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Title: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: von on July 07, 2007, 05:27:32 AM Some of the article...
On whether he ever wishes that he had the same understanding of personal problems that individuals struggle with a little earlier so that maybe other, more well-documented estrangements (i.e. GUNS N' ROSES singer Axl Rose), could have possibly been avoided: "Umm, I know what you're getting at. I just think that that experience is where I earned my understanding, you know? I mean I was fucked up then, and so a lot of all that shit kind of fed each other. The machine was just so big. There was no way out, and there were just so many yes-men, and there's a myriad of reasons. Mostly it's because it was out of control. I know I self-medicated my way through the entire 'Use Your Illusion' tours. It wasn't til it was done did I know I had a health problem, and I got sober. That's where I got a lot of experience in dealing with people and strange situations ? I got a crash course from '86 through '93, an expert education. There was a time where if it were up to me, I would have salvaged things, and even Slash tried many times. We all wanted to save it, it's not like we all walked up one day and said 'fuck you!' "You see, he (Axl) was a singer in this meteoric rock band that sort of captured the imagination and hit some sort of nerve with a whole reputation, and while every member of than band was important to making that happen, he was the singer. The focal point. I know that more yes-men came his way, and I think that soon your sense of reality gets a little eschewed, and that the real friends you have either change on you or those other people close them out. I can't speak for Axl now, and I haven't hung out with him for a real long time now, but a lot of this happened to me? but I wasn't the singer. So I was able to escape it. So yeah, it's sad, man." Here's the rest: http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=76251 Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: bart123 on July 07, 2007, 08:45:29 AM i love reading duff interviews.there is always sumthing intresting to read in them.it sucks big time that they culdnt get it going again.it was always well known that duff and slash tryed to get the guns going again but axl must be stuck so far up his own hole that he didnt want it.
Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: CheapJon on July 07, 2007, 08:58:41 AM but axl must be stuck so far up his own hole that he didnt want it. yeah it must have been like that ::) Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: MarioGunner on July 07, 2007, 12:03:12 PM You know, I think the problem sometimes is that a person thinks that he/she is enough for doing the job, that's when your perspectives go out of proportion and you lose sense of what really matters.
Like I've posted many other times though, it would have been cool, if Slash would have sort of "pleased" Axl in the desire of making commercial music, they would have eventually gone back to their roots and sooner than later they would have put out another great appetite like record... but I suppose, Slash was a little bit selfish too, and Axl, was definitely the more selfish of them all. Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: RageNirvanaNIN on July 07, 2007, 12:44:34 PM You know, I think the problem sometimes is that a person thinks that he/she is enough for doing the job, that's when your perspectives go out of proportion and you lose sense of what really matters. Like I've posted many other times though, it would have been cool, if Slash would have sort of "pleased" Axl in the desire of making commercial music, they would have eventually gone back to their roots and sooner than later they would have put out another great appetite like record... but I suppose, Slash was a little bit selfish too, and Axl, was definitely the more selfish of them all. The most nonchalant one was Izzy , man he got SO screwed in the mixing of UYI its BS. I mean yea , what your saying makes perfect sense had Axl played more bad ass rock n roll , and Slash and Co decided to try some of Axl's ideas it would've been great. I honestly think GNR wouldv'e been the BIGGEST rock band ever. But than again I'm pretty sure after Slash heard My World he was wondering where he has a part to play lol and not to mention you know Slash. I mean it's his style of guitar playing , it wouldn't have ever gone with what Axl was ( what IS he ) trying to make. Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: Ali on July 07, 2007, 01:51:00 PM You know, I think the problem sometimes is that a person thinks that he/she is enough for doing the job, that's when your perspectives go out of proportion and you lose sense of what really matters. Like I've posted many other times though, it would have been cool, if Slash would have sort of "pleased" Axl in the desire of making commercial music, they would have eventually gone back to their roots and sooner than later they would have put out another great appetite like record... but I suppose, Slash was a little bit selfish too, and Axl, was definitely the more selfish of them all. Axl wanted to make commercial music? Where the hell are you getting that from? Oh right, because the new GN'R music is so commercial! ::) I love it when fans make comments about an artists character as if they know them. Slash is selfish, but Axl was the most selfish :rofl: Ali Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: the dirt on July 07, 2007, 02:04:36 PM Oh right, because the new GN'R music is so commercial!? ::) I agree that OMG isn't that commercial. Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: ShotgunBlues1978 on July 07, 2007, 02:15:10 PM it was always well known that duff and slash tryed to get the guns going again but axl must be stuck so far up his own hole that he didnt want it. How's that well known again? According to Slash and Duff that's the case. According to Axl the other guys weren't willing to make the necessary effort to push themselves to the next level. The truth probably lies somewhere in between Nothing is "well known" about the situation by outsiders except that they had differing visions of which direction they should go musically. The writing was on the wall during the UYI sessions, when Axl had to go to great lengths to get these guys to contribute to songs he'd written like November Rain and Estranged Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: bart123 on July 07, 2007, 02:32:01 PM it was always well known that duff and slash tryed to get the guns going again but axl must be stuck so far up his own hole that he didnt want it. How's that well known again?? According to Slash and Duff that's the case.? According to Axl the other guys weren't willing to make the necessary effort to push themselves to the next level.? The truth probably lies somewhere in between Nothing is "well known" about the situation by outsiders except that they had differing visions of which direction they should go musically.? The writing was on the wall during the UYI sessions, when Axl had to go to great lengths to get these guys to contribute to songs he'd written like November Rain and Estranged i highly dont believe axl on that 1 that slash and duff wouldnt make the necessary effort to push themselves to the next level.two of them combined have released heaps of material since departing from gnr.slash has worked with nearly every solo artist around.duff has had solo bands and released albums,while axl sat on his hole for 7 years 1993-2000 in his mansion in malibu and has not released a single piece of new material apart from oh my god.and now we are still here in 2007,the only difference this time is there touring but there is still no album.i think axl is the 1 with the problem trying to push himself to the next level and work. Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: ShotgunBlues1978 on July 07, 2007, 02:38:32 PM i highly dont believe axl on that 1 that slash and duff wouldnt make the necessary effort to push themselves to the next level.two of them combined have released heaps of material since departing from gnr.slash has worked with nearly every solo artist around.duff has had solo bands and released albums,while axl sat on his hole for 7 years 1993-2000 in his mansion in malibu and has not released a single piece of new material apart from oh my god.and now we are still here in 2007,the only difference this time is there touring but there is still no album.i think axl is the 1 with the problem trying to push himself to the next level and work. They've released a lot of material, which in my opinion and many others doesn't even come close to approaching the level of the stuff they made in GnR. Releasing material has nothing to do with pushing yourself to produce the best material you're capable of producing Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: bart123 on July 07, 2007, 02:42:46 PM i highly dont believe axl on that 1 that slash and duff wouldnt make the necessary effort to push themselves to the next level.two of them combined have released heaps of material since departing from gnr.slash has worked with nearly every solo artist around.duff has had solo bands and released albums,while axl sat on his hole for 7 years 1993-2000 in his mansion in malibu and has not released a single piece of new material apart from oh my god.and now we are still here in 2007,the only difference this time is there touring but there is still no album.i think axl is the 1 with the problem trying to push himself to the next level and work. They've released a lot of material, which in my opinion and many others doesn't even come close to approaching the level of the stuff they made in GnR.? Releasing material has nothing to do with pushing yourself to produce the best material you're capable of producing axl probally is pushing himself to make the best material possible but its still not gonna be gud enough cause its not gonna live up to 15 years hype and all the talk surrounding it and the current band members arent up to level par with slash duff and matt. Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: ShotgunBlues1978 on July 07, 2007, 03:00:11 PM axl probally is pushing himself to make the best material possible but its still not gonna be gud enough cause its not gonna live up to 15 years hype and all the talk surrounding it and the current band members arent up to level par with slash duff and matt. Again your comments are irrelevant. Releasing material is irrelevant to whether or not you push yourself to make the best music you can. It's very easy to release half-hearted albums, musicians do it all the time. The comment you just made is also totally irrelevant to the conversation at hand. The amount of time it's taken to record CD, and whether or not the album is good in your eyes, has nothing to do with the possibility that Slash and Duff's desire (or lack thereof) to push themsleves to the limit may have had something to do with their problems with Axl and their departure from GnR. This type of stuff is why you got banned from chinesedemocracy.com. You kept making irrelevant, inflamatory comments and like saying Libertad was better than anything Axl could do and then admitting later that you hadn't even heard Libertad : ok: Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: bart123 on July 07, 2007, 03:00:58 PM and another point while were talking bout it how hard did axl want slash and duff to push themselves.they had just contribuited to november rain and estranged.november rain is probally 1 of the greatest ballads ever made.a song like that can only be done once or twice at most.i dont think u can go higher at pushing urself further than the likes of november rain and estranged.and where are u coming from saying i got banned from chinease democracy.com i have never been a member of that sight???????but i am thinking bout joining
Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: estebanf on July 07, 2007, 03:05:29 PM it was always well known that duff and slash tryed to get the guns going again but axl must be stuck so far up his own hole that he didnt want it. How's that well known again? According to Slash and Duff that's the case. According to Axl the other guys weren't willing to make the necessary effort to push themselves to the next level. The truth probably lies somewhere in between Nothing is "well known" about the situation by outsiders except that they had differing visions of which direction they should go musically. The writing was on the wall during the UYI sessions, when Axl had to go to great lengths to get these guys to contribute to songs he'd written like November Rain and Estranged i highly dont believe axl on that 1 that slash and duff wouldnt make the necessary effort to push themselves to the next level. well, its quite obvious for me: Slash and Duff were recording ''Estranged'', ''Coma'' and ''November Rain'' while they were next to Axl. Now they are putting ''She Builds Quick Machines'' as first single of their last album. If they were still united, and if Axl wasn't a ''dictator'', maybe ''She Builds Quick Machines'' could be a GUNS N' ROSES song... you want that? Axl's ''dictatorship'' was the best thing ever happened for GNR. At least, musically. Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: Wheres Izzy on July 07, 2007, 03:11:03 PM As far as Duff and Slash not being motivated enough it could have had a lot to do with drug use. By all accounts they were both incredibly fucked up back then and Axl wasn't. How many highly motivated junkies do you know? I know pot-heads who won't get a job, let alone the heavy shit.
Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: ShotgunBlues1978 on July 07, 2007, 03:11:44 PM and another point while were talking bout it how hard did axl want slash and duff to push themselves.they had just contribuited to november rain and estranged.november rain is probally 1 of the greatest ballads ever made.a song like that can only be done once or twice at most.i dont think u can go higher at pushing urself further than the likes of november rain and estranged.and where are u coming from saying i got banned from chinease democracy.com i have never been a member of that sight???????but i am thinking bout joining You can't necessarily go higher than those songs, but you can push yourself to try to outdo yourself which is where they and Axl differed. It's also worth noting that NR and Estranged were songs that Axl wrote and apparently had to basically force them into doing by threatening not to do the songs they wrote if they wouldn't contribute to his As for the CD.com thing, there was a guy there named "bar123" who was banned from that site like a day before you started posting here. His commentary and views were pretty similar too. That'd be a pretty decent coincidence if it was someone else Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: ShotgunBlues1978 on July 07, 2007, 03:14:08 PM As far as Duff and Slash not being motivated enough it could have had a lot to do with drug use. By all accounts they were both incredibly fucked up back then and Axl wasn't. How many highly motivated junkies do you know? I know pot-heads who won't get a job, let alone the heavy shit. Very fair point. All I'm saying is that the truth probably lies somewhere between what Axl says and what Duff and Slash say. I think it's unfair that everybody automatically believes Axl is totally at fault and Duff and Slash are not to blame at all. I'll admit that in the past I even fell into this trap as well simply because I wasn't as well informed as I am now, the media blamed Axl, the ex-members blamed him, and he remained silent for the most part. In fact nobody except for the bandmembers themselves and maybe a few close to the situation know for sure what happened. The one thing that us outsiders know is basically true is that their visions and motivations were just too different to coincide Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: bart123 on July 07, 2007, 03:16:00 PM it was always well known that duff and slash tryed to get the guns going again but axl must be stuck so far up his own hole that he didnt want it. How's that well known again?? According to Slash and Duff that's the case.? According to Axl the other guys weren't willing to make the necessary effort to push themselves to the next level.? The truth probably lies somewhere in between Nothing is "well known" about the situation by outsiders except that they had differing visions of which direction they should go musically.? The writing was on the wall during the UYI sessions, when Axl had to go to great lengths to get these guys to contribute to songs he'd written like November Rain and Estranged i highly dont believe axl on that 1 that slash and duff wouldnt make the necessary effort to push themselves to the next level. well, its quite obvious for me: Slash and Duff were recording ''Estranged'', ''Coma'' and ''November Rain'' while they were next to Axl. Now they are putting ''She Builds Quick Machines'' as first single of their last album. If they were still united, and if Axl wasn't a ''dictator'', maybe ''She Builds Quick Machines'' could be a GUNS N' ROSES song... you want that? Axl's ''dictatorship'' was the best thing ever happened for GNR. At least, musically. how is axls dictatorship the best thing to happin to gnr musically.they havent released anything in 15 years.when rolling stone heard it in 2000 they said it sounded like grafitti(or sumthing to that extent),and also supposidly record officials heard the album in around 2001-2002,and sujjested to axl to make sum changes.thats why the process has taken so long. Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: Naupis on July 07, 2007, 03:16:03 PM Quote Axl wrote and apparently had to basically force them into doing by threatening not to do the songs they wrote if they wouldn't contribute to his In my neck of the woods they call that a compromise. A little more of that type of thinking from Axl/Slash instead of it being all or nothing probably would have saved the band. Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: ShotgunBlues1978 on July 07, 2007, 03:23:09 PM when rolling stone heard it in 2000 they said it sounded like grafitti(or sumthing to that extent) They said it sounded like Physical Graffiti, the Zeppelin album, remixed by Beck and Trent Reznor. That's actually one hell of a compliment Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: Wheres Izzy on July 07, 2007, 03:42:10 PM As far as Duff and Slash not being motivated enough it could have had a lot to do with drug use. By all accounts they were both incredibly fucked up back then and Axl wasn't. How many highly motivated junkies do you know? I know pot-heads who won't get a job, let alone the heavy shit. Very fair point.? All I'm saying is that the truth probably lies somewhere between what Axl says and what Duff and Slash say.? I think it's unfair that everybody automatically believes Axl is totally at fault and Duff and Slash are not to blame at all.? I'll admit that in the past I even fell into this trap as well simply because I wasn't as well informed as I am now, the media blamed Axl, the ex-members blamed him, and he remained silent for the most part. In fact nobody except for the bandmembers themselves and maybe a few close to the situation know for sure what happened.? The one thing that us outsiders know is basically true is that their visions and motivations were just too different to coincide I agree 100%. I wasn't absolving Duff and Slash from any guilt by saying it may have been the drugs hindering them. Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: Jim Bob on July 07, 2007, 04:19:39 PM I agree 100%. I wasn't absolving Duff and Slash from any guilt by saying it may have been the drugs hindering them. Drugs are no excuse If they were still united, and if Axl wasn't a ''dictator'', maybe ''She Builds Quick Machines'' could be a GUNS N' ROSES song... you want that? well said. thank god Axl has the talented musicans in the band he has now. I wuldn't trade them for the old guys for shit. They can continue to make mediocre "hits" like She Builds Quick Machines.Axl's ''dictatorship'' was the best thing ever happened for GNR. At least, musically. Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: Wheres Izzy on July 07, 2007, 04:43:53 PM I agree 100%. I wasn't absolving Duff and Slash from any guilt by saying it may have been the drugs hindering them. Drugs are no excuse Thats what I said. Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: Verasa on July 07, 2007, 07:36:03 PM As far as Duff and Slash not being motivated enough it could have had a lot to do with drug use. By all accounts they were both incredibly fucked up back then and Axl wasn't. How many highly motivated junkies do you know? I know pot-heads who won't get a job, let alone the heavy shit. Very fair point.? All I'm saying is that the truth probably lies somewhere between what Axl says and what Duff and Slash say.? I think it's unfair that everybody automatically believes Axl is totally at fault and Duff and Slash are not to blame at all.? I'll admit that in the past I even fell into this trap as well simply because I wasn't as well informed as I am now, the media blamed Axl, the ex-members blamed him, and he remained silent for the most part. In fact nobody except for the bandmembers themselves and maybe a few close to the situation know for sure what happened.? The one thing that us outsiders know is basically true is that their visions and motivations were just too different to coincide 100% Agree.. Slash and Duff have been really nice lately......and for the first time in my life, I heard say slash say he might be of partial fault Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: Ali on July 07, 2007, 11:35:21 PM As far as Duff and Slash not being motivated enough it could have had a lot to do with drug use. By all accounts they were both incredibly fucked up back then and Axl wasn't. How many highly motivated junkies do you know? I know pot-heads who won't get a job, let alone the heavy shit. Very fair point. All I'm saying is that the truth probably lies somewhere between what Axl says and what Duff and Slash say. I think it's unfair that everybody automatically believes Axl is totally at fault and Duff and Slash are not to blame at all. I'll admit that in the past I even fell into this trap as well simply because I wasn't as well informed as I am now, the media blamed Axl, the ex-members blamed him, and he remained silent for the most part. In fact nobody except for the bandmembers themselves and maybe a few close to the situation know for sure what happened. The one thing that us outsiders know is basically true is that their visions and motivations were just too different to coincide 100% Agree.. Slash and Duff have been really nice lately......and for the first time in my life, I heard say slash say he might be of partial fault There are very few things in life that are black and white. Assuming that one party or another is completely responsible is just naive. It's nice to hear Slash accept some responsibility for what happened to the old Guns. I have been a fan for 19 years, and I have never, ever heard him take part of the responsibility before. Ali Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: ZRO on July 08, 2007, 02:17:13 AM it was always well known that duff and slash tryed to get the guns going again but axl must be stuck so far up his own hole that he didnt want it. How's that well known again? According to Slash and Duff that's the case. According to Axl the other guys weren't willing to make the necessary effort to push themselves to the next level. The truth probably lies somewhere in between Nothing is "well known" about the situation by outsiders except that they had differing visions of which direction they should go musically. The writing was on the wall during the UYI sessions, when Axl had to go to great lengths to get these guys to contribute to songs he'd written like November Rain and Estranged i highly dont believe axl on that 1 that slash and duff wouldnt make the necessary effort to push themselves to the next level. well, its quite obvious for me: Slash and Duff were recording ''Estranged'', ''Coma'' and ''November Rain'' while they were next to Axl. Now they are putting ''She Builds Quick Machines'' as first single of their last album. If they were still united, and if Axl wasn't a ''dictator'', maybe ''She Builds Quick Machines'' could be a GUNS N' ROSES song... you want that? Axl's ''dictatorship'' was the best thing ever happened for GNR. At least, musically. Yeah, instead we've waited 15 years for MASTERPIECES like "Better", "Oh My God", "IRS", "Silkworms", etc. Good thing Slash and Duff weren't around to screw up such musical mastery. ::) Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: Rose Democracy on July 08, 2007, 02:39:56 AM it was always well known that duff and slash tryed to get the guns going again but axl must be stuck so far up his own hole that he didnt want it. How's that well known again?? According to Slash and Duff that's the case.? According to Axl the other guys weren't willing to make the necessary effort to push themselves to the next level.? The truth probably lies somewhere in between Nothing is "well known" about the situation by outsiders except that they had differing visions of which direction they should go musically.? The writing was on the wall during the UYI sessions, when Axl had to go to great lengths to get these guys to contribute to songs he'd written like November Rain and Estranged i highly dont believe axl on that 1 that slash and duff wouldnt make the necessary effort to push themselves to the next level. well, its quite obvious for me: Slash and Duff were recording ''Estranged'', ''Coma'' and ''November Rain'' while they were next to Axl. Now they are putting ''She Builds Quick Machines'' as first single of their last album. If they were still united, and if Axl wasn't a ''dictator'', maybe ''She Builds Quick Machines'' could be a GUNS N' ROSES song... you want that? Axl's ''dictatorship'' was the best thing ever happened for GNR. At least, musically. Yeah, instead we've waited 15 years for MASTERPIECES like "Better", "Oh My God", "IRS", "Silkworms", etc. Good thing Slash and Duff weren't around to screw up such musical mastery.? ::) Are you kidding right? Come on Better it's a really good song , OMG and IRS rocks dude. Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: ZRO on July 08, 2007, 02:49:49 AM Not really.
Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: bart123 on July 08, 2007, 10:45:56 AM all in all i really think slash and duff would have pushed themselves to the next level.why wouldnt they,they did it on the illuision records,wat would have stopped them from doing it again.i think this was just a excuse from axl.i know axl isnt to blame for everything about the break up and that slash and duff are at fault as wel.sure slash just admitted in a recent interview that he is to blame as wel.but i really do think axl put a nail in the coffin of the old gnr and that he is a major control freak.the new members have been waiting years for this album to come out,do u really think slash and duff would work that long on a album.look at in 1989 when axl said sighn over the rights of gnr to him that is wanting full control(a control freak)i think he had a cheek for saying that to slash and duff.they are needed just as much in gnr as axl,look at every review u read of a gnr concert these days,its always(its not the same band wit-out ex members)and its true.
Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: stolat on July 08, 2007, 10:57:52 AM Unfortunately Duff and Slash were unable to 'push themselves to the next level' as they both had addictions to deal with.
Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: Rocker_GNR on July 08, 2007, 11:28:59 AM it was always well known that duff and slash tryed to get the guns going again but axl must be stuck so far up his own hole that he didnt want it. How's that well known again?? According to Slash and Duff that's the case.? According to Axl the other guys weren't willing to make the necessary effort to push themselves to the next level.? The truth probably lies somewhere in between Nothing is "well known" about the situation by outsiders except that they had differing visions of which direction they should go musically.? The writing was on the wall during the UYI sessions, when Axl had to go to great lengths to get these guys to contribute to songs he'd written like November Rain and Estranged i highly dont believe axl on that 1 that slash and duff wouldnt make the necessary effort to push themselves to the next level. well, its quite obvious for me: Slash and Duff were recording ''Estranged'', ''Coma'' and ''November Rain'' while they were next to Axl. Now they are putting ''She Builds Quick Machines'' as first single of their last album. If they were still united, and if Axl wasn't a ''dictator'', maybe ''She Builds Quick Machines'' could be a GUNS N' ROSES song... you want that? Axl's ''dictatorship'' was the best thing ever happened for GNR. At least, musically. Sure, why not?, if Axl put "My world" in Use your Illusions II, or "Shutgun Blues"... Anyway, I am sure would be exciting hearing songs as "Slither", "You got no right", "Sucker train Blues", "Loving tha Alien", Set me Free", "Let it Roll", "Gravedancer", "American man", "Just Sixteen" performed by Axl, OR , hear song as "The blues", "Madagascar", IRS", "Catcher in the rye" by Axl/Slash/Duff/Matt....How you can see, we would have an Use your Illusion part III; but Axl and intransigence has not limit. He destroyed a legend to build a circus band what does not convince at all... Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: fuckin crazy on July 08, 2007, 11:46:45 AM Unfortunately Duff and Slash were unable to 'push themselves to the next level' as they both had addictions to deal with. Everyone had addictions to deal with ... and still do. Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: ShotgunBlues1978 on July 08, 2007, 01:10:51 PM it was always well known that duff and slash tryed to get the guns going again but axl must be stuck so far up his own hole that he didnt want it. How's that well known again? According to Slash and Duff that's the case. According to Axl the other guys weren't willing to make the necessary effort to push themselves to the next level. The truth probably lies somewhere in between Nothing is "well known" about the situation by outsiders except that they had differing visions of which direction they should go musically. The writing was on the wall during the UYI sessions, when Axl had to go to great lengths to get these guys to contribute to songs he'd written like November Rain and Estranged i highly dont believe axl on that 1 that slash and duff wouldnt make the necessary effort to push themselves to the next level. well, its quite obvious for me: Slash and Duff were recording ''Estranged'', ''Coma'' and ''November Rain'' while they were next to Axl. Now they are putting ''She Builds Quick Machines'' as first single of their last album. If they were still united, and if Axl wasn't a ''dictator'', maybe ''She Builds Quick Machines'' could be a GUNS N' ROSES song... you want that? Axl's ''dictatorship'' was the best thing ever happened for GNR. At least, musically. Yeah, instead we've waited 15 years for MASTERPIECES like "Better", "Oh My God", "IRS", "Silkworms", etc. Good thing Slash and Duff weren't around to screw up such musical mastery. ::) Are you kidding right? Come on Better it's a really good song , OMG and IRS rocks dude. Don't listen to this guy. Buy his criteria, You're Crazy, Back Off Bitch, Dead Horse, Breakdown, Locomotive, Estranged and You Could Be Mine are all "emo" and Axl's "whole record" is emo because any song about exes or past relationships is automatically an "emo" song. He also said that the song Just 16 has "great lyrics". Just to give you an idea about his taste in music. Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: ZRO on July 08, 2007, 03:52:30 PM it was always well known that duff and slash tryed to get the guns going again but axl must be stuck so far up his own hole that he didnt want it. How's that well known again? According to Slash and Duff that's the case. According to Axl the other guys weren't willing to make the necessary effort to push themselves to the next level. The truth probably lies somewhere in between Nothing is "well known" about the situation by outsiders except that they had differing visions of which direction they should go musically. The writing was on the wall during the UYI sessions, when Axl had to go to great lengths to get these guys to contribute to songs he'd written like November Rain and Estranged i highly dont believe axl on that 1 that slash and duff wouldnt make the necessary effort to push themselves to the next level. well, its quite obvious for me: Slash and Duff were recording ''Estranged'', ''Coma'' and ''November Rain'' while they were next to Axl. Now they are putting ''She Builds Quick Machines'' as first single of their last album. If they were still united, and if Axl wasn't a ''dictator'', maybe ''She Builds Quick Machines'' could be a GUNS N' ROSES song... you want that? Axl's ''dictatorship'' was the best thing ever happened for GNR. At least, musically. Yeah, instead we've waited 15 years for MASTERPIECES like "Better", "Oh My God", "IRS", "Silkworms", etc. Good thing Slash and Duff weren't around to screw up such musical mastery. ::) Are you kidding right? Come on Better it's a really good song , OMG and IRS rocks dude. Don't listen to this guy. Buy his criteria, You're Crazy, Back Off Bitch, Dead Horse, Breakdown, Locomotive, Estranged and You Could Be Mine are all "emo" and Axl's "whole record" is emo because any song about exes or past relationships is automatically an "emo" song. He also said that the song Just 16 has "great lyrics". Just to give you an idea about his taste in music. 1.) You're wrong. 2.) It does have great lyrics. If you don't think so, you're probably a moron. Anymore questions? Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: Verse Chorus Verse on July 08, 2007, 04:02:18 PM A song about a teacher sucking off a student, yeah, that's real lyrical mastery.
Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: ShotgunBlues1978 on July 08, 2007, 04:08:44 PM 1.) You're wrong. 2.) It does have great lyrics. If you don't think so, you're probably a moron. Anymore questions? Yes, actually. Are you just a troll, or do you just have the most ignorant and misinformed opinions humanly possible? Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: ZRO on July 08, 2007, 04:10:28 PM A song about a teacher sucking off a student, yeah, that's real lyrical mastery. What is your opinion of "lyrical mastery"? Every song doesn't have to be November Rain. Sometimes the best and most effective lyrics are those that tell a simple story (see: Just 16) Or, in GNR terms, something like My Michelle. 1.) You're wrong. 2.) It does have great lyrics. If you don't think so, you're probably a moron. Anymore questions? Yes, actually. Are you just a troll, or do you just have the most ignorant and misinformed opinions humanly possible? Daring to think that the NuGNR tripe isn't among the greatest music ever recorded means I'm ignorant and misinformed? REALLY? You must not get out much, because most people outside of HTGTH feel the same way. Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: ShotgunBlues1978 on July 08, 2007, 04:13:14 PM Daring to think that the NuGNR tripe isn't among the greatest music ever recorded means I'm ignorant and misinformed? REALLY? You must not get out much, because most people outside of HTGTH feel the same way. Saying that any song written about an ex-lover is "emo" and that Just 16 has great lyrics is pretty ignorant and misinformed. Yes indeed Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: ZRO on July 08, 2007, 04:17:56 PM Daring to think that the NuGNR tripe isn't among the greatest music ever recorded means I'm ignorant and misinformed? REALLY? You must not get out much, because most people outside of HTGTH feel the same way. Saying that any song written about an ex-lover is "emo" and that Just 16 has great lyrics is pretty ignorant and misinformed. Yes indeed I didn't say one song about an ex-lover makes you emo, but when that subject tends to take over as the dominant theme of your album, or at least what we've heard of your album (as seems to be the case with Chinese Democracy), then yeah, I'd call that emo. And yes, Just 16 has great lyrics. I suppose you're allowed to have your opinion, even though it's wrong. I'm not sure what you're looking for? A shakesperean sonnet? A Robert Frost poem? It's rock n roll, dude. Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: ShotgunBlues1978 on July 08, 2007, 04:26:39 PM I didn't say one song about an ex-lover makes you emo, but when that subject tends to take over as the dominant theme of your album, or at least what we've heard of your album (as seems to be the case with Chinese Democracy), then yeah, I'd call that emo. So in other words you'd consider a large chunk of rock music, R&B/soul, blues, Latin music, country music, etc to be emo. Such commentary really shows how limited your knowledge of music is. Songs about heartbreak and lost love have been prominent in music basically since music has been around. What you call "emo", in the way you're using it has been around since like the 90's. So your opinion on the matter would certainly qualify as ignorant and uninformed If you consider Just 16 to have great lyrics then you must think that about 99.9% of rock songs with simple and coherent lyrics to have great lyrics as well Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: ZRO on July 08, 2007, 04:42:30 PM I didn't say one song about an ex-lover makes you emo, but when that subject tends to take over as the dominant theme of your album, or at least what we've heard of your album (as seems to be the case with Chinese Democracy), then yeah, I'd call that emo. So in other words you'd consider a large chunk of rock music, R&B/soul, blues, Latin music, country music, etc to be emo. Such commentary really shows how limited your knowledge of music is. Songs about heartbreak and lost love have been prominent in music basically since music has been around. What you call "emo", in the way you're using it has been around since like the 90's. So your opinion on the matter would certainly qualify as ignorant and uninformed Yes, songs about it have been prominant. There's a difference between writing a song about a lost love and basing your entire album around that theme. That's the difference between the "emo" genre of music and a musician putting one love song on an album. "Emo" isn't just about lost loves/broken hearts, it's songs whining about life in general. Quote If you consider Just 16 to have great lyrics then you must think that about 99.9% of rock songs with simple and coherent lyrics to have great lyrics as well What the hell is the point of continuing to bring this up? You aren't going to convince me that Just 16 doesn't have great lyrics. I like the song, you don't. If you're going to keep whining about it I'll get you a tissue. Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: Verse Chorus Verse on July 08, 2007, 04:44:00 PM You can like the song and admit it's lyrics suck. I like the song, but I don't go around parading it like it's a masterpiece.
Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: ZRO on July 08, 2007, 04:46:10 PM You can like the song and admit it's lyrics suck. I like the song, but I don't go around parading it like it's a masterpiece. I don't recall ever saying Just 16 was a masterpiece. Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: ShotgunBlues1978 on July 08, 2007, 05:09:36 PM Yes, songs about it have been prominant. There's a difference between writing a song about a lost love and basing your entire album around that theme. That's the difference between the "emo" genre of music and a musician putting one love song on an album. "Emo" isn't just about lost loves/broken hearts, it's songs whining about life in general. So all NIN albums are emo then. Interesting. Your transparent attempts to slam Axl are really pathetic actually. You said one love song, well GnR' has always had a lot more than one of those on their albums so let's do a little math. The UYI albums have 29 real songs, My World don't really count. Don't Cry twice, alternate lyrics about the same subject. So cut it to 28 songs. If "emo" as you put it is songs that contain a fair share of lyrics "whining" or lamenting about former loves/broken relationships/being lonely then the following songs off UYI could fall under that category -You Been The First -Back Off Bitch -Dead Horse -14 Years -Locomotive -Estranged -You Could Be Mine If "emo" as you put it is "whining about life in general" which I guess means it has lyrics discussing basically being isolated/disillusioned/cynical about society and people and everything else, then these UYI songs would be "emo", and you combine it with your other definition then these songs are "emo" -Right Next Door To Hell -Perfect Crime -You Ain't The First -Back Off Bitch -Bad Obsession -Double Talkin Jive -Garden Of Eden -Don't Damn Me -Bad Apples -Dead Horse -Coma -Civil War -14 Years -Get In The Ring -Breakdown -Locomotive -Estranged -You Could Be Mine Congratulations, using your definition that an emo song is a song either talking about an ex or a lost lover, or "whining about life"/talking about being disillusioned or isolated or alone or pissed off, 18 of the 28 "real" songs on the UYI albums would qualify as emo by your calculations. So GnR must have been an emo band during the UYI era. Going by your criteria. Funny Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: ZRO on July 08, 2007, 05:48:26 PM Oh heavens, I guess you're right. I'm going to go burn my UYI CD's now. Thankfully I still have Libertad to listen to.
Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: ShotgunBlues1978 on July 08, 2007, 06:14:59 PM Oh heavens, I guess you're right. I'm going to go burn my UYI CD's now. Thankfully I still have Libertad to listen to. Might want to burn Contraband as well. A lot of the lyrics were "whining" about various problems in life, including ( :o ) relationships Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: D on July 08, 2007, 08:42:53 PM all music is EMO
Title: Re: Duff, "I would have salvaged things [with Axl]" Post by: Drope on July 09, 2007, 01:04:11 AM This story is very sad. I mean, haveing the hottest band on the earth falling to pieces because of a disagreement on a musical direction. It's awful, but it had to happen sometime. Sad but true.
In my opinion this is just natural. In a musical view of this situation, no one is "guilty" of anything. Every musican has his influences, his view of music, the future, etc; and in this band they were just impossible to match. And I don't think that a guy like Slash wolud like to be "under orders", plus playing what he didn't wanted to. And then the whole shit came. I personally think that the differences between personalities were obviously huge, but not that big as to stop a relationship and creating this atmosphere of hate all over a dacade and counting. I mean, a period of distance is normal, but such a long time with this smell of shit is not that normal. So, after all this I think that real guilties of this awful atmosphere are us, as fans allways confronting this ex-bandmates. I think that without all the press that "Axl vs ex-gunners" has, the relationship could have been better. I don't mean "friends", which is impossible; but some "sitting and solve some things" could have happened. I don't know. Maybe, and really possibly, I'm wrong; but is what I think of all this shity situation. PS: Sorry 'bout my english :P |