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An expert computer analyst has presented evidence that so-called "Al-Qaeda" tapes are routinely digitally doctored and has also unwittingly exposed an astounding detail that clearly indicates a Pentagon affiliated organization in the U.S. is directly responsible for releasing the videos.

"Neal Krawetz, a researcher and computer security consultant, gave an interesting presentation today at the BlackHat security conference in Las Vegas about analyzing digital photographs and video images for alterations and enhancements," reports Wired News .

"Using a program he wrote (and provided on the conference CD-ROM) Krawetz could print out the quantization tables in a JPEG file (that indicate how the image was compressed) and determine the last tool that created the image -- that is, the make and model of the camera if the image is original or the version of Photoshop that was used to alter and re-save the image. "

Krawetz's most telling discovery comes in the form of a detail contained in a 2006 Ayman al-Zawahiri tape. From his analysis he concludes that the As-Sahab logo (the alleged media arm of Al-Qaeda) and the IntelCenter logo (a U.S. based private intelligence organization that "monitors terrorist activity") were both added to the video at the same time .


http://www.infowars.com/articles/terror/al_qaeda_tapes_digitally_doctored.htm

There's no question they're doctored in the sense that IntelCenter is responsible for translating the videos.  But this seems to suggest that Pentagon guys are meeting up with Osama for a film shoot.  Adding the logos at the same time is peculiar, but you need better evidence than that to conclude that the Pentagon is creating the videos.

True, but it does add to an increasing pile.

Yes, and I suppose the London Bus Bombings were doctored also!

There's a high probabillity, yes.

Show some respect to the people involved. You are welcome to your theories, but dude that's some sick twisted shit you have going on in your head.

Then again, maybe I shouldn't have loaded the gun for you!

Wanting to find the truth is respect for the people involved.

And discarding every theory that doesn't fit your perception without looking at the facts is not the definition of smart.

Neither is to suggest something has a high probability without being armed with all the facts!

Why the high probablility? Where do you base your assumption?

The facts as they stand are; 52 People were killed!  Several people arrested and confirmed their intent to kill and cause as much carnage as possible.

you see you have to understand the world from the liberal perspective....there are no bad people in the world, anything terrible that happens is most likely some 'government coverup".  They sleep better at night believing that there are no evil people in the world that can hurt us at any time.  They love to believe 9/11 was an inside job.  Because the TRUTH is just to scary for them to handle.  The truth being there are people out there who want to kill us, and sometimes there is nothing we can do to stop them...

I agree with you Dr Cox. Unfortunately there are some people who live their lives through an long running episode of the X Files.

If I had all the facts I wouldn't have said 'probabillity'.

I base my assumptions on this:

-On the same day, at the same time, at the same place, there was conducted a drill with the exact same scenario.

-The metal inside the wagons was bent upwards, pointing towards an external explosion.

-Tony Blair refused to allow an investigation of the incident. Claiming it to be a diversion towards catching the perpetrators.

-The bus was the only bus rerouted after the bombings took place. Some days before an 'inspector' had used 20 hours on what is normally a short routine check.

-Several of the suspects had connections to British Intelligence.

-A former MI5 agent claimed that Intelligence were behind it.

That's what I can think of at the top of my head.

This is the definition of flawed logic.

my problem with this is, without the orgional there is no way of knowing for sure......... and i dont mean from the obvious of hey this vid says they love the US and this say all amercians must die..... but from what is "received" and portrayed as being orgional. from the time the video is filmed to it being shown to the masses it no doubt goes through editing software is recomplied etc etc etc, so by the time the tape reaches amercian officals what they get could have been through several editing steps thus not giving it a clean prespective of it being edited or not edited by US Intel Org's. While I merit this program and the work done by this guy, i think that realisticly it should only be looked at in a way that does not point to coverup, and for it to be portrayed in that manner is damaging to all parties involved. IMO this is another example of MSM telling the readers what they are supposed to get out of reading this article.

Its sad that someone needs to be so critical of MSM for not reporting the news and the news that they do report requires the reader to research through many other convoluted articles and often try and find offical documents pertaining to the news in question so that the reader actualy gets a accurate picture. It makes one wonder if journalists are taught in college how to research subject matter.

there was a news article i read about a man walking away from a firey car wreck without a scratch..... was being told in a manner that the guy was completely surrounded by flames trapped in his car and managed to walk through the flames to saftey. the actual stroy from the man himself was car crashed had to squeeze out of rear window of car...... walked over took out cellphone called cops sat down on curb car caught fire as the police and fire crews were arriving....................... about 2-5 mins after he was out of the car............. talk about making up a story..... its like the whole saying ... if your going to lie blend it with actual true facts and its no longer a lie its now just not accurate, but its true... lol

ok then answer me these questions (not to be an ass im just filtering)

1. Has not terror attack on the tubes and buses been trained on for awhile now? IRA stuff and the like, and greatly increased post 9/11? Could the attack have been planned to coincide with the trainning aspect as to confuse emergencey services and cause more civilian deaths?

2. depending on the location of the explosive on the inside of the wagons and the type and design of the explosive unless the floor was blasted upwards thenmost likely it was an interneal explosion as the metal would be turn upwards, shaped charges and such. Is it possible that the use of a badly shaped charge or the use of a container carried in a back pack and laid on the floor, could have been used to cause the most destructive force upwards to rain debris down on civ's on the street around it?

3. thining of resurces is a fav tactic of terrorists and extremiests (domestic and forgien) cause a diversion that doesnt quite add up to the whole of everything and for PoPo to look at more then they can ahndle and be able to slip away to fight again later. Could it have been that this is what was being attempted?

4. what was the route that the bus traveled on a regular basis was it near the attack points? would it have been traveling on routes that EMS would require as main routes to expedite travel time to and from the attack areas?

5. in what way were tehy connected to BI? worked for? informant for? watched by? investigated by? (not uncommon, for military and federal employment here CSIS does a BG search for several months before allowing you to be hired. and even longer if forgien born... same with immigration) could their connection be based on any of the above factors?

6. was he canned? If yes why? what was he most notable for? what is area of expertise? how long has he been out? ( i ask this cause MSM passes on these military expercts here that have been out of the loop for 15-20 yrs and are commenting on stuff they dont know about due to changes in doctrine equipment etc.

 ... of horse dung

I see you took my advice and aquired the tin foil hat.

What a load of crap.

No, just the puppy killings.

Dude, I'm sorry but this sounds like a steaming load of shit.

So did WMD and "Mushroom cloud" but that never stopped anybody from believing it.  :hihi:

The CIA is notorious for it's disinformation campains to spread instability and chaos within an organization, however, I think even they could do a better job than this. A great example was when Al Zaqawi was killed. They "leaked" that they got the information from an inside source. That was reaching into Alan Dulles bag of tricks.

there are those on the EXTREME far left who prob do believe what COX said.  the problem is how the word "liberal" is used to slander people and put them down.  the repubs did a good job of basically changing the meaning of that word during the 80s.  most democrats would laugh their asses off at COX statement.  but there are people like polluxxum who think every act of terror is caused by the US or her allies  ::)

the far right is just as ridiculous.  there are STILL people who think Iraq and Al Queda had/have ties.  Morons.

How about an Europe of real europeans only, or if USA had no muslims in their country would terror be an big issue? Throw rocks at the west? :P

We CAN stop it, we don't cause the TV says it's political incorrect and that is one reason people die in terror-attacks.
Thats not racism either...it's an disturbing fact.

We have all seen the nature of these so called 'terrorists'. Young, desillusioned men strapping a bomb on their chests. I think you're seriously overestemating their capabillities. Of course, it is possible, but we have to ask ourselves, when letting go of our pre-programmed beliefs, what is the most far fetched?


Accounts by survivors that were in the carriage.

"There was a hole in the floor with wood and metal bent UP towards the roof."

Eye-witness testimony from Bruce Lait, taken immediately after the incident, identifies the hole in the carriage as

"the metal was pushed upwards as if the bomb was underneath the train"

Lizzie Kenworthy describe the hole as being

"twisted upwards' and in the 'middle of the carriage" rather than the rear.

"Mark Honingsbaum recorded several witnesses speaking of explosions under the floor of the train."

And:

"'The explosives appear to be of military origin, which is very worrying,' said Christophe Chaboud, head of the French Anti-Terrorism Coordination Unit and one of five top officials sent by Paris to London immediately after Thursday's attacks."


Once again, you're giving these people way too much credit. Intelligence operates on huge budgets. If they wanted to they could investigate every aspect of a serious incident like this. The level of technology, informers, experience and abillity are staggering. Fact is they chose not to, or, the men in high power chose not to. For whatever reason.


"The bus driver pointed out that the number 30 bus was the only one to be re-routed after the initial bombs went off in the London Underground, every other bus carried on its normal journey, but for some reason this bus was diverted.

The driver notes the following about CCTV maintainence.

"CCTV gets maintained at least 2 or 3 times a week and can digitally store upto 2 whole weeks worth of footage. this is done by a private contractor....So when I heard that the CCTV wasn't working on a vehicle that's no more than 2 years old since last June.....I'm sorry that's rubbish, I work for the company I know different."

Also a point of interest....last saturday a contractor came to inspect the CCTV on the buses at the depot, According to my supervisor the person spent more than 20 hours over that weekend, 20 hours to see if the CCTV is working? Also that person who came was not a regular contractor, for security reasons the same few people always come to the depot to carry out work, this time it was different."


"According to a testimony given by a July 7th survivor to the 7 July Review Committee on March 23 2006, a meeting was due to take place that morning in Linton House, 7-10 Tavistock Square, that had been called at the last minute on July 6th, immediately following the news that London had won the 2012 Olympic bid.

The witness told the 7 July Review Committee that she had provided information about the meeting anonymously to police as she believed it may have some connection to the bus explosion outside her company's head office in Tavistock Square.

The information was provided anonymously after her employers warned that talking about the events of July 7th to anyone, especially to the media, was forbidden and would result in instant dismissal."


"An explosion occurred in Tavistock Square on a No. 30 double-decker bus operated by Stagecoach London travelling its route from Marble Arch to Hackney Wick.

Earlier, the bus had passed through the Kings Cross area as it travelled from Hackney Wick to Marble Arch. At Marble Arch, the bus turned around and started the return route from Marble Arch to Hackney Wick. It left Marble Arch at 09:00 a.m. and arrived at Euston bus station at 09:35 a.m., where crowds of people had been evacuated from the tube and were boarding buses. The bus then followed a diversion from its normal route because of road closures in the Kings Cross area (due to the earlier tube bombings). People who had been evacuated from the Underground were continuing to board the bus. At the time of the explosion the bus was travelling through Tavistock Square at the point where it joins Upper Woburn Place. It is not clear when or where the bomber boarded the bus, and the police have appealed for witnesses."

"A British citizen named Haroon Rashid Aswat, living in Lusaka, Zambia is wanted for questioning in relation to the 7/7 London bomb attacks

The same source (Fox News) which presents Aswat as the "mastermind", also points to Aswat's relationship to British and US intelligence, through a British based Islamic organization Al-Muhajiroun.   

In an interview with Fox News (29 July 2005), intelligence expert John Loftus revealed that Haroon Rashid Aswat had connections to the British Secret Service MI-6 (emphasis added):  "the entire British police are out chasing him, and one wing of the British government, MI-6 or the British Secret Service, has been hiding him... ""

"LOFTUS: This is the guy, and what's really embarrassing is that the entire British police are out chasing him, and one wing of the British government, MI6 or the British Secret Service, has been hiding him. And this has been a real source of contention between the CIA, the Justice Department, and Britain.

JERRICK: MI6 has been hiding him. Are you saying that he has been working for them?

LOFTUS: Oh I'm not saying it. This is what the Muslim sheik said in an interview in a British newspaper back in 2001.

JERRICK: So he's a double agent, or was?

LOFTUS: He's a double agent.

JERRICK: So he's working for the Brits to try to give them information about Al-Qaeda, but in reality he's still an Al-Qaeda operative.

LOFTUS: Yeah. The CIA and the Israelis all accused MI 6 of letting all these terrorists live in London not because they're getting Al-Qaeda information, but for appeasement. It was one of those you leave us alone, we leave you alone kind of things."

And as for the bombers themselves:

Mohammad Sidique Khan

Two of Khan's friends from school were interviewed for a BBC radio documentary, "Biography of a Bomber" (MP3 audio), part of Radio 4's Koran and Country series. The documentary revealed that Khan?s friends were mainly white, that he considered himself Western, that he had returned from a trip to America besotted with all things American, and that he was more commonly known by an anglicised version of his name, 'Sid'.

Hasib Mir Hussain

He attended Thomas Danby College in Leeds, where he had gained an AVCE in business this year and was awaiting the results of the five NVQs he had taken at the time of the London bombings. He had previously attended Matthew Murray High School in Beeston from 1998 to 2003, during which time he had a good attendance record. He achieved GCSEs in English language, English literature, maths, science, Urdu, design technology and a GNVQ in business studies.

In the days following the release of Hasib?s identity as one of the suspects, people who knew him gave widely varying accounts of the type of young man he was.

The Mirror reported that he was ?full of hate? from the age of 14 when he threatened terror against classmates in the wake of September 11 and it was also reported that he had been withdrawn from sitting his GCSEs by the school. However, these claims were rubbished by the headmaster of the school who stated:

"There has been a lot of misinformation spread about this young man. He did the GCSEs, contrary to reports in the media, and he did not spread leaflets of hate mail around the school. It's just not true. We are as staggered as anyone else that this has happened and there was absolutely no indication during his time here that it would.?

Hasib was also described as a troublemaker who would often get into fights, although a neighbour said of him:

"He was an ordinary lad. He always smiled as he walked past our house. He was soft-spoken and calm."

He was described by a friend whom The Guardian newspaper as ?A charmer who liked to flirt?. The friend also spoke of Hasib?s sense of humour and style, citing the blue contact lenses he would sometimes wear, adding:

?He was a good lad?a good looking man. He had a good personality.?

Another friend told the Evening Standard:

?Hasib was someone I looked up to. He was a gentle giant.?

There were a few reports from the community that until the summer of 2004, Hasib was also known for his clubbing and occasional drug taking. However, The Guardian reported that such activities made Hasib no different from any other teenager in the area and that according to his friends, just days before the London bombings, Hasib had little else to talk about but cars, girls and sport.

Shehzad Tanweer

The news that Shehzad was suspected of detonating a bomb on a tube train at Aldgate left the people who knew and loved him reeling with shock. Their comments and statements unanimously give the impression of a quiet, sporty young man who took little interest in the news or political issues.

The Washington Post quoted part of an interview given by Shehzad?s cousin, Safina Ahmad:

"He felt completely integrated and never showed any signs of disaffection," Ahmad wrote. Tanweer was never interested in foreign policy or politics, said Ahmad, adding that she never once saw him reading a newspaper or watching the news. Nor did she see him attend any protests against Britain's involvement in Iraq or Afghanistan, or against Israel.?


A former British intelligence agent, jailed in 2002 for linking the British government with paying an Islamic militant group $160,000 in a failed assassination attempt on Colonel Mu'ammar al-Qadhafi of Libya, said this week the recent London bombings have all the earmarks of an inside job just like 9/11.
 
"It's amazing how many aspects of the two events are so similar," said David Shayler, the former MI5 agent and whistle blower, in a telephone conversation this week from his home in East Bonn on the southern coast of England.
 
Shayler, a thorn in the British government's side ever since he blew the whistle in 1997 about rampant corruption within both arms of British intelligence, MI5 (domestic) and MI6 (foreign), said he has just began looking into the details of the 7/7 attacks, but what's being released through the press and government reports shows a strikingly similar pattern to what he calls "the same type of misinformation thrown out after 9/11."
 
"First, we learn about the training exercises going on here just like 9/11. Next, they release suspicious evidence left behind by the culprits as well as quickly releasing identifying pictures of the suspects just like the did after 9/11," he said.

Here are 2 additional pieces of information:

"MSNBC TV translator Jacob Keryakes, who said that a copy of the message was later posted on a secular Web site, noted that the claim of responsibility contained an error in one of the Quranic verses it cited. That suggests that the claim may be phony, he said. 'This is not something al-Qaida would do,' he said."

"To date, not one piece of evidence has been released that could be used to convict someone in a court of law for what happened on July 7th and the government still has no plans to organise an Independent Public Inquiry into events that day."

Polluxum, is it you that has asperghers? (sorry about the phonetic spelling)......

ROTFLMFAO

Support for Asperger Syndrome can be found HERE (http://www.udel.edu/bkirby/asperger/)

That's what I call you in my head!  :rofl:

Girl Polluxum Girl!  ;D

"shit for brains" ... your a petty little fascist aren't you.

Whereas I can't translate the whole thing, I get the guist.