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Title: Bush Vetoes Stem Cell Research
Post by: freedom78 on June 20, 2007, 03:29:07 PM
Bush vetoes stem cell bill
Urges work on other stem cell lines


WASHINGTON - Pushing back against the Democratic-led Congress, President Bush vetoed a bill Wednesday that would have eased restraints on federally funded embryonic stem cell research.

Democrats, who had made the stem cell legislation a top priority when they took control of the House and Senate in January, were quick to denounce the president's decision.

"This is just one example of how the president puts ideology before science, politics before the needs of our families, just one more example of how out of touch with reality he and his party have become," Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., told the Take Back America conference of liberal activists Wednesday.

To blunt criticism, the White House said Bush is issuing an executive order directing the Health and Human Services Department to promote research into cells that ? like human embryonic stem cells ? also hold the potential of regenerating into different types of cells that might be used to battle disease.

"This is, certainly not an attempt to muzzle science," White House press secretary Tony Snow said. "It is an attempt, I think, to respect people's conscience on such an issue."

If the measure Bush vetoed would have become law, the White House said it would have compelled taxpayers for the first time in our history ? to support the deliberate destruction of human embyros.

Snow said Bush's executive order will encourage scientists to work with the government to add research on new stem cell lines ?that does not involve the creation, harming or destruction of human embryos ? to the list of projects eligible for federal funding.

"The president does not believe it's appropriate to put an end to human life for research purposes," Snow said. "That's a line he will not cross."

Override the veto?
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is expected to schedule an override vote, but the date has not been set. Democrats, however, currently do not have enough votes to override Bush's veto.

Scientists were first able to conduct research with embryonic stem cells in 1998, the NIH says. There were no federal funds for the work until Bush announced on Aug. 9, 2001, that his administration would make the funds available for lines of cells that already were in existence.

Currently, states and private organizations are permitted to fund embryonic stem cell research, but federal support is limited to cells that existed as of Aug. 9, 2001. The latest bill was aimed at lifting that restriction.

The science aside, the issue has weighty political and ethical implications.

Public opinion polls show strong support for the research, and it could return as an issue in the 2008 elections.

Opponents of the latest stem cell measure insisted that the use of embryonic stem cells was the wrong approach on moral grounds _ and possibly not even the most promising one scientifically. These opponents, who applaud Bush's veto, cite breakthroughs involving medical research conducted with adult stem cells, umbilical cord blood and amniotic fluid, none of which involve the destruction of a human embryo.

This was the third veto of Bush's presidency. His first occurred last year when he rejected legislation to allow funding of additional lines of embryonic stem cells _ a measure that passed over the objections of Republicans then in control. The second legislation he vetoed would have set timetables for U.S. troop withdrawals from Iraq.

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Title: Re: Bush Vetoes Stem Cell Research
Post by: freedom78 on June 20, 2007, 03:29:32 PM
In related news, he's still a fucking moron.  : ok: 

I have to wonder if he saw the South Park episode where (a now deceased) Christopher Reeve feasts on fetuses, consuming their stem cells and becoming a super villain.  Perhaps that's his reasoning for this veto?

If the Dems hold Congress and win the Presidency, there's going to be a first couple of months where a LOT of policies get changed...VERY quickly!


Title: Re: Bush Vetoes Stem Cell Research
Post by: The Dog on June 20, 2007, 04:05:42 PM
I think this makes me angrier than the clusterfuck that is iraq.  to hold back science like this is just criminal.


Title: Re: Bush Vetoes Stem Cell Research
Post by: Axl4Prez2004 on June 20, 2007, 04:50:48 PM
This is a travesty.  Frozen embryos die every fucking day!  Every fucking day they have the choice of expiring due to old age or we could turn a negative into a positive and allow science to advance with the use of embryonic stem cells. 

Butters is right.  At least with Iraq, there was a sliver of concern for the American people...this action is even more disgusting.  He doesn't even dress it up nicely by using the argument he doesn't care if private industry uses embryonic stem cells and that he just doesn't want federal money funding it...no, this fucking radical born-again won't be happy until all frozen embryos either die of old age or are implanted into wombs...and somewhere between now and then, you can bet your ass they'll try to stop in vitro fertilization, because guess what?  It creates more frozen embryos which eventually will die. 


Title: Re: Bush Vetoes Stem Cell Research
Post by: Izzy on June 20, 2007, 05:03:21 PM
You have to admire Bush, no one since Hitler has set out with such determination to make the world just that little bit worse.



Title: Re: Bush Vetoes Stem Cell Research
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Title: Re: Bush Vetoes Stem Cell Research
Post by: fuckin crazy on June 20, 2007, 08:48:26 PM
This Administration has led an intense assault on all the Sciences from the very first days that they took office . It is ashamed really , the GOP used to be in the vanguard when it came to research.


Title: Re: Bush Vetoes Stem Cell Research
Post by: Axl4Prez2004 on June 20, 2007, 08:56:59 PM
I think the Hitler references are a bit extreme, but he sure does some idiotic things.
He is the President.  :-[


Title: Re: Bush Vetoes Stem Cell Research
Post by: AxlsMainMan on June 20, 2007, 09:28:31 PM
He is the President.? :-[

You should be able to recall a President just as you can a Governor.. :hihi:


Title: Re: Bush Vetoes Stem Cell Research
Post by: Bill 213 on June 20, 2007, 10:58:02 PM
This just reaffirms my view that our government is utterly worthless at the current moment.  As happy as I was to have the Democrats in power, they will still be useless until 2008.  Until then our glorious tax dollars will be wasted on overbloated salaries and war mongering.

Announcing his veto to a roomful of supporters, Bush said, "If this legislation became law, it would compel American taxpayers for the first time in our history to support the deliberate destruction of human embryos. I made it clear to Congress and to the American people that I will not allow our nation to cross this moral line."   

How 'bout speaking for yourself assmonkey? The day I need this idiot to give me a lesson about morals and crossing lines is the day I seek medical attention from Dr. Kavorkian.


Title: Re: Bush Vetoes Stem Cell Research
Post by: tim_m on June 20, 2007, 11:01:22 PM
This man just doesn't fucking get it :(


Title: Re: Bush Vetoes Stem Cell Research
Post by: freedom78 on June 20, 2007, 11:03:43 PM
Announcing his veto to a roomful of supporters, Bush said, "If this legislation became law, it would compel American taxpayers for the first time in our history to support the deliberate destruction of human embryos. I made it clear to Congress and to the American people that I will not allow our nation to cross this moral line."   

How 'bout speaking for yourself assmonkey? The day I need this idiot to give me a lesson about morals and crossing lines is the day I seek medical attention from Dr. Kavorkian.

Yeah...how many needless deaths have been taxpayer subsidized in Iraq?  Not the "evil-doers" of course...just Americans and Iraqi civilians.


Title: Re: Bush Vetoes Stem Cell Research
Post by: Gordon Gekko on June 21, 2007, 02:59:26 AM
As long as he and everyone that supports his position is willing to sign a legally binding affidavit that says that they and their families will refuse ALL medical treatments and drugs that result from any Worldwide research that was conducted utilizing Stem Cell Research then I will respect their opinion.


Title: Re: Bush Vetoes Stem Cell Research
Post by: fuckin crazy on June 21, 2007, 06:27:26 AM

He is the President. :-[

He is 'mien fuhrer'


Title: Re: Bush Vetoes Stem Cell Research
Post by: gilld1 on June 21, 2007, 09:31:49 AM
Bush prefers the killing of 18-19 year old Americans to the destruction of embryos.  If only Exxon-Mobile ran the stem cell research....

This administration should be tried and executed for treason.  I will dance with joy on 1/20/09.


Title: Re: Bush Vetoes Stem Cell Research
Post by: SLCPUNK on June 21, 2007, 12:57:04 PM
Bush prefers the killing of 18-19 year old Americans to the destruction of embryos.  If only Exxon-Mobile ran the stem cell research....

This administration should be tried and executed for treason.  I will dance with joy on 1/20/09.

I can't agree with this post more.


Title: Re: Bush Vetoes Stem Cell Research
Post by: freedom78 on June 21, 2007, 01:40:01 PM
Bush prefers the killing of 18-19 year old Americans to the destruction of embryos.  If only Exxon-Mobile ran the stem cell research....

This administration should be tried and executed for treason.  I will dance with joy on 1/20/09.

I can't agree with this post more.

What if were written in chocolate syrup on the body of a beautiful woman?


Title: Re: Bush Vetoes Stem Cell Research
Post by: SLCPUNK on June 21, 2007, 04:07:41 PM


What if were written in chocolate syrup on the body of a beautiful woman?


Depends...is the woman a Democrat?