Here Today... Gone To Hell!

The latest news on Saturday?s 20th anniversary celebration for Guns N? Roses? Appetite for Destruction (a landmark Rolling Stone will celebrate on our next cover) comes from former GN?R guitarist Izzy Stradlin. Via his fan site, Stradlin says, ?Steven [Adler] is playing Key Club this Saturday ? I may drop by and say hello.? That brings the current RSVP list to two confirmed performances (Adler with Adler?s Appetite and Tracii Guns with L.A. Guns), three maybes (Stradlin, Slash and Duff McKagan, though Adler has  stated those three are definitely coming by) and one presumed nope (Axl Rose). Adler ? who partied at L.A. hotspot Hyde Monday night to celebrate Slash?s birthday ? however, remains confident a full reunion is in the cards: ?Axl and I spoke to each other in Las Vegas recently, and I know there?s a chance,? he said. ?It?s just too big. Whatever the Stones make when they play, we?d triple it. It?d be ridiculous not to do it. He can?t be that goofy.?

from RollingStone (http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2007/07/26/guns-n-roses-anniversary-show-update-izzy-stradlin-is-a-maybe/)

this will be so big if it really happens! can?t wait!  : ok:

im sure the izzy part is a bit of new news?

well... that?s an update. He hadn?t confirmed yet.

This should be on ''ex-gunners''.

None of these guys are in Guns N' Roses.

And the title is very misleading. If this show occurs, fine, but that will not be Guns N' Roses.

It'll be 4 times more "Guns N' Roses" than the current GNR

that?s GN?R : ok:
what do you think is GN?R, a band playin karaoke???

Its certainly not adler and his gnr tribute band. GNR is Axl, Robin, Richard, Tommy, Brain, Dizzy, Frank, Chris, and Ron. If you can't accept that then maybe you are on the wrong site  : ok:

i think slash and duff also are maybes

?It?s just too big. Whatever the Stones make when they play, we?d triple it. It?d be ridiculous not to do it. He can?t be that goofy.?


Shut up, Steven.

Izzy has said he may pop along, may meaning not definatley but just may

nah thaths axl?s band

that's something they all deserve to themselves, even for one night, few hours, please, that doesn't mean anything, tHey can go back to their bands the next day... come on it's AFD.

Word on the street here is Slash, Duff and yes Gilby will definitely be there. Izzy is a maybe at this point. All I know is I'm going to be there having a good time regardless of who shows up.

As far as I've heard, the show is sold out.  I'm starting to see people begging for tickets, on other sites. 

 ::)? I've seen this said, so many times in the last couple days.? I've avoided responding to it, but I've seen it one too many times, and so you get it.? Despite all the arguments that exist over this show as to who is what and what is what, this is still a significant show...like it or not.? I, for one, don't view it as a "reunion", but just the guys who made AFD getting together, which is pretty awesome.? People are right - you can't have a reunion of a band that still exists.? ?

However, I'm gonna' say it - that line up that's mentioned over & over - a year or so ago, it was different, and - next year, at this time, there will be a different line up.? So who is GnR, anymore?? ? Except for one person - it changes all the time!? Changes have gone on, since 1989 or 90.? That's GnR.? So that's why we all belong here.? I'm sure everyone has their own dream of the ideal GnR lineup, whatever that may be..... 

PLEASE TAKE PICS!!!!!! Everyone take pics at your anniversary party and we'll all post them! :beer:

And please record audio/video if possible!

It'd be cool if Slash, Duff, Izzy and Steven play together.

But I'm sick of Steven thinking that he'd be involved in a GnR reunion (you know what I mean- the old band). As far as I'm concerned, if the old band does reunite, I'd want to see Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy and Matt.
Steven was fired because he couldn't handle the Illusion stuff. I'd want to see the old band play Appitite stuff, of course, but also classics from the Illusions. Matt can do that. Steven can't.

Perfect solution - If there would ever be a reunion, have Matt play the Illusion songs and adler play the AFD songs, that would work and everyone would be happy

loooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

Ofcourse it will be GNR, dont be a pet. Everyone at that club will say "I saw GNR minus Axl", thats it.

Guns N' Roses without Axl............meh.  :-\

When it should be "I saw Adler's Appetite with some former members of GN'R".



/jarmo

and when people see the the new gnr it should be " I saw Axl Rose and a back up band play GNR songs "

 : ok:

So you're saying people are thick?

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1237/850574575_44feca4e76.jpg)

That's from last week. Look at the billboard.

Guns N' Roses.

People who went there went to a Guns N' Roses show.


No matter what you say.


Sucks to be you......




/jarmo

They maybe Guns N Roses in name, but with only one original member they're pretty much a totally different band. Imagine if Paul McCartney went on tour now with three other hired guys and called it The Beatles! Even if he legally could no one really consider them The Beatles. The same applies here. Axl's band is G N R in name only. I'll still buy his new album if it ever comes, but I won't tag it as G N R on my computer... it'll be filed under Axl Rose.

Jarmo... a quick question that just popped into my head: if Axl was to show up on this party would you see it (the party) in a better/different way? Cos you seem (or shall I say you always are) to be on Axl?s side. But remember, you can?t read his mind, you don?t know his feeling... afterall, after all these years Axl might have less hard feeling towards the former members (it was even you who said in a an other thread that Axl, in the last couple of years haven?t talked about them). Just remember, everytime you attack the ex-members or everything related to them (e.g: this party, their bands...) as defending Axl or his side whatsoever, you can?t know for sure if you are really doing Axl a favour.

Imagine this, imagine that.


I saw Guns N' Roses play in Japan last week. You can't argue with that.



Whatever you say Ines.  : ok:



/jarmo

lol ok... thanks for even bothering answering.  : ok:

A VR fan is telling me that Axl wants to do that show....

Yeah, sure.




I don't need to try to read his mind.

I stick to facts.



/jarmo

Humm fine but first, I?m not a VR fan, I?m a GN?R fan (that keeps on track of the former members and enjoys their bands, not disrespecting but supporting them). What I can?t stand is the full disrespect of the former members and everything which is related to them (even in their right sections of the board).
I try to believe (call it an utopia, whatever) that we?re all here for something: loving Guns N? Roses (both old and new). You?ve seen both of them live already (lucky you indeed), you?ve experienced both bands (if we can call it different bands) so you once loved the old guys too. I?ve seen the new band once and I loved it... but it didn?t kept me from loving the old guys and watch the gigs of 91 or whatever that I wanted to have seen so badly.
Anyway, what I don?t understand is this new shitty way of talking of Guns N? Roses as it was the new one full stop (like... who fucking cares about the old one... afterall, I bet you can give me the example of many people that turned into GN?R fans by seeing the new band  ::)). This ain?t to be like that! Why do you think every thread now turns into this? An old vs new band thread? Cos many people, like me, don?t agree with this view of things!
I know you?ll say for me to move on to another forum or whatever but I won?t and never will be, cos besides all this shit that gets very frustrating at times, I think this is the best place over the internet to be with fellow guns bands (who supposedly have the same interests...) and discuss all matters related to our favourite band (which I can?t, talking personally, with my parents or friends lol).

Disrespect my ass.

I'm not interested in promoting certain aspects of the former members activities.

Such as misleading the fans by making false statements about "reunions".


I love the old band, but unlike many other fans, I don't need to bring them up every time Guns N' Roses is mentioned in the year 2007.

Certain people chose to leave over ten years ago. I'm not gonna hold that against the current band.


After seeing what certain former members are currently doing, I've lost interest in their music.


I used to be like you, I even thought the Snakepit album was great just because it was GN'R related. Then I put it down and listened to it months later and realized it wasn't.



I'm sorry if I don't think the Adler's Appetite tracks are mindblowing.

I prefer Izzy's songs to anything they've done.




I also prefer the new GN'R tracks to anything any former member has done.



/jarmo

Thanks for answering, it means a lot  : ok:. I respect your opininion. I just can?t help myself thinking this place could be a bit better you know? We could have more peaceful threads instead of the battle fields they have been lately lol.

please post photos!!!! the lucky people who are gonna be there : ok:

Why don't you go and create something better yourself, then?

See why do you get so defensive , really the moderation on this board is uncalled for but thats another story. I myself don't think that , but a lot ( I STRESS A LOT ) of people think that. I have my own opinions about the band but thats something else as well. But in all honesty dude to see Axl Rose, Slash , Duff , Izzy and Adler on stage , being a GNR fan wouldn't that be an amazing thing to watch? Also why did you label me as a "VR" fan , it is very possible to be a fan of both Old GNR , New GNR , VR , Alders Appetite and Izzy's stuff.

Knowing that at least one member of those five doesn't want to be part of that, no it wouldn't be amazing.




/jarmo

Axl doesn't wanna be part of that?

The Appetite For Destruction show with Steven Adler.

yeah, you're right

Since when are you their conscious? I was almost 100% sure you are not in

Axl , Slash , Duff , Izzy OR Steven's head

Unlike you, I'm not that selfish to wish somebody to take part in something they're not interested taking part in.






/jarmo

But how do you KNOW this? I have never heard Axl say I'm not interested in doing the steven adler thing? You are assuming....

Humm... no comments. ::)

I believe the term used to describe it, is called "common sense".




/jarmo

You are still assuming , don't put words in peoples mouth. Axl never said anything of not wanting to play with those guys again and you can't vouch for it.

yes he did.   go back and read his press release from 2002.   get off your reunion crap and get with 2007 or fuck off.

If Axl wanted to play with those guys, he would be playing with them right now. All those guys could sell their souls to satan for a reunion. They need Axl. But Axl CLEARLY doesnt need them. Axl has his band, Guns N' Roses, united and rocking.

From what year again? 2002 oh yes its 2007 year have you heard of changing your feelings? I'm not saying anything about the reunion you dumbass I'm saying you can't vouch for any body on what they want to do. So how about you fuck off.

EDIT: Again you can't vouch for Axl , you make it seem like Slash and Co would do anything for a reunion , they are doing fine in a band called Velvet Revolver. Apperantly Axl needs them to make a cd , because I havent seen one released!

Fine.

But maybe you should think twice before saying something like that again.

I definitely agree that we could move on from the "fighting", but saying that this board could be "better" is pretty stupid.

Why? Because you're a guest. And you didn't create this website eleven years ago. Neither did I.

But it pisses me off either way - Nothing personal, it just does.


2006.

Axl talked about a reunion on the Eddie Trunk show and he clearly denied it.

That wasn't your question, though - but I can promise you that it'll never, ever happen.

I don?t know why CD has not being released yet. But I am absolutely sure that Axl doesn?t need his old partners to do CD.  I respect if Axl doesn?t want to be part of certain parties to celebrate the 20th anniversary or AFD. I can?t understand why people don?t think of Axl like a human being. He makes a wonderful album (AFD) with some people but he can?t be condemned to stay with those people forever.  Besides, for the story I know, GNR was mainly the idea of Axl and Izzy. Nobody can?t deny that current lineup is GNR just as in 1992 GNR was the band of the illusion tour despite of the departure of Steven and Izzy. In my case I began being a GNR fan in 1987 principally because of Axl. I think that in every era Axl has been the one who makes GNR something so special, without denying the contribution of the others members. Today I continue thinking that Axl makes special the GNR of 2006 and 2007; however I like very much Robin, Tommy, Fortus, Bumblefoot and specially Dizzy. Back in 1987 I like very much Izzy, because of that it was very emotional for me to see Axl and Izzy playing together last year. On the other hand I think that Steven has the right of celebrating like he wants and I hope everything will be OK for him. But, GNR had been and always will be Axl Band.

I'd like for Axl to at least to say something about the AFD anniversary , he made it happen and deserves a share of credit.  Axl made GNR special but come on NO other guitarist on the LA strip at 83 or 84 could come up with those solos and riffs , everyone back in the day was important to GNR. Now , I think its more of Axl's idea of the band. If it is gonna be "Axl" band it should be called Axl Rose or something a long those lines because I think its wrong and disrespectful to not only the old lineup but the new line up as well , they pour just as much effort as Axl does.

boo hoo.   its called Guns N' Roses and nothing you say is going to change that.   :peace:   get over it, 11 years later already.

It is true that every person in GNR has made an important contribution and I don?t want to be disrespectful to anyone has been in GNR. But I don?t think that Slash?s solos and riffs have been the most important thing in GNR. I think that the lyrics of the GNR songs are awesome. GNR combined the rough part of life with some phrase of hope or love. In almost every song of GNR there are certain feelings that are difficult to find in others rock songs. For me Axl is a magical songwriter, he expresses his feeling in a very honest way in different kinds of songs (songs very different like November Rain or One in a Million or Breakdown or Sweet Child O Mine). I always think that Izzy is an excellent songwriter too. I can?t deny Slash?s contributions but I really think that without Slash, Guns N' Roses continue being Guns N' Roses. 

I agree with you in everything you have said. But I know this is subjective.

The text in bold is a fact. There's no place for discussion. Guns N' Roses was born without Slash and its currently still alive (and rocking intensely) without him.

You miss the point because you decide to not even read my post and say blah blah blah , I said AXL ROSE IS NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO WORKS HARD IN THAT BAND , IF THAT WAS THE CASE IT BE CALLED AXL ROSE OR SOMETHING A LONG THOSE LINES. Get it now? ALSO sure GNR was born without slash , but who made the classic guitar lines. If you honestly think that w.o slash songs like paradise city , scom , or even NR would be as great you are OUT of your mind. Its funny because that quote is an opinion , no where near a fact we could argue all day on if slash made gnr something more.

Um, you do know that Axl has a reputation for putting in effort at a 200% level.........

And bumblefoot , robin etc don't put in that kinda effort?

absolutely.  Robin and Ron both are amazing and they certainly put their all into this band when they are on that stage.. and we know Robin has played a big role in writing some kickass songs.  Ron has added some nice touches to songs like Chinese Democracy.

I was referring to the comment - but who made the classic guitar lines? ^

?? What did you mean by that then? I'm pretty sure Axl puts in a lot of effort and always has , but slash  duff izzy and even steven did as well? Slash made the guitar lines , and without them there is no way in HELL the songs would be nearly as good as they are.

the impact would have been different no doubt, for better or worse.  all we can do is speculate.  no one is denying the ex-members contributions to AFD.   I dont know why you are going on about this.    We've acknowledged the ex-members so... what else is ther to do but move on?

Someone said GNR will always be Axl Band , and I don't think that's right. It's not really about the old guys its about the new lineup , it's wrong to call it Axl's Band when you have that many members pouring all they got into this project.

True, but when the reviews and critiques come out much of it will be aimed at Axl.

agreed but it still doesn't make it axl's band its Guns N Roses.

You're really trying to suggest that Axl came up with the guitar licks?  ::)

maybe on piano.

Dude are you serious? You are implying that Axl Rose came up with guitar licks on piano??  :nervous: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Yes, it aint so far fetched. It's how the Beatles wrote alot of their stuff. Paul would go to John: "Hey John, do you think you could play something like this on guitar?" **Paul plays melody on piano**

John: "Oh I don't know lad. You mean something like this".......

(do with Liverpudlian accent for full impact)

I will end the conversation right now , this is uncalled for if you seriously think axl rose came up with guitar licks for scom , pc , wttj , rocket queen , nightrain and most gnr song you have seriously lost it.

Should be a great concert, even without Axl!!! Let's hope the other guys can make it and to all those attending: have a great time!!!

This Guns N' Roses reunion is something I've waited a whole long time for. The chemistry in the band used to be bigger then anything in the world. Maybe Axl will join in for the 25th anniversary.

in fact who is the common point of all the line ups in Guns ?

Axl.

after that, you can argue the best team he had was the appetite one.
some others think it's the UYI band, with sorum & dizzy.
time will tell for the chinese democracy band.

but for what i've seen live, there's a good chance i'll prefer that one...

guns n'roses is a moving entity, but the miracle is with different members the music is always great.
so i suppose we all must thanks Axl Rose for the most part of it.

oh so what pisses you off is the word "better"? ok... so about some improvement? whats wrong about that? whats wrong about people who use this forum and like it make suggestions to turn this into a better place (oh, sorry used it again). I don?t think that?s stupid... what I think is stupid is that nowadays every thread is turning into this. and why? cos people can?t respect others opinions anymore. I said it once and I?ll repeat, if I didn?t like this place I wouldn?t be here anymore, I just believe everything can turn a bit better, even us, human beings... so I think that "oh go to another board or build one" is kinda lame cos thats not my point... at all.

Deffinatly agree with this.
I'm sorry, but the 'piano theory' is one of the most ridiculous things I have read on here. You are pretty much giving Axl 100% credit for Appitite, and Slash and co. nothing.
It's a joke, and a disgrace.

I give Slash credit for playing them as only he could. And the other musicians for doing their thang!

Believe me, when you liken something to Lennon and McCartney it really is a complement.

No, it's a compliment to Axl. It's an insult to Slash and the band.

I'm following in RageNirvanaNIN's footsteps and am just going to end this conversation, it has gotten way too much of a joke, it's just mind-boggling.

Going by how they made Estranged in the making of vid, Slash wrote all the guitar parts and any interview I have ever seen Axl talks about lyrics more then anything that was his contribution to the band.

When Sweet Child O MIne was created, Slash was messing around with that lick and Steven told him to keep going and started playing, that is what started that song.   Come now Axl may have been the singer and the focus and its a musical genius for sure but saying that he basically wrote all the music in GNR is really, really, really unbelievable.

Fucking. Hell.

What are you fighting about, again?

Slash wrote some.

Duff wrote some.

Steven wrote some.

Izzy wrote some.

Axl wrote some.

There it is!

If thats what you really believe, that Axl played all of Slash's solos and riffs from Appetite to him on the piano initially and everything else the band played was just what Axl played to them on piano then you have one of the most delusional interpertations of the band and you are so misguided that it is sad.

Haha, yeah I can imagine Axl playing Welcome To The Jungle from start to finish on his piano and telling Slash to play it. :rofl: Have you got a source for any of this crap, coz this is the funniest thing I've ever heard.

It seems on Appetite, the band worked together a lot more - Izzy or sometimes Duff would come up with a riff, Slash would turn it up to 11, make it rock, and Axl would write the melodies and lyrics while Slash would play the solos. Izzy and Duff also wrote a lot of lyrics and vocal melodies.  Slash also wrote some of the riffs, but most were Izzy's, although Slash did write some of the more famous ones (WTTJ, SCOM). They would have arranged the songs together too. Axl's vocal performance is possibly the most amazing thing about the album, but I don't think I've ever heard of him writing any of the music, certainly not on piano. :rofl:

The Illusions were a lot more individual - Axl's songs, with music and lyrics, although the band would turn it up to 11 again - dead horse and estranged are good examples. Axl had a basic chord progression but then the rest of the band came up with the heavier part based on that progression. There was Izzy's songs, with lyrics and music written, and Slash's songs with Axl writing the lyrics over the top. There are also a few older Axl/Stradlin compositions from before Appetite.

Axl, Izzy and Slash were the key to these albums together, I can't imagine how any of them would sound without one of those individuals.

So when the hell does this show start? I'm waiting to see how wrong Adler is. :rofl:

i am a fan of guns n roses (old and new), Velvet revolver, izzy stradlin, etc etc

I have never seen the old gnr live, and they are by far my favourite band ever

I have seen the new gnr live 3 times, and thought they were brilliant.

Ive seen Velvet revolver live 5 times and they were also brilliant

So i feel i have an open view with regards to new and old members

Untill the new guns n roses release some actual material, in the form of a certain long awaited album (which i am happy to wait for, it will arrive when it arrives, yet as each day passes with no news, i dont feel the most confident, but i will keep faith and wait) You cannot compare these bands

Guns N' Roses will always be slash,duff,izzy and axl (i like steven, but i will take him or matt) - untill maybe we are proved otherwise with studio albums

No matter what, people will long for a reunion, there is no point arguing over it

Garry sends Mandy updates since he's attending the show.. they are on gnr2k

these are the updates yet:

"Izzy soundchecking with steven. Paradise and mama kin"

"Got my picture taken with Izzy"

"just met steven."

You know, as reluctant as I am to take the guy at his word, I'd love it for everything Steven said to come true.  There's no way I think Axl will show, but still.  Good for Steven, Izzy, and whoever else shows up.  They deserve to have a fun, killer show, and celebrate everything that AFD achieved and still represents today.

I had trouble finding this thread, but now that I did, I'll post the updates here as well. : ok:

i hope axl would show up and this would be properly bootlegged :)

it's 3:30 pm in Turkey now, but i'll wait for this forever :)

Yeah, that'll happen.....

Thanks for the updates!

which one????????  :drool: :drool: :drool:

you mean 3.30 am.. because it's 2.30 am here.. anyway its only like 5.30 pm in LA so there's a good couple of hours left

yeah my fault :(

anyway, i'm very very very excited about this nite, i hope everything goes well.

The more "below the radar" this thread is, the better, as far as I'm concerned.  Thanks in advance for any updates...

I'm so sleepy, it's now 4:00am here in Turkey.C'mon Axl, C'mon Slash.
Thanx for the updates guys :beer:

c'mon any updates??? :(

i really hate this thread is somewhere like a junkyard :( , why cant this be at the main section ???

Because it's an ex-gunners show.

Well Izzy's one foot is still in gn'r and it's a huge event for any gunner.IMO it deserves to be on the main section.

It's an Adler's Appetite show with Izzy as a guest.

Not an Izzy show with Adler as a guest.

And still, Izzy is an ex member, probably the one closest to the current GNR, but still an ex member.

despite all my love,support and respect to the current line up, this will be a guns n roses show if axl shows up. and this is the holy starting five of gn'r , some respect please,we are celebrating the one and only AFD!

i don't give a fuck for how original line up betrayed and tried to fuck axl up (imo) , and it's axl's decision to forgive them and show up or anything. but this might be the best thing ever happened for 14 years, a whole lotta GN'R show. i'd kill a man to be there :(

Please keep Axl out of this.



/jarmo

I bet many htgth members logged to this site to check the updates on Axl showing up, but couldn't find the topic and assumed Jarmo doesn't allow talking about it.I don't understand what the big deal is.I mean if Axl doesn't show up, u guys can always put it back here, right

Wake up and smell the coffee already.

Axl's not going to be there.

The Guns N' Roses that matters in 2007 finished a tour last Saturday in Osaka, Japan in front of thousands of ecstatic fans.




/jarmo

I love the new band, but I don't understand how any GnR fan could not be excited by the prospect of 4/5 of the Appitite line up possibly playing together.

and yes it's the guns n roses that I love and support and matters to me too, but they could've finish this leg in front of hundreds of thousands fans with the ex-line up.

there's only one in a zillion chance axl would show up, but it'd be worth waiting for hours :)

afd line up is the best line up rock music ever seen.

Yeah well it's still missing something very important.




/jarmo

If anyone actually thinks or even hopes Axl is going to be there then you're fucking delusional. It's not gonna happen...

Who said that was going to happen?

but we love the chance that axl showing up, no matter how impossible :) , without him that show would not be a gnr show :(

so the original gn'r doesnt matter today?


Steven Adler said there's a posibility.We know how less of a chance it is but we are the same guys who are still waiting for CD  ;)

with words from god himself ;

I BROUGHT ME AN ILLUSION
AN I PUT IT ON THE WALL
I LET IT FILL MY HEAD WITH DREAMS
AND I HAD TO HAVE THEM ALL
BUT OH THE TASTE IS NEVER SO SWEET
AS WHAT YOU'D BELIEVE IT IS...
WELL I GUESS IT NEVER IS
IT'S THESE PREJUDICED ILLUSIONS
THAT PUMP THE BLOOD
TO THE HEART OF THE BIZ...

Well, I am a Guns N' Roses fan (without buying that ''old'' and ''new'' bullshit) and I am excited about this show.

But I hate when people and specially Adler talks about this show as a Guns N' Roses show. He is promising something that is not true from the start.

I am excited about this show. Not as excited as I am with the GNR shows. But that thing that is going to happen at the Key Club is not, under any aspect/circunstances, a GNR show.

Did I say anyone said it? I was making a general statement that if anyone actually thought he was gonna be there then they are fucking nuts, not that I have to explain myself to you.  : ok:

Guys, it might be too late and some of you might already be sleeping and dreaming, so I'll wake you up...

AXL WON'T BE THERE.

It's an Adler's Appetite show with Izzy as a guest. AXL WON'T BE THERE.

my dear friend we KNOW he won't be there , but we dont wanna wake up from this DREAM.

But that's a crazy thing to say. No one has implied that Axl will be there. We all know he won't be there. Some of us are excited about the other 4.

This idea that members are praying for or expecting Axl to show is only being used by people who don't want this given attention.

What's with everyone expecting the whole of Appetite to be played even if 4/5th's of this thing even show up?
Duff and Slash and Matt haven't played the non-hits for around a decade.

and if Axl shows, which would really shock me, you expect them to just know when everyone comes in and to know their parts? ?

If this thing happens, it'll be Paradise City, SCOM, KOHD and possibly It's So Easy and Brownstone.
You can argue "Oh well Izzy played It's So Easy with Axl in ?'06"....
Well yeah, true. But When was that song last played with the old line-up? I rest my case.

And unless Axl shows this thing to me is just the same as a VR show. It's missing the most important ingredient.
It's like having a Sunday Roast Dinner without the meat. All you get's the trimmings.

Oh and Jarmo, outta interest, are you still in Japan?

I agree with you. It isn't a GnR show, because as we all know, Axl, Robin etc are GnR. And all the possible participants are in different bands now. So it isn't a GnR show by name, but it would be 4/5ths of the Appitite line up, which is a pretty awesome thing, esspecially on AFD's 20th anniversary.
And the Guns N' Roses name, as I see it, is pretty much a brand now, that Axl owns. This show wouldn't be under that banner, but as far as I'm concerned, it's just a name.
I don't like how Addler shills a reunion whenever possible, but it's still pretty cool today. With or probably without Axl (even though he would be a huge missing link).

More from Garry:

"Right in front."


(Should I post new replies every time I get an update or should I just edit this post?)

Here's Izzy at Adler's Soundcheck this afternoon....
(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k107/dabrookman/keyclub.jpg)

wow thanks for the pic, Izzy looks so cool

I texted Garry asking about the rumours of Axl being there or Slash and Duff and this is what he said:

"Axl nowhere to be seen. Musta been a bogus rumor. No official word on slash and duff, but they are expected to show up"

Interesting - it's the same names. Funny that it is the same people who were in another thread showing a huge lack of support and respect to Axl and Guns N' Roses today that are having problems with the idea that Axl may be way more talented than they originally thought.

Lyrics more than anything was his contribution to the band!!! Unbelievable!  :rofl:

Helmet 2!  :rofl: :rofl:

Give me a break, if you knew anything about me and knew me when I was at MYGNR Years ago, all my avs, sigs and everything else was completely Axl Rose doesn't mean that I can't see that they are all talented and all made old gnr what it was not just Axl.  Anyhow this a more then TIRED arguement.  My posting in that other thread, had nothing to do what so ever with who was more talented, it was why couldn't this be discussed in this section.

One last thing, Old GNR was all about lyrics yes but also the riffs are the most amazing riffs ever to be played in songs...words and music, words and music....takes the whole band to create that and just because I think that way doesn't mean I don't like, respect or support the new band.

Anyhow, I am done with you with this, this event is going on and I am not going to be disrespectful to it by discussing this any further with you or anyone.

Yeh, maybe I should have quoted this guy instead.

Never said EVERYTHING else the band played was just what Axl played on piano!? ::)

Anyway, enjoy the show.......If that's what you choose to support.......

does he just call them helmet 2 because he doesnt like them?

Oh please. What matters is that you have 4 of the guys together who made this band what it is.

I'll guarantee tonight draws another packed out club full of ecstatic fans.

These guys being at this show matters to the majority of people who call themselves Guns N Roses fans.

oh, and you have 3 ex-Gn'R members on VR. they can't sell-out a show, dude. this is a AFD party and people will show up cause they think Axl might be there. Don't be that ridiculous, please. : ok:

"Girl band done. Last song: rocket queen"




I think so...

Thanks bro.

But your opinion doesn't change the fact that you have 4 of the guys onstage playing the songs that made Guns N Roses what it is. This has nothing to do with VR, but nice try.   : ok:

your opinion does not matter at all.
it's not a "nice try", it's the truth. PEOPLE don't fucking show up at VR's show cause they sucks, ya know?
if there are a lot of people waiting for this show, the only reason is "Axl might show up".
your opinion doesn't change the fact that Duff, Steven and Slash can't write good music... without Axl. Axl, on the other hand, wrote some fucking nice songs... : ok:

I'll not waste my time, I'll not increase my post count, lol. Please, keep this thread clean 'cause people want to read updates from Mandy.

Thanks, Mandy. :-*


EDIT, just to make sure that people will read:



STOP BEING STUPID, I'LL NOT POST ANYMORE.

AGAIN:



hope it's fuckin' clear now.
some people are too stupid to read, lol.

You've gotta be kidding right? VR suck and can't sell out shows?
Maybe you should run that by all the people that attended VR's sold out shows when they toured Australia in 2005...


I love the current GN'R lineup and all, but the amount of disrespect here for the original band that made the album that takes up 90% of GN'R's current setlist these days, is just unacceptable.

Newsflash: if it wasn't for those guys, there wouldn't be Guns N' Roses legacy for the new band to build from in the first place.

And saying that isn't dissing the current band at all, it'd just be nice of some you to respect the past.

Yes, it is a good thing izzy is there........out of respect for the past.........lending a little dose of credibility to the thing......

Oh, really ? They can't write good music without Axl ? ?:rofl: I have some solo albums by these guys that prove otherwise. If you choose to not acknowledge guys that were responsible in this music's creation, that's your choice. I assure you that your opinion is not vastly agreed with by the general public.? ?: ok:

You've been to a VR show to judge how many people are there? I didn't think so VR shows get a nice turn out bro. Saying Slash and Co can't write good music is FAR from a fact its a matter of opinion. Stop riding Axl's cock....

Once again. I would like to remind you that you are posting on a Gn'R fan board - a fan board that has clearly stated it's support for Axl and GN'R today....... some other 'fan' board may appreciate your comments more.......

"stop riding Axls' cock" is offensive to the people who support this site.  >:(

Is it actually helmet??

I have no idea, but that's what he keeps saying...

If it was actually Helmet that's opening, than chances of Ax showing up might be greater. Given that Helmet opened up for Axl's band during the 2006 U.S. dates. So there is a Helmet and Axl connection.

I don't think it is.. I think he just doesn't like the bands and call them Helmet. I remember he hated Helmet when he went to the GNR gigs last year. : ok:


Got this:
"Helmet on steroids done"

Sorry, guys... I'm off. It's 3 AM here and I have to wake up early tomorrow. :-\

it's ok. thanks, Mandy.
good fuckin' night. :hihi:

Don't worry folks... EFISH is here to save the day!  :hihi: I'll take over updates from garry.

Are you in the Pacific time zone??

A GNR board , If I am correct GNR did include these people at one point. People in this topic has suggested that AXL made guitar lines on piano , you give him way too much credit. How is that offensive to people who support the site?

Nah, eastern. But Ill stay up incase he texts me. Mandy told him to text me any updates since she was going to bed... so far haven't got anythangg.

Alright.........I live in the CST. So if you need to throw in the towel..........I volunteer my cell phone.

You posted saying "STOP BEING STUPID, I'LL NOT POST ANYMORE." yet you're the one who posted this:


Who's the one being stupid?? :P
His oppinion is just as relevent than yours, hell, even more credible to me, judging by that post of yours.
People don't show up at VR shows? Rightio, I know a lot of their shows have packed out venues. Sure they've had some poor attendences, but didn't GnR in '06 have a lot of poor turn outs? Is that because they 'suck' to you as well?
I really don't think Axl will show up, and I'm following the show and am excited by it. That may be because I realise GnR is/was a band, not 'Axl Rose and friends'.
Duff, Steven, Slash can't write good music? Again, who's the one being stupid?


Anyway, thanks for the updates guys. Would be a great party to be at regardless of the 'reunion' rumors.

Update from Garry: LA guns done! I was onstage with a bunch of others doing a singalong. I also did the air guitar thing with Traci Guns. Fuck yah! (duet mofo!)  :rofl:

haha, those retarded Slash fans think Slash created good music after he left Gn'R.
actually it's funny. VR's a really nice band, yeah.
actually I'll not waste my time talking about some stupid people.
I know, you probably are the same cunts posting @ mygnrforum and since you're browsting htgth to read news/updates, you're getting pissed.

FIRST, LISTEN, when Aerosmith came to Brazil with VR people were waiting for Aerosmith to show up. They did not care about VR. Oh, and I've seen reviews saying "openers made a good show" and nothing else. how important.
Highlights? A person screaming "Welcome to the jungle, baby", Mr. Brownstone and It's so easy.
I'll not say you retards are wrong, just see how much Libertard sold - 165.000 in 3 weeks, right? :rofl:
you people are laughable.
you know, people over mygnrforum are just waiting Axl Rose to show up. If he does not show up... "AHHH I stayed all night long awake for that".

What you people say is irrelevant. Libertard's sales is speaking for it all.
when Better leaked first time RS even said "it's better than anything VR's done" - and dont fucking tell me they said new leaks suck, because their blogger did - and the last RS issue "gave Chinese Democracy a compliment".

you people need to wake up. Slash was good, yes, but... his Keith Richard's text book copy solo (thanks, TSI? :rofl: ) is over now.


Don't take me wrong, I actually like Madison, Highvoltage, Matt11 and a few people over mygnrforum - but people there just bitch too much for my liking - remember, we're on a Gn'R board - either get on board or fuck off. ;)

So whos singing for Adler's Appetite now?

oh, and I said "I'll not post more, retards" it's because I would not post anymore, but since we're not getting much updates (thanks, EFISH, I really appreciate your work) 'cause we've got one updater only I did.
I said "I'll not post anymore, please keep the topic clean 'cause people want to read updates" and people kept posting shit.
yes, it's an stupid act - if you can't read and understand what I said, well, I feel sad for you.

Fine.? Can we kill all this back and forth stuff and just focus on show updates?
I know you didn't start this...I'm not trying to single you out.? Lets just focus on how cool a night this is ok?

EDIT: sorry I just saw your above post :)
Peace

alright. Sorry, I wanted to reply those guys only. Hope they don't come back before show's over, at least.

Now, Adler's appetite is on. Again, I'll not post for a while - I'll be here reading only.

Well, actually a person who whishes to embarce the spirit of this site would not see 2006 as having "a lot of poor turnouts".......went off in Warsaw!

Anyway, there is another thread going that shows Duff the Investor talking about the stock market on FOX Business news, if you are interested........

Axl's not there, then? Slash?



EDIT: cfcsfc CAN'T YOU fuckin' focus on the fuckin' topic for now?!?!?!?!?!?!? that's why people are retards. If you fuckin' UNDERSTAND why i'm saying this you'll realize of how stupid you are being.
I DID NOT FUCKIN' say you're stupid, I SAID YOU DID AN STUPID act. GOT IT or should I draw it somewhere and explain it with nice and lovely words, so you understand?

EDIT 2: yes, please, let's enjoy the show. After this I call you a cunt. :rofl:
JOKE. peace :peace:

Dude, you are a joke.
First off, what the hell does myGnR have to do with anything? Aren't we on HTGTH? Who gives a shit what people at another forum are doing?
People who went to an Aerosmith show didn't care about VR? Wow. That may because they're there to see Aerosmith you dipshit.
People don't concider Slash one of the greatest players of out generation for nothing, do they.
And what the hell does the recent GnR leaks have to do with anything at all? Isn't this the 'Ex-Gunners' section?
And what the hell does Libertads sales have to do with anything? Is the talent of a band measured by sales?
You're talking absolute shit mate. You're calling people 'cunts' and 'retards', which I don't appreciate, yet you're talking in circles about nothing relevent at all. Saying people are 'stupid' ( ::) how old are you?) and throwing insults around doesn't help your points (or lack there of) or credibility at all.

Whatever, I'm done arguing with some people in this tread- let's just enjoy the show.

Colby Veil (of Hollywood Roses), according to their website.

Are they playing the whole AFD?

C'mon. If Duff's there then Slash has gotta at least make an appearance.

Paradise City?

Thank You..Show Over.Goodnight?

Yeah, I believe the show's over now.

He sent after PC.... "Izzy's gone for good."

Ah well...C'est la vie...What can we do, right...?  Back to anxiously awaiting CD...Thanks for the updates, bud

No Slash? Bummer.

Oh well.

Nice he finished off with Axl's song  : ok:

So out of the ex-gunners there were Izzy, Duff and Steven.
Hmm, sort of let down. I knew Axl wasn't going to show up, but I'm pretty suprised Slash didn't ?:-\
Still, it's cool that Izzy and Duff were there. Out of interest, when was the last time Izzy and Duff played together?
Ah well, Steven did a good job of stiring up hype and doing some self promotion didn't he- look at all the interest in this gig, and how many 'Guests' were on line in here.
Would have been fun to attend none the less- thanks to the updaters!

Waiting for one last update saying the show is def. over

Thanx for the updates so far guys

You mean the Guns N Roses song?

How can that song (of all songs!) be possibly done without the firebreathing ghost of Axl breathing down your neck!

Who are you?!?  And what is your problem?

Quite pathetic isnt it?!!

Guys, please stop with the cyber fighting crap, and let's focus on the show. Please have some respect for the guys doing the updates, and those who'd like to read them without having to go through dozens of posts like "Axl sucks", "VR rules", "Axl didn't write anything in the band", "VR can't do a thing without Axl", etc.

Thanks.

thx for updates evryone :)

wish we had axl and slash there too :(

anyway, life goes on and we got guns n roses here to hope for an album,i'll keep on hoping and bet my money on axl to do one helluvan album.

chin dem starts now :)

2004.

Looks like common sense made sense once again.

Imagine that.

No mind reading necessary.


I hope the people who spent the money to go there had fun and don't feel cheated by Steven's comments.




/jarmo

Wow!  Slash didn't show??  WTF??  :confused:

So I guess since he knew Axl wasn't gonna show, he figured he'd show peoples that he's REAL GNR too and not show up neither?  :hihi:

The surprize is not that Slash and Axl weren't there.  Is to see how many people believed they would attend that "thing"

Some people (in that case, a guy named Steven) needs some people more than other (in that case Axl)

Axl doesn't need to be part in that.  He fills up arenas every where he goes with Guns N' Roses.  The CD is hopefully coming out soon, he has NO need whatsoever to go in the past just to make money.

Some people (in that case, a guy named Steven)needs more money than others (in that case Axl)

I really never thought for a second Axl was going to show up. I'm happy Izzy did, surprised Slash did not, and surprised Duff did with his family situation. Either way I bet it woulda been a fun show to go to.

Heard some rumors that Slash was in the house but didn't perform. 

I contacted the Key club in case they would be kind enough to answer if he was there or not.

I personnaly doubt that info, but every thing is possible

I doubt that to, but maybe Slash was there just incase Axl did show up so he didnt want to be a dick and ruin it...but likely not

Anyone tape this at all?

Instead of picking apart who didn't show and why, I just think it's cool that Duff, Steven, and Izzy were together again, if only briefly.  I have no personal interest in seeing a reunion of any kind, and God knows Steven seems to be a bit detached from reality more often than not, but it's great that so many people - including old friends and bandmates - came out to support him.   :beer:

i agree. i never want an old gnr reunion at all, but its definitely cool of duff , izz, and steven to jam together to celebrate the 20th year....i know people that went and they enjoyed it...

Well said, bazgnr!  I agree.  I'm sure it was a fun show to see, no matter what.  Thanks to everybody who gave updates!  (Sorry for my small outburst, there, at one point....) 

According to this...looks like Slash decided not to play.

Photos at this location: http://www.thegauntlet.com/article/172/9551/Guns-N-Roses.html

Thanks for posting this funkeymonkey...I enjoyed seeing the pics.  Hope all that attended had an awesome time!

yup awesomely cool  :beer:

Show as actually okay - even though it was basically a cover band.  The lead singer has the best voice of any impersonator I have heard to date and it was cool seeing duff and izzy as well as Steven. 

Ironically one of the opening acts was really cool (I felt LA Guns sucked), but a band called Auburn Court (all girl band) was actually really really good.  What's wild is that they had a HUGE fan base at the club; as in when they went off stage half the place cleared out until around Midnight when Adler came on.  They actually had as big or bigger crowd than LA Guns.  LOL.  Anyhow, I don't know any of the girls, but they kicked ass so props to them. 

The one thing I must admit that I walked away knwong 100% certain is that AXL ROSE IS GUNS N ROSES.  I know it's a constant arguement on this board, but I got to thinking while I was at the show last night - even if Slash shows up right, with that overweight Axl impersonator singing, it's just a cover band playing songs.  I know that sounds harsh and it isn't completely accurate in that 4 out of 5 bandmembers would be cool, but without Axl, there is no Guns N Roses and Axl with 7 other band memebers is more Guns N Roses than 4/5's of a cover band; like it or not.  Take note Scott Weiland.  The sales for Libertad show it.  You're simply an Axl impersoantor trying to create new material with 3/5 of Guns N Roses - like it or not. Oh, and the lead singer of Adler's appetite is defintiely better than Weiland in my opinioon as well; not that it matters.  Closest I have heard to Axl in a long long time (if that is what he was going for).

One thing was very very crystal clear - this was an Adler's show with special guests, not an AFD anniversary party! It was never about the anniversary.
Yes, he was selling AFD 20 anniversary commemrative shirts but that was just using the situation to make extra cash.
It seemed to me he had manipulated his old band members to think this was really going to be an anniversary party and to show up, only for them to later realize this was all Adler's gig (where Adler was the center of attention and star).
That is why Slash never showed up on stage. I saw evidence he was in the club before Adler's show started. But to be honest, I wouldn't be surprized if had left long before the show ended.
That is why Duff looked so unhappy and sort of dragged on stage.

Slash was there and was supposed to play Jungle - (I was backstage with all of them), don't know why he didn't.

Also there was his Slash's mom and Gilby and Danielle Clarke.

What was kind of interesting, there was this dude that works with GNR but is good friends with all 4 of the ex gunners - he was actually telling Danielle how successful the tour in Japan was and that they'd just come back last sunday I believe, and all sorts of cool stuff.  He really seemed to get along with everyone there.  Didn't catch his name or met him though, just overheard as I was standing against a wall checking my email.

Here's a couple of pictures:
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m121/czerpa/IMG_3203.jpg)
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m121/czerpa/IMG_3209.jpg)
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m121/czerpa/IMG_3200.jpg)
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m121/czerpa/IMG_3210.jpg)

Great pics...thanks.  Gilby was there, too, huh?

thanks for the great pics man!  They all look great.  I saw another pic of Izzy's shirt - it's funny  ;D

if ! there would be a reunion-show..i?m pretty sure that it would be like that, divided into 2 sets..one illusion - one appetite

I have some pics from the show posted here:

My Flickr Concert Set (http://www.flickr.com/photos/brianromero/sets/72157594389127019/)

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1165/943111676_1bc35acfbc.jpg)

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1422/943117160_79f2fbd533.jpg)

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1215/942275777_456dacb228.jpg)

I didn't know you where Duff's concise hahaha.

ehhh I'm not sure I completely buy that.  Yeah Adler was milking this as much as he could...I don't really blame him. 
A) It gets more people to his Gig
B) It (in his eyes possibly) gets him closer to a GNR Reunion which is really (career-wise) the only thing he's living for.

But to imply that this was some master plan where Adler gets everyone together and he's the star is inaccurate in my mind.  As soon as any Ex Gunner walks onstage at an Adler's Appetite gig, Steven is all of a sudden not the star and Steven knows it.  Sure it draws more attention to his gig but the attention does go off of him at that very moment.  So sure Steven's trying to get a reunion going thats no surprise...I'm sure he'd even tell you that but this was not some plan for him to be the star.

Great pics!!!!!  I love that Gilby was there too.  : ok:

Sounds like the gig was great, nice pics!

I wonder why Slash didn't take the stage, yet he was there?    He's always one to thrive on being in the spotlight and doesn't typically miss a media opportunity.

He's said that he doesn't feel comfortable doing Guns N' Roses songs anymore. (Althrough that was about Velvet Revolver)

That's probably why he choosed not to - but I'm just guessing.

Yeah an Addlers Appetite show is a huge media opportunity you're right. And Slash is such a whore I can't believe he passed up a chance to be mentioned on blabbermouth, here, 2 other GnR sites, and nowhere else in the world. Does it smell bad when you have your head so far up your ass?

That is true he said that after the SA tour he wanted to get away from GNR / STP covers , I remember something being said about its like toilet paper on a shoe. I guess he did the right thing he showed up to remember and appreciate the past but decided to keep it in the past , which is cool. But seeing Duff and Izzy on stage is amazing , I know VR has done shows with Izzy but Duff hasn't played with steven since when? The farm aid gig?!?! Which makes me ponder I wonder if Axl ever asks Izzy about Duff and Co , or vice versa lol izzy is a middle man.

thnks so much!!!! :love:

amazing pics, very nostalgic, even Slash's mon, ahhh, thank so much again x share those pics!

 :smoking:

(http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n17/GarryCarlson/101_1044.jpg)

But VR still does GNR songs so that can't be the reason slash didnt do any with Steven.

Colby Veil

Don't get me wrong - I loved it that Duff and Izzy agreed to play on a few songs. At least those songs didn't sound too bad. However, this is still a cover band in which none of the musicians is a professional (not even Steven any more) and they imitate something or somebody else and try to make a living out of it. I don't want to appear too harsh but people should not be making a living out of imitating something else and have no creative abilities of their own whatsoever. They should only do that for free and for fun.
That said, I could understand the awkwardness of the situation in Duff and Slash's eyes and not wanting to play with a bunch of wannabies who couldn't even hold all the notes of the songs. I mean it is just sad. These guys do not deserve to find themselves on stage with some amateurs who ruin the art that they (Slash and Duff and Izzy) helped create more than 20 years ago.

Yes, Duff was dragged on stage to perform Brownstone - it was pretty obvious from my vantage point. And as the song progressed he appeared to regret even more that he was up there with these guys.

are you a shrink or something? cause you always seem to know everyones thoughts....if so read my thoughts its a two letter word and they begin with F & O  :P

Isn't that what the new guns n roses has been doing? Imitating something or somebody else and making a living out of it?

 "I don't want to appear too harsh but people should not be making a living out of imitating something else and have no creative abilities of their own whatsoever"

......dude thats basically what is happening in guns n roses right now.

nobody is imitading anyone.  does Tommy put on a long blonde haired wig and does bumblefoot or Robin put on a tophat?   What can we say about that loser who was trying to be Axl last night?   

The guys in the band now, they joined Guns N' Roses as members of Guns N' Roses and they aren't imitating anyone.    And how easily you forget they've played several new songs, many of which they did have a hand in creating. 


There is a huge HUGE difference between members of GnR - all of which are insanely creative and talented..  and the group of washups that is basically every guy in Adler's Appetite.

Former GUNS N' ROSES drummer Steven Adler's MySpace page (free registration required) has been updated with 27 photos from ADLER'S APPETITE's July 28, 2007 concert at the Key Club in West Hollywood, California where Adler was joined by ex-GUNS N' ROSES members Izzy Stradlin (guitar) and Duff McKagan (bass) for a couple of "Appetite for Destruction" numbers. Although Slash did make it to the venue earlier in the night, he was reportedly forced to leave before he could go up on stage and jam with the other guys. As expected, GUNS N' ROSES' lead singer Axl Rose was a no-show at the event , which was meant to celebrate the 20th anniversary of GN'R's classic debut.

Blabbermouth.net

http://www.myspace.com/stevenadlersite

Let's get real here... The current G N' R is totally drawing people to their live shows from material created by the previous G N' R incarnations. Most people have not heard any of the new songs. People are going because they want to hear Welcome to the Jungle, Paradise City and Sweet Child O Mine. The same reason people went to Adler's Appetite show last night. If Axl ever releases a new album we'll see how the public responds to that material. As it stands people are paying to see the Axl Rose karaoke sideshow.

 :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: Jarmo and others get so mad when we say that but its the truth. No one goes to see GNR to hear Better , IRS , or Madagascar , they go for the classic hits....

Damn, Jarmo, you're harsh. With Izzy, Duff, and Steven sharing the same stage for the first time in 17 years NOBODY felt cheated!
If I recall, this site predates Nu-GNR. You designed it to HONOR it's EARLIER incarnations. You were a fan. You're so rude to the original members these days.
I kind of understand, it's awesome that Axl embraced the site - and you cater to his agenda.
Have you met him yet? That would be awesome.

ain't nothing karaoke about it.  you obviously haven't seen them and you obviously have no fucking business here.

Why do you attack? People go for the old songs , are you denying that? To them the people on stage are as he said "karaoke sideshow"

Next time you post, please be mindful that if you wish to refer to the current band, most people here don't use the term Nu-GNR.

I'm not denying that many go to the shows hoping to hear the classic GnR songs we all love.

But don't come here and call the band this site is dedicated to a 'karaoke act'.. and plan on getting harsh responses when you.  you are on a GnR fan board.   I'm sick of you fucking people who aren't even fans of the band, coming here every day and talking shit about the band we love.

its not politics, its about respect.   we don't come here to see you people trash this band day after day.

Look, I actually like the Axl's new stuff... at least what's leaked so far. It doesn't sound very G N' R to me, but that's besides the point. People like to put down Steven for his band riding on the success of the original G N' R when Axl is doing the same exact thing! Until Axl releases new material people are going mostly for a rock n' roll trip down memory lane.

I am a GNR fan , mostly of the era with slash though! And to the poster above  :beer:

yep

The people who support this site don't share the same view as you - ie: that Axl is riding on the success of the original GN'R just like Steven is. Take it elsewhere......

Sure Axl's previous success has a lot to do with it - he OWNS that success, every single bit of it.

Very cool pics. Nice to see that almost everyone was there.

He may legally own the name, but the success was built by 5 band members not 1. We'll see if Chinese Democracy can sell close to the number of albums AFD and UYI did.

Seriously, Darkburst. You don't want to get into an argument with stolat or Jim Bob. It's a fucking waste of time.

Wow yeah that does sound a little harsh...
I wasn't there nor have I ever seen AA live so maybe you're right. ?Are they really horrible live? I would assume that Adler would get capable musicians to play the Appetite stuff...
As far as them being hired to play other people's stuff someone did point out that that is basically what New GNR is doing too right? ?Sure they do play some new stuff but didn't AA release an EP of a couple new songs too? ?Did they play any of those or just Guns stuff?
As far as Duff being dragged up there...you were there and I wasn't but the few pics I've seen show him with a bass that looks like one of the ones he usually plays...are you sure he was dragged up there? ?It looks to me like he brought a bass with him planning to play last night...unless AA's bass player has an identical bass...
Could be...

"You people"? Nice.
Look, I respect your opinions! I'm a passionate GNR fan like you! I understand that most of you are probably of a younger age, so it makes sense that you would attach yourselves to the Guns N' Roses that's out there now. I've been a fan for 20 years, so it's hard for me to accept this band as GNR. Is that okay? LOL. My opinion is, there's a reason GNR was the biggest band in the world between 89-92. Everything worked. It was magic. The lineup of today is magic for you. Cool! Can we be friends?

Axl's previous success has EVERYTHING to do with it , people go for the old songs , the hear the afd songs and the uyi songs , just because he owns the name doesn't mean he owns the success without Slash's classic scom intro or pc outro , without izzy's writing and original rhythm guitar , without duff's unique bass style and yes even without adler's simplistic but effective drums axl would not have the success he has today. And the same goes for the rest of the band.

I was 14 when AFD came out - SNAP - "most of you are of younger age" ?::) Give me a break ?::)

Cool, did you love the music they made together then?

That's why I'm here man.

Because you loved the music

Axl  , Slash  , Izzy , Duff and Steven Adler produced correct?

Sorry, I'm not getting into your argument. I've stated my view, position and opinion already. Enjoy the read!

"Adler recently told GuitarWorld.com, "I'll be down there with my band and Slash, Izzy and Duff will be there too. It's gonna be great."

Steven actually held true to his word in a way and was not lying. He said in his press release Slash/Duff/Izzy would be there as well as his band. They were all there(even Gilby), and Adler's Appetite played. I don't recall him mentioning anything about them all actually playing together, just that they would be there.

Obviously the logical conclusion was to make the jump that he was inferring they would play since they would be there, but if being a GNR fan has taught us nothing else over the years it is that we should infer nothing and take it for exactly as it is said.

Steven followed through exactly as he said. This is no different than when people got upset over the whole March 6th tenative date thing and made the logical jump of a release instead of reading it and accepting it for what it is. Some people will be upset that they didn't all play together, but that is not what Steven promised in the press release.

I've been a fan for about 15, and all I can say is that you might as well learn to accept it because it is the reality of the situation and nothing is going to change that.

Well spotted Christos!  :beer:

Anyway, just in case people care, these are the real pictures... People could find them 2 pages back.

Photoshopped pics are not exactly appreciated here... Not that this particular is your fault...

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m121/czerpa/IMG_3203.jpg)

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m121/czerpa/IMG_3209.jpg)

Yeah, I'll work on that.
Maybe the 'ex-gunners' forum isn't for you... 

i think it is.  I follow what most of the ex-gunners are doing and am a huge Izzy fan.

Cool, so let people like what they like.

On this site, the ex-gunners section is here so that people who have a certain view about GN'R history (and how it impacts on the band today) can discuss it from this perspective........without it having to be an argument all the time!

Oh, it should only be discussed from your perceived 'certain view' and 'perspective'. Kind of like Communism.
I'm sorry, I know there's over-zealous parties on both sides of the argument. 
I politely withdrawl.

No, I'm saying people come here to discuss certain shared views and share them with others in peace. Kind of like Utopia.

Other people come here to enforce their view onto people who do not share the same perspective. Kind of like a dictatorship.

And whose view of communism are you talking about?
Marx, Ho Chi Mhin, Stalin?

random observation: does anyone else think there may be some problems between Slash and Duff?   Duff said in the Rolling Stone article that they weren't talking for a while and you dont see them together in any of these pics.   

Hmm, didn't think about it untill you mentioned it.
I don't think so to be honest. There are a lot of times where people post how they met Slash and Duff together in a city before a show, hanging out together. The way I see it the two of them seem to be good mates. They've been through a lot together, and would know each other really well. As what happens with people you are around for a long time, you can have fallings out, or simply just need some space from each other for a while, but you're still friends and still end up hanging out again. That's the way I can see those guys.

yea i prolly wouldn't have noticed if not for what Duff said in that article recently.   I always figured they were the closest out of the ex-gunners, since they kinda stuck together, but who knows.
 

Make up your mind.

You people also get upset whining about the setlist and I always say they play what people love to hear.

Pick one and stick with it.





Rude?

You don't think talking about making lots of money by reuniting and getting some fans' hopes up is rude?

Did you have to answer e-mails from people asking if it's true the band was gonna reunite in L.A. this past weekend?

Did you have to answer the same kind of e-mails last time Steven talked about how he met Axl in Las Vegas?



Axl did a nice thing to Steven and look at how it was used against him.




/jarmo

I don't get the point. You are against the old members because you have to answer people what was about the Adler show ?

Obviously you don't get it since I'm not against anybody..

I'm only against the bullshit that came with Steven's comments and I don't want any part in fooling people into going to a show thinking Axl was going to be there.

Even Slash didn't play. No matter how you twist it, most people assumed that he'd play since Steven said Slash was gonna be there.

Or maybe you people buy tickets to concerts to see somebody hang out backstage but not appear on stage. In that case, I apologize.





/jarmo

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2007/07/30/three-ex-members-of-guns-n-roses-reunite-at-hollywood-show/

Saturday?s highly anticipated Guns N? Roses semi-reunion at Hollywood?s Key Club went nearly as planned. As expected, Axl Rose was a no-show, but former GN?R guitarist Izzy Stradlin and bassist Duff McKagan joined ex-drummer Steven Adler?s new band, Adler?s Appetite, for ?Mr. Brownstone? and ?Paradise City.? The performance, which celebrated the twentieth anniversary of Appetite for Destruction, is said to be the first time the trio played onstage together since Adler?s 1990 departure from the band. Slash was, in fact, present for the evening?s festivities, but ?something reportedly came up? that caused him to leave before the reunion jam (he was rumored to be closing the night with ?Welcome to the Jungle?). No footage has hit YouTube so far, but photos of the show are already up on Adler?s MySpace, and for more on the creation of Appetite for Destruction, check out the current issue of Rolling Stone.

-- Erica Futterman

Well, that explains the Rolling Stone cover then!

According to my AFD booklet, it was written and composed by W. Axl Rose, Slash, Izzy Stradlin', Duff McKagen and Steven Adler. It's well known the riff was something Slash had for a long time and the band wrote the lyrics together while on tour along the west coast. Stop posting crap without a source.

Oh, in my opinion Paradise City has a lot of the spirit of Axl in it, hence my comment about it being "Axl's Song". You know, it's abit like Frank and My Way. Now who wrote My Way?

For God's sake...

They all wrote Paradise City!

In this case I am not really bringing who wrote the song into it........

I am talking about the song's "spirit".

Too poetic for ya?

Yeah...

My point is that you fight over such stupid things - I don't care about no spirit.

They wrote it together and that's why they decided to play it.

(And if you really want to know who wrote it and brought the "spirit" into it, it was Duff McKagan... Check some old interviews)

There, happy? I seriously couldn't care less about this show. I just think it's cool that people had a good time and that they enjoyed themselves.

No harm done.

Can you articulate your ideas more rather than call something you don't understand stupid.

Or more likely, he changed his mind after hearing the band play a few songs, as did Slash. Weren't those backstage pictures earlier from after the show? I don't buy that he had to leave early.

And my point is, if I'm bothering to discuss a point here, then it most certainly isn't a stuipid thing!

Not insulted, merely irked.........

That depends on how you see things.

(I misunderstood your previous post, I'm sorry about that)

Steven said a few days a ago (the same myspace post where he said he would get a roadie to ask Axl to come :hihi:) that Slash was hanging round with Duff in LA.

What about Duff?

Well, he's workin' with Slash, and he's in town? nothings confirmed. I hope he'll be there.

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=169850044&blogID=290839584

"The Classic Metal Show" conducted an interview with ex-ADLER'S APPETITE vocalist Sheldon Tarsha Saturday night (July 28) just prior to his show at the Roxy; playing head-to-head against Steven Adler's show the same night where GUNS N' ROSES members Duff McKagan and Izzy Stradlin popped up on stage to peform with ADLER'S APPETITE. A couple of excerpts from the chat follow:

On why Slash, Izzy and Duff would help Steven Adler out:

"The greatest thing going on right now in the Adler camp is that he's playing the sympathy card with Slash and Izzy; getting these guys to come down and pop up on stage with him. It just gives Steven more ammunition to use that fame card to manipulate people and get people to do his bidding and do what he wants them to do. They feel like there's this chance that GUNS N' ROSES could reunite, 'and I want to be in Steven.' I don't know those guys (Izzy, Slash, Duff) personally, but I know people that know them very well. Knowing Steven for so long, I kind of get the gist of it. Those guys ? they kind of feel sorry for Steven. He got himself kicked out of GUNS N' ROSES because he has his own attitude problem, and obviously substance abuse issues. You know, they just kind of feel sorry for him. Those guys have had really cool lives. Slash ? look at him. He's an American icon. He kind of feels bad for his bro that he went to junior high school with. They started the dream together, and now Steven is just scraping the bottom of the barrel. Slash is riding high with his brand new band and doing all this big time stuff. He just wants to kind of dish out some charity for him."

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=77796

I'm sure its a lot of it has to do with pity. In fact I think the reason slash DIDN'T play was because he didn't want to do it for pity or sorrow.

Funny how you're jumping on people for posting while you're busy assuming shit yourself.





/jarmo

I said I think , as in IMO as in why are you on my case?

Your hypocrisy is amusing to me.

On one hand you attack others for posting their thoughts and assumptions while doing the exact same thing yourself.

Leatherebel went to the show and reported what he saw.

You attacked me for saying Axl wasn't gonna be there.


Now you're assuming you know why Slash didn't play with no evidence to back up your assumptions.  :hihi:




/jarmo

Nice, Garry! : ok:

Well, as I recall it, Duff was talking about the days after the Contraband tour, not nowadays... So you?re kinda building a non-story... ::)


 lol remember what I said three days ago about threads turning into battlefields cos of the same discussions? I?m really not surprised with this reactions post-show... I think expecting people being happy with this was kinda having too much high hopes. but no, here we are again, going on with the Old vs New story which has been told about 100000 times on this board.  ::)

guys: Steven, Slash, Duff and Izzy met up again, after so many years in a 20th anniversary party of appetitte for destruction which I assume, most or all people here on the board may love... Why can?t we focus just on this? Why can?t we be happy for once? They were all there, like the old days... thats fucking awesome! We all knew that Axl wouldn?t show up... that would be a fucking miracle, but man, having those 4 guys together again, even for just a couple of hours is just fucking great! :peace:

Izzy looks younger n hotter than ever!, thanks him for be there too :love:
yes, it could be, but in other one I saw the four of them talkin'

Why didnt Tracii Guns jam with them at all, he too put alot of work into that album

Tracii?? Maybe on Anything Goes , and thats it haahah even at that I doubt.

Could this be the first time that Izzy and Gilby have been in the same room together?
It'd be cool to hear them jam together on something...some Stones or something

They've met before.

They were actually friends long before Gilby took over for Izzy during the UYI tour.

Gilby and Izzy shared stage in Milton Keynes 1993 when GNR played there. Ronnie Wood was there too  :peace:

Looks like he is going to keep talking about this....

STEVEN ADLER Holding Out Hope For GUNS N' ROSES Reunion - July 31, 2007

Gary Graff of Billboard.com reports: With the big "Appetite For Destruction" 20th anniversary show behind him, original GUNS N' ROSES drummer Steven Adler is looking forward to taking his ADLER'S APPETITE band worldwide. But he's also holding out hope for a blowout reunion bash with his former bandmates.

"I believe I made it this far for some reason," Adler tells Billboard.com. "I want to finish what we started, and ... with the love and support I got from those guys, I think we can (reunite). I'm gonna leave it up to Axl [Rose]. That's gonna be Axl's call, and I love Axl and I know he'll make the right call."

At Saturday's (July 28) show at West Hollywood's Key Club, Adler and company were joined by Gunners Izzy Stradlin and Duff McKagan, while guitarist Slash watched a few songs before leaving for a prior commitment.

Read more at Billboard.com.

"I'm gonna leave it up to Axl [Rose]. That's gonna be Axl's call, and I love Axl and I know he'll make the right call"

he's talking like the other guys already have agreed to re-unite

there he goes again.  now when Axl doesn't go back to his former bandmates and sticks with GnR, people are going to refer to this quote and curse Axl for it.

Given the source...I would like to think not.

I hope no one curses Axl for doing what he wants. Would I love a classic G N' R reunion? Sure. Obviously Axl has moved on just like Slash, Duff and Izzy. I just wish he'd release Chinese Democracy already.

yea i think thats what we all want.    :hihi:

Anybody know the setlist?

i think the setlist is posted between pages 7-11

Regardless of what anyone says, I think it was great to have 4 of the gunners together again. Even if only 3 of them shared the stage together.  I'm glad to see Gilby made it out as well.  :beer:

Imagine how great it'll be once that 5th gunner finally feels as though the time is right.

I'm hoping for 08' but thinking more realistically it'll be 09'. It doesn't matter. It will be worth the wait.

I don't know if you guys saw these pics: http://www.gnrfrance.net/groupe/galerie.php?path=/concerts/2007/0728_keyclub_afd&page=3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KG72wg0BJE&mode=related&search=

that is a vid of something from there :hihi: there are some more, dunno if there are any clip of performin but check out the related videos and maybe you'll find : ok:

thanks so much :love:

So is Izzy still a maybe? :rofl:

Possibly

Looks like there is more... :nervous:

Adler's Appetite and BangTango will celebrate the 20th anniversary of Guns N' Roses' "Appetite for Destruction" with a performance at the Galaxy Theatre in Santa Ana on Oct. 12. Tickets are $15.

so fucking lame

Unexpected?

Don't think so.

This reminds me of the time Lucy tricked Ricky into getting her gifts when it wasn't really their anniversary....

if he had a good band it would be ok.  but the singer and the guitar players are a complete joke.

It's not about the band or whatever members he has at anytime.

It's about the way he's using them or trying to milk the AFD fame.

The first band with the EP, could have been something good.

But instead he fucked it up.

Now he asked members of the second line up to join the band again.

Who in their right mind would honestly join Steven's band after leaving them in Europe with no money.

Steven was REALLY lucky Tarsha rejected him kindly...

well yes, considering he hasn't been in GnR for 17 years it would be nice for him to try to form him own identity other than 'the guy who played drums on appetite'.   everyone else whose been involved with Guns N Roses over the years has proven they can move on and do other things.  Steven is a one hit wonder.

I think everyone here is going to get a kick out of this one!!!

From guitar world Nov 07

" Adler pauses to talk to guitar world about - what else?- his former band. He predicts that he,slash,duff,and izzy will be onstage together in the very near future and opines that a FULL scale Guns N' Roses reunion tour would "triple" whatever the rolling stones bring in.
But Would Axl Do it?
" It;d be ridiculous not to" Says Adler " It's just too big. He can't be that goofy"

i think people are startin to realize this guy is desperate for a reunion and can see thru his shit. 

Yeah I agree. And the fact that he isn't even creative enough to think of a band name other than something that sounds like a local gnr cover band, let alone write a decent song, really goes to show how on the money Axl was when he said Steven never wrote a thing.

I spent a few days with the band in Greece when they were still debating on which name to use, Adler's Appetite or Suki Jones.

If they had chosen Suki Jones, things would be different today...

But Steven and their management insisted on AA.

I remember Brent Muscat didn't like the idea a lot...

To call steven a one hit wonder, is wrong, it should at least be 3 hit wonder ( AFD,LIES,GH )  :hihi:

No but..I don?t understand why he says thoose things..Reunion..It?s really not good for his reputation, we all know it ain?t gonna be a reunion..And if..It?s a big chance, he won?t be involved

But still i don?t understand why ppl have to fucking throw dirt at him for having a serious illness, i guess alot of you don?t know how that feels like, but due to his condition..He makes stupid things like leave his band stranded an such. And that?s not ok.

I like Adler..He?s cool..And i know that most of GNR?s-fans prefers him, instead of Sorum.

I know I do. His drumming was cool and he had a great sense of groove. Sorum is just a stupid rythm machine.

I dont like Sorum either.  I do like Adler more, but I'd rather Frank stay in the band, or Brain.