Here Today... Gone To Hell!

James Wigney of Australia's Herald Sun recently conducted an interview with VELVET REVOLVER/ex-GUNS N' ROSES guitarist Slash. A few excerpts from the chat follow:

On his current relationship with GUNS N' ROSES frontman Axl Rose:

"I'm just glad that he (Axl) is out there doing his thing again. We didn't know what was happening with him for a long time, but I'm looking forward to hearing this album. I heard a live track from a concert supposed to be one of the new ones, but it was so long ago I don't even remember what it sounded like."

- Blabbercunt

Go to http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=75493 for the whole thing.

 ???

The longest new track is TWAT, that was only played twice, and its not even 6 minutes

I wonder if Slash remembers Estranged...

anyway, I dont know why I dont believe Slash ''doesnt remember how a new GNR song sounded''...

the ''I will not talk again about Axl and GNR'' thing didn't last too much...uh?

He said it was so long ago, because of the time, not because of a song... if thats what u mean  :confused:

Nice to hear he's not holding a grudge with Axl for continuing and even moreso that he actually wants to hear the new album.

How on earth can you interpret him saying anything the tiniest bit negative there? Honestly you're trying to find a turd in a bouqet of roses there. He was nothing but nice get over it.

you're right, I'm learning english day after day and I missed the ''ago''. Sorry.

but I still dont believe Slash doesnt know the new songs, as if he just listened to them once, and a long time ago.

I honestly think Slash wants Axl to succeed as does Axl Slash.  I don't think they "hate" each other.  I bet he will get album prior to release.  I bet Axl has Libertad.

Lots of people have Libertad.

Toooooooo shayyyyyyyyy

Agreed.

But I'm sure that Axl perfectly knows all the songs in Contraband, as well as the Snakepit songs, and I'm also sure that he will listen to the new VR album as soon as it is out. It's normal, if WE are curious, they have to be. They were together all their lives, making history and being like brothers, and its VERY hard to believe that Slash has no idea of the new GNR songs (he said he knows one song, but cant remember it well 'cause it was a long time ago), as he stated in this article.

I really think that Slash wants Axl to succed. What I dont know is if he honestly wants Axl to succed under the Guns n' Roses name

Wow, good question.  As long as VR successful, Slash okay with minor success for Axl if he is not in GNR?!?  But if VR bombed, Slash would want no success maybe?  I think ultimately, they both want their best days to be when they were together, but individually will try to top that in their seperate bands.

I don't think Slash has any beef with Axl.  They're both making money and making new music.  Plus all the pressure is on Axl.  He has to prove he can support the Guns N' Roses name by his lonesome while Slash has already succeeded at starting an entirely new band.  Slash's role in making the Guns N' Roses name a household name will go down in history and he'll never be forgotten. 

didn't Libertad leak ???




i agree. cause if they hated each other they wouldn't want the other to succeed. That and they wouldn't talk to each other secretly :-X :P

:peace:

Did Axl and Slash have their "Last Fight" in 1996?  And then Slash just left?  Wow, listen to the lyrics, you could relate to Axl and Slash.  Maybe I am reaching here.  Ha!

I think is an honest opinion. I'm sure Slash enjoys songs as "The blues", "Madagascar" o "Catcher in the Rye"...
I'm glad too, he was kind.

Wonder if Slash will put on Chinese Demoracy, Maybe load them into Pro Tools, Delete the guitar solos and do his own!

WOWWWWWWWWWWW :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:

Aren't we all looking forward to the great, epic, mythical, soon to be released on the 12th of never album ::)

i do believe i just shat myself thinking about that posible priceless bootleg :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:

I honestly am not sure either Slash wants Axl to succeed without him and vice versa.  At this point Slash has the upper hand as we're STILL WAITING for Chinese Democracy and VR's second album is about to drop.  Not that they wish ill will upon each other, but both are brilliant at what they do and their egos can only get in the way.

after hearing VRs latest effort, Im salivating over CD even more too...yikesssssssssss

He's wanted to hear it since the end of 2005 :hihi:
I listened to an interview then and he was looking forward to hear it; this is the interview where he "heard" it was due out in 3/2006 but we all know how that turned out :-X

I could honestly wait another 3 years.  I may honestly wait another 3 years.   :P

I think that they may not like each other personally, but they respect each other's creative abilities.  No matter what else Axl has said about Slash personally, he has never, ever disrespected his playing ability.  Never.  The converse is true with Slash's feelings regarding Axl's abilities.

Ali

Example?

hahahahahahaha

lay off the booze you fucking wash-up

Interesting timing by Slash. I wonder why would he talk about this just when he's about to release an album... ::)

WOW! I couldn't wait to listen to uninspired solos with all the same again. :D

When he was suing Axl your likes attacked him for doing the legal actions for promotion and to sell more records. Now when he's saying nice things about Axl for the zillionth time in the past years, you're repeating the same bullshit. Like any Axlite would buy Libertad.  :confused: They download it, you know, since they don't give money to the 'bad boys'.

Wow, if I say something bad about Slash, that makes me "Axlite". And I barely post here... Funny.

The thing is: he said he wouldn't talk about GNR anymore. Well, he did just in time.

He don't usually say anything really bad about Axl, that's not the point. The thing is that he has a new album coming out next week and when you read the article, you see how he could make headlines talking about this subject, but EVERY site will reproduce his quote by saying also that Libertad is coming out soon.

Can't you deal with criticism without being so defensive?

Axl from 2002: "Had Slash stepped up and written what we captured glimpses of, it would have created an environment that was beyond Slash?s ability to control. He did not want to do that or put himself through the rigors of taking the band to that level even if he was capable of writing it. Was he capable of doing it? Absolutely 100%. I think that some of the riffs that were coming out of him were the meanest, most contemporary, bluesiest, rocking thing since Aerosmith?s Rocks. The 2000 version of Aerosmith Rocks or the 1996 Aerosmith Rocks by the time we would have put it out. "

Axl from late 1999: "I wanted the world to love and respect him. "

Axl from January 2006: "I love the guy, I always wanted everyone to know how great he was."

Satisfied?

Ali

Hell, leave the solo's, let's see what the others come up with.

Now if he could just delete the keys and synth..

Have you made it through Libertad yet?

Very close, quite a departure from Contraband.

I don't see why the world would be waiting for CD so badly that Slash needs to mention it to get media and consumer attention. Sometimes he answers the GN'R-related questions sometimes he doesn't. Depends on his mood. You know, he's a human being. I don't see the huge 'how to sell more VR records' conspiracy here.

Satisfied? Not really, I was looking for an example of Slash trashing Axl's abilities.  I knew that Axl had always praised Slash's talents but maybe not his work ethic.

Well, I haven't seen any of those situations.  Like I said, they may not like each other, but they have tremendous respect for each other's abilities.

Ali

My ass that he doesn't know the new songs. I bet he downloaded them just like all of us.

BTW, where did you find Axl's quote from 2006?  Just curious.

The note is out there and many webpages are reproducing it (in other languages too). All of them mentioned Libertad. Do the math.

its surprising he is looking forward to it since everything we've heard thats gonna be on Chinese Democracy blows VR's mediocre material out of the water.   

It was from the Korn party in January he went to.

Ali

in your humble opinion ofcourse....

The GnR songs are on an entirely different level that VR does not reach or even come close to.   Those are the facts.

Holy shit... Give it a rest....

calling your opinion a fact is annoying

I don't disagree with you, but the truth is they're two bands trying to do two different things musically.  There's room to enjoy them both should you choose to do so.

Ali

I suspect Slash is hardly concerned about any of the New GNR's songs supplanting the GNR songs everyone knows and loves, songs which he happened to play lead guitar on all of. His legacy isn't affected one iota if the New GNR songs are better than the VR ones. Unless CD some how supplants Appetite (based on what we have heard not likely) as the most popular and significant GNR record ever, then both VR and New GNR will always be thought of as second tier projects. One band's music being less mediocre than the others isn't going to impress anyone when both proved to make inferior music without eachother compared to their efforts as a unit.

Let's say you and a friend are business partners and each make a million a year. Say you split up and you make 500,000 a year and he makes 400,000. Are you a winner because you make 100,000 more than he does, or are you both losers because you are making drastically less separately than you were together? Fill in VR and New GNR in that scenario and you see how trivial it will be in terms of the VR vs. New GNR debate if the general public is left thinking neither band was anywhere near what the original GNR was at their peak.

And what does it mean that GnR plays almost all of AFD?  And a handful of ChiDem songs?  or the album hasnt been released yet? 

Hardly factual, just your opinion stated as such.

So chill.

And that's not a request.

i've listened to libertad (or at least attempted to) at least 6 or 7 times these last few days. I DID try to enjoy both but I can't get into Libertad.  Not my fault and you can't expect everyone to love your precious VR.

doesn't mean a damn thing.  It means GnR is playing GnR songs and the album hasn't come out yet. 

You can't tell me VR creates masterpiece epic songs like Madagascar or The Blues, or solid rockers like Chinese Democracy or Better.  Those songs all are simply above what VR does.

Again, what everyone has been saying is that is YOUR opinion. I actually think theres songs on Libertad better than most of those, however I like TWAT more than everything on it and everything you listed. Thats my opinion, it is not a "FACT". No one was trying to convince you you were wrong for liking those songs better, they were saying you were wrong for calling your view fact. Green is a color=fact. Gravity exists=fact. New GnR is better than VR=opinion. Follow?

You've made you're opinion very clear, why the need to beat people over the head with it?

You're not being insightful, just inciteful.

So again, chill the fuck out.

And again...NOT a request.

And you can't expect everyone to love Axl and Co GNR Version  ( what is this now ) like 4.0 , 2 good bands that I can dig. To me , I think Slash really pushed Axl to his creative edge as did Axl to Slash. No one else can take them to that level. Axl really has no body of work for me to judge of now , I've heard demos and I didn't like but , they are DEMOS I refuse to judge him on that alone. The better leak was pretty damn cool I will say , but it felt to me a s if he was trying to do too many things at one time. I mean their is a crazy virtouso solo , then a wierd keyboard fill , followed by a CLASSIC slash type solo.... too much things in one but I will say that besides some things it was a good song. Anyways no ones opinion is a fact , Im sure Axl will listen to Slash's body of work and Will axl , Hell im sure somewhere Izzy is listening to all of them. These guys where practically family. :beer: Why can't we get along.

what are you going to do, give me another fucking karma?    I'm simply stating my thoughts on Libertad like everyone else.    I think this is bullshit.

But you keep re stating it over and over we get it dude , you dont like VR. What more do you want?

well if you are on a GNR board in the year 2007, yes I would expect you like this incarnation of the band.

Just as if I was posting on a true Velvet Revolver forum, I'd expect that I'm a fan of that band.  But I'm not so I don't post there.  I post here from the POV of a GnR fan.

Yep

?

Over and over, we know how you feel now give it a fucking rest.


I could care less.

Has it ever occured to you that people may come here that like the OLD gnr? I think what axl has done with the band and the name is disgusting but im not shoving down any ones throat. 

i saw GNR live recently i felt that the guitarists were a bit overindulgent in their solos a bit too much guitar masturbation

I think any honest fan of past gnr (or rock music in general) -- would have to agree that Chinese Democracy's few tracks we've heard are on a totally different level than anything Velvet Revolver has put out, or probably ever will.  With that said though, it's pretty pathetic that Axl broke the original band up to basically tour the world playing the majority of old songs.   :peace: release the damn album!

Huh! Axl broke the old band up?!! I think you might find that drugs and alcohol issues broke the original band up.
 ::)

Who doesn't look forward to hearing some real music?





/jarmo

Exactly can't wait to put Libertad in my car stereo!

Can't wait to play CD through proper speakers likes it deserves!

really you should have stopped right there.

If you think Maddy and the blues are masterpieces it's obvious you wouldn't like a real rock band....and Better and Chi Dem are hardly rockers....it takes about 2-3 min into the song to get to the "rocker" part

Truth be told, I've heard the same thing about Slash's solos.

Ali

Jim Bob,

Like I said, I DON'T disagree with you, but there is room to appreciate both bands, should you CHOOSE to do so.

Ali

Interesting you're saying Better and Chinese Democracy aren't rockers, when actually the riff for Better is heavier than the majority of the "real" rock band's new alt-pop album, the heavier parts of CD are more aggressive than anything on the "real" rock band's new alt-pop album.  While we're at it, IRS is heavier than any song on Libertad.  Does that make you mad?  If those songs aren't rockers then the album you're praising as "real rock" doesn't have any rockers on it either

If you think "Chinese Democracy" isn't a rocker, you need to have your hearing checked or make sure that you have the right track, not some mislabeled Debbie Gibson song.

Ali

real rock isnt a sound but a feeling. A feeling of when hearing the tune u stand up and wanna tear shit up. A feeling when hearing the tune it makes u pumped up.? A feeling when hearing makes you get up stick your head out of the window and yell..."lets go mets" lets go mets lets go mets! lol


Better and CD give me that feeling. They give me an energy that gets me all tingly. Do they sound like AFD type songs that gave me the same feeling? Nope. But does that mean there not rockers? Nope...hell no...The spirit of gnr lives in these songs. They are ballzy and provide twists and turns. And to even compare cb/lib with half of cd..well.... :no: : ok:

Do you even know anything about GNR?  Yeah they had drug problems, etc. but the reason that they broke up (talking about Slash and Duff) is because of Axl's personality and procrastination.  Oh and to Jim Bob - I"m a huge GNR fan, old and new, but I can't just give them blind admiration without speaking of the biggest fucking elephant in a musical room ever.  If you really look at what has gone on with GNR the last 7 years (no releases) --Axl basically broke up the greateast band to move in a different direction but instead (once again w/out any released material) he has assembled a bigger band that essentially tours the world playing the original guys songs.  Another side effect of this whole shit storm is that most fans don't even respond that well to the new stuff in concert.  My whole point is that it seems romantic and almost mythical to break up your whole band to try and make this epic album, but it's just plain pathetic and crazy to go about it the way they have the last 7 years.   I like the new band, but that's what they are (glorified cover band) until they actually release something.

Do I even know anything about GN'R!  ::)  Was Pope John Paul 2 Polish??  ;)

I couldn't agree more if I said it myself

I have been a fan of GN'R's for almost 20 years, so I know quite a bit about GN'R.  I'll say this:  the fact is that the old members left on their own accord.  The quit.  Unless you were there, you have no standing or evidence to dispute that.  Everything that you might reference is either one side of the story or pure conjecture.  Short of having a gun to their head, the old members cannot claim they were coerced or forced into quitting.

Ali

And the fact that the other band members were usually too out of it to play properly.......

Once again...GNR always had issues (drugs, lates starts, etc) , but the main problem became Axl and his behavior towards the next cd (according to the remaing original members).  Axl, Slash, and Duff have all admitted that they had differences on this next album and the time is was taking (and axl's behavior), so they walked away.  That's not speculation on my part, that's known fact according to the three guys.  I like really like Slash and Duff because they were a part of the famous GNR, and I really admire Axl for what he has done in the past and what I think he could do in the future.  With all of that said, he continually fucks himself over in the eyes of most everyone who is not a dumbass.  I always have and still am really excited about Chinese Democracy, but it's far past being a joke to the majority.  If he locked himself in a room for 13 years and never said anything it would be one thing, but we're on atleast the 3rd Chinese Democracy tour...That's not the way to do it or cool...Refute that bitches!!

Sorry to break the news to you, but..

Let It Roll, Just Sixteen, Get Out The Door > Better, Chinese Democracy

Last Fight, Messages, Gravedancer > Madagascar, The Blues

You wrote one side of the story very well.........
If that's the best you can up with.........well then  ::), I can't argue with that.......

Funniest post I've seen in ages.  Thanks for the laugh  :rofl:

Hahaha oh crap, you're right. I forgot to add "Get Out The Door" to the list. Thanks for catching that.

Why not keep on letting it roll?   

For A Brother > IRS

She Mine > TWAT

Hey let's take it a step further too

SBQM > Dr. Feelgood

American Man > Back In Black

Gravedancer > Comfortably Numb

Take it a step further each time, it's fun and the beauty of it is nobody can "prove" you wrong   :smoking:

Sorry to break the news to you, but..

Expressing your opinion>expressing your opinion as fact (to paraphrase other board members)

And by the way, there are obviously several people who disagree with you, in case you haven't noticed.

Ali

"Known fact ACCORDING TO THE THREE GUYS."  You just made my argument for me.  Real facts are not according to one person or another, they exist as indisputable regardless of anyone's perspective.  The old band (Izzy, Slash and Duff) quit one at a time.  Those are the facts, the only ones that we the fans know of.  We weren't there so we can't attest to any of the circumstances as being fact.

Ali

Hey, I didn't start the discussion. I'm just responding to it by stating something that should be clear to pretty much everyone knows  : ok:


Well, I wasn't gonna say it, but I'm glad you did. I agree :)

Clear?  What's clear?  That you're a VR fan.  Besides that nothing.

Ali

Yeah, a VR fan in the VR section of the forum saying he likes VR songs. Are you surprised?!  :rofl:

I think "Spay" is the greatest thing since Welcome to the Jungle.  8)   20 years from now we'll surely be hearing it played at sporting events around the globe.

Not the point. ?You missed that. ?The point is that obviously a VR fan will favor their songs over others and THAT is all that is clear from your posts.

Ali

And a NuGNR fan will favor NuGNR songs over VR songs, that is obviously clear by all the bullshit in this thread. The difference is, I'm not going to the GNR section of the forum and saying "AHA CHINESE DEMOCRACY SUX JUST SIXTEEN OWNZ" like these other mouthbreathers are doing here.

I wouldn't say that, but it is my favorite non-ballad on the record.  It does have a kind of punky vibe to it.  Pretty cool.

Ali

And by making a post saying that it should be clear that the VR songs are better than Chinese Democracy demos, you aren't exactly rising above what the other "mouthbreathers" are doing.

Ali

Are you going to cry about it? I mean, what do you want me to say? I'm in the VR section of the forum and I like VR songs. I'm not trying to bait anyone into an argument. I'm not going to the GNR section to bash GNR songs. If you want to whine about something, it should be the NuGNR tools who are sticking around here like leeches instead of telling them "Oh, fine point good sir, however they are playing different musical styles!".

The only one here that appears to be "crying" or anything like it is you.  Why not just take yourself over to velvetrevolverforum.com if you're hoping for a 24/7 VR party

Cry? ?I don't find anything on this board or any other worth crying about, but thanks, the thought gave me a good chuckle.

Just pointing out that while you may not be initiating the arguments, with your antagonistic remarks you are furthering them.

And, they are two different bands with different sounds. ?Last I heard, we were allowed to enjoy both if we want to.

Ali

Who said I was hoping for a 24/7 VR party? All I'm saying is, if you come here for the sole reason of bashing VR songs and pumping up GNR songs and expect VR fans not to return the favor then you're an idiot.

Your sole purpose here, from what I can tell, is to praise VR and bash GnR.  Every comment you make either praises VR or insults GnR specifically Axl in some way, you have made posts calling Axl and GnR a joke and what not in the GnR section with nothing positive to say.  So it's a little ironic that you're complaining about GnR fans on a GnR site saying negative things about your favorite band VR, when you're a VR fan on a GnR site constantly bashing the band the site is dedicated to

exactly.  on a gnr site is GnR going to get preference to other bands? YES, as they should.    :rofl:

if would be like me joining velvetrevolverforum.com and doing nothing but trashing VR via their GNR section.   And I have a feeling I wouldn't last 10 posts.

I'm not bringing up Axl or GNR in any arguments. It's the people coming over here solely to bash VR that start the arguments and then get all bent out of shape when someone returns the favor.

I'm not going over to the GNR section to bash the new songs or bait people into arguments. Have I been critical of the new band? Of course, I've been very critical over the constant album delays  and lies to the fans and that's something I think most GNR fans are mad about. But it isn't like I'm, say, going into a post about last night's show setlist and saying, "OH WHO CARES, AXL IS DONE THIS BAND SUX!" like most of the stuff that goes on in here.

You have made many negative posts about GN'R in the GN'R section, so you shouldn't get bent out of shape when someone returns the favor, either.

Ali

I'm not going to pull a you know who and dig through your old posts to quote you, but you know as well as I do that you've called Axl's lyrics emo crap and have made numerous negative comments about GnR for a multitude of reasons ranging from the quality of their music to other things unrelated to that, I've never seen you say anything remotely postive about GnR and you do nothing but shower praise on VR

It's comments like these that show you don't really care for Axl, GnR, or anyone involved with the band as of 2007.  It's very clear to see

The Axl's lyrics being emo was in this VR section of the forum, in response to posts with people bashing Scott Weiland's lyrics and saying he could never write as well as Axl. As I said, I don't start these VR vs. GNR arguments.


I didn't get bent out of shape. I said what I felt about the songs. There was really no problem until you got involved.

Oh yea because the VR section of the board is the place to discuss Axl's lyrics.  ::)

just proves my point that all you fucking vr fans can do to stick up for fraud boy scott is to bash Axl.   If someone doesn't like Scott, why not show that person why they are wrong with examples about Scott and leave Axl the fuck out of it.

How many times must this be explained? The guy brought up Axl and used him to bash Scott. I've said this at least five times now - I don't bring Axl into the conversations, but I will reply when someone else does. What exactly is not clear about this? Considering your name is Jim Bob, I'm going to assume it's going to take me saying it five more times before you understand what I'm saying.

If your argument is valid then there is absolutely no point to start shit like you did in this section. If it's not valid, then the same..there is absolutely no need to start shit here. Guess if some of you bashed NIN or other band so badly like you've been bashing VR, you'd have been banned a long time ago. But unfortunately VR bashing is supported by some people who run this board.

Gee, you VR fans are such sensitive young things.......

How the hell did this thread turn into another GnR vs VR debate? Slash is looking forward to hearing Axl's material. Good for him. He is allowed to like other musicians you know-amazing I know.. ::)

It seems this old tired debate starts up everytime an Axlite takes a pop at VR. Its like they believe VR fans shouldnt be allowed to defend a band they like. I mean jeez, get the fuck over it, VR are a successful band and so who gives a fuck if you don't like them. Alot of people obviously do or they wouldn't be such a big band.

If you people hate VR so much then don't fucking post in the VR threads. Its that simple. Plus it means we won't have to read through the same old shit again and again.

And 10x more aggressive than any Gunner....... 8)

Must be the subliminals in VR songs.......

What the fuck? Read my posts in the GNR section. I SUPPORT the new band a hell of a lot. But that doesn't mean I can't defend VR, cos I support them too. Amazing how someone can do that isn't it. I'm just fed up of coming into almost every thread and reading the same old shitty debate again and again.

I don't judge VR either.....

starting shit?  I'm stating my honest opinion on velvet revolver topics.  Its only starting shit because you dont like what I have to say  ::)

if you dont see the difference between this being a GNR board and not a VR board you'd understand that my point is valid and not every GnR fan is going to like everything VR puts out or does.  but with the members here it should be understood that they are ALL GnR FANS and that they dont use other bands as a guise to bash the band this site is here for.   

seriously, anyone here who doesn't like GnR is a complete fuckin troll.

Sorry, I was wrong, YG started the shit:


but you tried to make it even worse and really offtopic:



this topic isn't about comparing Libertad to any other album. It's about Slash's gentle words towards Axl. But you just can't grow up. Opinions are opinions, bullshit is bullshit. And trolling is trolling. Everyone who constantly spams the VR section without liking the band is a complete fuckin' troll.  :yes: 

Do VR fans only have exclusive rights to some threads on your site Jarmo? I didn't realize..........

Joacim Persson of the Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet conducted a short interview with VELVET REVOLVER/ex-GUNS N' ROSES bassist Duff McKagan prior to VELVET REVOLVER's concert at the Hultsfred festival on June 14.

When asked about singer Axl Rose and his new band touring as GUNS N' ROSES, McKagan said, "I really wish that he had used a different name. But things are as they are. Unfortunately neither Slash nor I have any contact with him, and that's a bit sad."

On Axl biting a security guard in Stockholm last summer, Duff said, "Yes, I heard about that. I'll definitely bite someone during my stay in Sweden, too haha."

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=75846


I really wish those guys would just stop talking about Axl or the fact that he is using the GNR name. Its been over 10 years, just get over it.

they wanna be known as GNR.. that's all who can blame them..

But come on man, why dwell on something for so long? Ok, they don't like him using the name, but why keep saying it? Duff said the same exact thing back when he was doing interviews for Contraband. Why can't he just get over it?  ???

Explain.

Not all GN'R fans like VR.

Many Slash fans love VR (and Snakepit).

Is this a Slash site? No.



Should we tell GN'R fans they're not welcome on this board because they feel VR is nothing more than an empty shiny shell? No.

Are we gonna ban Slash fans who like nothing more than take cheap shots at GN'R because Slash decided to walk out on the band over ten years ago? It's possible,




/jarmo

Okay. You and ADZ are doing everything to ruin every VR-related thread. If any member would do the same with any Bad Obsession band he/she would have been banned a long time ago. On the other hand you two are insulting board members all the time who dare to love or like VR.


That's fine.


I know it. But can you tell me if this site is for the current GN'R only?


Of course not. Everybody should have been to express their point of view about anything here. But coming here to troll and writing one sentence spams about how much VR sucks is pathetic. Some people spend more time here to bash VR than in the GN'R section to hail Axl and his current players. Some of them writes long posts about what they dislike in VR. Well, as it seems they dislike everything but at least they're telling some reasons. I feel happy for them having so much free time that they can write this much about a band they don't like.  : ok: 
But some others are here only for the trolling, writing one sentence shit, bashing the VR members (calling them liars, fags etc.) and bringing GN'R into the conversations. They're hijacking every thread. If I wanna discuss Nu-GN'R I will go to their section. They VR section is not for Finck and Madagascar praising. I repeat it: if any member would do the same with any Bad Obsession band he/she would have been banned a long time ago.


I don't know too many here who'd criticize GN'R cause Slash left. They have plenty other reasons to criticize them. Ooops, I mean they would have, but it's not allowed here. It doesn't mean they wouldn't like the new band, but they are frustrated by getting no album from Axl since 1993. You know, they (most of them) love Axl's voice and disappointed. I agree that non-GN'R fans should be banned, but as far as I know even some mods don't care about GN'R be it past, present or future. 


For the others: it was a reply to Jarmo's post, so please don't make it into a GN'R vs. VR shit. Thank You  :peace:

reporters ask him about Axl because the general masses are still interested in what he thinks of Axl. he replies if he feels like it. voila. get the fuck over it.

Not really.

We say things you don't like.


At least we don't bring up quotes from posts you made like three years ago about something else to prove you said the "opposite" than what you say now.





Guns N' Roses is:

W. Axl Rose [vocals]
Dizzy Reed [keyboards]
Tommy Stinson [bass]
Robin Finck [guitar]
Richard Fortus [guitar]
Ron Thal [guitar]
Brain [drums]
Frank Ferrer [drums]
Chris Pitman [keyboards]


If you don't like that, what are you here for? Discuss how mush you love the cowbell parts on AFD?





You're aware that the GN'R mentions are often made by VR fans because a GN'R fan dares to say the album is crap?


VR members get called liars when they are caught lying.




If I wanna read about how much GN'R suck, I'd go visit a Slash site or Metal Sludge.

Maybe your idea of a fan site is to have a section full of posts about how they suck and how everything is so fucking frustrating. Posts about all kinds of bullshit rumors you could ever imagine just because we should have "freedom of speech". You obviously have a lot of things to complain about GN'R. Good thing you can be so excited over VR. Some of us just don't like being told what's real dangerous rock n' roll and what's not.




/jarmo

stop calling the band "Nu-GnR" and then you'd be worth having a discussion with.

Guns N' Roses is:

W. Axl Rose [vocals]
Dizzy Reed [keyboards]
Tommy Stinson [bass]
Robin Finck [guitar]
Richard Fortus [guitar]
Ron Thal [guitar]
Brain [drums]
Frank Ferrer [drums]
Chris Pitman [keyboards]


Why not just throw Izzy in your list as well Jarmo?  Him and Brain play about the same amout of shows lately.  Who is the official drummer, or do they really have two?  Can we add Brian May too?  Just kidding.

Jim Bob, if one wants to make reference to the old line up of GNR should they simply call that the "Classic" line up and the "Nu" line up be called what???????  Just Guns N Roses?  So to speak of old line up its Classic Guns N Roses.  What a fuckfest.  I think Black Sabbath actually calls the DIO years Heaven and Hell now not to be confused with the Classic Black Sabbath Ozzy era. 

Calling it "Nu-GnR' is just ignorant.  Nu isn't even a word and the only other place I've seen it used is in front of the word "metal" and we know what that means. 

Again, tell us how you want us idiot VR/GNR fans to describe our favorite band ever, "Guns N Roses"? If I go see GNR this year, I call it GNR.  But when comparing the two, tell us the "Propper" way.  Thanks Jim Bob.

Not really.? :-*



I don't care to quote you.





Today. So AFD is irrelevant @ this site? The mentions and prizes that GN'R gets for the Live Era years? If it is then why do you post these news? If not then... explain.? : ok:



I'm here cause I'm a GN'R fan. I don't dislike the current GN'R-line up. I hope they'll release a great album someday. I don't have too much to say until anything happens with that. I've taken Axl's December advice and taking a break until the album comes out.



Yeah and I don't like it.




In your mind. It's not you who decide what's true and what's not, but you're acting like you'd be superior. Hey, you are not. On the other hand you aren't this sensitive and aware of contradictions when it comes to another band. You know, things and plans can change. Likes and thoughts can change. That's why it's unfair to quote someone's previous posts? ;)



Hey, the 'dangerous' thing is 3 years old! It's not fair to quote that? ;)?
You are censoring this site so hard to please Axl. I don't know if his people asked you to do this or you wanna do everything you can to be a good stalinist, but it's your job, erm I mean your business. But acting like Merck's words were the crystal clear truth and then censor his letter the next day is more than ridiculous. That's how stalinism worked and works in this tiny little format.

Edit: quotes fixed? :-*

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 :-*


You can't figure out the quote function and you start insulting me because you have nothing to say.


Your post is a waste of time so I won't bother addressing any of it.




/jarmo

Jarmo, still waiting on your review of the album. 

Also a review of Messages please.

I knew it, I knew it! You are the greatest, Jarmo! ?:yes:

The name of the band is Guns N' Roses.  If you are refering to an older lineup, jus say so.

Thanks.

Unfortunately I was taught that "if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything".... So  :-X



/jarmo

Keep waiting.



/jarmo

I will just stick with what I said. ?The Classic Guns N Roses and Guns N Roses because apparently New Guns N Roses has a negative connotation.

What did you call the band when Matt joined? Or when Gilby joined?




/jarmo

outside of this forum, a lot of people don't even know GNR still exists. ?You think guns n roses, you think welcome to the jungle, axl, slash. I am just saying, I can understand when distinguishing the two groups,why people would refer to the new guns n roses as.....the new guns n roses.

On the other hand it's not nice to take insults this seriously if you make zillions of them. Also not nice to skip the question directed to you. But I'm not surprised. ?:peace:

BTW a VR thread got hijacked again! good job!? :yes:

Oh, you only review Mikkamakka posts to see anti GNR news, but can't review the album. ?I see. ?

I assume, cause you won't tell us, that you think its better than CB and you like Messages, but you don't wanna say it. ?

Just kidding. ?I don't care, just thought it would be intersting. ?


I like Jim Bob's review, seemed honest. ?Killing Vector, Younggunner also did good. ?I don't care if positive or not. ?I like seeing what non VR fans think. ?But I understand, its a GNR site.

It's not out yet is it?





Your questions have been addressed more than on one occasion and your "Stalinist" insults are just as original as calling me Hitler.


Since you're obviously only posting to get some kind of reaction out of me, by making those comparisons, here's one: You're banned.





/jarmo

Did you read Jarmo's post above yours? Like he said (even though it wasn't directed at you) what did you call the band when matt joined? and then Gilby?

Guns N Roses. ?Like Current GNR, they hopped on to support a new album!

Oh wait, there is no new album, but you know what I meant!

But even then, we knew that was not the "original lineup". ?But it was still "Classic". ?So anything 93 prior would be considered the Classic Era GNR and this is the New Era, or Chinese Democracy Era. ?

Since the whole era has been in support of the same album.

yes Jarmo, it is out.  Came out on June 30 in a lot of places. 

July 3 in US. 

In UK you apparently can buy it and in Japan.  So I thought it was out in Europe.  Guess I was wrong.  Its on UK Itunes. 

So does it come out in Sweden or Finland on July 3 too?

It's all fucking Guns N' Roses! I honestly do not see what is so hard to grasp there.

85-90 Guns N' Roses
90-91 Guns N' Roses
91-93 Guns N' Roses
93-96 Guns N' Roses
96-99 Guns N' Roses
99-07 Guns N' Roses

What is so hard to understand in that?

Albums were only release between 87-93.  Once CD comes out and these guys leave their mark a lot will change.  I don't think anyone miss Rob Gardner in GNR.

You guys act like GNR is the stones and replace a couple guys here and there.  GNR only has 1 original member.  What don't you understand?

Well technically they have 2, since Dizzy was suppose to join the band before Appetite. Anyway, it doesn't matter that albums were only released between 97-93. The fact is the band right now is Guns N' Roses, now if you cannot accept that then well I guess you most certainly are in the wrong place....

Yes, I agree with that for sure.

Once they release the album, the general public will accept it too. 

Perception is that its a cover band and real GNR is over.  You and I disagree, but we are not the concensus.

I thought it wasn't out until next week.

Well, I didn't get the cd yet so you'll have to wait.....



/jarmo

Sounds Good!!!!!!

i think if you are talking about both in the same context saying old and new isn't a big deal.   its the "Nu-GnR" shit that bugs me.

no, technically they have one since Dizzy, technically, didn't join the band or have anything to do with their music until 1990.

anyways, way to get off topic. can a moderator come kick out some troublemakers or something?

on topic, Slash is looking foreward to CD...pfft, he's a liar...I bet he's actually looking backwards to it! :P

If you were in a band that was your entire reason for living for that many years, then of course your gonna wanna know why one of your former bandmates went to so much trouble and pushed the group apart, took over the name etc. At the end of the day Axl had his plan and he went through with it.

If you were in that band wouldnt you want to know what all the trouble was over?

yeah for the rest of the countries it will be out next monday... I?ll have to wait too.

My friend I don't remember songs I've heard once, especially if it's been years, hell I can't even remember dinner three nights ago :hihi:

This slash message is pure positive towards axl.. Axl was MIA for a while, maybe he's just glad he's happy n out and about..