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Title: messages fan made video..
Post by: mikegiuliana on July 04, 2007, 05:41:29 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pjV1Ah6rNM

My first time hearing the song, being it's not on the album I figure others haven't.. Damn good song.. Sad video though..


Title: Re: messages fan made video..
Post by: Dayle1066 on July 04, 2007, 09:56:38 AM
That song is just unbelievable


Title: Re: messages fan made video..
Post by: mikegiuliana on July 04, 2007, 10:26:50 AM
That song is just unbelievable

the guitar in his hands sounds like a birth right... Scott weiland sounds great, his voice is great imo..


Title: Re: messages fan made video..
Post by: Smoking Guns on July 04, 2007, 11:52:51 PM
Sad as hell.  Brilliant song.


Title: Re: messages fan made video..
Post by: mikegiuliana on July 05, 2007, 03:43:25 AM
Sad as hell.? Brilliant song.

those are my feelings..


Title: Re: messages fan made video..
Post by: Ines_rocks! on July 05, 2007, 08:14:52 AM
omfg this song is fucking brilliant! first time I?m hearing it. This had to be on the album... it tops every slow song on it, even Last Fight wich I love.


Title: Re: messages fan made video..
Post by: faldor on July 05, 2007, 09:55:41 PM
I agree, it's a fantastic song.  A shame it's not on the album.  The first time I heard the song I didn't think it was anything THAT special.  After reading everyone's glowing commentary on the song I guess my expectations were through the roof.  But now I can't stop listening to it.  Great tune.  Slash is showcased perfectly, like he should be.  And Scott is great on it too.

How much is known about this song?  I really haven't read that much about it.  Why it didn't make the album?  And is it known that it's about 9/11?  Or is that just someone's interpretation?

Regardless, it's currently my favorite song.  Last week "Last Fight" held that spot, keep'em coming.


Title: Re: messages fan made video..
Post by: gnrvr. on July 05, 2007, 10:06:18 PM
Thats a cool video


Title: Re: messages fan made video..
Post by: Verse Chorus Verse on July 05, 2007, 10:20:08 PM
I agree, it's a fantastic song.  A shame it's not on the album.  The first time I heard the song I didn't think it was anything THAT special.  After reading everyone's glowing commentary on the song I guess my expectations were through the roof.  But now I can't stop listening to it.  Great tune.  Slash is showcased perfectly, like he should be.  And Scott is great on it too.

How much is known about this song?  I really haven't read that much about it.  Why it didn't make the album?  And is it known that it's about 9/11?  Or is that just someone's interpretation?

Regardless, it's currently my favorite song.  Last week "Last Fight" held that spot, keep'em coming.
"Messages"+[/b]

Spay is a vitriolic punk number that attacks the Paris Hiltons of the world and Messages is a lush ballad sung from the perspective of a passenger on one of the hijacked 9/11 planes. - Q Magazine

"Among the standout tracks on the Brendan O'Brien-produced disc is "Messages," about 9/11 victims leaving phone messages for their loved ones." "It's not your typical love ballad," says McKagan. "It's more cerebral." - Rolling Stone

Hope that helps! : ok:


Title: Re: messages fan made video..
Post by: mikegiuliana on July 06, 2007, 03:40:45 AM
Everytime I listen to this song and watch this video I get chills.. Such a huge tragedy and beautiful song.. Just the way scott sings and slash plays that little solo in between each time.. It's one of those songs I can't stop listening too and watching the footage..


Title: Re: messages fan made video..
Post by: bart123 on July 07, 2007, 01:18:31 PM
slashs guitar playing and weilands focals on this song messages are exccelent.cannot believe it didnt make the album.


Title: Re: messages fan made video..
Post by: Billo on July 07, 2007, 11:59:16 PM
Love the song..like the video and i get the meaning but i hate when u hear a song and it shows a band playing a diff song.. :peace:


Title: Re: messages fan made video..
Post by: cotis on July 08, 2007, 02:33:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMliKKmMXfQ

one I made the other night. first time making a video so be nice ;)


Title: Re: messages fan made video..
Post by: Smoking Guns on July 08, 2007, 06:23:28 PM
Nice work Cotis!!


Title: Re: messages fan made video..
Post by: coldenim on July 09, 2007, 02:48:27 AM
Why in the hell is this not on the album.  Is it a money sceme, to release it later on libertad?


Title: Re: messages fan made video..
Post by: novrain91 on July 09, 2007, 04:56:38 AM
I can't believe this isn't on the album.  This song is awesome, way better than the rest of Libertad.  What the hell were they thinking???


Title: Re: messages fan made video..
Post by: estrangedpaul on July 09, 2007, 11:45:28 AM
I'm guessing it's not on the album for a good reason, and its not to do with quality. We all know its a great song but it is also without doubt one of the most chilling songs I've ever heard. Easy listening it is definately not, the lyrics are hard to listen to. And I am not American. I'd imagine it would be harder for anyone close to the tragedy. While its a fitting tribute to those who died, its understandable they would put a lot of thought before putting this on the album or releasing it as a single. There is a good chance VR didn't want to be seen to be making money out of this, its more a charity-type song or something, so putting it as a free bonus track was better.

I know it seems strange, lots of songs have been put on albums about tragedies, but I think the nature of this song, coming from the first person view of the passengers of a tragedy that is still close to the hearts of so many people, makes it slightly more inappropriate when placed on an album alongside songs like Just Sixteen, She Builds Quick Machines, Get Out The Door, etc.

I'm not saying I agree with the decision, but presumably the record company and the band would have talked about it and maybe they decided it was inappropriate to be on this album and to make money out of it.

Shame, coz its a great song. Alternatively, perhaps they should have held it back and released it as a standalone single later on.


Title: Re: messages fan made video..
Post by: faldor on July 09, 2007, 02:31:19 PM
I'm guessing it's not on the album for a good reason, and its not to do with quality. We all know its a great song but it is also without doubt one of the most chilling songs I've ever heard. Easy listening it is definately not, the lyrics are hard to listen to. And I am not American. I'd imagine it would be harder for anyone close to the tragedy. While its a fitting tribute to those who died, its understandable they would put a lot of thought before putting this on the album or releasing it as a single. There is a good chance VR didn't want to be seen to be making money out of this, its more a charity-type song or something, so putting it as a free bonus track was better.

I know it seems strange, lots of songs have been put on albums about tragedies, but I think the nature of this song, coming from the first person view of the passengers of a tragedy that is still close to the hearts of so many people, makes it slightly more inappropriate when placed on an album alongside songs like Just Sixteen, She Builds Quick Machines, Get Out The Door, etc.

I'm not saying I agree with the decision, but presumably the record company and the band would have talked about it and maybe they decided it was inappropriate to be on this album and to make money out of it.

Shame, coz its a great song. Alternatively, perhaps they should have held it back and released it as a standalone single later on.
Great points all around.  I even had a tough time watching the fan made video(s) at first.  I've gotten used to it now, but it is a HIGHLY emotional song.  And those images do nothing but enhance that.  Of course the song alone without the images would be a little easier for people to handle, but no doubt it would've demanded a video if it was released as a single.  We'll see, it could still happen.  If they're smart, they'll do something with the song because it's fantastic.  And this band has shown itself to have pretty good management so far, so let's just sit tight.


Title: Re: messages fan made video..
Post by: John Daniels on July 09, 2007, 02:35:16 PM
damn this is such a great song!! I'm really really liking this hit!!  ;)


Title: Re: messages fan made video..
Post by: killingvector on July 09, 2007, 03:35:00 PM
VR bills itself as a dangerous rock band, i.e. one willing to take risks. They should not listen to dorky marketing guys with knocking knee caps.

it is a great song and does honor to the victims. It needs to be on the album.

btw, the video is ok, but there is no need to show the plane striking the building. The same impact can be gained without such a literal, visual symbol.


Title: Re: messages fan made video..
Post by: faldor on July 09, 2007, 05:19:53 PM
Here's another fan made video without the 9/11 footage.  Just pictures of the band and such.  Doesn't quite grab you like the other ones, but it's different.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yifd1Jgv9zM&mode=related&search=


Title: Re: messages fan made video..
Post by: novrain91 on July 09, 2007, 05:21:59 PM
Yeah there must/better be a reason behind them not releasing this on the album. ?As far as being smart about marketing?? I could have told (and I'm sure many others) them SBQM would fall fat on its face as a single. ?Not that catchy/good of a song. ?But we'll see what they do with "Messages."


Title: Re: messages fan made video..
Post by: estrangedpaul on July 09, 2007, 06:22:42 PM
VR bills itself as a dangerous rock band, i.e. one willing to take risks. They should not listen to dorky marketing guys with knocking knee caps.

it is a great song and does honor to the victims. It needs to be on the album.

btw, the video is ok, but there is no need to show the plane striking the building. The same impact can be gained without such a literal, visual symbol.

Maybe they discussed it with victims' relatives groups who felt uncomfortable with VR making money out of it. Might not have been the record companys decision alone. There must be a good reason why its not on the album and was only offered as a free bonus track, lets see if we hear one.

It makes no sense from a marketing point of view for it not to be on the album, unless they've decided to re-release Libertad later with Messages (which at this point might be getting some radio airplay) on it, so people would have to buy it twice. If they do, the record company are assholes.


Title: Re: messages fan made video..
Post by: mikegiuliana on July 10, 2007, 04:49:46 AM
Why in the hell is this not on the album.? Is it a money sceme, to release it later on libertad?


I doubt that is why.. I'd feel the same way if a song like Let it roll wasn't on the album...  We all have different tastes, but that doesn't mean they would scheme.. If that was the case then they'd release this as the first single have it on libertad and sell more albums and get everyone to love it being it's tied to 9-11