Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I met Slash, Duff, Matt and Dave yesterday, twice even:
1st time at teh airport when they arrived to Finland (they had gig in Provissirock festival last nite) and 2nd time just before their plane took off...

Duff was extremely nice, gave me 7 autographs!!! Also Slash gave me two, Matt two and Dave one but
when asked Scott for one, he just said "you would just sell it on ebay..." fuckin sweet gotta admit...mr niceguy indeed... been GNR fan 17 years so I really didnt travel f**kin 700 kilometres to get something "to sell on ebay"... but anyways gig was amazing too got over 100 photos :-) and on the airport also got photos with Slash, Duff and Matt. Gonna put photos here later (have holidays 2 weeks so will do it after that...)

love and light

Jani Lindroth alias donaltduck313 from Finland

I don't want to be an asshole , but ...

no offence but asking duff for 7 autographs takes the piss a little...what did u expect scott to say?

scott sounds like an asshole

Jeez dude ... let me get fifty eleven autographs ... do you mind one or two more ?

Awesome you met them. But geez- 7? How much did you take to sign? Good to hear Duff was cool about it though.
While it does sound shitty of Scott, as someone already posted, after seeing you get multiple autographs he may have thought you were just an eBay seller and didn't want to waste his time for your profit.

do you know scott???no you dont!
i had the pleasure of hangingwith scott twice last week and he was really nice and its people like you that dont know him or have never met him that make stupid comments like that.
if i saw somebody that wanted like 7 autogrpahs id be jubious to sign them!

awesome for you man. I do understand Scott suspision and not wanting to sign his autograph after getting so many from the others though.

who cares about scott  ::) slash and duff sure had much more reasons to behave like that... at least they?re trully rock starts... yet they?re just down to heart and the nicest guys to fans and that?s what matters in the end of the day  :)

hm sorry but I didnt ask Duff to give all those autographs he did ask if I have anything else to sign n I he did sign everything I had with me (including VR tourbook, GNR tourbook, Duffs fanclub card, Neurotic Outsiders single, his solosingle Believe in me...). So wanna underline that didnt ask then to give more than one autograph.

Matt did sign twice use your illusion cd, Slash did once and then Duff did ask Slash to sign VR new ep. Can u imagine they didnt know what it was... this Melody and the tyranny ep...they were asking "what ta fuck is this?" and then I told its yours new ep :-) Duff was holding it in his hands n Slash was next to him and then Duff asked Slash to put his autograph in it...

So I am not telling anything but they were really really nice to me all expect Scott. Hes comment just did really hurt me. I understand if he didnt wanna sign this ep but what he said I would just ask this autographs and then sell em in ebay that was and is bullshit isnt it?

DD

Yes it is... but forget about Scott and his stupid behaviour and focus on Duff and Slash who were just kind to you by giving you their autographs without moaning lol... at least that?s what I would do... I would be so fucking happy to have met those guys and have something from them... and then again... who cares about Scott.

Man, Duff seems like such a champion! Awesome to hear! Really cool he offered to sign more (and got Slash too!).
Interesting they didn't know what Melody and the Tyranny was...  :-\
And yeah, I would be pretty upset/pissed if Scott said that to me. But as with all celebrities, even they have rough days sometimes. But it would suck to catch them on one of these days none the less. But in my oppinion it's still no reason to treat fans like shit-the fans make the band, they should be appreciative. Ah well, pretty awesome getting Slash, Duff and Matt (and Dave) anyway! Congrats.

I say it probably hurts Scott ego a bit when people are all over the GNR guys with "GNR" stuff to sign. U know the guy probably feels a bit insecure anyway.


I am sitting here thinking though, how much would a Scott Weiland autograph go on Ebay? :hihi: I like Scott and all but I'm sure it wouldn't start a massive bidding war.

Well, anyway, congratulations!  That's cool! 

I found it very amusing that they didn't know what the EP even was.   ;D

I would say a scott Autograph on the ep would add $15 to list price.  Since it sold for $5 in Australia, it may make the value $20?

cool story about the EP and duff and slash but remember its more than just them in the band......Scott is a truly nice guy tho believe me.

As someone said before it's cool enough that you got Slash and Duff to sing auto graphs, wouldn't really care too much about Scott, but still I wouldn't get pissed off at him, he wasn't that rude, he just thought of an excuse, maybe he wasn't in the mood, it's not easy to be them sometimes you know???

Could this actually be a reason for a VR break up? I mean, in time,? Scott feeling misvalued or underappreciated??

Now, I know, you gotta go to Duff first, he's a cool guy and he can get Slash to sign, Duff rocks!!! Having both their signature is more than enough!!!!? ? :peace:

;o ;o ;o You lucky son of a .. I was at gig too, fuckin' killer. You met them at Helsinki-Vantaa? Was there anyone else?

treating a fan like that, when all the other band members sign it is lame, he has no idea if they would sell it all not, and for the percentage that the fan might be genuine he should have signed it, id be pretty pissed if a person whos band i contribute with fans in payments supporting didnt sign something and gave me some asshole excuse

What are you his mother?  "Oh even though he acted like an asshole to you he is still truly a nice guy he really is!"

Maybe, just maybe, he met Scott and he was a nice guy. Lots of famous people never sign autographs...don't mean shit.

Oh great, you're still visiting the section of a band you despise. Why don't you go listen to some of that great Paul Huge playing you stole off the net and leave us alone?

What an asshole... the real stars in VR autographed a lot of things and he refused?  ???

its pointless arguing about this....scott thought he was an ebay twat...and theres lots of them...and didnt sign...
just becuase duff did dosnt mean scott has too
i still stand by that scott is a nice guy...he signed for me and had pictures with us at hammersmith and even came out of his way to talk to us back at the hotel.....backstage at manchester he came out of his way to tap me on the shopulder and say hi when i was talking with matt.
im sure if he knew u were a proper fan he would definatly sign it....

I met them back when they were still playing the smaller venues before Contraband came out. Matt, Duff, and Dave were sitting around, talking with a bunch of us until a couple of assholes wandered up with drumheads and stuff screaming "Sign this sign this!". Scott walked right by us, looking straight ahead and got on the bus, no smile, eye contact, wave, or any kind of acknowledgment. Slash on the other hand walks straight on to the bus, puts his stuff down, comes out, stretches his arms out and goes "Ok, let's do this" and stayed until everyone got something signed. Was very f'n cool! But again, could have been a bad day for Scott, might not have been in the best of mood.

Sorry for wasting your time.

Funny considering:

Bassist Duff McKagan told Launch that the EP is aimed at giving fans a taste of the new record before the band hits the European festival circuit in June. "You know, you would like for people to know your material before you play it. So we're gonna put out an EP ? we convinced the record company ? we're gonna put out a CD/EP with, you know, extra, like, video footage of South America and stuff on it. And we're gonna put a cover of 'Psycho Killer' that we did on there, just some extra stuff."

The band apparently convinced the record company to put out the EP and yet he doesn't know what it was.....

Can't be that the record company put it out and the band had no say in it.... Nah, Duff said it was their idea. He just doesn't know what material they have out. Poor guy.




/jarmo

That is odd, hmmmm, any chance maybe Duff and Slash were sarcastic?  Or maybe they didn't know the artwork?  Jarmo, good find on the quote. 

Your eagerness to insult Duff and the band has apparently hindered your ability to complete a logical thought.

If Duff commented on the CD/EP, explaining its features and purpose for being, does that not prove that he indeed knows what it is? And if thats the case, whether it was his idea or not cant be determined by this anecdote, can it?  Because as weve established, hes already proven that hes well aware of it. 

But if you have any evidence to the contrary (theres a first time for everything, I understand), then please share it with us.

I met the band in 2004 and got autographs-1 from  each (not Scott) and I would not, for any amount  of money (ok, well maybe $2 billion) sell  them on ebay. That made my day and the pictures  with Slash are  my window screens on my computer. (I am  blanking out--whatever that is called  that  is the  background to the computer. Too much beer  on father's day). But there  is Slash and  I, side by side, and his t-shirt  says:

Suck me
Fuck me
Lick me all  over
Then get  the fuck out


He  is so cool. I told  my wife she needs to find me that t-shirt  so I can wear it for Bush's society.

have you read all the posts in this thread?

look: http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=46940.msg954191#msg954191

then Duff did ask Slash to sign VR new ep. Can u imagine they didnt know what it was... this Melody and the tyranny ep...they were asking "what ta fuck is this?" and then I told its yours new ep :-)

and: http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=46940.msg954458#msg954458

we convinced the record company

there you have two evidences: Duff said ''we'' convinced the record company, and donaltduck said Duff had no idea about that EP

please, Duff, not you... not another liar in this band...

estebanf  you dont like vr anyway so why do you bother trying to stir shit up....lets get back on topic.
i do believe if u wanna talk about the ep theres a place for it

ehm I believe booker was referring to the artwork...

Ill help you out with this...

If Duff had no idea about the EP, how could he have promoted and described it in detail in interviews?  Youre allowing your petty bias to get in the way of common sense.

Common sense? Man you wonder why some people say duff and slash are unreliable with their stories. This is just another reason why you can't believe a word that they say. One minute he says it was the bands idea, then the next they don't even know what it is. Come the fuck on man, they need to get their stories straight before they open their mouths.


You're allowing your blind love for them to get in the way of things.

He didn't recognise the artwork, that's all. Of course he knew about the EP.

it's nothing to do with blind love...you genuinely believe Duff didn't know about it? Surely Jarmo's quote proves he did know about it. How else could he talk about it? Presumably the record company showed them the artwork, they ok'd it and forgot all about the artwork. He didn't see it since, a fan shows it to him, Duff's a bit tired and takes him a minute to recognise it. It's a funny story more than anything else. Don't know why people are making a big deal out of it.
People accuse VR of lying over the smallest insignificant things...Slash's reasons for selling his house, Duff not recognising some artwork......it's absurd.

he didnt recognise it....hes colour blind big time....you might not know it but its true

ahahahaha, this band is getting more pathetic by the day :rofl:
like watching a fucking train wreck

You're gonna give me lessons in logical thinking?  :rofl:

I'm not insulting Duff, just saying what I see.




So Duff along with his band mates wants the EP out, but once a copy is presented to him he doesn't know that he's in fact looking at the release he wanted to put out.


Can you prove that this didn't happen?




/jarmo

Here's another scenario:

They (the band) decided they wanted to put an EP out.
They made the decisions of what material to include.
They passed it over to record label / management / whoever to do the artwork.
They go on tour.
During this time, the EP is released without the band seeing the artwork.
Perhaps that decision was finalised by management.

Hence, when our friend here bumps into them, there is an initial "What's this then?" moment when presented with the EP.
Lets not start turning this thread into a slanging match. Please.
There's enough of them out there.

^ I believe you hit the nail squarely on the head . Surely , I'm not the only one here who has had a moment similar to this in their own life .

So the suggestion that youre making is that he doesnt recognize the EP because he didnt want it out?

Thats not a logical suggestion, because we know from that quote you posted that Duff does indeed know about the release.   You at least understand that, right?  Ill repeat for emphasis: Duff definitively knew about the release and demonstrate this fact by discussing it in at least one interview.  So his failure to recognize it when a fan presented it to him at an airport does not change that basic fact and has no correlation to whether he wanted it released or not.  This is easy stuff.   

Again, we know for a fact that he knew about it before its release, so your suggestion that he doesnt know about it is illogical, as is the implication that it somehow proves he was lying about wanting it released.


Read what I just wrote.  Try to think things through.

It did happen - so what? He didn't recognise the artwork - why does that matter. I just thought it was funny. Dunno what your point is to be honest.

I admit its odd he didn't recognise the artwork - but its hardly enough evidence to hang a conspiracy theory on.

Can anyone explain me how the bassist (not the roadie, not the guitar tech, not the stage sweeper) of the band cant recongnize the artwork of his latest release?

Or are all of you saying that Donaltduck is lying?

Booker ''justify it all'' Floyd maybe has another brilliant and logical reply

I find very strange that Slash & Duff, the people who convinced the record company to release an EP, can't recognize its own EP artwork... and they have not released 24 EP's before...

His actions do remind me of cases where artists were unaware of the releases their record company had put out.

But the fact that Duff didn't recognize a release that he says was his band's idea, is a bit humorous.

I'm sure you can see the comedy in this.


That's gold Booker, gold!



/jarmo

Thats good for you.  Youre "amused" once again.  However, as we have established, Duff was well aware of the release.  That is an indisputable fact.


I believe a couple of people (monkey in a boat and estrangedpaul) already have.  But youre not really interested in any explanations, youd rather grasp at straws to suggest an illogical argument.

Are you denying the fact that he didn't seem to know what he was looking at once he saw a copy of the EP he wanted released?

Yes/No?



/jarmo

This reminds me of the time a lead singer of a band didn't know about a whole European tour.  Its amazing what these guys may or may not know.

Youre changing the subject.

I dont know what happened.  I dont know if there was a misunderstanding on the posters part, or why Duff was confused.  Im telling you what you already know - that Duff is well aware of the CD.  Youll avoid that fact, but you wont dispute it.  With that understanding in mind, it makes no sense to use his apparent confusion to draw a conclusion about whether or not he wanted the CD released.

I'll make it easy for you Booker.

#1 - Duff says the band wants the EP out.
#2 - Duff sees the EP
#3 - Duff doesn't know what he's looking at.
#4 - Duff doesn't seem to have knowledge of the product he says his band demanded the record company to put out.


Agree/disagree?

You can just post "I don't agree with (insert number) because (insert reason)".

Easy.




/jarmo

No what Jarmo asked is exactly the topic. Can't you just give a straight answer for once instead of dancing around the question?

god what does this all matters anyway?  ???

Apparently, some people have nothing better to do, today! (well, I don't either, which is why I'm lurking around, too, but, that's different......... :))

But #4 is disproved by the quote youve provided, is it not?

"You know, you would like for people to know your material before you play it. So we're gonna put out an EP ? we convinced the record company ? we're gonna put out a CD/EP with, you know, extra, like, video footage of South America and stuff on it. And we're gonna put a cover of 'Psycho Killer' that we did on there, just some extra stuff."

Sounds like he knows about the product to me.  How about you?  Let me ask the question as clearly as I can: Does that quote prove that Duff was well aware of the release? 

That fact supercedes any anecdote about an impromptu airport autograpg signing.  I think monkey in a boat and estrangedpaul offered plausible possibilities.  However, hinting that Duff was lying about wanting the EP, despite him demonstrating his clear knowledge of it in an interview, because he apparently had a moment of conclusion is illogical.

You failed to answer a simple question.

It's not about if he lied or not. I asked you a simple question, broke it down into four points and yet you fail to answer while suggesting that I need a lesson in logical thinking.


You dance around the question like your hero Scott dances around the stage.


I find your logic a bit odd.

If you give me a copy of AFD and I say "What the hell is this?", I guess you assume I'm "well aware" of GN'R's releases.  :confused: Just like you say Duff seems to be well aware of the EP when in fact he didn't recognize it.


Anyway, no need for me to go on. It seems to be impossible to get a clear simple answer from the master of logic.



/jarmo

He didn't use the proper format you requested, so here you go:

I don't agree with #4 because of the quote you posted.

"You know, you would like for people to know your material before you play it. So we're gonna put out an EP ? we convinced the record company ? we're gonna put out a CD/EP with, you know, extra, like, video footage of South America and stuff on it. And we're gonna put a cover of 'Psycho Killer' that we did on there, just some extra stuff."

Doesn't the fact that he discussed the release of the EP and pointed out that Psycho Killer would be on it prove he has knowledge of the product?

For fuck's sake.......

Ok, by your logic Duff was aware of a product he didn't recognize when he saw it.



How would you categorize the awareness level if he had recognized the EP?

Is that "very well aware" because now he seems he was just "well aware"?



/jarmo

... and by yours he knew nothing of this product despite discussing it in an interview?

 ::)

I didn't say he knew nothing.

I'm saying he didn't seem to know it good enough.


Who approved the artwork etc.?

Did they have a meeting? Was Duff absent?


But since you put it that way, it's amazing that he had no idea that was the EP he wanted to release for the fans.



/jarmo

Sure, that could be the case.? I also think there's a number of other possible reasons why we got this anecdote about "Duff not recognizing the EP" (language barrier?)...

I just don't find it as "amazing" as you... I didn't gather from Duff's quote that he was waging some war against his record company to release a very specific EP for the fans.? It's just a simple compiliation that the band suggested in my eyes, it doesn't seem like that big of a deal (they don't even sell it in North America!)... and clearly he did know something was being released.

Is it even more amazing to discuss an EP he didnt want released, or had little knowledge of, in detail?


Fair questions, I guess.  Theyre just completely irrelevant to whether or not Duff wanted the EP released.  No correlation.  You wish there was, apparently, but theres not.  Youre creating it out of thin air (or more accurately, flawed logic).

One of the problems is your insistence on trying to be clever - clearly implying that Duff is lying about the claim that he wanted the EP released, but ironically saying "It's not about if he lied or not."  And I didnt fail to answer your question, I just didnt answer in the form you suggested, and you either failed to comprehend that it was indeed an answer or simply saw an opportunity to play up a petty technicality.  Eazy Es post addressed that perfectly.

Duff could have lied. If he was telling the truth, why he didn't recognise the EP, or its artwork? It makes no sense to me...

There is NO CHANCE that the same person that encouraged the record company to release a EP can forget or dont know how that EP looks like. I dont know how is your reasoning... Or maybe the record company put that artwork without asking the band, not even showing it to the band before releasing it?

Some of you need to say ''I dont believe in donaltduck, he is lying'', and that would solve all this discussion

so some guy met VR in finland twice a day?. that is cool and on topic :P

Yes, you failed. You also fail to be funny or clever by making assumptions about my posts which are nothing but bullshit.

I asked you very simple questions.


If you demand your record company to put out an EP for the fans, how come you don't recognize it when you see the final product? According to you, he was "well aware" of it.

But yet the "well aware" bass player didn't recognize the EP his band mates wanted to release.

Does that mean he wasn't very involved in the process or did he just forget about the EP?


Keep dancing Booker.  : ok:




/jarmo

Just wondering ... hasn't anyone here ever worked on a project , and and a month later , when the secretary drops the completed document on your desk , ask 'what is this' ?

Jeesssus Christ this is fucking pathetic.
Some guy met VR- that's awesome. Who gives a fuck about wheather Duff recognised the EP or not? Maybe he just didn't recognise it? Maybe he was joking aroung saying 'what's this?'. Maybe the threadstarter misheard him, or misquoted him? Who cares?
It's rich how all the usual people are running around, up in arms about how 'Duff lies', 'Slash lies' and all that shit when it's pretty obvious that the VR camp is a lot more reliable and trust worthy than the allmighty GnR camp, yet god-forbid that's brought up.

Only if it's money making..

What I take from this is two things,

#1) Duff was so surprised to physically see the EP for the first time so he was like, "Hey, what is this", like "What do we have here", almost as if he is proud, but maybe since in another language, Donaldduck didn't pick up the sarcasm.

#2) Duff had no clue if it was a pirated illegal copy, a different title than previously planned, or different artwork, or unknown artwork.

Those are the only two possible scenarios.

It's funny how this all started over a supposed meeting some guy had with VR that you are now taking as gospel. We KNOW for a fact Duff knew about the EP because of the quote you posted. Now whether this guys story is bullshit, or Duff was tired, or he didn't recognize the album cover, or the guy misunderstood Duff, who really knows?

But what the fuck are you trying to prove? That Duff didn't know about the release? Obviously, he was from the quote you posted. That Duff knew there was an album being released but knows nothing of what is on it? Once again, wrong because we have a quote from Duff that speaks in detail about the release. So maybe you're trying to say that Duff has a bad memory?

Despite how astounded you seem to be with this non-story, I don't find it quite as amazing as oh, say, Richard Fortus not knowing whether or not Chris Pitman is in GN'R, or certain members of certain bands not knowing who their drummer is in a given month.

Well said, ZRO - Smoking Guns, I was going to suggest your point 1 myself.

At the end of the day, none of this matters.
To be honest, it's only relevance is to prove how biased Jarmo is becoming.

And I mean this with no disrepsect, because I appreciate the job you do for this site, Jarmo - but please, take a step back & try to look at things from all angles.

This is an inconsequential comment, that could be looked at in so many angles but in all likelyhood is entirely without weight.

There is no reason to try & twist it into a "Duff is a liar" thread, which you appear to be insistent on doing.

I'm sorry to have to say all the above, as I know that now my "card is marked" now. I'm sure you've probably now decided, as I'm "defending" an incident with Duff that I'm some VR fanboy - which, in all honesty, is not the case. I am just trying to remain impartial, and throw some common sense into a situation that has been blown out of all proportions, and asking you to just take a step back & chill out.

Yeh, Jarmo you should just chill out!

May I suggest these threads: "Jarmo", or the "HTGTH Appreciation Thread" or even "Congrats to Jarmo" - all good reads...........

FACT-Duff is colour blind....hence why he allways wears black and allways wears glasses.
he signed my camp freddy t-shirt last week and was looking at it for ages....he told me he cant see very well and made a joke about it when i saw him backstage.
he just didnt recognise the ep in my opinion but isnt this topic about some dude meeting the guys....the ep has a different place i thought...

Good to know I'm not the only one who feels this way.   :)

I didn't, it was some of you who got very defensive because I happened to point out that the guy didn't recognize the product he claims his band demanded the record company to release.



The incident does remind me of occasions when an artist is totally unaware of a record put out by his/her current/previous record company. It doesn't mean this is one of those occasions.

I didn't say he lied, but some started defending him as if I had said that.


I asked very simple questions and nobody would answer them. So, who's looking at things from different angles?

It's all "No! You just hate them!" from some of you.




/jarmo

what's the deal with these off topic discussions?  :smoking:

on topic, what was Dave like?

I don't think anyone's trying to get defensive, but - personally speaking - I do feel forced into a backfoot position by you & some of your comments.
I'm sure I'm not alone.
It doesn't mean it isn't either, though - does it? But you seem to be heavily implying otherwise.
I'm not trying to say that you did - I'm just asking, and I hope that you believe me when I say that I ask this with respect - speaking as someone who appreciates the hard work you put into maintaining this site - that you try to excersise a modicum of impartiality.
It does appear that in most, if not all, VR threads, you come in quite heavy handed offering a negative opinion of what are, really, very trivial things. Yet woe betide anyone who says even the smallest thing against Guns.
This - again, personally speaking, is a prime example, and that's why I bring it up now.
Let's be fair, no one but Duff can give you the accurate answer that you want. But myself, and a number of other posters have offered various sensible opinions on what may have happened. I think it's fair to say that what was reported by the guy that met them was nothing but an offhand comment that could even be meant as a joke, or could indicate that Duff himself has perhaps not seen the artwork, or any number of reasonable explanations.
Personally, I'm not trying to say that at all. I'm just trying to engage you in a reasonable discussion about an issue that I perceive to be occuring. From other posts on this forum, I do get the feeling that I'm not the only one.
It's my intention to ask politely, and explain a reasonable point of view. I hope you understand.

I come in peace, and all that.

So you do believe that he asked the record company to release the CD?



Well, you do dislike them.  And you exclusively criticize them, so perhaps you shouldnt be so surprised, or disappointed, by that reaction.

Too bad I guess, but as I've pointed out, this isn't a VR fan site.

Maybe you need to get used to the fact that this isn't meant as that?

You know, I'm sure STP fans have opinions on VR. Some probably don't like it because their favorite members aren't in the band.

Same with GN'R fans.




I presented my opinion.




This is a Guns N' Roses site.

Anybody who comes here to talk shit about GN'R is obviously on the wrong fucking site.


If you come here as a GN'R fan who doesn't appreciate Scott Weiland, I see no problem with that. Do you?





Sure, and I asked some very simple questions and was met with all this "why are you here" bullshit.....






When I see something said by a certain individual I react. It can either make me laugh, smile or whatever.

I tend to think some things VR have said is wrong. For example the canceled shows. The site says scheduling conflicts, Slash says money issues.

Another example is the fact that Slash said there'd be no GN'R songs while other guys say otherwise.


Now the funny guys here will start bringing up Axl's "see you next summer" things. Something didn't go as planned. Good for you!




I guess they wanted some songs out for the fans to hear before the album, but it's still mildly "amusing" that he didn't recognize the finished product.

An artist wants something released and then doesn't recognize it. I assume this is logical and is what you meant when you wanted to teach me something about logical thinking?





So because I don't idolize the ground they walk on and when I ask a question, it's no a valid question and it's ok for you to dance around it?



/jarmo

Some of the stuff here is ridiculous. Being a fan of a band doesn't mean you have to blindly defend them 110% all the time. If someone doesn't like the fact that Axl lies to his fans (a lot), so fucking what? This is a GNR forum, Axl is in GNR, what's the big deal? Everything doesn't have to be sugar coated. It doesn't mean you're "talking shit", you can still be a fan of the band and have a negative view of some things they do.

On the same token, if you think  Slash's solos aren't what they once were, fine, that's a valid opinion, but shit on here like, "OMGZ  SLASH IS SELLING HIS HOUSE, HE MUST BE BROKE!!" or having a 5-page thread picking apart whether or not Duff recognized an EP his band put out (and we still don't know if this guy ever met Duff) is just petty crap that would never fly in the GNR section of this forum. And I know this is a GNR site, but if you're going to have such a double standard, why the fuck even have the VR forum on here then? Just delete it so we can spend all our time on here talking about how wonderful GNR is.

Well, you have the choice to fuck off then.

Sorry to be so blunt, but that's how it is.


Obviously this site isn't meant to cater to everybody.

You either get it or you don't.





/jarmo

Why do you demand everyone answer your questions when you can't answer any of ours? Fuck off? Jeez, you're testy.

So I'll ask again, why do you even bother with a VR forum if you're going to have such a double standard?

I'm gonna have to try to spell it out for you again:


- This is a Guns N' Roses site.

- If you love Guns N' Roses, you're welcome.

- This is not a Velvet Revolver site.

- If you love Velvet Revolver and hate Guns N' Roses, maybe you're on the wrong site.

- If you love Guns N' Roses and are interested in Velvet Revolver, you can post in this section. *



* Doesn't mean you have to love them because as mentioned above, this is not a Velvet Revolver site. They have their own fan sites where you can spend your time if the above is an issue for you.




/jarmo

I know.


Good, I love Guns N' Roses.


I know.


Who said that? I love both. It *is* possible to like both bands, you know.


Nothing that you wrote answered my question so let me try it again. Since you obviously don't like VR, bash them every chance you get and moderate this forum differently than you do the GNR forum, why even bother with it? Before you say "THIS IS A GNR SITE" - I realize that, but does that mean you have to run the site with a double standard? And  if so, why waste your time with the VR portion of the site? This has become nothing but a playground for you to come and bicker about every little thing they say or do.

I did answer your question. The answer is right there. Read it and think about it.

No wonder I have to repeat everything for you.



I don't really moderate this section. If I did, some of you would've gotten warned for turning threads to be about GN'R.  : ok:




/jarmo

Nice cop out. I'll be sure to remember that next time we get into a six-page thread about why Slash uses different tooth paste on the 2007 tour than he did on the 2004 tour.

Whatever you say.

 ::)



/jarmo

ha!!!!!!!!!!

Slash's teeth..... Reminds me of the topic I once saw in another part of this board. 

I see your point.  I am allowed to love VR and critique them here as I see fit.  I am allowed to love GNR, but am not allowed to critique them as I see fit.  That is what you find bothersome.  As do I.  But its not our site.  Its not the posters, its Jarmo's.  Period. 

I just wish Jarmo would actually speak about the new music VR makes instead of the petty shit.

i dont know how many times you can be told its a GNR site, not a VR site.  So if there is some bias its understandable.   i'm sure you guys can find a VR forum where everyone loves the band.

Jim Bob, the point is, if I want to put down something stupid the Guns N Roses did last week or something, I am not allowed.  Why is that?  Why the fuck can we only talk in positive terms?

I think if you have constructive criticisms to make as long as they aren't false or harmful they can be made.  if you are only coming to a GnR board to put down GnR, it makes you look like a troll.   I would think a fan of a band would have way more positive to say then negative.  jmo.

The topic is about someone who met VR.  Not what you can and cannot talk about in the GnR sections.   Rules are rules and they are there for a reason. 

It's not about everyone exclusivly loving the band and everything they do, seeing the world through pink glasses, without being able to pick out any flaws (this isn't the GnR section after all ?::)). It's about a number of people who come in just to troll and stir shit, without adding anything at all apart from sarcastic or snide crap.
I don't know, are these people jealous of VR- that they 3 ex-gunners together are actually releasing music, keeping in touch with fans? Is that why they feel the need just to stir shit for the sake of it?
I agree with ZRO; maybe the VR section should be removed, because it's just showing how pathetic some people can be.

hey i'm with you guys, i'd love to see the VR section removed.    weed out those who come here and dont like the band.  :peace:

but its cool to have it here i guess for those fans who do like both bands.

Jim Bob, I am not a problem on the GNR thread at all.  I just saw way too many times from the most adamant GNR fans getting frustrated when questioning the band.  Younggunner is one I remember in particular.  I think the VR part of the board is good for the same reason you stated.  I sincerely like both bands.  Shocking.

Yeah, it is cool to have for people who like both bands, as you said. But the fact is, it's become a joke, and a place where you feel backed up, due to a 'us or them' mentality of prople who troll round here, turning it into pretty much a bitch board...

Yeah, yeah, I know- "This isn't a VR board, it is a GnR board" yadda yadda yadda.

This really has got quite silly.

I see it like this:

1. Some people are fans of some or all of the VR line up.
2. Some people are fans of some or all of the original GNR line-up.
3. Some people are fans of some or all of the current GNR line up.

Many people like all of the above or various different combinations of the above.

To me people that have a history in GNR will always be of relevance on a GNR board...even if its years ago that they left. So for this reason, i see no problem with people talking about Slash, Buckethead, Izzy etc. Making a section where that can take place is just common sense...otherwise it will intrude into the current line up area...and annoy people who's only interest is the new band. VR is more prolific and successful than the other side projects (snakepit etc) that's why it has its own section, as with albums currently coming out and stuff it would get more posts than if it was just in the general ex-members discussion.

I really don't understand why we can't all live and let live.

If you don't like the new band...why go there and start shit with people who do? Likewise if you really hate VR as it seems some people do, what is it achieving to come here and antagonize people that do?

U know what I dont like about people like Jim Bob?


if Axl sang on Contraband he would call it one of the greatest albums ever. U can even leave the songs exactly the same only have Axl singing and I guarantee Jim Bob and others like him wouldn't shut up about their awesomeness.

I don't mind people that dont like VR but it just seems some are haters simply cause of Scott and what he said about Axl.

You know what I dont like about people like D?

he assumes too much and doesn't know when to shut his fucking mouth and doesnt know how to keep a topic on a messageboard ON TOPIC.

What I don't get is that while this is a GN'R discussion board, I've always held it pretty high in regards to great intelligent musical discussion, and having the board moderator here in the VR section making fun and stirring up shit in the VR section simply "because it's a GN'R board and we can do that" makes not much sense to me. And who's to assume the ones starting shit in the GN'R sections are solely VR fans anyway?


Oh, and congrats to the dude who got to meet VR! : ok:

So many great points have been made.  I agree that it's time to remove the VR section.  This is ludicrous.  This is about GnR and it's always been a great site because it's been so inclusive of everyone who's ever been in it.  So, why does VR get it's own section?  Why not Ju Ju Hounds?  Why not Loaded?  Why not Gilby's bands?  Why not Snakepit?  Why not Adler's Appetite?  Dead Horse is Dead Horse - former members despite what they've done.  I agree, VR has it's own forums, for fans to go to.  All this is doing, at this point, is to bring about the arguments that have ensued.  And it continues on with the sentiment of "it's ok to talk shit about VR because this is a GnR site, but don't talk shit about GnR, and God forbid - Axl, because this is a GnR site".  I do understand where Jarmo is coming from, but it's still not right.  It's just not, anymore. 

I like having the VR section here, I mean hell, there's even a GN'R section on VR's message board, so I see no problem in there being one here aside from hypocrites who come here ot bash them because "this is a GN'R board" and supposedly it's ok. No, it's not ok. It is possible to like BOTH bands. Who would've thought... ;D

There's a big difference, with that message board, and the GnR section, as to how people post, as compared to this one with the VR section.         

unfortunately, record labels have too much power. i used to think axl had almost total control until a few years ago when he said the record label "thought we could make it better."

No theres not. The people over there completely rip guns to shreds even when theres nothing to rip on them about.  ::)

Oh you mean just like your doing over here with vr  ::) how mature....

How am I ripping them? What have I said lately that could be considered "ripping"? That's what I thought....

I'm not gonna get into a semantics debate with you....

99.9% of the posts you make in the vr section are just an attempt to start shit...

Same goes for you in the gnr section....

At least there's a reason to bitch there. You can only nitpick at VR, unless you don't like the music. But, if you didn't like the music, you wouldn't be in this section would you?

Since we all know the answer to that question, why don't you leave and go listen to that Paul Huge playing you stole off the internet?