Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I'm very pessimistic about this.

It took the band three years to record Libertad, and that was when they were coming off a successful album. If Libertad fails to go gold, will the band just call it a day? Slash will always be Slash and be able to get high profile gigs as a session player or he could do a Santana type multi-singer album. Weiland could ride a wave of 90s nostalgia with STP (as those guys aren't doing well commercially with AOA). So would it even be worth it for VR to make another album if the public at large is apathetic at this point?

It's a damn shame if this is the case. I think the band is just starting to get in the swing of things and I was hoping to see at least another three or four albums.

Personally I'd rather see STP reunite.    So many great songs from that band,  songs leagues ahead of what VR has ever done together.   and Scott had much better chemistry with the DeLeo Bros than he does S&D.

Scott would do best to go back to Stone Temple Pilots.   Slash and Duff should go back to finding a singer who fits them better.   

VR have released 2 average albums, I think Slash and Duff could do better and Scott can do better.   But I suppose if they can stay together long enough they'll put out more albums.  But didn't they barely stay together during the making of Libertad?  ???

I think they have a 3 record contract with RCA, so we can expect at least one more album.

I hope we see several new albums! and I think we'll at least see a third album from them.

They would be their album of covers I guess...

I believe that we'll see as many records as there are on the contract signed with the record company.

Yeah, I think we'll see and hear another VR album.

The real question is: Who thinks we will see album #3 before CD hits the stores?

.. but is there anything really stopping them from releasing a live album or compilation instead?  We don't know the details of the contract, but I'd wager that happens a lot.

Weiland is planning a solo album and Duff has mentioned it-I think the money would have to be really good for a STP reunion-Scott and the brothers hate each other, and actually the last STP album didn't sell much differently than what a VR release would

No, but they could use that later, to milk the cow a bit more, after the third record (if the contract has a third record...).


I thought that was over a long time ago...

I'm not sure it is-I thought Scott had said in interviews for Contraband that the last show they played he and Dean nearly came to blows-and Dean had said it was easy now working because they were working with a junkie before-I just think they tried to patch things up in the past and just never really got along

I hope we'll see moore vr, they got more to give.

They work very well as a group if you ask me...

stupid topic in my opinion. if you think the only reason these guys have to play togueter is to sell million copies. they're gonna play togueter if they enjoy what they do and i think theyd do it. it's all about the music!!!!

and they took almost three years to release another album because of a lot of things: they did a world tour for 18 months and after that they were obviously sicked about it, they're humans and everyother people in that situation would have done the same, slash rehab, problems with rick rubin and a lot of different things... i have a band (not at their status obviously) and i know how difficult is to stay in a band togueter for a long time with the same motivations that you had at the begin. In my opinion they're doin' really great and with this album they've grown a lot as a band, i think they feel better and more comfortable than ever with Velvet Revolver. If album sales don't go really good i don't think they will separate or sell themselves to the stupid pop-rap-superficial world music domination that we have nowadays. They're autentic rockers so they're gonna`play the music that run throught their veins to the death and i think if they get to be comfortable with what they do togueter they're gonna play motherfuckin' rock and roll!!!!!


don't be so pessimist and enjoy the fuckin' music guys

keep on rockin' motherfuckers!!!!   :beer:

Even before the disappointing sales of Libertad I didn't think they'd make more than 3 studio albums together, just based on the egos involved and the fact that there were rumours of new breakups on the Contraband tour, and that Duff said he felt like the band was on the verge of breaking up during the making of Libertad. 

Now with Libertad in serious danger of bombing it's going to make it that much more difficult for them to get another album done.  In a band with the kind of starpower that VR has and coming off a double platinum album they probably got a heft advance.  A $5 million advance wouldn't be surprising.  Next time around if this album fails, they'll get a lot smaller advance, and they won't get as much creative control, the label will be leaning over their shoulder a lot more when they're in production.  With the egos involved that type of environment is very volatile.  Scott has after they're done touring he's going to focus on another solo album.  Unless Libertad gets saved by singles #2 and #3 and goes platinum or at least sells halfway between gold and platinum, I'd say there won't be a third Velvet Revolver album, discounting a live album or a compilation type

if there is a 3rd i hope its better than album 1 and 2 for there sake.

then they can have a best of record :D


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I hope that they just split up. The talent is being wasted, everyone in the band except maybe Dave or Matt can do much better. I think that if Libertad doesn't go gold they will call it quits, but maybe they'll stick out their contract.

in interviews i read that they didnt know who they were writing for with contraband but now they know who they are writing for. Scott Weiland is a poppier singer and excels in that area, even tho i like libertad i was expecting something a bit heavier and not so generic. Id rather have STP get back together and apparently they are on good terms so that would be awesome. Slash and Co should get back to playing real rock n roll not generic rock

That? is not true. They toured thru all of 2004 to late 2005. I could look it up, but my memory is that they toured at least? thru Sept. 2005. Then they took a well-deserved? break, after a 19 month tour. The album came out? in mid-2007. That is 18 months, tops. Give it 4-5 months for mixing and all the? rest, and it means? the album was? recorded in about a year. Not bad. Shall we compare it GNR and Chinese Democracy?

And? yes, there will be? a 3rd, and 4th album. Why? Because they ROCK in concert and make good music. The 2nd will go platinum for sure. I don't get all the negativity, unless it is by people who remain? stuck in the GNR vs VR mode. So sad, so fucking sad.

I support VR, I just question how much longer they will be a band if Libertad flops.

^ With good music, why would Libertad  flop?
The  chances of that happening  are  small.
They have  a regular  CD, a deluxe edition on itunes, and a version with  a DVD. Surely  they will hit  1 million in sales worldwide. It is hard to imagine that Libertad will fare  worse than Contraband. I just don't  see it  happening. On Libertad, there are at least 6-7 potential singles, and that should carry the album  just fine.

Libertad was in the top 10 around the world its first week. So its hardly a flop even if it doesn't have the hype Contraband did to sell it to people who just buy whatevers in the magazines instead of thinking for themselves about what they like.

Besides it never seemed to bother Slash and Duff when Snakepit and Loaded were selling relatively few copies of their albums and playing clubs or opening gigs. Matt made an album that even the vast majority of GNR fans don't know exists and he doesn't seem to care, and Dave is doing infinately better in VR than any other band he's been in. Its harder to say with Scott because he's never done something that was commercially unsucsessful (except Mighty Joe Young and that was a diffrent situation entirely) but I don't think it would bother them if Libertad, or their future albums, weren't a huge sucsess.

They want the band to do well obviously, any artist would like to know their work is appreciated, but I'd be very suprised if they split up just because Libertad wasn't a massive hit.

^ It's 5 O'Clock Somewhere went platinum. Libertad, in all likelyhood, will not. The difference is those were side-projects, things they did to keep busy but get away from the hugeness of GN'R. VR is supposed to be bigger, larger, a 'supergroup' even if they pretend to dislike the term. They are supposed to be a big hit, they have expectations that Loaded and Snakepit never had, and they are falling short.

I don't think they'll split for sales, I think they'll split because they know the music isn't good enough. Which is a reason why sales are low.

I think we will se atleast one more album

I think they'll make it to a 3rd album, but I think it will be another 3 years until then with touring and Scott doing a solo record. And as far as Scott not having been in a band not commercially successful if he really did care and decided to split on account of not living up to his expectations of success I am inclined to believe the other 4 guys would continue on with possibly a new singer.

I'm not saying Scott would split if the band was commercially unsucsessful. All I meant was unlike with the other guys I can't give an example to prove that he persevered with a project even thought it wasn't a commercial sucsess because it hasn't happened. Personally I'd like to think that he'd enjoy it and stay regardless of how they do.

Also as someone else pointed out in another thread all the guys except Matt are married and 3/5 have kids. That totally changes your perspective on life, they might even prefere less commerical sucsess if it means less buisness to deal with and more time to spend with their families.

i think we all know its true that slash and duff enjoy touring and actually playing music.but i don't think they like velvet revolver music very much.there are a lot of filler tracks on both albums...and they have to play them too, just to make a setlist! otherwise people would criticise them for just playing gnr tunes or other covers...there will be complications for both them and scott forever...unless maybe...everyone had their own reunon and stone temple pilots and origional gnr did a tour together!

So let me get this straight, you're saying Slash and Duff don't like playing music they helped create and thought enough of to put out for public consumption? ???

Between the two albums they have I'm sure Slash and Duff are more than capable of putting together a set list of songs they like. If they really didn't like most of the songs on the last two albums why would they have bothered making them? And do you have absolutely any kind of reason or evidence for making this assumption?

Calling them filler tracks is your opinion - I'm sure theres other people out there who would consider them the best songs on the album, and for all you know Slash and Duff could be amongst them.

I think it's over, personally.

This album is very dissapointing. SBQM is a good song, but let's face it : They gave us another mini-version of Slither and they'll follow it up with Last fight, which will be played about 1000 times a day on the radio , which is already 1000 times too much, as I'm already sick as hell of it. 

There will be an STP re-union at some point in the next 5 years and rightfully so.

I dunno...from everything I've read theres a lot of bad blood in the whole STP thing. And I don't think the Deleo brothers are hard up for cash or that desperate for attention. I mean they tried for years numerous times with Scott and he never really got his shit together. And I've heard scott say they were hypocrites cause they were using stuff while he was trying to get sober.

What? World-wide sales might have been at one million, but not in the States. It didn't even go tin.

I don't want to assume I know what he was saying, but I did always find it strange that Axl made it a point to let people know that Slash and Duff did not like playing Patience and November Rain live, and Slash has been outwardly critical about composing ballads etc. Yet , he does'nt seem to have a problem with
Fall to Pieces or this Last Fight tune, both of which are pretty straight up ballad -type songs ( and neither touch NRain or Patience..imho..) :no: :no:, so I don't know what the hell to believe anymore.

It's 5 O'clock Somewhere debuted at no. 70 on the charts-not sure it went platnium in US

The contract issue isn't really an issue.  Bands breakup prior to completing their contracts all the time so I don't think that's going to be a factor as to whether or not they carry on

Let's not close the book on VR yet. Only one single has been released, which is not sufficient enough to declare an album dead or not. Suppose they release the Last Fight and the single goes top 10. The album will most likely pick up in sales (See Def Leppard, Pour Some Sugar on Me). It was not just Slither that made Contraband a success, but all of the other singles that solidified the album and kept sales going.

I would be shocked if VR does not complete a 3rd album, contract aside. These guys seem like they enjoy playing music together and mesh very well. They tour everywhere around the world and are a great act live (which is where the money is anyways), so why would they not play together anymore? Even though Libertad may not live up to Contraband monetarily, that doesn't necessarily mean that VR will pack it in and go home.

Also, Libertad took 3 years because VR went on lengthy tours, its not like they were in a situation where they were bringing guys in from all over and re-recording parts till kingdom come, like other bands. Keep the faith in VR. I also liked whoever proposed the question of if VR's 3rd album will make it before CD. Any bets being taken?

I don't see why people think the band is going to break up.

Yes, they had a rough patch, but they keep saying how they got past that and everything is better now.

Libertad's sales are lower than Contraband's, but that was to be expected without all the incoming hype and the constant declien of the music industry.

On that note, everyone in the band constatntly talks about how great the album was, how happy they were with it, yada yada yada... if they're truly happy with how it came out and the work they've done I see no reason why you people think they'd break up.

Bands break up when they aren't happy with what they've done, not when they are happy with it.

I heard people say exactly the same things when Contraband came out. I'm bored enough I even dug out old topics on a couple of forums to confirm it.

People were saying that album didn't live up to expectations or the bands potential, was mainly filler and overall it was obvious VR couldn't cut it so they'd tour for Contraband and then break up like most supergroups. And here we are after they toured for 18 months and released a second album and are out on tour again and people are still saying exactly the same things.

Does not mean that this album is even close to Contraband.

No matter how many emails you have the actual time to dig up.

I didn't say it did.

All I said was that just because they made an album that some people aren't overly impressed with is no reason for the band to break up and that being proven wrong with Contraband should have stopped people dragging out the same arguments again.

Velvet Revolver are only a supergroup because thats what the media has lebelled them as. Certain people seem to believe everything they read in the press, and get super high expectations. All because the collection of high-class past projects should all add up and create something out of this world.

The media has huge expectations and the fans that naively think anything they produce will be an instant classic.

What makes you think that they think the music isnt good enough? If they thought that, they wouldnt be in the band. None of that has to do with sales either, by making that statement you are just saying that all amazingly talented underground musicians have no hope because they have low sales. Bollocks. Or are you someone that likes a band more based on the ammount of sales they have under their belt?

^ I didn't say I don't like them because they have low sales, or that they'll split because of low sales, and I'm sorry that you couldn't grasp what I was saying. I said low sales were a result, not a cause, in this process. And the way I see it the sales are a result of a bad album. I think Slash and Duff know it's not that great. They've already expressed interest in doing the third album, and what band releases an album and instantly wants to move on? A band that knows it can do better. Much better.

As far as expectations... of fucking course they're set by the media and fans. Who else sets expectations? If Briere goes out and gets only 40 points for the Flyers this year, it won't be good enough to say 'Well that's not so bad, it's just the media and the coaches and the team's fans thought he'd be way better.' Sorry, expectations are set by the people watching, and based on past performance, and in this case VR came up way short.

A band thats happy with where they are as a band and is enjoying working together. Not to gain stronger comercial success by effectivly acting like "Yeah, that was a bad album we're all sorry, we're going to the studio now to show you what we CAN do".


What I meant by media and fans was worded really badly on my part. What I meant was that the media is such a whore and just blows things out of proportion and some fans (after reading hyped articles in mags/papers/news) judge material before hearing it hailing it as an instant classic. Then its released and they say how bad it is. Its the media that has already gave the band the 'supergroup' status, they havent had time to grow as a band into the supergroup shoes, so to speak. They are still growing as a band (despite three of them playing together years ago in Guns).

How are first week sales indicative of the quality of this album? if anything they are a testament to how little hype was generated and the quality of she builds quick machines as a single. The people buying it in the first week, for the most part, haven't heard any of the songs, and with it gaining much better reviews than contraband how could they be under the impression its a bad album.

Most people don't care about reviews.  How many movies get blasted by critics and still make boatloads of cash?  A lot.  The same thing in music.  Good or bad reviews from the media have been proven, repeatedly, in music, film, and other entertainment industries not to have much of an impact on sales. 

For a group like VR, sales do tell a story.  We're not talking about a one hit wonder that came out of nowhere and then vanished.  For any artist, if your debut album has strong sales and the followup tanks it says something.  Either most people who bought the first album didn't like it enough to spend money on the followup, or if they did they may have listened to the lead single or the entire album from either the official stream or the leaked version, and decided it wasn't worth spending their money on

Because people buy the album after reading reviews, hearing the first single and often times stealing the album a week or two in advance. Second week sales are going to be extremely low. I think I read somewhere 33,000. That's pathetic.

It hasn't sold as much as Contraband, we know that. But wait until The Last Fight comes out as the next single. With a good video, it could start selling again.
Bottom line is, even though it's not selling like Contraband, it's a solid album, and one, I am sure the band are fucking real proud of.

Bring on number three :smoking:

I would hope to hear a 3rd c.d., but I don't know if it will happen.? It's just a gut feeling that Slash wants out and Scott is into merch more than the band.? Slash could go anywhere and do his thing period.? I would never rule out Duff rejoining GnR.? Again this is just from reading some posts and interviews from VR members.? I hope they continue and I guess we'll see.? I'm on the fence with Libertad...Maybe it'll grow on me?? I haven't really listened to it to really say that it's better or as good as far as I'm concerned than Contraband.? I'm leaning towards Contraband right now though.?

There are a LOT more people who care about good reviews than they do about how something sells. Just because a record sells a lot doesn't mean it's anything worth a shit and the same goes for other media - a movie doing well at the box office doesn't mean it was anything good and a movie doing poorly doesn't mean it wasn't a good film.

If they're having fun then they'll do a third album.  I don't think the sales will effect anything. These guys aren't exactly what I'd call hard up for money, so its not going to make a difference either way.

If they're as dramatic as some of the posters on this board they might even pull Libertad from the shelves!   :hihi:


I think that's about right...

These guys haven't even started their tour yet and some people are anticipating the breakup. 

We Built Quick Machines: The Best of Velvet Revolver
something stupid like that. it will likely be a greatest hits with the best of both albums plus covers
i dont see a 3rd REAL recod anytime soon

2 albums is lame for a greatest hits. I seriously doubt that would happen. They wouldnt allow it. If it happened, it would be a label thing.

wonder what would happen if weilands solo album outsold libertad........

Then more people would own copies of his album than VR's. Thats all.
I doubt it would effect the band. Then again... I doubt even more that would actually happen.

The name Scott Weiland is pretty none-existant over where I am (just my opinion) I've talked about his previous solo album with no mention of other bands and people are genuinly clueless as to who he is and what he does.

(Thats not a dig at Scott... his solo album is one of the best albums I own, I love it. Im not into Pilots as much, but there are a few treasures thats for sure. Im glad hes around as an artist and person.)

I'm a fan of 12-Bar blues myself. Very good stuff.

what i meant was that if that would happen.. maybe scott will leave VR to pursue a solo career you know.. maybe even STP