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for all those who hate nirvana etc, this article my be of intrest to you it's on page 35, it's title "Nirvana ruined everything" if someone has a scanner please post the article if you have time. thanks!!

I haven't got this issue yet. Will buy it soon though.

Is it completely serious in saying that Nirvana ruined everything or is it more light-hearted? If it's serious, then that's stupid.

Band's like Nirvana almost sent rock to the grave. That's why rap got so big, they weren't afraid to be entertainers.

I tend to think it was the Seattle bands and GnR that saved us from the crap that was FM in late 80s - early 90s.

Nothing over the last 15 years is as good as 80's music.

How true.

I tend to disagree. I think the 90s was the golden age of rock:

GN'R- UYI era
Nirvana
Pearl Jam
NIN
Manson
Soundgarden- their best work
Alice In Chains
Mudhoney
Stone Temple Pilots
Filter
Bush- yeah, they're good
Sneaker Pimps
Garbage
Elastica
Smashing Pumpkins

Tons of great music.

yuck cant agree, 80s all the way! theres just so muchb in the 80s, even some bands that wernt rock were great too that came from that era.

How can you blame Nirvana and rap that rock went from awesome to shit? ??? Rap took over the market that rock lost, it didn't steal it!
90's were awesome especially the first half, it started to go downhill since 97 - that's the time when Girl/boy groups started to emerge which are the lowest form of bands ever, no wonder teenagers turned to rap  ::)

These bands filled the last decade of last century. They came at the end of one of the most bloodiest centuries in history - those 'industrial bands' kind of topped off the century nicely (it began with industry, it ended with industry)...........the smart musos from the 80s let these younger bands take the last decade of the century because who wants to be known as so last century!

Those who were quiet in the last 10 years, lets call them 'the end years' are now making their power moves........yes, we all watched The Terminator.......

I think some need to watch their med in take more the a action movie.

I heard Kurt Cobainon once  put pregnant women in a  buss and then set in on fire..
that fucking Axl hater   :rant: :rant:

He turned me into a Newt!

He then drowned some kittens. :P

you forgot the best 90's band... Rage Against The Machine

Nirvana didn't ruin shit.

They got rid off some horrible 80s music that was still around at the time.

The record companies who started turning out watered down versions of "grunge" bands ruined it.



If you were into rock music, the early 90s were great.

You could actually have MTV on because they'd play great rock music.




/jarmo

yeah but they also got rid of talented rock bands with it.....

so technically they did, then they were followed by generations of shit chord only bands with shit singers, not style, no balls.

I believe the talented ones are still around, the others aren't.



/jarmo

jarmo, what they did was make it not cool to be a rockstar, all the benfits that come with where all of a sudden deemed not cool! and many bands have tried but get slated for being excessive or 80's wannabe's, best example i can think of are hinder, but i'm sure there others.

Just like what punk did in the 70s.

Things go in cycles....


The whole scene had gotten old, people wanted new.




/jarmo

I just hate that cocain killed himself.. would love to see where he was these days and stuff like that, for better for worse. although i think it would be great because if he was alive Nirvana wouldn't have been as overrated as they are

right on cheapjon, a man of my own at times you are son.

Nirvana didn't kill off rock, GN'R, Metallica and U2 etc, are still around. Maybe Poison and shit like that died off, but GN'R killed that shit, by being miles better than them....hey ho.... ;D

Since when was 'heroin rock' an attractive look?

 :beer:

I think Nirvana would have gotten the same amount of praise no matter what would have happened. Although they may have gone on to release stuff that critics didn't like. Who knows??


I'm currently reading a book on them just now. It's a brick. A good brick though. :beer:

but there does seem a big effort to keeps bands who wanna live the RnR lifestyle underground

yeah it sucks.

Britney Spears, Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan?

 :hihi:



/jarmo

For the Mathematical impaired the last 15 years means since around 92 or so.

U had that one great period between 91-92

The last Golden Age of music like 83-84


91-92 u had all those amazing albums

Help me out

GNR UYI
Pearl Jam TEN
Nevermind
Dangerous I think was that time
Keep The Faith
Blood Sugar Sex Magik
DR Dre The Chronic

Tons of other albums from artists Im not gonna list everyone

after that its kind of been downhill.

Nirvana extended rock's lifespan.

At least they were real, and weren't hiding under a bunch of makeup and Aqua Net.

They helped great bands like Pearl Jam, AIC, and Soundgarden rise to prominence.

Yeah but underneath that Aqua net was great music. You like the stones and they were pretty damned glam at times.

Some 90s stuff was anti-music really.....

whereas in the 80s we had Ant Music!

Rage against the machine's selftitled album

although you believe me to be immature and my oppinions irrelavent. i agree with this statement gunner80

yup, definately. imagine how cheesy the music would have been without GNR and the Seattle wave. imagine songs in the vein of "Cherry Pie" becoming even more poppy...cos that's the way rock was headed back then!

i listened to that warrant album , i found it to suck, you have to admit, the one track on there uncle toms cabin rocks!

Yeah dude, no question about it.  But by the end of the decade, there were just way too many ripoff bands out there.  Ripping off everyone's looks, riffs, and lyrics.

91-92
Metallica
Megadeth
Tiamat
Ozzy Osbourne
Iron Maiden


1982-1991 is the best ten year period. Spanning from The number of the beast to UYI/Metallica/Nevermind/No more tears.

yeah, uncle toms cabin is quite allright : ok:

I think Nirvana were great, and the 90's were great aswell,

PANTERA
BLACK LABEL SOCIETY
NIN
TOOL
DOWN
AIR
BRUCE DICKINSON (SOLO)
M MANSON
KORN
FAITH NO MORE
BJORK
SLASH'S SNAKEPIT
THE CHEMICAL BROTHERS
SOUNDGARDEN
ALICE IN CHAINS
STP

...Just to name a few  : ok:

That was just the difference in party drugs:

80s it was cocaine (shallow, extravagnt)
90s it was heroin (back to basics)

cocaine=insane person
herion=depressive i hate my life person

now i see why the 90s was so depressing!

Thats what happened with the 80's music too, it really was some amazing music, both disco and rock, then it all became horrible
the 90's was ok, some of my favorite bands are Skunk Anansie and The Prodigy :peace:

I don't get what was so revolutionary with Nirvana other than they had a diferent image than your usual rocker, that was great music too... I love territorial pissings :headbanger:

gotta love this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyCKCeJC7jI :hihi:

u seem to forget us brits had the britpop era,

The Smiths
Stone Roses
Oasis
etc

i no not many survived to now, but not many of the alt 90's did either.

Slash, Steven and Izzy?

Steven Tyler and Joe Perry?

Keith Richards?






/jarmo

Keith, Joe, Slash all seemed more upbeat in what they played though compared to the grunge bands.  So I just think the Grunge era was more depressing.  The Stones, GNR, and Aerosmith all had their dark moments too though.

90-95 was awesome.

How can I resist a thread like this?

First, the music that was largely associated with Hollywood really killed itself, by going from new and groundbreaking to cookie-cutter albums, image over music, and being so over the top that eventually people didn't want it anymore. 

Music then went in four directions.

GNR was the last, great explosion of decadent hard rock.  Still the same scene, but groundbreaking again, no cookie cutter albums, and music over image. 

Simultaneously, the same attitude and aggressiveness that was making GNR great was also making rap a rising genre...particularly gangsta rap, which took the "danger" that used to belong to rock n' roll, and made it their own, is a less "hard partying till you die" way, and more of a "I'm going to fucking kill you" way.  But if you look at rap now, 19 years after Straight Outta Compton, it's as stale and boring as LA rock had become. 

There were also two big counter movements...metal and grunge.

Of course, metal was hardly "new," but as people became more and more disgusted with rock, at the time, metal had somewhat of a revival.  And, again, nearly 20 years later, mainstream metal (nu-metal, largely) is stale. 

And Grunge was sort of the anti-rock hero movement.  That's not to say that it wasn't good (I personally love AiC) or heavy or a variant of rock n' roll.  Most of the mainstream "rock" you see today has its roots in this movement and, again, it's fucking stale! 

I agree with Jarmo.  It's cyclical, and we're about due for a change...big time!  But if you ask me, there's a strong correlation between the kids today listening to some of the woosiest crap I've ever heard and growing up in a generation where punishment is a "timeout."  :hihi:   

The 90's nearly killed me several times...........

eh, stuff goes through cycles. Grunge was an offshoot of punk.

punk and metal seems to go into clashes with eachother. EVERY genre gets played out at a point and goes through cycles. Grunge got played out as well.

Now the 80s stuff is more respected everything goes through cycles. during punk in the late 70s/early 80s aerosmith was considered uncool

well if i had to pick, id pick the rock over the punk n grunge, although i like punk, musically and performance wise rock and metal are so much better.

black metal started also in the 90's (it actually got a cultural award in Norway in the early 90's before people knew what it was about) but I guess only Norwegians knows :P

today it's really washed down but maybe thats a good thing since the pioners did burn churches etc and were what you call satanists :confused:
Today the "posers" in this genre doesn't all do a bad job musically or in image

thats an funny title of the article, I don't really belive in it :hihi:

heh.. nice reference.. I liked Ant Music actually.