Here Today... Gone To Hell!

The Blues - Acoustic guitar really audible now - Fortus solo starts when Dizzy's still playing, before Axl start singing again. Sounds really good - Fortus solo is awesome. Is the song faster now?

Better - Ron said he recorded rhythm parts for some new songs 'cause it wasn't sounding like Gn'R. He borrowed an old Gibson Les Paul (if i'm not wrong) from the talking metal guys and recorded it, and I think his rhythm parts are being played live. Thoughts?
That guitar effect during Pitman's noise is awesome, haha. I really like it - and it's probably a change by Ron Thal. The guitar following the "na na na na" sounds amazing... it really sticks in my head. I really like these changes. Jarmo, can you confirm if it's really Ron Thal playing those new guitar lines (during Pitman's noice and the guitar following the na na na)?

Chinese Democracy - I noticed that there's a different effect (Pitman?) while Axl sings the "it don't really matter" part, and it sounds damn good. "Frank Ferrer has it", his drumming is awesome. Oh, and Ron's solo changed a bit, too (nothing much, the first seconds of the solo are the same) and I really like it even more.

Madagascar - Axl's singing is different here, and Fortus playing is awesome towards the end and his guitar work sounds deeper here, I dunno how to explain, but it's a really good thing.

I.R.S. - Ron's solo is different, and rhythm is different here. Sounds really better now. VoodooChild will explain it here.

^
Well, let me try to explain...

Last year, the first verse after the intro was played by Richard with the regular chords progression. Now, BBF plays (it starts at the intro already) a new rhythm guitar, more crunch.

The solo is kinda like the end of last year's shows, with Frank doing a drum fill before the ending and Ron following it. It's awesome and gives the song the power missed from the first '99 demo.

Also, Robin plays the '99 riff at the very ending, along with Ron extended solo... Sounds really awesome, IMHO.

I think they had some new crew members on the 2007 tour so that's why the mix sounds different on the bootlegs and at the shows.




/jarmo

Noticed a different sound mix. That's good specially for Ron, because he's more audible now (tho still needs more volume on Chinese Democracy, like the Gibson Amphitheater last year).

new Frank Ferrer's drum kit helped to improve many songs, like ISE intro and NR final part (in many 2007 boots u can hear it, not like 2006 bootlegs where u can barely hear that ISE drum intro), also now u can hear Finck's backing voices in many songs (like Brownstone and Better)

Sorry to drag this one off-topic, but...

I haven't actually been listening to that much 2007 live material, so which one is the best sounding bootleg out there?

Either way, thanks for posting - I feel excited!

axl sings some new lyrics at the very end of the blues... anyone knows what words he sings?

by the way: although axl leaves them out... i always hear the additional na na na's from the demo in my head... kinda miss them... on the other hand... the drum fill-in before the last part of the song is still there (that is missing in the demo); also, they come back to the more quiet part sooner (one beat sooner i guess; the same thing as on the demo) after the hook that follows the "that's called the blues" line... they didn't do that in 2002.

2 questions: is cd a bit faster, and has fortus a new "woooaaaaa!"-effect (not wah-wah) on his solo-guitar (from second verse on; especially during the solo part you can hear it; something's there that doubles the strings...or has this always been there? is it maybe pitman)?

ok, some edit: i think the time is pretty much the same.

so just one queston left ;)

Did you notice Pitmans little solo during better (The Masterbating Robot) was a bit longer now then it was last year?


 :peace:

I don't think anyone timed it..

the mix 2007 sounds different on the bootlegs of the shows... 2001-2002-2006

This Year... many, many SURPRISES !!

 :beer:

HBK *

Just my 2 cents, but I have a probelm with a thread like this. You are discussing specifics about unrelased material. Who knows, the specifics you are discussing might not even exist when the final mixing is done. I know you can hear these songs from concerts on You Tube. I know Internet laws are all over the place........

Any cluey muso can hear what is on You Tube and read these type of discussions and even steal ideas......

I look forward to discussing these new songs when they have been offically released, in the meantime I consider these songs to be unfinished.

LOL!!!




(ok, I know there is a rule about making a post consisting purely of a smiley face, that's not my intent here (and there is no smiley), this is one of those replies where less is sometimes (and obviously, in this case) more.)

Aren't you clever, laughing at someone's opinion. Obviously, you can't contribute in any other way.

Yes, I am clever.

I may have been laughing at your opinion or with your opinion.  To be totally honest I wasn't 100% sure how serious you were.   No personal offence was intended.  :)

The topic of the thread is about how the songs have changed.  Ergo - they're very likely not the finished product.   Then you say that you don't want to discuss it BECAUSE they're unfinished.  Of course they are, we're lucky enough to be able to hear some of the development of the songs as they mature, both live and in the studio. 

I guess we COULD just talk about AFD again.   Or speculate wildly on release dates.   I do think it's a bit ironic that it's suggested that we limit conversation topics when the list is pretty short already. 

Yes, and I'm adding the conversation some points about the Internet and how it can imapct upon such unreleased material.

Thankyou for elaborating on your previous post.

They're talking about songs played in concert... Would you have a different opinion, if no leaks existed??

And unless you dont listen to any of the new songs, you're a hypocrite for saying these things.. Live or studio!

No I don't listen to the new songs. I heard them for the first time at the concert. I'm waiting for the final versions on the CD before I talk about the musical elements.

Well then you're no hypocrite  : ok:

While you do wait, i'll listen to the kick ass music!!

I think i am the only to mention this but in the melb australia show the what i call bubbly noise in the break during Better was different..it sounded like a motorbike driving past..Much BETTER i think... : ok:

Harley Davidson ?  :hihi:

Isn't the "new" effect in Chinese Democracy the xylophone that's on the demo?

I love I.R.S. - the extended solo by Bumblefoot is great.

Better sounds pretty much the same, with a different vocal setup in the intro.

The Blues has more noticable acoustic guitars - with Richards solo at the end.

Madagascar got more crunch, and definitely more backing-vocals.

Just compared to 2002, the original 3 (The Blues, CD, and Maddy) have evolved so much that its insane.  IMO, in 2001/02 CD was always the weakest song (albeit still amazing) but since the changes and additions its def not a weak song anymore....still not on the level of Blues/Maddy but its alot closer now.

I loved IRS and better the best. I thought they were kickass songs but these were phenomenal at the shows. IRS had some groovy bass beats live that add ultramodern touches to the song.

I am so ready for the studio version of The Blues.

i thought i was pretty ready for this thread... especially now that the tour is over... but people don't seem to be too interested, it seems...

The live version of Better has a much better and heavier-sounding chorus than the studio demo, plus indeed there is a new guitar "slide-bomb" effect during the short Pitman FX which sounds very cool. If they have captured this in the final version I'll be very pleased. Bumble has made very welcome contributions in my opinion :)

dont know sounds good to me  ::)

First.. I just got IRS from osaka 21 july.. and i heard some piano thingie in there.. wich is fucking great since i love piano in hard rock songs (now they should just add some harmonica.. seriously!)


second.. this aint really new for 2007 but it's different from the studio leak.. in the leak of CD axl sings "as if your ass were your head you could tell" but on the osaka bootleg and from 20 december 06 you can clearly hear that he sings "while their arms reach out for your help" (on the 20 dec 06 DVD he reaches his arm out to the crowd while he sings it)

Axl now sings a line at the end of "The Blues"... does anyone know what it is?

^ I dunno, but I noticed there's now a backing vocal at the end of the song. Maybe Ron? :)

yeah, i have already asked this question; glad someone else picks it up... but where's the answer?

The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind...


Also in Madagascar, the background vocals at the end are higher up in the mix nowadays.




/jarmo

yeah i remember the original thread about the line at the end of the blues. think its "the thought of you", or something to that effect.

Ah, the formula has nearly been cracked!!!


I'm talking about PHI (5ths) again..........I went on about it in another thread......harmony, chord combinations etc.

Just had a rather funny thought:

It would be brilliant if the key signatures to all the released material was changed. That would really piss off the people who think they have all the music down pat/written note for note..........

Simply by changing the key signature the whole sound, mood and feel of the song will change.

Hide the key in the music  - make it harder to detect. Accidentals...........

Hell, I put Watermelon Man into a minor key and changed the rhythm and it end up sounding like a Yugoslavian funeral march.

that wouldn't be brilliant, damn i'm glad axl don't think the same way as you :hihi:

I think he'd be very inspired!

from osaka i also love the guitar "slide" or something that leads down to the breakdown in better, hope it's on the record :yes:

I think its "is lost on you."

Is there a doctor Brain May in the house?

I need to ask him about subliminal keys in music.

I know that classical composers were very good at suggesting keys.......

I think its "was inside of you".

But english is not 1st language, so...

Ya know, you could be right.

You could be right.

My ears tell me it definately ends with "you" though ;)

It's got to be "The thought of you" at the end of The Blues...

This sounds even more accurate.

Well done CSS :)

also on the blues, Ron plays some acoustic parts (during the piano intro) that he didn't play in 2006 if my memory serves me corretcly

He did play it in 2006, but it was too low on the mix.

I guess I've been living under a rock.  Didn't know a studio version had already leaked.

It is fabulous.

can you tell me where abouts in the song you hear this?
for eg 3:22  etc..

I havent picked it up yet,
So knowing when it starts could help me (and others) cheers :beer:

At the very end of the song...

I think that was the 2006 version (till the UK tour, at least). Then, Axl stopped singing this ending, but it came back kinda different in 2007, with the "was inside of you" (I guess) now.

Try to listen to the song from RAR and from any 2007 bootleg version and you'll find the difference.

it can also be "what's inside of you?" and yeah it's different from rock am ring where i've always thought he sang "my love for you"

Can be "what's" instead of was indeed. :)

I agree with you, Voodoochild.

It's definitely "was inside of you" - at least when listening to the bootlegs from Japan.

Thanks. I guess the Nagoya boot has it pretty clear for "was inside of you". :)