Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I'm just listening to GNR at rock in rio II and Dizzy is mentioned as the new keyboard player on estranged. And I'm just wondering as all the other members whether it was Duff,Slash,Gilby, and Matt were either fired or left of their own accord. And then I realised that Dizzy is still there after 17 yrs officially in the band.


I'm just wondering as to why he decided to stay. Was it a case of loyality to Axl or did he not have as much trouble with Axl ? I mean Dizzy is an amazing musician in his own right, and it wouldn't have been hard for the guy to have got another gig with another band had he so wished. I mean i'm glad he stayed as GN'R is better for it but was just wondering.

Well what do the great GN'R public think ?

As far as I know there isn't much known about why he stayed. Job security, belief in Axl's talents, whatever you want to believe. I know there was one interview where he was asked about ti but I don't remember him saying anything too concrete.

Because he is intelligent.

Are you calling Slash, Duff, Gilby and Matt stupid? Because we try not to insult GN'R members on this here GN'R fansite.

Ya it seems that way. I mean he has been a friend of the band since before the band become big, so maybe the fact he had been friends with Axl for nearly 22 yrs in some form had something to do with it.

And I don't think belief in Axl's talent would be a reason, it wasn't because of a doubt over Axl's talent that the others left. so why would it be an issue for Dizzy who stayed.

Well, the others had doubts about Axl's ability to put out an album they could be proud of. Slash wasn't into the direction Axl wanted to go in, and the band was frustrated over the time Axl took with UYI, they probably wanted to get something out there in the 95-96 timeframe, and thought Axl couldn't do that. Matt and Gilby just got fired, so their leaving reasons are irrelevant. I think Axl wanted Duff to stay, I think Duff left because Slash, Izzy, and Matt were gone.

I sort of rambled there, sorry.

Well ya maybe his ability to put out an Album but as to Axl's talents as a musician I doubt it very much. Sorry maybe we weren't on the same page. Agree with you on the Duff point I wish he  had stayed but I read him saying that he felt the band was a dictatorship at the time he left. And they offered him a shedload of money which he said was never his reason for doing this so why start now. And as you said the others had left by that time.

Matt and Gilby were fired, so not to them. Then you can ask yourself, however, I can tell you that the worst thing that Duff or Slash did was to go away from GN'R, in my opinion.

As you say in your opinion it was the worst thing they did. But maybe  they felt different about it and just had enough of Axl and the whole thing. We weren't there so.

axl brought dizzy into the band. dizzy needed a job badly back in the day. he was literally starving. axl put him in. he has stayed "loyal" all these years......

Isn't Dizzy in Hookers and Blow?

He left this year!

There's a bunch of "Maybe" Reasons. First  I doubt he was as worried about the direction of the band going where I think everyone else assumed it was since if anything keyboards would play a even more prominant role. It also could have been because him and Axl got along well and he never had any reason to leave. Or maybe he wasn't as financially secure as the other members and stayed cause he knew there would be an eventual huge pay day.

he never said that, thats putting words in someones mouth(post).  but none of those guys are GnR members.  thats a fact.

Saying that someone stayed because of "intelligence" strongly implies that someone who doesn't stay must be "unintelligent". If you can't see that, it's because you're trying not to.

no it doesn't imply that.   many intelligent people make many many mistakes and that doesn't mean they are unintelligent.   Dizzy was smart to stay in the band, Guns was his biggest break ever.   The guys who left had their reasons and those reasons doesn't necessarily make them unintelligent. 

He didn't say 'Because he didn't make a mistake'. He said 'Because he's intelligent.' You know what he was trying to say, as do I, even if you don't like to admit it.

It was smart for dizzy to stay..however that wouldn't make it dumb for slash and co to leave.

Its a different situation:

1. The music - At the time Axl wanted to take the band in directions that didn't involve the sleazy hard rock riffs  that slash is a master of. He was looking at taking things to a more industrial place. In terms of their role within the band...had that  occured it would have diminished slash's role and maintained or increased Dizzys. So he probably wasn't having musical disagreements with axl or feeling marganalised or anything like some other members might have been.

2. Prospect of success on their own. Dizzy is a remarkable musician and a great keys player. I loved him playing Angie recently on tour etc. However, while he is talented enough to join another mainstream act as the keys player, realistically how many vacancies are there for this kind of role out there? Would he find an act bigger than GNR to join? Its much easier for Slash and co to go out there and make a new band...as most music these days is guitar driven. Also to this end - theres the fame angle - back in the day GNR was kinda the slash and axl show - so an album like "Slash's Snakepit" would gain more attention than an album like "Dizzy's Darkside" (or whatever). 

Anyway..don't interpret this post as me bashing Dizzy, I think he's great and i'm a big fan of his. I'm just saying from the facts we know, there was little reason for him to leave GNR.

He's probably a fan of Limp Bizkit and Nine Inch Nails, the same bands Axl was inspired by at the time. The other guys weren't. Slash and Duff would understandably have no interest in playing on the likes of Silkworms or Oh My God, which is the direction Axl was pursuing at that time. Which is why they left. Dizzy clearly liked that direction.

Also, I remember readin where the other members of the band weren't too sure about Dizzy joining - Slash once said nobody apart from Axl spoke to Dizzy in the first two weeks of him being in the band. So it would be weird if Dizzy joined the other guys in walking out at a later date.

Amazing he has lasted this long - I'd love to read an autobiography of his time in the band - there can't be many who understand all that has gone on in the last seventeen years as much as him.

maybe he forgot to leave lol

What happened in 1994?  I read somewhere a long time ago that Dizzy wasn't in the band in 1994 for reasons unknown.

why did he not leave?, in my personal opinion, where is he gonna go with a keaboard?, he owe a lot to Axl, everything he have, he needs the big paycheck, he is good at his instrument, I don't what he is gonna do when if the origial line up, get back together someday, to sum up for me he have a scholarship kind of thing.

axl made an executive decision to bring him in....the rest of the guys did not want and didnt think they needed a keyboard player....

He didn't look like he was starving :D

lets see.....lets leave GUNS N ROSES...yeah thats a smart decision......Dizzy staying was a no brainer....

i took those words about starving straight from an interview dizzy did right after axl put him in the band.....

T'was just a joke about him being a bit chubby back in the days. Of course I believe you ;).

Dizzy has been loyal to all the musicians he has worked with

He is just a stand up family guy

thanks, man...sorry i didnt get it...it looks like he's starving now...he needs to put on a few...

Nice abs though! I got a close up through my binoculars at the concert.....

yes, they're really intelligent. They left Gn'R and they're writing fucking nice music. Oh, wait, I forgot Contraband and Libertad both sucks. Gimme a break, please. They're not Gn'R members, they're VR members and this is a Gn'R site. You can bitch in the VR section, but NOT HERE, please.
If they are intelligent or not we don't know, but they're fucked cause they left Axl and they can not write good music. Simple as that.

Oh, by the way I think that spending your life being drunk in a bar instead of learning how to play a fucking guitar is not intelligent.

i never understood why there is even a VR section on a gnr site. i just dont think it belongs here. the past is the past, we should focus on the here and now.....

exactly. I think it's cause of these people bitching. So jarmo created a section to all those people bitch together. :rofl:

we should start a petition to get rid of the VR section....this is a gnr site, period...

If not for the VR section there'd be nothing to talk about.  : ok:

thats true, 100%. But this a gnr site, not a vr site......the past is done....time to live in the now and the future..............

lol. there's a world tour going on. ::)

Where they play the same set each night and never mention CD. Exciting. Not to mention that this "World" tour only hits Mexico, Australia, Japan. Some world.

I think to 'live in the now' would be to ignore the fact that every song GNR have ever offically released up until this point - bar Oh My God - had Slash and Duff on it. Some had Matt and Gilby. :P

(I'm not a new-GNR-hater :beer:)

ANYWAY

Back on topic, Dizzy probably never left for the simple reason that he always got along with Axl and had no problems with musical direction.

And I don't think Slash and co. are fucked. I don't think money will ever be a problem for them.

not ignoring what the od guys contributed at all. point is this is a gnr site, not vr.....id like to see all vr related stuff be taken off .....

I understand where you're coming from but I think people have tried to get VR stuff removed before and it didn't happen.


But it was Bruno who first brought up VR in this thread. ;)

Back on topic:
Two words: Gravy train.

good point...we all overlooked the obvious...................

You people are so cynical........

What's cynical about wanting to get a steady, healthy pay check?  IF musicians weren't in music for the money they'd just sit in a room and play for themselves all day. The only reason to deal with labels, producers, crowds, tours, managers, etc. is the money. For anyone.

no, it was not me. Some guy said 'Slash Matt and Duff are my heroes they're smart and blah blah blah', so that pissed me off. He said that they're Gn'R members, lol.

I don't care how stupid/intelligent duff and the old band members are, it's just annoying remember them every post. They're past and that's all.