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I'm not looking for anything great, being I knew nothing of it's release.. I know they're touring and stuff but no major publicity and I only see their vid on shows like Nocturnal State at 4am..Shame really.. I think they're more interested in just playing this time around then trying to save rock..

So how many copies.. I'll say 75,000

125,000?

 
But I expect for the album to get big with the second single!!!

Hell, I alone have bought it 3 times.  One for me, One for friend as gift, and one of itunes for bonus tracks.

34,000

I will eventually buy one more copy, I always put my favs in my car cd player seperate from my house stereo.. Lady at fye knew exactly what I was talking about, said she had sold a few .. good sign but I'm expecting nothing major in sales.. They need to get fair air play at real hours..

I say from 195,000-225,00

For Slash and Duff's sake, I hope into the six figures.

Ali

I say between 45,000 and 50,000 copies

for those who only buy it on itunes will that count.. u know how i mean

300,000-500,000

Will it outsell Contraband if The Last Fight takes off?  That would be tough.  The need 4-5 singles to push this thing!

I'm sure it will debut at #1 on the strength of SBQM - but beyond that - I don't know. There's not really a strong second single on it (in my opinion, of course.) I don't see The Last Fight making much of an impact on radio.

It's almost like an anti-commercial album in some aspects. I don't even really think SBQM is all that great of a first single.

That's far too many copies... I say it will move between 150,000 and 200,000 in the first week.  That could be good enough to beat Kelly Rowland for the #1 spot.

How many copies sold Contraband the first week?

Like 259,000

Linkin Park moved about 525,000 units the first week and that was considered astonishing.

Their record is much more radio-friendly (not that that makes it a better record) than Libertad, so I don't see that kind of performance being repeated.

Ali

I think a few songs could make great singles.. I agre with your last statement..

If Velvet Revolver could sell 250,000 copies of Contraband in its first week, and considering the lack of new Hard Rock albums out there in the market, there's no reason it cannot exceed the sales and hit 300,000.
Overall, I predict the album to go double platinum, particularly if the other songs (that I have not heard yet) are better than the first single (which I have heard and really like).

MNW

There is a reason, man.  A very big reason.  Record sales have declined greatly over the last several years and are continuing to do so as a result of digital music downloads.  Contraband came out three years ago and the landscape of record sales has changed.  Rollingstone had a big article on it with a quote mentioning the record industry as "dying" and how there won't be any major record labels before long.

Ali

iTunes sales count as do any legal download sites u have to pay for. The reason record companies may go downhill is becase artists can do it all themselves now from promotion to sales, even recording is easily accesible where as it wasnt b4.

I think the album needs a lot more promotion from what Ive seen in the uk but it will still do well

200,000

it could if it was marketed, but who knew thisa lbum was coming out today, I didn't even see a commercial..

I didn't say pay sites.  I said downloads as in illegal, free ones.  That has hurt the industry tremendously.

Ali

Until I visited  this section..I forgot it was out today.. I don't see it selling in excess of 200,000 units.. I'd say somewhere between 150-175,000

I think it will be a moderate success.  not huge.  but it will sell better than half of the albums that get released this summer.

you have to remember there are slash addicts out there that will buy this album so that is good for abouth 35,000-45,000 then there are duff addicts that is good for 25,-30,000 thn there are weiland addicts that is ggod for another 35,000-45,000 then there are still curious people who loved stp and gnr that didn't like the first cd but are willing to give this album a second chance so there are another 25,-35,000 then there are general vr fans that's good for another 35,-45,000 tihis makes for 155,000-195,000 definite sales and some added word of mouth that is why I predicted 195,-225,000 sales but with lack of rock release possibe 300,000-350,00

Funny that you would say that.  I heard the new Linkin Park single on the radio yesterday.  I then punched my car stereo, after which it told me we couldn't be friends anymore.  But it was SOO worth it! 


Meh...when they start putting out quality music, I'll be happy to hear their concerns.

I want to say 200,000-300,000. Although after Year Zero, things may really have changed that much in that amount of time, so more conservatively 150,000-250,000, I guess. Even though I think a band like Linkin Park pulled off a rare debut week in these times with Minutes to Midnight (which was still below Meteora), they're Linkin Park, and the marketing muscle behind them is quite mighty. The marketing behind VR on this go 'round is almost non-existent. That's what crippled Manson's sales last month. Nobody's getting their shit played and out there anymore. VR should have been on the cover of everything from Spin to Rolling Stone, with a video in heavy rotation and arguably a much catchier single. So...that was rather long-winded...150,000-250,000 in the USA. Final answer.

As Duff said: You don't sell 10 millions records anymore. There are too many downloading motherfuckers.

Are these figures US or worldwide sales?

I really wonder on how many fans from this site that would wish you death if you downloaded cd are going to buy libertad after donwloading it first..?

duff said that? really?

the quality of the music is another possible reason for not selling 10 million records these days....



you think there are 30,000 "duff addicts" out there? 30,000 "duff addicts" that don`t belong to the already mentioned 45,000 "slash addicts"??
...

you also think there are 45,000 VR fans out there? people that don`t belong to the 75,000 "slash and duff addicts"??


well....   :hihi:


i don`t know the answer to your question, but i downloaded it first :hihi:     (and i`ll buy it as well...)

I bought it yesterday after already having a downloaded version for a week...
I wanted to show my support plus get the DVD :P

He did say the 10 million records thing, not the downloading mother fucker part. He also said contraband selling 3 million albums is comparable to selling 10 million + in the 80's when he was in guns  ::)

When will we found out the official numbers?  :beer:

after a week passes by , Obviously..  :hihi:

250,000

Contraband sold like 256k, I'll guess 150K-160K and top 5 on the Billboard charts.

Seriously?  I mean, I know there are downloaders now, but there are also many more people!

3 million copies of an album in this age, especially for a hard rock group, will make their label very happy.

you need staying power for that, good singles, honestly it can all be shit just mainstream needs to catch on.. Success is always from catching the wave with the right tune like gnr did with scom..

I have to ask again, are we talking about US or worldwide sales?

Projections based on first day sales

http://hitsdailydouble.com/news/rumormill.cgi

Clifford Joseph Harris Jr. will have the best-selling album in the country next week. Better known as Atlanta rapper T.I., the Grammy-winning hip-hop star?s new release, T.I. vs. T.I.P., on his own Grand Hustle label through Atlantic, looks headed over the 500k mark, heating up the summer sales season and easily making him next week?s #1 album.

Destiny?s Child member Kelly Rowland is up next with her sophomore album for Columbia, Ms. Kelly, the follow-up to her 2002 effort, Simply Deep, on target for sales over 100k, according to reports from retailers still recovering from Fourth of July fireworks.

RCA?s new Velvet Revolver album, Libertad, the successor to the 2004 double-platinum debut, Contraband, sees the rock supergroup at, or just shy of, the 100k mark. (7/5p)

These guys are usually spot on... so it looks like a #3 debut.

eh, its better than i expected to be honest

I just bought the cd and ran through it kind of quickly but I think it is way worse than Contraband.  All the songs same the same.  Not that good.  The best song is the hidden one. I'm dissapointed.  I was pretty pumped for their new cd.

who's the last artist who sold a million copies in a week? and when was that?

Wow, they can get that based on sales after just two days? Amazing. Sad, look at the shit that's beating it...total shit.

The irony is that the record company probably pushed back the release until July to make it #1.



/jarmo

that is why they pushed it back? did they not know about T.I.'s album? rock can't compete with rap in this day and age for record sales

Perhaps, like myself, they don't know who the fuck "T.I." is.  :hihi:

The world we live in, unfortunately. ?I wonder if a stronger first single would've helped any.

Ali

yeah a shame because T.I. and VR has the same fans and fan base and of course most fans will rather buy T.I.'s album :'(

I'm just suprised the band members haven't revealed in an interview that they wanted to release it earlier to be bad ass, but the record company convinced them with their market research to push the release date back.



Side Note:? Unless RCA is retarded, they are well aware that T.I. will outsell Velvet Revolver.

60.000

Of course you are.


That's the beauty of it all. A band who tries to pass themselves of as the last real bad ass dangerous unpredictable rock n' roll band, while the record company picks the single and postpones the release of their album.

Motherfucker yeah!




/jarmo

Album sales tend to follow pretty similar trends. It might fall short or go way over, but probably not.

Do you seriously troll your own message board? I didn't even know that was possible.

Troll?

Why don't you just argue against what I said.

Just like Eazy E.  :love:


/jarmo

lol, you just gotta sorta ignore him sandinista

[quote author=jarmo link=topic=47322.msg964999#msg964999 date=1183673057
Troll?

Why don't you just argue against what I said.

Just like Eazy E.  :love:


/jarmo
I can't, I'm speechless.

It's impossible to argue with you because you are so hung up on retarded "talking points" about how the band was marketed when they first came out. I really can't believe you still whine about this. It's called marketing. When these guys were in Guns N' Roses they were marketed the same way. They were still slaves to a major label, all over MTV and radio and everywhere else whoring themselves out while trying to present a bad ass image.

It's part of corporate rock. Please stop acting like VR is the only band in the history of the world who has been marketed this way. You really need to get out more if something this small bothers you so much.

120k

I thought it was pushed back to make DVD, and to coincide with July 4th, America's day of Liberty.  Maybe I am muy es retardo.

I think the number are a little off this week because of the holiday it seems like there has been a late push for this album I still predict cose to 200,000 july 4th is always a slow starting week just look at itunes vr has moved up the chart in the last couple of days

its also beating out hannah montana which sold 322,000 in the first week and will def move about half that in the second week thats the way it usually goes so based on that Libertad is in place for about 200,000

200,000 at this point is no more than wishful thinking.  VR might have a late surge but hitsdailydouble is a reputable charting company that is very accurate with their projections based on one day sales. 

What's your source that it's outselling that children's album anyway?

Hannah is down to #4 on the album chart on itunes while Libertad is up on #3. So... :beer:

iTunes.  That's a whole different ballgame than sales of hard copies which is what the hitsdailydouble projection discusses.  If VR outsells that album on iTunes next week that still wouldn't mean it will sell 200,000 albums

The "Hannah Montana" album whatever that album is, opened at #3 on the digital charts, not #1, and the 322,000 albums sold wasn't referring to iTunes or other legal digital sources

I know digital sales are different but they count in the long run and if vr is outselling digitally it is also out selling physical copies.  Yes I know that hitsdailydouble is reputable but they are not always right I have seen them screw up before.

Yet another GN'R mention because somebody disagrees with VR.  :hihi:

If you can't see the difference between GN'R being marketed as "bad boys" and VR, then there's an issue right there.


The reason why it was sort of ok was because it was actually believable.

They released two albums on the same day, they released songs that were about ten minutes as singles.

They did things nobody else was doing at the time.


Sorry for discussing GN'R in this section VR fans, but yet again somebody else brought them up.



/jarmo

Not in this day and age dude. CD sales are down 15% this year alone. If you're outselling digitally, that don't mean shit about how you're selling when it come to the physical product. I'd be surprised if this album even goes platinum this year.

160,000 first week is my prediction

I mentioned GNR because, as I'm sure you know, that's the band they were formerly in. It doesn't matter what band you want to name. If you're signed to a major label, you do what the label tells you. VR does. GNR did (OMGZ I MENTIONED GNR AGAIN!! AHHHHHHH).

The idea that you're so upset over how the band was marketed is just hilarious. Labels market bands the way they want to market them. If you're looking for some bad ass, break all the rules musician who doesn't care what anyone says, then you should get into GG Allin. Nobody else comes close.

Well i have been checking the charts and it looks like over in the UK ..VR is number 6 on their top album charts..while SBQM is number 4 on billboard. Im still not seeing the album on the billboard charts yet.  :nervous: I wonder if that is a bad thing..or maybe the list isn't updated yet. any thoughts???????

it's in at #6 in the UK charts, which i think is amazing. higher than contraband and with a fraction of the publicity/hype

Hasn't updated yet.

VR is no 10 in Australia first week in..CB was no 2 first week in..I Never heard Slither  and i havent heard SBQM on the radio or TV.. :peace: Still top 10..im happy for the guys..They need a big Ballad to Really help sales.. : ok:

it looks like it will only be around 100,000 in the US first week..

yup and I expect it to drop to 35 next week.. This is also what happens when your video is played at 4am.. SHit I could sell a few albums if my video was on trl and all the peak hours.. :hihi:  See if this was gnr or stp it would get peak play, but being it's called velvet revolver it just won't happen the same way.. TK, off to work.. :beer: