Here Today... Gone To Hell!

The big question now is ........... WHATS NEXT ?

Logical answer --------------- Release the album.

But when is something ever logical in the GNR world.

My gut feeling is there will be a little break, then maybe some US dates  ???

That's what mysteron said and that's what i choose to believe

Well thats good news then.  I must have missed that when he said it.

Let's hope so.  I would imagine there'll be some sort of message posted on their official website saying SOMETHING.  Acknowledging the end of the tour at least, MAYBE future plans. (fingers crossed)

yeah.. he/she said in some japanese thread or the thread about the second half of 07, don't remember.. but i do remember that those were the words he said ?;)

Mysteron, tell us if we'll hear something soon or if we'll wait some months, please. If you can, of course. :hihi:

HELLO DARKNESS, MY OLD FRIEND

I'VE COME TO TALK TO YOU AGAIN......


THE SOUND


OF SILENCE..............


JUST ACCEPT IT :'(

I expect several months of nothing.

The answer is 42.

It's time to go to gnr.com and press ''F5''  10 times a day ;)

I expect a long silence and many people thinking they are in the know posting bullshit rumors.  I missed out on Mysteron, maybe he can fill us in a little more?

chin dem in 2 months.

HAHAHAHAHAHA! You're funny.

wow that was fast:), just kidding i'm with you on that wishful thinking :beer:

hmmmmm its a BIG question ,,,,,.... i think axl goes back to the studio for some "final touches"  haha ........
but who knows? ...... .... ... hoppfully we will get a album in the near future ........Soon is not the word ...hehe ...

A new tour perhaps ...with NO new album haha ..PINSAMT V?RRE

its gnr, anyuthing can happen.

my gut tells me they still haven't finished mixing, they tried before the tour and didn't have the time. and while they have been on tour it has remained untouched.

that then means they need to come back, have a break say two weeks and see families etc. then get together and mix, i dont know how long that takes? thjen they have to submit to record compnay who then have to plan for promo etc.

i hadn't really thought it through like this before...but to me it seems like it may be nov / dec before the album could surface (at the earliest).

but its just all ands, ifs, and buts....

Let's see guys.. i am keeping the hope goin!!!!

i kinna wanted to know too.that question suits what i needed to know.no more tour dates for awhile.that's what i wanted to know,thankz.

Just remember.....

...the band were confident they would have it released last November/December. So much so that for the first time ever they actually openly spoke about how it was being released imminently. We got the whole "12 tuesdays" joke etc.

So logically.... the album is 99% finished and the band are just planning a strategic release date. If it was anything less than 99% finished then the band wouldnt have gigged at all this year.

The band are just priming the Aussie and Oriental markets for its release.

I SAID IT WAS FINISHED DAMNIT!!!!!

DOES''NT ANYONE LISTEN WHEN I SPEAK!!!!




YOURS TRULY

SLASH

I'd love if Mysteron (or anyone for that matter) gave us some info within a few weeks.

Whats next is a good question...But thats been asked after very tour that they finish..

It's funny because it's true...
 :hihi:

 :rofl:
nice

yeap, can we go back to talk about the album now?
lol

 :beer:

I agree with you, but I also see the original point.

If it is done and Merck is gone. What is the label and who will handle promotion?

Once that is straight give them 10 to 15 weeks.

There are 18 Tuesdays left before the Christmas shopping season.

Lots more time to play with our demos........

A few more leaks.

I personally don't want to hear any more leaks IF the album is gonna come out someday.  If not, then let the leaks fly.

Honestly, all joking aside, I have a good feeling about this year. It's the first time I have ever felt this way regarding the album. It's "turned in" and Mysteron said the main focus was getting the album out (which I never recall him saying in the past) then that just fortifies my outlook on 07.

if i was axl i would release the album on march 6th 2008 and say that was the plan all along. would be so badass :smoking:

It would be more Badass if he just released the damn thing!!! Soon.

I would certainly hope this latest leg of the C.D. tour didn't upset those nagging 'finishing touches.' After all, they didn't have to do it (at least as it appears to all of us) and I'm certain those markets would have waited for the GnR machine to roll into their time.

Personally, I always speculated that these latest dates were a fundraiser anyway; Axl has been financing the record on his own for a couple of years, if that portion of the NYT article is to be believed. This leg was a quick and easy way to push some cash toward the studio fees.

But I believe the album has been done for awhile and there are probably legal hassles and label headaches to solve.

 :o

Where did you hear that?  If that's true then it's great news, and the album will probably be out this year. 

My theory on the tour was that they had turned the album over to be mixed, maybe they even had several different people mixing it so they could choose from different mixes.  Mixing, especially for an album as layered and complex as CD, can take months.  So the optimistic side of me figured that rather than wait around for someone to mix the album, they went out on the road to stay in lean, mean touring mode, so when they got back they could decide on the final mix and turn it in.  But if the album has already been turned in to Universal then that should mean a release later this year  8)

Those have been my thoughts as well.

The tour was great.  Axl was there full throttle every night and had a different surprise for each region...(Don't Cry, extended setlists, etc).  I really enjoyed reading how much Axl and the band were having fun...but the question always lingers for EVERYONE of us...Is Axl serious about releasing CD?  I think so.  The focus for the next couple months will be on the album I'm sure, but the guy I know whos involved with Geffen tells me that Axl is still wanting Great Hits II released with the "real hits" according to Axl, and I completely agree.  I'm not sure what hits he wants, but hes set on the Greatest Hits II being released at some point in time as well as Chinese Democracy.  I just hope the CD release will be in November 2007 like he is telling me...here to hoping all this off time leads up to what we all WANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :beer:

I think it would be a bad idea for GH 2 to come out.  People would then be certain that Chinese Democracy is nowhere near.   Focus should be 100 percent on Chinese Democracy IMO

Yes it should.  I DO NOT WANT ANOTHER GREATEST HITS!!  Axl is the only one pushing for this (as far as I know).  I think Axl really wants Chinese Democracy out...hes hit every major region and everyone in his camp knows its time.

Cmon.... They only released 5 studio albums, The first GH shouldnt have happened in my opinion, All these kids are buying GH and missing out on the best tunes, Coma, RQ, etc etc...  They all need to just go and buy the albums.

Gunners need to drop a single now and announce the real release date for the album. If they dont after this much touring then it would seem to me that they are fucking stupid! To put it frankly......

Yes, i think another GH album would be completely pointless, at least at this point in time.  perhaps a year after CD is out, it's possible that may work....

you are the stupid one.
what does touring have to do with dropping singles?!
by that analogy we should have had the single in 2002.

Get this, the radio here in Providence say that the album is going to come out around X-Mas...for the X-Mas rush...I don't know but we have along wait one way or another.

i don't put much stock into mysteron's comments. not that i don't believe him, but axl basically said the same thing last year. right from the horse's mouth - their focus was to get the album out before the spring '07. and it didn't happen.

It would be nice to drop the single labor day in sept and then have it come out the next tue after Thanksgiving.

Im sure they tried to get it out but it looks like with the scheduling was an issue ( studio time, recording, ect) it's a smart move touring for 06 07 getting everyone familiar with the band introducing them to the public now it seems the right time to set up the release for Chinese Democracy.

We should have had the single in 02.

followed by 3 months of hype and speculation and then followed by several months of nothing.

always the funny guy... you try to so fucking hard :no:

Why does all the hostility have to pop up. He was just making a joke.

I hope the big question will be answered soon!   : ok:

There is no more info to give

The info I gave was to partly address all the tour rumors that were going around, and what I said still stands.

But plans can be made at any time so expect the unexpected.

Correct I remember in some mexico article ( correct me if im wrong) Axl said he has a big surprise for the fans in 07 hmmmmmm wonder what that could be.

"There are currently no tour plans after Japan.

The emphasis right now is on getting the new album out."

Uh... Uh... I don't know man...? I don't know.... But, uh... It seems that I've heard this before. This sound so early 2K

Is G&R still mixing the record??

Concentrating on finishing the album would of course would only make sense, but then again....... If it does work out to where they really are finishing what's left to do on the album, artwork, track sequencing, etc...etc.. then, I still say a Fall or Spring release has always been the safest route. Christmas......I just feel that it would be overshadowed and lost in the shuffle of so many other things, sales on existing greatest hits compilations, existing box sets, etc...etc.. If they still wanted to do that however, then late Oct. early Nov. at the latest would still serve positive sales of the album and give people more time to discover it through ads and television before the formidable black Friday. You can also forget January into February, everyone's either broke, or trying to pay their credit card bills off from the holidays. I'm just clearly speaking from how I would seek a new album out. A lot of people seem to look for what they know is already out there durign the holiday rush.  :-\

It was officially posted months back that mixing was complete

2010

well i know that you got it right there.. you don't know shit : ok:

I wish I knew who Mysteron's source was or who he was connected to. Maybe he's Axl's son? :hihi:

aren't we all sons of god in some way ;)

Good point you got there.

I just hope that one day when/if the album comes out we can look back at all these years we've waited and laugh after letting out a big sigh of relief.  I have no doubt from the material we've heard that the album would be fantastic.  We all have to realize and rationalize how much this band has been through since the original members left.  It took Axl some time to resurface and find guys he was comfortable playing with.  Then Buckethead got sick? causing them to cancel an entire European tour that Axl wasn't really wanting to do at the time anyway.  Then the failed 2002 tour, again not sure Axl was completely ready to tour.  Then Buckethead left and the band had to pull out of RIR in 2004.  It took two years for Axl to reappear and enter Bumblefoot.  And recently Brain has left, enter Frank, Merck was fired as manager.  Not that I had to recap all that, I know all of you are aware of how things have played out over the years.  But that's a lot of shit that the band has gone through.  And hopefully NOW they have a steady thing going and can concentrate on getting the album out.  With each one of these hiccups, I'm sure they process was slowed, restarted, etc.

It just seem that either the band has had some very terrible management decisions made over the last 7 years or so.  How can you schedule two tours if the lead singer isn't ready to tour?  If that's the truth, that's what we were made to believe, that Axl was sort of forced to tour when he would've rather spent the time working on and finishing up the album.  Either that or there was very bad communication between the band and their management.  It almost seems as if their management over the years knows about as much as we (the fans) do about the album and such.  And that's definitely not a good thing since we know next to nothing.

Chinese Democracy is coming

"I don't know if soon is the word"..W. Axl Rose

yes, and you use quote from x years ago to make your point. :no:

1) I'm wasn't "trying".

2) Just having fun.  8)

3) Sorry you are so miserable.

all we can do is see what unfolds.   hopefully something.

What does it mean to concentrate on getting the album out? From all  viewpoints the album is out of the hands of the band--being mixed  or whatever. So the phrase to focus on getting the album out is meaningless. I guess the band  will  sit  together in room and chant together 'get the album out, get the  album out' until it  finally happens?? I am confused, and not a small bit  dubious.

theres probably things we have no clue about that are holding it up.  I'm thinking legal issues.   I can't say that for sure, but it would explain the unusual situation.

It's supposed to be getting mixed now right? That was the latest?

What kind of legal ?issues could there be that ?is relevant to new ?music? Please ?explicate.

i dont know. but it would explain why much isn't said, maybe because it can't be said.

i could be wrong

South America, South Africa, Album Release, Rehearsing of a new and different setlist, Then full World tour promoting the album for 2 years. Then a b-sides album, then a live DVD. Then new solo albums/tours for Ron & Tommy.

So thats what I predict for the next 3 or 4 years of GNR. 


.....then everyone (except dizzy) quits/gets fired and  replaced by members of pixies, ministry, devo, and ween.. plus a lead guitarist named Bubblehand, and they release another album in 2025.

As for us, we'll be glued to our computers the whole time, still talking about what they will do next.

I think that's been "the latest" a couple of times now... that and "finishing touches"

I'd see a version of Guns N' Roses with devo members in it... and I'm not even close to kidding.  I'd get high for it though.

I think it's funny when people talk about management forcing Axl to tour and that's why he can't get the album out.? I mean I could be wrong, but I doubt Axl's taking too many orders from people.? I assume he makes most of the calls, atleast the important ones.

With GN'R one thing is for sure:

History does repeat itself!

You have to understand the frustration with posts like this. I mean, the last info you gave us was that the "emphasis is on getting the album out". I understand that you're saying you gave out that info just so people weren't expecting more tour dates and so on, but what you're posting now seems to leave us with no answer again.

If I'm reading this right you're saying that there aren't any plans for anything at this point. Right?

damn, I woke up today and it?s 2007 !!!!
where?s this album anyway

hehe m8b that`ll work ;D I guess that means they have to organize a release date, talk about promo with universal, set a schedule for interview dates and tv appearances etc.
But then again, they don`t even have management.... ???

I'm not saying it IS true, but that's what they've led us to believe in the past.  Axl himself implied that in his letter to the fans and the press release regarding the cancelled European tour in 2001 stated that former mgr. Doug Goldstein got excited at the success of RIR and jumped the gun to arrange a European tour as they planned to have the album out THAT year.  But Buckethead's illness stopped the tour and slowed down the process of the album.  And of course the failed tour the next year and Bucket quitting the band a few years later didn't help speed things up either.  Again, we the fans don't get very much information so we can only take these things we HAVE been told.  Anything else is just pure speculation.

The plans are to get the album out.  But if they don't, look for another tour in the U.S., hitting the cities that they haven't played yet.  And if they don't do that, look for some cool pictures on the website for another year.

Look at me!!  I'm an "insider" too!!

 ::)

I don't understand why everyone relies on Mysteron when Jarmo has direct contact with GN'R, and Fernando and Beta both post on the website.

I think (and hope) the band have probably got the message by now which is the fans would really appreciate some kind of idea about what is going to happen (please don't post that silly 'the emphasis right now is going to be putting the album out' message again as that says absolutely nothing in my opinion)

Exactly my point.  I mean, seriously, why do we put so much weight into what Mysteron says?  Has he ever gave us groundbreaking news that came true?  Sorry, but as so many have said before:  Until CD is actually in my hands, I'm not believing shit.

So maybe we should start asking Jarmo if he knows anything :)

Jarmo, speak up please! :D

When CD is playing in my stereo, I still won't believe it will ever come out  ;D

Mysteron only says things when they're going to happen.

As he stated, sometimes plans change.

I know this: GN'R in 2007 is better than ever.

If you saw them in Mexico, Australia, New Zealand or Japan, you know what I'm talking about.



I also know there are no scheduled tour dates right now. As usual, as soon as there are real news about upcoming shows you will know about it.

The same goes for the album. When there's news about it, it will be posted.


The tour just ended so let's just relax for a moment.




/jarmo

with all due respect, for as long as i have been a fan of gnr, i haven't seen or heard Axl Rose do anything other than the unexpected.....its part of his appeal, his charisma....its the reason why we all like him....

sorry Mysteron, but saying that we should expect the "unexpected" is a bit like stating the obvious....

what's the obvious?

Isn't it obvious

that we should expect the "unexpected"

Good point overall. I know that alot of people get irritated with the constant questions about the album, but it honestly does get hard sometimes to keep up the waiting.

you guys are reading too much in between lines

Who and how?

Jarmo is right, lets just relax...the tour just ended. I believe we will haeve some news in the next month...but there's nothing we can do. Let's just wait!

Right now we should be proud our favorite band rocked the world in the past 2 years...great shows, sold out shows in Europe, USA, Oceania, Asia...Gn'r are on the right path :)

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=43475.msg879333#msg879333


that was posted in feburary , all of a sudden nobody has a clue to whats happening , except a bunch of dates were just played ?

I'm sure buckethead leaving caused some problems, but remember guns n' roses' lack of ability to produce any material was the sole reason he left. ?We can blame bucket for fucking things up but not all that much - I'm going to say what they have to do in order to get Chinese Democracy out because I have no idea what the problem is, but if Buckethead left in '03 when because they couldn't make any new material and now it's '07 (4 years later) and we still have NOTHING NEW then fuck me freddy. (except a few bootlegs and the tour, which doesn't count)

Me too ... Does this forum give us any groundbreaking news about the band in the past 3 years? I prefer to rely in official statements that come at the same time here and every serious comunnication channels. Axl is a fair guy!!! Everybody get news at the same



I don't know if It's my impression but does Jarmo wrote a lot of things but actually didn't say shit?

Not to just blindly defend Jarmo of this board, but if there was news, this would be one of the first places you'd hear it I would think.

Is it just me or is it that whenever Axl's voice improves, or the band chemistry tightens, delays to the record's release are incurred? That's my speculation for the reason of the wait, and we could wait an indefinite amount of time for all we know.

It would have been a mistake to put the record out in 2002 considering the shape Axl was in. Now, he seems mentally healthy, physicall healthy, and relevant-looking enough to take back what's his, which is a lot. He was King of Rock Music for 6 years and lost the mantle. He's more poised to get it back than at any time since 1993.  The band seems even hungrier than ever. Watching Rock Am Ring on You Tube, it was the first time I was ever FULLY satisfied with the new Guns N' Roses (in addition to seeing them live at Hammerstein Ballroom in May 14, 2006). There's been hundreds of new shows in the past couple of years and GNR seems to be getting more and more spontaneous and fun and musically creative on stage.

The great news seems to be that we'll be getting new GNR that won't just win us back, but win new fans. The bad news seems to be endless waiting to shape up a record that consists of 3 or 4 albums worth of material over a 10+ year period. Once the material comes out, the buying public would be deciding the fate of GNR and whether the record company should continue to finance this monster.

I personally wouldn't even speculate on an album release date like most others here have the habit to do. You're more likely to see them next in South America in my opinion than on a record shelf.

Mark N' Roses

The answer to the BIG QUSTION is a couple more tour dates around the world then release the ALBUM and then a north america tour? hopefuly? ;)


? ?Peace

Mark and roses has some really interesting points. As he said the buying market would decide on the fate of him and the new band IF the album dropped in stores.......welll.........all I have to say to that is......Axl's gotta find out sooner or later and maybe Axl doesn't want that, maybe he doesn't want what good has come out of these last couple years of touring to have any kind of a negative end. Sure a lot of the world needed to get to know the band and start to take back what's his, but you can only do that for so damn long. I say that's pretty much avoiding both ends of the spectrum, he's never going to know unless he delivers.

Maybe it's your reading comprehension?  ???

There's no news on the album.

There. Better?




/jarmo

Russtcb : Not to just blindly defend Jarmo of this board, but if there was news, this would be one of the first places you'd hear it I would think.


Yes this would be the place, which is why I'm on here twice a day.

Yep. Me too. :beer:

This damn site is on my bookmarks and it will probably be the cause of me getting fired... :hihi:

: : Vicente : :

I saw GNR live last year and really enjoyed it.  I also think it's really cool that they've recently toured the world bringing great music to many fans, but it's hard to think it's that cool.  I mean it's good that the tour was successful, but everything is overshadowed by Chinese Democracy and when is it going to be released.  I mean I honestly don't see the point of really caring about any touring,etc. until that album has been released.  It's the huge fucking elephant in the room, and Axl has basically failed to even comment on it more than once in the last 5 years, let alone release it!!  He better already have his 400 page explanation of it's creation and endless delay written in novel form.   

axl could joke about releasing the album "fall, late fall" and say that's what he meant on eddie trunk and when eddie asked if it was that year axl just said yes ebcause he wanted to shut him up :hihi:

that shows seems so long ago doesn't it :crying:

actually, to me it feelks like it was like only 3 months ago the most :D

If only GN'R would come to Brazil soon, that would make it easier for me to wait :)
I mean, they came here in 2001 (and I wasn't able to go see them), then they toured Japan twice, North America twice, Europe "once and a half", Mexico, Australia, they were even supposed to play in freaking Africa! Come on, it's way past the time for a tour in South America, preferably with the album out or with a release date set :D

Why not this year? Why Chinese Democracy could not appear this year?
If Axl said it was going out in 2006, now it is 2007. So why not? now what happen?

 :rofl: :rofl:

That's fucking great! And there is more than an element of truth to it.

The album WILL be out this year.  How can it NOT?  It's finished, only the mixing is left.  And a marketing strategy.

that's been the story for all of 2007...i need some CD before i DIE!!!!!

The GNR world is like Groundhog Day the movie.



Right now we are saying

"Definitely this year"


Oh it will be out by NOvember for sure


We've been saying this for 5 years, So its kind of like a Merry Go Round.

U would think this is definitely the year but I dont think its coming out this year.

Im shooting for next summer.

shut up jarmo...its easy for you to say relax cause you have the cd....but us fans don't.

so how is the cd?

LOL. Thats pretty funny


 :peace:

And what makes this guy believe Jarmo got CD in Japan? Jesus Christ. Sources or GTFO.

I dunno. This year might be the stop/loss for alot of fans. Axl's letter last December bought him time in the eyes of many fans but a wait of more than another full calender year is a bit much.

I am still confident 2007 is the year; if not, then something must be seriously going wrong behind the curtain.

Maybe they are going to take some days to rest after this great tour and then they?ll go back to work.

there's no work to go back to... the cd was supposed to be mixing...out of their hands...

unless work means videos and stuff..

I was referring to all the stuff around CD not about the record itself since it is supposed to be done. But don?t take me too serious, I?m just saying what I think and I have no idea of how all that stuff behind the scenes works.

How about you shut the fuck up?



I heard you have warts on your private parts.

Do you still think making shit up about others is fun, wartboy?




/jarmo

he does, he sent me pics in the pm  :nervous:

Hopefully we get word of something soon.  Things really looked like they went well in Australia and Japan.   Hopefully they are able to keep the momentum going and the world gets to hear more music and see GnR again soon.

No you're right November_Rain, this isn't how an album release schedule would normally work. Things are different with the GNR album/s, and there are numerous factors to this, to which of course, we will never completely know about yet. Of course there have been many band members who have come and gone, ongoing legal issues relating to this, but there is so much more going on I'm sure, mostly relating to legal/'professional' issues, if that makes sense.

Having said that though, they did confirm recording was completed for the album earlier this year. It is only an ASSUMPTION that they may have started the mixing process, but there is a possibility that maybe they held off until the world tour was completed. We don't know. But from what mysterion said, maybe it is done.

This is a crucial period now in terms of whether or not the album will actually come out. Yeah yeah i know, it's been a 'crucial' period every year around this time, but I mean in terms of the band not having any immediate commitments, with shows or a full scale tour. If anything was going to happen this year, hopefully, soon, we will start to hear of it.

We can only wait and see though. Any time now..

no, Del James said that CD was being mixed and Ron confirmed it.

 ? Been reading a lot of "end of the world tour" type posts and so on.

Who say's? GNR could release a whole other European leg, tomorrow. It's only July...so much could still happen.

No one knows just like we don't know when the album will be out

well i believe mysteron when he says there is no plans on another tour now.. the main focus will be on getting the monster out

I am hoping and wishing that things move forward sometime soon.

I'm not sure how happy I am to hear that there's "nothing to tell" at this point as Mysteron said. I would think some sort of plans would have to be in place if there was any chance of us getting the album this year.

Just depends what tour you're discussing. The "World Tour 07" just ended but, like you said, might continue on another continent. The "Chinese Democracy" Tour started in '02 and might go on for several years.

I just thought of what the whiners will whine about when the record is released.. (it wont be the record since that will be a masterpiece :hihi:)


it will be if the 4-5 yeard old plan of 3 albums in 3 years don't happen and it take more time to get the next records :hihi: lame whiners

Nah, they'll whine about which guitarist fucked this solo up and that guitarist would have OWNED that solo, or this song wasn't put together right and it would have been MUCH better if this were done instead....

They'll find flaws anywhere ;)

Who needs musicians when the Gn'R whiners know exactly how great music sounds? :hihi:

 :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:


I love this new Jarmo! : ok: : ok:


Wartboy! :rofl: :rofl:

well, i was one of the lucky ones that saw gnr in Monterrey, MX, i had the best time of my life. It really doesnt matter to me when the album comes out. Gnr were at their best that night of june 2 of 2007, so whatever happens it will be welcomed. There's a rock station here that is playing better every fckn day!!!!!!!!!!

I like the thoughts in your post apart from the last sentence.

No radio station should be playing Better because it hasn't been officially released yet. It is playing a leak then.

and like a thread no so long ago, we all no how you feel about leaks.

have you considered incontinence underwear, or maybe plastic bed sheets...

 :rofl:

 ::) i still thinks its fun to get you all pissed off there site nazi...come on at least leak prostitute?

The poster child for birth control ^^

OOOOOooooh I get it. You're TRYING to get banned.... oh ok cool. I was lost there for a second.

You getting me pissed off?

In your dreams.



Talking of leaks, does it burn when you take one?



/jarmo

lmao, mighty fun j-dawg  :hihi: :rofl:

Well I guess it's time to lock this thread.

Look I was talking to someone on another forum, and they mentioned jarmo having c.d.

Now I don't have a problem with the guy who said it, he is a nice guy.

But come on. Even with my negative -1 karma, to say Jarmo has it is ridiculous.

First of all how would you know?

Second of all last time I checked it wasn't completely finished yet.

Thirdly, out of all people that deserve to listen to it I would say Mr. Jarmo has earned that right, even with some posts dissappearing from time to time here.

So finally, the man has said he does not have it in this post and likely more since I have not been posting here in a while.

If you don't believe him that is your fucking problem, but cut the guy some slack and stop appearing to be desperate fucking whiners.

He said he doesn't have it, give up, move on and shut the fuck up.

 :peace:

Between "prostitute", and "leaks" there had to be a joke in there somewhere...

i know he doesnt have i just heard he did so i wanted to give him shit...

i know the album isnt done...fuck the vocals arent done

why do you think axl did a quick tour like this...to get some more money for the vocals

the album wont be out for a while. : ok:

Bye. :wave:




/jarmo

Fastest ban ever?

I concur!

Who was that? Speedstone? Had to be...

Funny you should say that........ ;)

If you will entertain me for one second as to what I think is going on:

The holdup has nothing or little to do with the creative process. It has been indicated by many people in and around the band that numerous songs (at least 30+) have been completed, mixed and most likely mastered. Moreover, Axl said himself in his 'open letter' to the fans that any hindrances to the album's release are minor. I believe he meant this relative to the creative process.

From a truly outsiders perspective, what's holding this entire project in limbo is legal/contractual issues. It's been mentioned several times by Axl and Merck that negotiations between the band/management and the record label had to be put to bed first before anything could be released. What I think Axl and the band have been doing with the 2006/2007 tours (and by calling them all the Chinese Democracy Tours) is building brand awareness and hence upping their leverage at the bargaining table. Remember, everyone here knows what the new album will be called, but before 2006 and definitely 2002, few outside this and other GNR fan forums had little knowledge about what the band had been up to.

With every new concert the band performs, that's many more potential customers. With increased exposure comes Universal's desire for the album, hence giving Axl and the band a better position to negotiate a sweeter contract. Remember Axl's got a $13 million (if not more) tab to pay off. If he can claim that the band has done much for the promotion of the album, perhaps some of the money that would have gone towards promotion would instead go back to paying off the loan from the record company.

Bottom line, the longer this process takes, the more I'm inclined to believe it relates back to money. As much as Axl seems to be a perfectionist (and who knows how much that's been exaggerated), it's hard to believe that it's taken this long to write enough material for one album. If anyone has any experience when it comes to contract negotiations or the legal process in general, you know how long these issues can take to be resolved.

Cheers,

Andrew