Here Today... Gone To Hell!

as usually hateful and misleading

"Don't Worry, You'll Hear a Solo" sneers scott weiland in response to the chants of "Slash/Duff" that greet VR. At least he's aware of his patrick stump status-what's more baffling is the fact that his bandmates still haven't noticed how out of place the over-posturing singer is with VR's good time vibe, as his sexless arsenal of struts and spins reach pain threshold in mere minutes 'slither' and new single 'she builds quick machines' bring a brief, dirty swagger to proceedings, but a lousy sound and the sense that this is a band getting by too much on former rather than current glories makes their hour-long set a gruelling one.

2K's outta 5

haha well, a big middle finger to the shittest "rock" magazine on the planet.

the video streams clearly tell a different story....

u should read, loads of bands got slated, they said linkin park where awful, but couldn't understand why the crowd loved them, and wolfmother shouldn't have been so high up on the bill

why are they making fun of scott's moves? i think he has awesome stage presence. would they rather see him just standing there like most rock frontman out there right now? *cough* chester bennington *cough*

2 k's out of 5 sounds about right for a band like velvet revolver.

is that bashing of VR i here, it can only be Jim bob, if u don't like VR , go to the main board, and say how much better fink is to slash!!!

sounds about right? according to your opinion? because the average VR reviews as of late have been nothing short of astounding. don't spew your crap here troll

What a bunch of douchebags...One has to wonder if they even saw the show

As for the stump status thing


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Nuff said  :smoking:

Dont worry guys, when Kerrang trashes GNR Jim Bob will be the first to say what a piece of shit mag they are. : ok:

This comes from the magazine with a different emo band on the cover each month. Kerrang is a useless magazine, every performance of VR I've seen (2 videos once in real life) was amazing so kerrang can shove there crappy magazine up their asses.

P.S kerrang will trash any band who dont have crappy haircuts and whine all the time.

Kerrang! are right about Scott, but they still don't know how to review a gig.



/jarmo

Gee they should love Scott then.....

wow, Scott never said something like ''dont worry, you'll hear a solo'' in Buenos Aires, even when the 55.000 people where only focused in Slash and screaming his name all the time.

It must be very hard for Weiland to be ignored that way.

Anyway, dont pay too much attention to Kerrang... most of the things it says are bullshit

Correct me if I am wrong, but Jarmo werent u a Scott fan maybe not a fan but didnt u like Scott till he bashed Axl?


Not tryin to argue just curious.

He doesn't have the hair cut.

No, he wasnt.  He did posture as a VR fan for a bit, though he was almost as exclusively critical as he is now. 

Now he admits that hes not a fan at all, but apparently bought their latest release. 

Other writers at Kerrang! havent been so harsh on the band:

"From the wailing sirens that usher in the opener "Sucker Train Blues", Contraband takes a sick gleeful joy in taking your memories of their past achievements, spiking their drinks and pushing them into the back of a seedy mini cab headed for the darker side of town.

Weiland is Master of Ceremonies here, playing a nasty little bastard who rabbits bad news in your ear like a reptillian Joe Pesci conducting a guided tour of Dante's Hell AKA LA: It's all coke, comedowns and con artists. But in LA you take your troubles and face them on down. Which makes Contraband's ballads, notably "Fall To Pieces" and the Beatles-esque "You Got No Right" things of rare, cracked beauty." - Kerrang!s review of Contraband

VR also won Best International Newcomer at the Kerrang! Awards.

I'm guessing you guys are outside the U.S.? ?Because scott is HUGE here in the states, and among the younger crowd at a lot of venues he is much more popular than the GnR folk

Who are you? My spokesperson?

I thought they were Ok. After all the hype I really wanted to like them. Once the excitement is gone, I realized the album is nothing that great.  The live shows were fun. If you don't have anything better to do and you can keep your eyes away from the dancing lead vocalist.

Weiland has always been a "what the fuck is so great about that guy?" type of thing for me. For me, he was riding the grunge bandwagon and STP was basically a one hit wonder (no, they were never big in Europe).

I tried to like him, but to be honest the only reason I went to see VR was to see what Slash and Duff were up to.


I just think other bands put on a more enjoyable live show with better songs. That's why I go see concerts, the music. Not just to see people who used be in a band I love.



Quote me where I said I bought it.

You're making assumptions.

There's many ways to acquire music. Buying it, receiving it as a gift etc.....



/jarmo

Okay, so how did you acquire their latest release?

I also found it amusing that the only comment you could offer on "Just 16" was uncertainty as to whether it was poorly mixed or simply mumbled.  Arent you a Pearl Jam fan?

Why is that such an important matter to you?

Get your own life.




I love Pearl Jam.

Now there's a band with a talented lead vocalist who doesn't need to strut around the stage when performing his mumbling!

 :drool:


So I assume just because Brendan produced some quality material with another band, I must admire the fact that Weiland's singing is hard to make out?

 ::)



/jarmo

jarmo...i know what u mean....i still havnt figured all the vocals to just 16 yet...the vocal mix is terrible....not sure if its supposed to be like that

one hit wonder? I don't even know what song you would be referring to (interstate love song?). they have FIFTEEN top ten singles

Not outside the US they don't! Outside the US they are practically unknown.

Back on topic:

It  has been years since  I have taken reviews seriously. Most of the time the reviewers are little twits who know  nothing and are not smart enough to tell me what  I should or should not like. So I stopped taking any of those  rags seriously long  ago, including RS, which is a pretentious megalomanical piece of shit. (IMHO).

So when you hear that an artist, particularly an American one, has a number one song or album, do you assume its in Finland?



Youre a bit defensive, and very evasive, on this one.  It almost seems like youre hiding something. 

It seems odd to me that you would have any interest in checking out new material from a band you clearly dislike.  So it would be even odder if you purchased that material. 

Or perhaps you obtained it illegally?  Thats hard to believe since you frown upon illegal downloads, but it would explain your defensiveness.


I think your revelation that mumbling really isnt the problem and reference to the singers stage moves in a discussion about a studio recording prove how shallow your criticism is.


No, it just once again illuminates your selective negativity.  Kind of like this (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=16619.0).   : ok:

Is that what I said? No? Then I suggest you get that fucking bug out of your ass, and stop acting so high and mighty.  : ok:

Jarmo does have an interest in VR.  He runs a GNR and VR is the next hottest topic on the GNR board.  It would be like in 1992 a Pearl Jam fan not acknowledging a band like Nirvana.  He does have a vested interest in VR.  That interest it to hope they fail so that most will see GNR is the better band.  He doesn't want two bands on the same level.  That would be bad for business.  Ha. 

In his reveiws, points out only negatives.  Why not say, "Just 16 really rocked and had a great groove, though I wish I could understand the lead singer, musically the song rocks."  But we have no clue what Jarmo thinks, except he hates the singer.

Hey, but Pearl Jam and Nirvana are both great bands, with brilliant songwritters/frontmen, with amazing albums, very deep lyrics and these two bands have A LOT in common.

In fact, Guns N' Roses could be easily associated with these two bands: another great band, a pair of brilliant songwritters (Axl n' Izzy), amazing albums, deep lyrics, etc.

These three bands are in the same league. They do similar kind of music, similar genres. GNR might be a little harder than the other two, but they are similar bands globally.

But how can you associate such a great band like GNR with... VR? I mean, Stone Temple Pilots was a great band, not at the same level than GNR, but still a great band. But VR lacks everything that makes GNR/PJ/Nirvana great bands. They dont play the same kind of music than GNR, they dont have any brilliant songwritter, they dont have any great frontman, no great albums, no great lyrics, nothing.

If VR is related in one way or another is JUST because of three names. Most of the PJ fans also know Nirvana and also like Nirvana. A parallel example could be between GNR and Metallica fans.

But most of the GNR fans only know VR (because of Matt/Slash/Duff's past in GNR), but not necesarily like VR.

I see your point!  I was saying since VR is talked a lot here on this forum.

GNR blows PJ and Nirvana away.   Pearl Jam was a great rock band (classic rock feel) and in my opinion smokes Nirvana.  Nirvana is the most overrated band of all freaking time.  Much like the Beatles and the Stones, the simpler band got the most praise.  Not many people ride around listening to the Nevermind album.  But a shitload still listen to something from Appetite daily.

Why, oh why, must everything become a GNR v. VR debate? 

Kerrang gave VR's performance KK.  That's fine, if deserved, though Kerrang's taste in music leaves me doubting their credibility.

Get back on topic. 

Everyone.

Thanks Falcon, shut the fuck up Booker.  :-*

I'm "defensive" because I knew it'd get to you. Surprise, surprise.....  :rofl:



Only for you, Booker and a few others do VR matter that much.   ;D




Ask Booker why he decided to drag this off topic.

Then he edits his post to make it seem like the majority of it wasn't about me.  :rofl:




Once again you guys manage to  turn a thread off topic.

How convenient. Kerrang! didn't like your favorite band or vocalist so you turn it to be about me, this site or GN'R.  : ok:





/jarmo

Esteban why do u say GNR had a pair of talented songwriters *Axl and Izzy* as if trying to eliminate the more brilliant stuff wrote by Slash *Jungle,SCOM,Locomotive,Coma,NR and Estranged Solo's,melodies.....

I was reading a friends copy of this Kerrang, and I gotta say, it's the most amusing magazine I've read for a while.  Trashing bands like Wolfmother, Buckcherry and Velvet Revolver, and raving about My Chemical Romance, and Bowling For Soup.  From what I watched of the VR webstream, it was a great performance, and the crowd seemed to dig it as well.  A couple of friends of mine were there, and they said it was great as well. 

Jarmo and Booker, couldn't that stuff be taken to PM's?  Booker, there's no need to antagonise the dude, he's made it fairly clear about how he feels about VR.  Half the VR threads these days seems to turn into an argument between you two, can't at least one of you just rise above it? 

I know one of you's admin and all, but you oughta lead by example. 

i was a fan of gnr first time around ,im also a huge vr fan-i love scott.
either u like vr or you dont...nobody is forcing you to.
dissing them is going nowhere,its like the tv if you dont like whats on dont watch....theres no point in moaning like a bitch.
i feel theres some here who feel an alliance to axl and dont like vr becuase of that and a few here should know better.

this is a gnr board, not a vr board.   this section is for gnr fans to discuss vr.   not everyone is gonna be a fan, deal with it.

Ill think you will find this is the most discussed topic on the board apart from GNR

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=21219.0

Not that i EVER read it  :-X

 :hihi: lol okay bro. you continue to dedicate your time to a band you don't and never will like. You have lost your validity with your immature comments. I admit its annoying to have to sift through so much crap in the VR sections, but I will "deal" with it.

They already did.  They gave GNR's performance at last years Download Festival 0 K's out of 5...... possibly the only time they've given a band zero. 

Kerrang's live reviews are always pretty ropey at best.

That's not really true as they sold like, 22 million CDs in the US and had several radio staples. While I was not at this show, the reviewer may have been right about the shitty sound system. When I saw VR in '04 the sound system sucked pretty hard. Apart from that the review is typical Kerang bullshit.

I thought he said, "no one is here solo" or something like that.
It was a trashy review, but it's only that - there's great reviews and there's horrible ones about any band.

Its quite funny how some people get all offended when a magazine trashes one of their favourite bands. Jeez people, its just a review, and by Kerrang FOR GODS SAKE. Kerrang are an absolute joke these days just like most of the music magazines out there. They just follow the clique of what the kids like and move from scene to scene as the cliques change in popularity. The only music magazine worth reading these days is Classic Rock.

Preach on!  And they give away the best free CDs.  Sons of Guns was pretty damned good. :headbanger:

Depends what you wanna read. Some of their "new" articles are basically re-printed interviews made like 15 years ago......




/jarmo

very true jarmo

if thats the case, i'm a GNR fan let me go into the main board and bash this line-up and say axl is liar etc etc etc, but i would banned for that!!!

after all not everyone likes this version of the band, but you can't say anything about that!

IT'S FUN TO STAY AT THE YYYYYY-M-C-A! :rofl: :hihi: