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Title: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: GeraldFord on June 26, 2007, 10:06:45 PM I'm going with LIBERTAD.
And I liked the first album a lot too. Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: Smoking Guns on June 26, 2007, 10:14:57 PM Dick, I mean RichardNixon, I agree 100%!!!! I too like Libertad better.
Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: slashvr86 on June 26, 2007, 10:16:31 PM libertad, just because it was alot easier for me to get into
Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: metallex78 on June 26, 2007, 10:20:29 PM I'm going with Contraband. Much heavier and in-your-face guitar crunch. : ok:
Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: ShotgunBlues1978 on June 26, 2007, 10:24:10 PM Contraband, no contest. Although there are a few songs I really like on Libertad, Contraband just has flat out better songs. The rockers rock harder, the ballads are superior. Libertad has too many skippable, uninteresting songs IMO
Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: metallex78 on June 26, 2007, 10:28:26 PM Contraband, no contest.? Although there are a few songs I really like on Libertad, Contraband just has flat out better songs.? The rockers rock harder, the ballads are superior.? Libertad has too many skippable, uninteresting songs IMO Sad to say, but I feel the same way. Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: Verse Chorus Verse on June 26, 2007, 10:33:21 PM I go with Libertad.
Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: BillBailey on June 26, 2007, 10:37:13 PM Contraband is better. That being said Libertad is really growing on me. I wish Brendan O'Brien would have produced Contraband and same with whoever mixed Libertad. It is mixed and produced so much better.
Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: chinese democrazy on June 26, 2007, 10:44:05 PM Libertad, listening to the album from start to finish is a much more fulfilling,deeper and enjoyable experience. I agree contraband had the big hits, but libertad is just an overall stronger effort by far. That said, they both have their strong points, libertad will never be able to compete as far as wanting agressive hard rock.
Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: mustaine on June 26, 2007, 10:50:27 PM Better induvidual songs on Contraband (Slither, Fall to Pieces, Dirty Little Thing) but overall Libertad is a bit better. Nothing mind blowing, just a fun record that probably won't age well (for me).
Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: ShotgunBlues1978 on June 26, 2007, 10:55:36 PM Contraband, no contest. Although there are a few songs I really like on Libertad, Contraband just has flat out better songs. The rockers rock harder, the ballads are superior. Libertad has too many skippable, uninteresting songs IMO Sad to say, but I feel the same way. I hadn't listened to Contraband in a while, I listened to it today so I could compare with Libertad fresh in my mind, and my thoughts were definitely confirmed The other thing that has struck me is that I couldn't get enough of Contraband when it first came out. I was listening to it all the time. With Libertad, after about 5 listens I'm already bored with half the album, and I don't have that itch to listen to it again and again like I did with Contraband Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: D on June 26, 2007, 10:56:40 PM Contraband is WAY better at this point.
Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: Smoking Guns on June 26, 2007, 10:56:55 PM If you took the best from CB and Libertad and made a greatest hits, people would still bitch. ?Ha! ?But it would be a hell of an album. ?I expect the 3rd album to be the charm at this pace!
Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: GeraldFord on June 26, 2007, 11:01:05 PM I feel that Contraband starts out strong, but then songs like "illegal i song" "Spectacle," etc., sort of blend together and throw a wrench in the momentum. The second half of that album is much stronger.
With Libertad, I can really enjoy the whole thing all the way through--and it's just getting better and better. LOVE the direction of the CD, much more upbeat and more enjoyable than the dour debut. There is also more depth, more layers of sounds in the nooks and carnies.? ? Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: Smoking Guns on June 26, 2007, 11:04:07 PM Slash is the real deal on this album. He definitely stepped up his game. But even during the Snakepit eras, he was still a badass. But it is just different now. And I like it. I like the album and can't wait to buy it. There are a lot of good songs and don't "hate" any of them. Sorum's drumming is so much better. The band sounds so inspired, which now brings me Mr. Weiland. WTF!!!! Scott, you do rock on a few songs. You Got No Right stands out. However, the artsy fartsy shit he says and the way he sings sometimes annoys me. However, i like how he gets crazy at the end of Illegal I. Fall To Pieces, really, that song had so much potential. Lyrics? WTF! All these songs will grow on everyone. They did a fine job. Just the repetitiveness of some of songs sucks. SuckerTrain is another song I like. Did they stray a little too far from "Blues Based Rock?" Yes, they did. Slash is still the best guitar player out there. But I do miss the "Bluesy" sound. All in all this album rocks, and there are lots of guitar solos. Just feel left wondering, WHERE ARE THE SONGS IZZY HELPED WRITE!!!!!!! THEY SHOULD HAVE THROWN US GNR FANS A BONE OR TWO WITH THOSE. I THINK SCOTT RESENTED IZZY'S SONG WRITING ABILITY. I like Scott's voice, just stop being so dramatic and rock. How many songs on here are better then "Down" or "All in Suit that you wear?" I don't really know, but it is different, solid, and I like it. I think I must agree, Scott was the weak link, but not too many people could have done much better, except Axl of course. He is working with master's of their trade. He doesn't have the chemistry yet. He will eventually. I look forward to the follow up. Lots of potential here. I expected better then STP, worse then GNR (you can't top GNR and don't expect it too). Should have blow away STP, and at times it does. At times, it is only even, which is not a horrible thing. 8.5/10 The album will do great. :peace: Dave, I hear ya, but, it is like I can't stop listening to these songs. Superhuman, that could be a sleeper, Darkhorse, on this album. Did the boys ever play in Drop D before this album? I don't think they ever did in GNR. I will rephrase, VR can be better then the the "New" GNR. Just not better then the old GNR. Still a pretty Riff heavy album. I am liking it more and more, but my main points stay the same. If Weiland ever got an attitude adjustment this band could rule the world. They might just do it anyway. Look at the competition? Oh my God, look at what the hell I was saying on June 1, 2004. I was more harsh then than now. I was harsh on Weiland, but, he has grown so much. Its cool to see first impressions than vs. now. Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: ShotgunBlues1978 on June 26, 2007, 11:10:47 PM I feel that Contraband starts out strong, but then songs like "illegal i song" "Spectacle," etc., sort of blend together and throw a wrench in the momentum. The second half of that album is much stronger. The second half of CB is definitely stronger. I like illegal i song a lot, actually one of my favorites off the album, that song rocks, but anyway I'll agree, songs like Big Machine (worst song on the album) and Spectacle are not very good. But IMO, SBQM and She Mine are both worse than Spectacle On Libertad, after Get Out The Door, the album's like Death Valley, very dry and life is sparse. To my ears, I'm only digging like 4 of the last 11 tracks, the others might have elements that I like but as overall songs not so much Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: Booker Floyd on June 26, 2007, 11:13:24 PM Libertad
Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: GeraldFord on June 26, 2007, 11:15:06 PM Hmm, I thought Libertad was much, much richer than CB. Never cared for "Illegal i Song." I thought it was the most generic, boring song on the whole CD. But I really like "Big Machine" though. "She Mine" and SBQM have grown on me a lot.
I wonder if Vedder and comp. will sue VR for ripping off "State of Love and Trust" in "For a Brother." Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: metallex78 on June 26, 2007, 11:19:48 PM I feel that Contraband starts out strong, but then songs like "illegal i song" "Spectacle," etc., sort of blend together and throw a wrench in the momentum. The second half of that album is much stronger. With Libertad, I can really enjoy the whole thing all the way through--and it's just getting better and better. LOVE the direction of the CD, much more upbeat and more enjoyable than the dour debut. There is also more depth, more layers of sounds in the nooks and carnies.? ? I guess that's the difference of opinions, because Illegal I and Spectacle keep up the pace of great rocking tracks. How can you not like Sorums great drumming on Illegal I, it rocks! : ok: Libertad starts strong with Let It Roll through to Last Fight, then it is pretty bland for the rest of the album aside from Just 16 and Spay which both kick things up a notch. For A Brother, Mary Mary are both dull and uninspired riffs and melodies. Even Pills which sounded so promising to me upon hearing that opening riff in the vlogs, just fizzles into blandness too. It worries me that this was the best that they could come up with. Even Gravedancer sounds way too much like an obvious mix between FTP and LTA. Rick Rubin was right when he told them to keep writing more songs. Anyway, for those that do enjoy it, I'm glad if you do. The above is just my opinion on what I'm hearing, and I don't think it's that great. :no: Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: GeraldFord on June 26, 2007, 11:23:45 PM I though "Mary Mary" should have been the lead single---pure ear candy.
Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: D on June 26, 2007, 11:26:01 PM ^
See I dont agree. Everyone talks of this Hook and that Hook I personally don't hear it. Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: GeraldFord on June 26, 2007, 11:27:55 PM The hook is in the lush, melodic chorus.
Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: metallex78 on June 26, 2007, 11:36:39 PM Hmm, I thought Libertad was much, much richer than CB. Never cared for "Illegal i Song." I thought it was the most generic, boring song on the whole CD. But I really like "Big Machine" though. "She Mine" and SBQM have grown on me a lot. I wonder if Vedder and comp. will sure VR for ripping off "State of Love and Trust" in "For a Brother." Weiland's vocal melody might be similar, but aside from that, they sound nothing alike. State Of Love & Trust rocks, while For A Brother doesn't. Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: GeraldFord on June 26, 2007, 11:40:02 PM Not the best song, but I like "For a Brother." And the chorus is almost the same as that in SOLAT.
Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: icpillusions on June 27, 2007, 12:53:52 AM Contraband. It is more rockin.
Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: Genesis on June 27, 2007, 01:23:11 AM Libertad.
Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: F*ck Fear on June 27, 2007, 02:36:57 AM I can't really say for sure yet, as I've only heard four songs so far, but to be honest, those four tracks, which are all rockers, are far better than any four rockers on Contraband in my opinion.
Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: snakepipero on June 27, 2007, 03:14:40 AM both of albums are rock masterpieces!!! they're gonna be classics in a few years, mainly libertad :beer:
Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: estebanf on June 27, 2007, 03:28:47 AM I think ''Contraband'' is better.
''Contraband'' has at least two very hard rocking, in your face songs like ''Sucker Train Blues'' and ''Slither'' ''Contraband'' has at least two good ballads (''Fall To Pieces'' & ''Loving The Alien'') ''Contraband'' has a masterpiece, ''You Got No Right'' ''Contraband'' has, at least, two killer, insanely vertiginous guitar solos (''Sucker Train Blues'' and ''Slither'') In conclussion, 5 songs ranging from good to excellent, and the rest are fillers, mediocre, disposable and absolutly forgattable songs. ------------ ''Libertad'' has, in my opinion, none hard rocking songs. ''Libertad'' has, in my opinion, just one killer, memorable guitar solo (the ELO cover) ''Libertad'' ballads are, in my opinion, sleeping pills, extremely boring and repetitive. ''Libertad'' has DEFINITELY no masterpieces. Masterpieces dont need 10 listenings to be recognised. The only thing where ''Libertad'' defeats ''Contraband'' is in the overall production. Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: Jizzo on June 27, 2007, 03:45:05 AM Not the best song, but I like "For a Brother." And the chorus is almost the same as that in SOLAT. SOLAT? Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: stolat on June 27, 2007, 04:20:22 AM Not the best song, but I like "For a Brother." And the chorus is almost the same as that in SOLAT. SOLAT? State Of Love And Trust Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: Jim Bob on June 27, 2007, 04:28:35 AM I'm just wrapping up my first listen of Libertad and at this point I'm going to have to say Contraband by a good bit. I"m not impressed it at all, but I am giong to give it another listen and write a full review. :)
Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: Booker Floyd on June 27, 2007, 07:43:14 AM More disingenuousness from certain posters:
I think ''Contraband'' is better. ''Contraband'' has at least two very hard rocking, in your face songs like ''Sucker Train Blues'' and ''Slither'' Quote Personally, the only hard rocking track in that album is ''Slither'', and I cant find any other. Quote ''Contraband'' has at least two good ballads (''Fall To Pieces'' & ''Loving The Alien'') Quote In my case, Fall To Pieces is just a good Slash solo and nothing more. Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: GeraldFord on June 27, 2007, 08:22:53 AM You should be a lawyer BF.
"Depends of what the definition of is, is...." Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: darkdays_01 on June 27, 2007, 09:27:37 AM I though "Mary Mary" should have been the lead single---pure ear candy. Totally agree. That song is great. On topic , as much as i like Contraband, i am going with Libertad. The production is great and the playing is awesome. Duff's playing is top notch as usual, Slash really stepped up on this album imo his best playing to date, and Sorum sounds better than ever. Scott sounds great , his vocals on this one remind me alot of STP's Shangri La album. Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: Eazy E on June 27, 2007, 09:31:41 AM Libertad without a doubt... I've found it much easier to get into. It may not be as "hard-rocking", but I like the hooks better and think each track stands out more on the first few listens.
Right now I'm really into Let It Roll, Get Out The Door, The Last Fight and Mary Mary. Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: estebanf on June 27, 2007, 01:42:07 PM More disingenuousness from certain posters: I think ''Contraband'' is better. ''Contraband'' has at least two very hard rocking, in your face songs like ''Sucker Train Blues'' and ''Slither'' Quote Personally, the only hard rocking track in that album is ''Slither'', and I cant find any other. Quote ''Contraband'' has at least two good ballads (''Fall To Pieces'' & ''Loving The Alien'') Quote In my case, Fall To Pieces is just a good Slash solo and nothing more. You have to be really bored to enter the profile of all the users you dont like and do this kind of sick research. Good for you, Detective Floyd. Do you always have the same sensations/feelings with songs? are your opinions about songs absolutely immutable? And the things you have quoted me are not contradictions. ''Fall To Pieces'' is just a good Slash solo, what is enough for me to think FTP is a good ballad. I've changed my mind about STB, so what? people should be scared: Detective Floyd and the search engine are ready to hunt you. Go gadget, go. Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: ShotgunBlues1978 on June 27, 2007, 02:25:46 PM More disingenuousness from certain posters: I think ''Contraband'' is better. ''Contraband'' has at least two very hard rocking, in your face songs like ''Sucker Train Blues'' and ''Slither'' Quote Personally, the only hard rocking track in that album is ''Slither'', and I cant find any other. Quote ''Contraband'' has at least two good ballads (''Fall To Pieces'' & ''Loving The Alien'') Quote In my case, Fall To Pieces is just a good Slash solo and nothing more. What kind of satisfaction do you get from nitpicking about everything someone who, God forbid, doesn't love VR the way you do says? You seem to spend more time coursing through people's old posts than you do engaging in an actual discussion about the topics at hand. It seems you're more interested in trying to "discredit" everyone who sees things differently than yourself by harping on minor/insignificant/barely relevant details rather than the overall theme and point of a post Let me guess, you're going to say something about proper context. Would you agree that everyone needs to view your comments in proper context as well? I think we all know that you were going to praise Libertad no matter what. But as long as people view your commentary in the "proper context" then everything will be fine Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: Darkburst on June 27, 2007, 02:54:21 PM Even though I've listened to Libertad a bunch of times from beginning to end it's hard to pick a favorite. Contraband is a much more pissed off, in your face rock album. Libertad has a lot more variety and sonic textures. Right now I'm leaning towards Libertad just because it's more varied.
Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: Booker Floyd on June 27, 2007, 05:38:58 PM You seem to spend more time coursing through people's old posts than you do engaging in an actual discussion about the topics at hand. I have no real interest in discussing the topic-at- hand with dishonest/disingenuous posters who are only in this section to satisfy their negative bias toward the band. Now this is about the point where Jarmo will make his 200th post this month with the name "Booker" in it (which Ill probably ignore) and inform me that this section is for GNR fans to discuss VR, so their welcome to post nothing but negativity (although its called "whining" when its a band that he likes). Fair enough, its his board to make that decision, but Id rather occassionally illuminate their dishonesty/disngenuousness than discuss the topic-at-hand with them. Yes, it does put their posts into perspective. Theyre not only inherently negative, but often disingenuous. So when they lament over their disappointment that theres no good, hard-rocking songs like "Sucker Train Blues," posters can see that theyre just referencing their "appreciation" of the song to frame todays criticism, even though they didnt like the song yesterday. I think its an attempt to adjust the negativity to the fact that theres now new music (so the "VR isnt as good as it used to be" line can begin), as well as an attempt at looking more objective ("I like some of VRs older songs, but the new ones just arent as good"). Either way, its disingenuous. I notice it, I point it out. Another example: if one criticizes GNRs setlists, its whining about something over which he has no control, and it will be deleted. Odd, then, that Jarmo himself created a thread in this section to criticize VRs setlists (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=16619.0) in the same manner others criticized GNRs. Again, fair enough, but I think that hypocrisy is noteworthy. Jarmo made a nice, telling statement a few weeks back in the GNR section. You guys should consider it: Quote Just because I don't have a constant need to put the band down in order to make myself feel better : ok: Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: Wheres Izzy on June 28, 2007, 07:58:41 PM I think I need to wait a bit to be sure but I am def. leaning towards Libertad. What makes it a tough call is that the albums are so different from each other picking one could come down to mood. I like how heavy Contraband is, and I think the ballads on it are a ton better than those on Libertad. However I like that Libertad is much more of an up-beat and positive rock record, musically and lyrically. I also love that Libertad is so diverse musically. It reminds me alot of UYI1 in that regard. I remember when I first got Contraband I loved it but thought the opposite, that alot of the songs blended together when you listened to the whole thing straight through.
Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: difleha on June 28, 2007, 09:55:14 PM Libertad: vs. Contraband:
The Last Fight Fall to Pieces Just Sixteen Slither Gravedancer Let it Roll Mary Mary Great cover of "Can't get it out of my head" American Man Libertad wins my vote. Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: GnFnR87 on June 28, 2007, 10:07:33 PM Masterpieces dont need 10 listenings to be recognised. excuse me??? i havent listened to Libertad yet (wil pick it up tuesday) but that statement is just ridiculous. most of my favorite all time albums took me a while to get into. Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: Jackamo! on June 28, 2007, 10:33:08 PM Libertad.
Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: Genesis on June 29, 2007, 02:14:01 AM I rescind my vote. Contraband was way better. :crying:
Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: whpprsnpprr on June 29, 2007, 03:21:57 AM Libertad big time.
Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: whpprsnpprr on June 29, 2007, 03:39:31 AM Not the best song, but I like "For a Brother." And the chorus is almost the same as that in SOLAT. No Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: greendog on June 29, 2007, 05:23:27 AM At the moment, its cool to listen to Libertad all the way through... most of the songs are pretty equal.
When I listen to Contraband I can skip the songs around. Even though I love the whole album. I cant decide. Pleh. They are both awesome. :D Masterpieces dont need 10 listenings to be recognised. The Downward Spiral The Fragile just a couple of examples. Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: faldor on June 29, 2007, 07:27:15 AM Originally I would've said Contraband by a MILE, not even close. But Libertad has grown on me quite a bit over the past couple days, so now I'd still say Contraband but not but such a wide margin. We'll see where I stand in a couple weeks. Lots of GOOD songs on Libertad, I just feel there are lots of GREAT songs off Contraband.
Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: Casey Shelton on June 29, 2007, 01:49:34 PM Libertad.?
It's not even close and I loved Contraband playing it routinely for just over a year. I can see, however, how somebody who would have wanted VR's sophomore effort become more hard rockin' than Contraband could be disappointed with Libertad. It's much more diverse.? More rythm, more soul from where I sit. Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: guns_n_motley on June 29, 2007, 01:57:06 PM Contrabands strong tracks blow away LIbertads strong tracks IMO
Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: Jackamo! on June 29, 2007, 01:59:49 PM Libertad has a better first half than Contraband.
Contraband has a better second half than Libertad. :-\ Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: GeraldFord on June 29, 2007, 02:15:23 PM So far:
Libertad- 18 votes Contrabad- 8 Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: bshea2k5 on June 29, 2007, 10:53:34 PM Libertad for me...no contest at all! :)
Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: KOK on June 30, 2007, 10:14:55 AM Contraband
Title: Re: POLL- Contraband or Libertad: which do you like better Post by: Alan on June 30, 2007, 11:51:44 AM libertad by a long way
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