Here Today... Gone To Hell!

So with the Japan shows ending on the 21st of July and no further shows confirmed, are we to assume that we will see a release date announced for September along with a Noth American tour?  Or will they announce a South American tour and do that before they announce a release date?  I figure this world tour that has been going on for a year now is just a little introduction of sorts of the new band and the fans...once they have covered the world they can release an album and most everyone will know "who" Guns N' Roses are now and the album will sell better worldwide!?!?!  So with the majority of the earth covered sans South America wouldn't it be conceivable that the World is ready for the album now?

I've been ready my whole adult life. The rest of the people who don't get it is a eeeh...little bit slow? *hehe*

Yes, the world is indeed ready - just had to regroup the GN'R army.....

Yeah, we have been waiting forever ?:hihi: , but what about the hoards of new fans who just saw Guns for the first time in the last year...this could have been a very long advertising campaign...kinda like running for President! ?:hihi: One that came to a sudden halt a few years back

there wil be no release date.if there were plans to release the album in september we would have a single mid or end of july.if the record company had the album by now we wud know also cause they wud anounce it and weve heard nothing.u heard richard fortus.they were looking at november,that shows how much hope we have for a release this year.it aint happin

Antarctica is an unexplored market!

south america hasnt had it's part of the shows yet, and africa is still "unplayed"
Russia and most of middle east havent had a single show yet, either.

they can keep on touring for years....

they still could release it late fall/winter; it'd be nice to have it under the tree... but, we'll see...

Southamerica is the ''must'' next step. Not only because GNR dont play Southamerica since 1993, but because here GNR have a massive number of fans willing to see them. Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Colombia.... in all these countries GNR can make stadium shows, and that is something very unlikely in other places of the world.

By the way, Gremio SUCKS  :rant:

^I'm with you there.
you guys deserve it.
South americans have been the biggest supporters of the band.
and 6 years after RIR you deserve a tour!

Without anything being said by the band I don't think it's too wise to speculate at this point. They could turn around and book tour dates through the year next week. I am not building myself up for anymore release dates until it comes Officially.

same here, right now i don't think of it that much.. it's do-able to live your life anyway

there are 23 weeks left in 2007.

My guess is (very unlikely to happen):

GNR gives a release date the last days of July. Promotion lasts from August to November, and the first single is released somewhere in september. The album comes the first days of November, and the Southamerican tour starts in Brazil. Then Colombia, Chile and Argentina. In the ''break time'' between August/November, GNR makes sporadical concerts, TV shows, etc.

I know this is more like a dream than a possibility, but if this happens >  :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:

I don't really know what to think anymore.  Del James who is very close to Axl stated directly on the official site that the recording is finished.  The mixing is underway.  But there's no word beyond that, and as far as we know the album hasn't been turned over to the record label. 

I wouldn't be surprised at all if they toured South America in the fall and the album didn't come out this year.  That actually seems pretty likely.  That said there's still plenty of time to realistically see a release.  If the mixes are finalized sometime between now and September the album can realistically come out this year.  If not, it's on to 2008

Which, unfortunately, is looking more and more likely with every silent week.

This thread is depressing... Well, Axl never said it would be out this year...except for the Mar.6th thing

Well, we can't get too pessimistic...it's possible that after Japan their focus is going to be on the album and marketing, singles and shit.  Let's just hope that this Tour hasn't been all for nothing!!!

Tour/album this fall/winter.....hmmm....i'v been saying this afew times in the last 7 years....but this time its going to happen... :hihi:

Hey, I'm hoping for that, along with tons of other fans here, but it's our past experiences. Last year, the album was supposed to come out, hence the tour. This year, it was supposed to come out in March, hence the tour...and now we haven't had an update since (April??) and it's looking like Axl's going to assfuck his fans once again.

I'll forgive all that if they come back to New Jersey again this year.

Yeah my guess would be similar, assuming everything else goes smoothly (which I know can be a big assumption) the first single being released in September, followed by an album sometime around November then kicking off another full on tour.

Although whether they will go immediately to South America I'm not so sure.  Although as someone else posted, there are massive amounts of GN'R fans there so it would be nice for them if they did go back there soon.  If the album drops and really takes off, I would assume they would be wanting to hit the US and European markets again pretty quick to capitalise on it. Although they may wait a bit for the spring/summer festivals in Europe etc which would be the ideal time to tour again - but that might be a bit long to wait if the album dropped in November.

Hmmm we could speculate for days/years on this.

It is so difficult to think what's going on. I suppose that after Japan dates they will return to US to finish the album.
After that, it is very probably they give some shows in south america, in the while, a single can be released, and for the end of the year we could have Chinese on the stores.

My impression is that Axl and the band need to be in the US/Europe when this record drops; there needs to be a mad rush of promotion because the footprint left behind by AFD and UYI will be hard to fill. Success or failure in the gunners' home market will certainly mean a lot to Universal; I have to believe they push the record hard in the run up. That requires the band's presence in the States, maybe even Europe.

nothing but speculation!!!  i for one havent listened to one single leak, only what has been played live.  i'm really holding out fo rthe album...although it is very difficult!!

I have a feeling this is true. 

What I think may happen is that they'll finish these dates, then start announcing South American tour dates shortly afterwards and then do an SA tour and the album won't be out until next year

Ideally they would have done a Mexico-South America-Australia-Japan tour, then returned in time to have the album released late this year.  At this point, it's either they keep touring and the album won't be out until 2008 or later, or they finish these dates, get those pesky "details" finalized and then start promoting the album

It's already July and that familiar "late, late fall" comes sooner than one could imagine... Somehow I don't believe the album to come out this year.

South American tour gets my bet too !

I'm confident of album activity after Japan. It makes sense as we know it was handed in for mixing and recording finished. So I'm staying confident about this. If it doesn't happen this year and they go on and tour USA and finish it without the album.. then not so.

I really think this albums is doomed or something. Must be some kinda legal shit preventing for it to come out. Sometimes I think: "fuck it, just ditch the gn'r name and release those great songs under Axl Rose band" But what do I know, not all that much.  :P Cool that they are touring again for sure! Must be great performing every night for alot of people!

Even with all the "shit" out there that kids are listening to these days, it will be #1 within one or two weeks.

If they were planning anymore shows for august wouldn't now be a good time to put out some concert dates...even promoting for september shows is starting to cut it close, don't you think!?!?!

Wasn't the album already finished and just being mixed?

According to Del James, yes.  It was reported on www.gunsnroses.com so I would trust this one.

Now as to how long that will take............your guess is as good as mine.

i just hope there will be more european dates! I really wanna see the band live again!  : ok:
For a release.. Anytime soon?  :yes: I still have the faith

yeah, but we`re still here, right?  : ok:
I really wonder whats been going on the last 4 years....

Don't we already have over half the album anyway?

In one form or another, things have probably changed, history has shown that they always do with this band!

Jonx

i have nothing against GNR going to South America and Europe in the near future, but you fuckers need to join the queue first befor you make demands like that.....SA is first in line...we need those shows first....and then the rest of you can have a piece of the GNR pie....ok...? :hihi:

Guns N' Roses Play In Canada In SEPTEMBER 2007

 8)

the prophecies are BACK :headbanger:  :hihi:

AJja.-- Not... The FONTS Are Back !!!

 8)

HBK *

We don't know that for sure. There were rumors of that about a month or so back and Richard did say they were looking into more Canadian shows this fall, but as of right now nothing is officially booked...

latest rumor:
some known radio (Radioactiva) here in Bogota, Colombia said last week: "the promoters are in negociations with GNR management in order to bring them here for the 1st week of December, all the info we know is that they (promoters) have pacted 80% of the negociation already"
also, there's another rumor (I think this one is totally bullshit) is that GN'R will be touring with Aerosmith by the end of the year

I agree the rumor probably isn't true, but a GNR-Aerosmith tour would be pretty cool.   : ok: 

I'd love to see the two bands play Mama Kin and Train Kept A' Rollin'.  Where did you hear this rumor?

well some user in my forum put that thing... but I bet my ass that is totally bullshit....
btw I think that GN'R will be touring here in South America with Baz

I Not Talk Of Richard.

HBK *

I'm just hoping for something in the end of 2007. I gotta hope that we don't get just total silence after these dates overseas are done.

Wow, I hope they'll be in South America soon, they have a lot of fans there waitin' for Robin Finck and his band mates.

now that i have the new VR i dont really care when it comes out....hopefully before the next VR album.

 :rofl: I sure hope that was a joke

I concur with original poster... With half the album in leak form and the new VR CD I'm not all that anxious.  There's no reason why it shouldn't come out in the second half of '07, but I wont care if they keep touring or stay silent.

Maybe Axl is deciding to release two albums simutaneously like the Illusions since everyone has heard 3/4 of the new songs anyway.  Chinese Democracy I & II  ???

I agree and have stated this in other threads, like many others too.? Maybe a live album and a new one together?? Who really knows?? At this point because everyones heard most of the newer stuff, that maybe songs we haven't heard before will be coming?? New guys new blood and talent, tends to bring new music.? We will just have to wait and see....

There are currently no tour plans after Japan.

The emphasis right now is on getting the new album out.

that's the fucking spirit!!! thanks mystie :-*

Sweeeeeeeeeeeet!!!!!!!

not even for december, like the guy above said? So, there will be not anymore dates for 2007?


that's cool!  : ok:

 :hihi:, yeah, you're right, except Here in Chile anyone knows Robin Finck....

@estebanf:

hopefully there will be tour dates when the record has a firm release date.. but let's not dig to deep in what mysteron said now

I hope to god that this plan pans out this time.

I hope we don't have to wait til November as was mentioned recently. I'd love it if September worked out.

Best fucking news i have heard in a long time : ok:

you are the only person who does not know?

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

HBK *

Sometime this decade, right?

you just made EVERYONE happy! :hihi:
THANKS.

I guess it'd make sence to release the album around X-Mass. Isn't that when labels like to release CDs?

I wished they wouldn`t go into an Xmas release; because that would mean that they postpone it into the next year for sure  :rofl: :rofl: which is at least another 4 or 5 months.

emphasis?

does that mean they`re working on putting it out or they`re actually putting it out?

garry said it best over at gnr2k

Not even buying fancy cars! Serious stuff then!  :o

thanks :hihi:

The Japan tour is ALMOST over!  Doesn't anyone think we might hear something very soon? I bet by the 1st week of August we'll hear something regarding the album's release. 

In the mean time, why be negative everybody?

^ because people likes to whine about something they hope for. IMO, it's a waste of time and makes gray hair grow. :P

It will happen. Everything leads to make it happen. Yes, they didn't make it in the past, but they didn't got at this stage before (recording done, mixing, sucessful tours with the new band...) and they WANT to release it.

Just sit and enjoy the ride while they set things up. I bet it's way better for your life than keep complaining over and over. When it's ready, we'll know. :)

I'm hoping that you're correct and we hear something very, very soon after the tour.

As for your last question: I've got no idea. I honestly think some folks enjoy it.

somebody can confirm this :
Gaylord Entertainment Center
Nashville, TN
Guns N' Roses    10/22/07

http://tickets.aol.com/venue.adp?country=us&localcity=Nashville&referrer=http%3a%2f%2fmusic%2eaol%2ecom%2fartist%2fguns%2dn%2droses%2f4416%2fmain&vid=110873287&brand=aolsvcboxoffice

This is the date the cancelled show had last year. Seems like a mistake by the site...


January n/a, 2007 - Nashville, TN @ Gaylord Entertainment Center [CANCELLED]
Setlist: Cancelled    
 
Notes: Originally scheduled for October 22nd, 2006.

Opening act: Sebastian Bach

Capacity: 18,500


Source: http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/tour/tour-na06-1.php

thanks

Since it's listed on the site with actual scheduled shows from this year, is there any chance at all that this might be happening?

I would also be expecting a single (or 2 / 3 ) and a video (or 2 / 3) or something after this tour, and then finally followed by the announcement of the official release of CD!

C'mon, it can't be so hard I believe? GN'R can't be such a special case I assume. Also, I think if nothing will happen after this tour they will loose again a lot of fans. I strongly think they already lost a lot of fans during the past 10 years (or better said, fans who gave up believing in Guns). With finally releasing new stuff they can win some back....and go back to the top of the rock n' roll world were they belong!

Maybe they are working on the video right now and they are getting set to announce something early September. 8)

did we hear anything?

LOOK....if its not this year, then............it will blow the Insanity Meter off the chart; it HAS to come out this year, right?!? ? ? ?right?!!





anyone.......? ? ? ?right?



anyone?



ummmm....................hhhmmm                 uughhh,   Lets go Yankees...its bottom of the ninth, tie game!!!!!!

I sent an email to my contact last week asking if anything was on Universal's schedule at this point for GNR. This is the response.... which unfortunately means nothing really:

"Hey Russ,

 

Sorry for the delay.  I was on vacation last week and am digging out of my e-mail messages.

 

Unfortunately I have no new release info for GNR.  I do not have complete release schedules for the rest of the year, stuff is always dropping in.  Wish I had something more concrete for you but nothing yet at this point.  It?s still possible it might fall into the schedule.  I?ll let you know what I hear, but at this point you will probably hear news before I do!

 

Good luck,

 

**

 

******* *****

UMD Artist Development Representative

Interscope/A&M Records

Detroit Region

248-***-**** - office

248-***-**** - fax

*******.*****@umusic.com
"

its just becoming.....obscene

It makes sense that GnR' release this album after their tour (which is to promote the band and the album) and before the end of the year. Not sure why they would dissapear for 6 months and let people think that this album will never be released. Not logical.

I hear that NASA'S next mission after exploring Planet Mars is to explore Planet Axl

THEN, you'd really see some heavy drinking by the Astronauts

The phrase "makes sense" and this new gnr project should never EVER be used in the same post!

to me the sudden silence hopefully means the band  must be "up to something".

at the end of the day tours make money and also cost money. axl doesn't seem like the kinda frontman who would just tour for the hell of it. i think there always was a point in the touring but along the way things have happened that have hampered the release of the album, and its been all smoke no fire.

the fact that we almost had weekly updats during the last tour and then nothing, hopefully doesn't mean there is nothing to report, but that there is work in progress.

which doesn't help the frustrations of the fans, a little press release would clear that up

I?m wondering why Merck said that last year, if we?re now almost in September ?07 and still no news about the album  ???

actually it's more like they updated their site every other day during the japan tour.

when it rains it pours. I wouldn't worry when it doesn't. sultry weather but it will rain again.

you get the idea though, a lot of updates and then silence

then you must get the idea too. silence, an update and then lots of updates. ;)

Couple questions

What makes sense in G&R world?

When does logic ever matter in G&R world?

there is still time to make a end of year release..no doubt it could hit stores in November  and more than likely thats probably what there trying to figure out now.. I expected this silence after the tour as everyone should have.

Same ol, same ol.  >:(

0 for 07 would be quite a disappointment. I am not quite sure why the early 07 shows were canceled now in retrospect.

they need to come make up for the nashville show that was cancelled :rant:

im sure they will at some point.
but now. lets wait for the first lightning from CD.
Then i guess they will get on the tourbuss agian!  : ok:

blah, blah, blah........

i just want the cd before i die!

you and the other 6 billion people in the world...


I Axls had a good 3 months between when the tour ended and when a possible release for 07 is possible...
And after all the last minute touches /mixing etc of last year.. I just can't see what could be holding it up any longer....

Logically it makes no sense... Its not like hes building the great wall of china, hes making an album called chinese democracy,
theres a difference, the first one is supposed to be hard, the second one shouldnt! :-\

breaking the great wall of china might take lots more time than building it.

Will we see it at all??
Oh boy........

All that is said was already said.
This situation is beyond being strange..... ::)

Axl has make some deal with the Devil in the Past. and he offered his Soul. The devils will take his Soul when he has Finished Chinesse Democracy the GNR 4th album.
So Chinesse Democracy will comes out when Axl is ready.

I guess he has it alive and kicking. The devil is dead.
besides, had they not been working on 2 albums at the same time?

i think the idea that they are actually recording and will release two albums, and that there has always been a plan, is complete BS.

yeah, i think they may have worked on maybe 30-40 ideas fro songs but no way doe 30 or 40 actual songs exist. these songs may / may not blossom over time though...

Hey all,

Didn't want to start a thread about this and wasn't sure the best place, so I figured this thread would suffice.

My band (Red Roses Black if you want to check us out) had a meeting with someone who works at Universal Canada's marketing department.  I was told me a couple of interesting things:

- there has been no news from the band to start any marketing; the album has not yet been received by the record company.  Thus Chinese Democracy as it stands now is not on any release schedule for Universal/Geffen.

- Supposedly last year, around December, someone from New York flew up to the Toronto office and played a few tracks to some of the upper brass.  It was understood at the time that the record wasn't done.  As for what tracks were played, it wasn't known.


They said they knew more, but wasn't allowed to say.  Whether he/she does know more or not I'm not sure, as he/she still thought Slash was in the band.  Anyway, take it for what it's worth, just thought I'd pass it along.

Cheers,

Andrew

Thanks for that : ok:  I can't believe someone from the record company doesn't realize Slash isn't in the band.  Do they read any rock magazines at all or just live under a rock?  Goes to show how out of touch those people can be sometimes.

It could be flipped the other way around.  Perhaps it just goes to show how much GNR is out of the limelight now.  Now if they had something to promote, that might change a bit.

You must be living on a deserted island.

Knew more but wernt allowed to say....... could be a legal matter then, possibly contract renegotiations, i somehow doubt the original 80s contract with Geffen is suited to the modern music buisness.... internet sales etc!

Who knows, good info though, basically confirms that Universal wont spend a $ until Axl has surrendered CD 100% complete to the label. Guess thats the price he has to pay for missing so many label deadlines! If he doesnt hand it in within the next 4 weeks then i think we can say goodbye to 07!

Jonx

So the label hasn't heard an 100% complete album yet.

it certainly would appear that way. if the album was "100%" complete, it would be in the hands of the record company, and be on some sort of release schedule. further to that the band would probably make an annoucement that the album had been turned over, and that it was now "out of their hands" to absolve them of blame for any further delays.

so yes i believe the record company haven't heard a100% complete album. to think otherwise is delusional.

So we need to get on Axl's back then...... and instill in him the "mojo" so the album may be complete!

How should we encorage him so he gets his ass into the studio?

Why?

The recording is done...

But you can make up your mind about that as you wish.

actually they worked on 80+ ideas for songs...
and in jan06  26 out of 32 were almost done...

maybe  4 songe they were working on weren't done but the rest, the 38 songs were done and needed no more work ......

wasn't it 70+ materials that ever got a mention in an old interview? 

as for the last december thing, that doesn't mean that much now because the recording was completed in early 07 and now I think they must be wrapping up the last minute promo details, video, etc. before they hand over the album.  IMO, this way when they do hand it over, there won't be any thing else in their control that will delay it again.

It'd be highly unusual, specially since the money to promote the album should come from the label and not Guns N' Roses.

It's a lot more likely that the album still isn't done.

32 - 26 = 6

Yes, it would take a while to complete 6 more songs...

I think it's pretty safe to say this will be another year without the album. We get to this time EVERY year and we say, "Oh it will be out late fall... it will be out in November... it will be out in time for Christmas, etc." We speculate and speculate about things that we aren't even 100% sure about all the time... and the funny thing is, we actually believe the things we say.

When Axl says the album IS DONE and is in the hands of the record company awaiting release... then I'll believe it. That won't be this year though. I've stopped being optimistic when it comes to this band because it's pointless. I just take whatever they give us, when they give it to us. SOME OF YOU are just setting yourselves up for ANOTHER big letdown. Then when the years over you'll start bashing the band like you do every year and hope for a spring or summer release.

EDIT: So I went back and looked to see when it was that Del James posted on GNR.com that the "album was complete" and in the mixing process. That was February 22 of this year. 6 months later... and nothing. It doesn't take 6 months to mix a fucking album. Wasn't that Del James article taken down like right away off of the official site or was that something else??

I don't think it's done yet. It was probably being mixed and Axl thought he could do something better here or there. The dudes a perfectionist to the millionth power... I don't think he's going to let go of "his baby" for a long time. It's already been a long time you say?? Of course it has... so what's another 6 months to a few years wait???

Bottom line... I hope I'm fucking wrong and I'll eat my words quite happily when the album is in my hand. I HOPE it does come out this year... but I'm just being realistic.

Rome was not built in a day!

Rome was probably built quicker than this album is being put together though...

Hopefully it will be better than Rome EVER was... and Rome used to be a force to be reckoned with.

Do you think its safe to say that IF we get some new tour dates soon that means the CD is almost ready to drop?? I think if we get no new dates its a BAD sign for this year..??

Good question... but honestly who knows?? So far in the past 5 years tour dates have been a bad sign because WE STILL DON'T HAVE AN ALBUM. We are all still waiting for a tour that is actually promoting an album that has an OFFICIAL release date set in stone. New tour dates could be good or bad... we just won't know until the tour is done or an announcement is made.

How come we Aussies are more up to speed with things?

Tour, rest, think, back in studio, release album, then tour again...

Maybe I should move to Australia?? We Americans don't really make much sense when it comes to anything that requires common sense.

Yes, a little less decadent!

"The Perils Of Rock N' Roll Decadence..."

Sorry I couldn't help myself.