysed to DEATH.   I would argue that this behaviour is BECAUSE of the lack of information we get from the band.  If more information was forthcoming on a REGULAR basis I guarantee we wouldn't have threads about what kind of gum Axl was chewing in the Tokyo show or whatever. 

Seems like all the whiners are back.

I was hoping they'd be sleeping under a rock by now.

I guess I was wrong.



To all those who can't handle all this stress: Fuck off. We don't want you here.

I'm not gonna pretend to like your kind of miserable over analyzing  fans with your "he owes us" chip on your fucking shoulder.

Move along.



Please note: Bumblefoot does not give out news about the album, release dates or any of that stuff.  If anyone asks, the answer they'll get is "I don't know...".  : ok:

Which makes this whole thing pointless to start with since we're back where we started before Eddie's latest "update".



/jarmo

From Eddie Trunk:

PLEASE STOP THE G N' R INSANITY!!!!

Please stop the G&R insanity! Really, it is just stupid at this point!! I am getting emails from people about posts on message boards about things I did NOT say. How can anyone take all this so seriously? One guy asks me at the Manson show if I knew when the CD was coming out and I said no idea "maybe tomorrow, maybe never". Just small talk. I have NO INFO AT ALL and honestly don't care about it until it actually exists! I spoke to Bumblefoot who said the Asian tour was awesome, but he has no news either. It is crazy how things are completely taken out of context and blown up online. Really gets old after a while. I HAVE NO NEWS AT ALL, IF AND WHEN I DO I WILL LET YOU KNOW, BUT PLEASE STOP THIS DUMB SHIT AND OVER-REACTION!!!!

http://www.eddietrunk.com/blogarticle.php?columns_id=966