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Former GUNS N' ROSES Members Join Forces With BOOTSY COLLINS In SCIENCE FICTION - June 11, 2007 
 
Greg Prato of Billboard.com reports that former GUNS N' ROSES members Buckethead (guitar) and Brain (drums) have joined forces with bassist Bootsy Collins in a new project dubbed SCIENCE FICTION.

SCIENCE FACTION's yet-to-be-titled debut (which is being co-produced by Collins and guitarist Greg Hampton) is set for worldwide release early next year, with a tour to follow. Song titles include "L.O.A.F. (Living on Another Frequency)", "Fatally Flawed Flesh", "Neuro World", and a track with a working title of "Living in Eden".

"We're looking at it like, 'What would happen if we wound up a situation down the line as we evolve, that our technology takes over and we are the ones that they're looking at as 'the scum of the earth'," Collins tells Billboard.com. "It's kind of like 'Planet of the Apes.' What would they be like? What would that feel like? We're just trying to warn the world that that's comin', and we're having fun with that."
 

DAMN what a shame...hearin the name Buckethead brings a tear to my eye everytime.

no he's not

your right he just played with axl in australia last night

no, but brain himself has said that he'll be back when the record is out.. and that he will be "rocking out" with gnr sometime in 2007.. right now he's spending time with his family and side projects near his home.. that is what he has said and what is official until he, axl or someone else says otherwise (and by someone else i don't mean some random pesimistic fan :-*)

let's see what mysteron says about this..

is not big deal..
he is in hiatus
he will come back.. when the record is done and ready to realase
believe me

the fact that brain is in or out is like the release date for CHINESE DEMOCRACY its not confirmed yet :P

why, when the energy live is good with frank switch back to brain....makes no sense...its hard to take anything somebody says with a -3 karma serious..

So because Brain is doing a project with Bootsy Collins, it means that he is no longer with GN'R?  ::) :hihi:

i think hes out...i've thought so for a long while

think about it he can record with Serj from Slipnot, with BH, he did another praxis album and has done numerous one off shows all since his kids been born. then he says that when CD comes out he MAY be back ::) seriously hes not gonna be back....


and on the off chance, if Brain comes back then I think that BH will be back also.... just my opinion :peace:

you got your opinon while I got my facts.. that's all i need to know and care about..

what did mysteron say about it?


that's system of a down ;)

I'm just glad Brain's getting to make music. ?He'a ?really talented guy, and the prospect of hearing he and Buckethead with Bootsy Collins is pretty exciting. ?The album sounds like a lot of fun. ?I'm looking forward to it.

haha oops i dont listen to either of those bands sorry :hihi:


making his own music has to beat playing 20 year old songs that he had no hand in writing and prolly didnt even care for growing up

REAL band members don't go do side projects while the band itself is out on tour...he is no member of G N R at this point.

Im sure he will always be with gnr /axl one way or another whether its playing live or royaltie payments ....but as of now on the cover looking in.......brain is not  with the band

Who cares if he isn't?  I would rather have Frank.

i , as well as many other people care because brain is a freakin' all-star. he was there since the re-incarnation of the band and went through the writing, recording, and touring since 2001. he makes the band so much better. i should know. ive been to over 40 "new" gnr shows..the shows with brain were much better, hands down...i hope he is still in the band...his absence from the band for the last 9 months or so can not be a good sign....

brain is NOT out. he said in an intervew 2-3 weeks ago that hell be with Guns sometime in 2007, and will be back when CD is released

Good call CheapJon


Oh, come on.
like MotherGoose said, the album sounds fun.


Brain says he hopes to see us at concerts when cd comes out. Ooops, motley beat me.

we will see. There are 26 teusdays left

holy fuck! :o share the wealth please :hihi:


i also prefer Brain to Frank..not like its my choice though :P


IF :hihi: kidding, I'm kidding....or am I? ;)

The man himself disagrees with you.  He is still a part of GN'R and will be back later this year.

Ali

I'm sure the warm wishes of the gnr fan base are a great catalyst for him to stay :hihi: :peace:

fuck what? No need to jump to a conclusion.


And why should you interpret this ashe did say he'd be back somewhere.

he said he hopes to be back....doesnt sound very definate to me

I hope to win the Lottery...but will I? that's another matter entirely :rofl:

anyway, Brain said he hopes to be back...i hope he does come back I think hes great....but will he be back? MAYbe i suppose we'll have to wait and see...as usual

and since Brain HOPES to come back to GnR ...that must mean hes not in GnR right now...you can't go back to something you never left :P

Nope he said he'd be back and hoped to see the fans.

i hope hes out.

Frank and Ron rule

I guess we interpreted his response a bit differently then :peace:

so even he knows the album isnt coming out and has no plans for rejoining gnr

 he was there since the re-incarnation of the band
 
No he was not remember a guy named josh

he said hed be back with the band when CD comes out.

and then went on to say he hopes to see the fans on tour in 2007.

I think that means 2007

NO! Not this again!

Surprise Surprise! I hope this doesnt mean another delay for Chinese Democracy. This is no shock that Brain has moved on. For all I care Brain has had plenty of time to do his family thing and do what he needs to do closer to home. Being a in a rock n roll band that does world tours requires one to not be at home while your on long tours over seas. It wouldnt really bother me if Brain is gone, I'd hate to say we lost another one. I do really like Frank and from all the pics we have seen involving Frank the band and him are a close family. I say keep Frank and give Brain the good old C-YA, Frank has been with this band for a long time now and he deserves the full spot light. And for those who are saying Brain will be back because he has said so lol! All he is doing is  covering his ass from the shit storm the GnR fans will give him and Axl.
All of the confusion and speculations could all be laid to rest if Axl would crawl out of his hole and at least up date US THE FANS! I often wonder anymore why I continue to follow things when all we have to go on are rumors and my friend knows this person and  he has information.  :rofl: We have not gotten anything official since the open letter to the fans several months ago.

why would it mean more delays?? Frank will be on the album, and Buckethead is STILL on the album

regardless of Brain's status it appears the band is moving on which is obviously a good thing.  I think a back-up drummer is always a good thing, that being said this doesn't mean I'm not attached to Frank.  He drummed at the show I went to and he was awsome.  I think the decision to give brain this time is benficial to himself and the band.  Its allowing them to connect with the band and be a part if this turns out to be a long-term deal.  It is also a good sign that Brain didn't immediatly leave (i.e. buckethead and his stated sporadic behavior) I think brain is more connected to the band than bucket.  As my recollection also comes to me, didn't Frank himself he'd played on 5 tracks for CD? this obviously would make a safer transition for the band as well if things did arise.  I think that Axl is really being cool with this and has developed a good respectable relationship with his bandmates gents!! :peace:

yes i do...brain goes way back...josh worked with the band for a little while and quit, ok...brain came on board approx 1998-1999....

Hopefully his drumming stays on the album.

Brain isn't gone.  He is just still on leave.  Period.

Ali

Thats too bad, i like Brain.

Axl and Brain both said that Brain is STILL IN GNR!!!

cool, so will be seeing Brain in a couple of years?

he said well see him this year...

Not that I doubt you, but has Axl said this recently?  Just curious.

Ali

I don't want him out of GN'R, but Frank is doin' his job very well...

Anyway if it's true it's a bad new  :-\

Bootsy Collins, Buckethead and Brain

Damn I gotta hear that stuff!!!

Whether it's Brain or Frank It isnt a big deal to me...Im kinda liking Frank these days

Exactly my thoughts!

Would Axl say that on june 11 th , 2007 ?

I'm sorry, but he got his info from blabbermouth. Here's what the billboard article said "Joining Bootsy in the band are guitarist Buckethead and current Guns N' Roses drummer Brain (both of whom have previously played with Bootsy in Praxis)".

Do we know Axl?

Brain is not coming back.  If he does fine, if he doesnt its cool.  Frank is doing a mighty good job.  Hes bonded with the band and seems more gung ho then brain.  I think that project with bootsy, bucket and brain sounds really fucking cool.  Is there anyone that would ditch GnR after all the shit over the years cause brain is not in the band. 

He's not on leave due to his kid though - he decided to take a break until the album comes out - he got sick of playing AFD and wanted to go back playing his own stuff. When the album comes out, it will be up to Axl whether to ask him back or not. That decision may not have been made yet.

Isn't this  a Axl rose discussion board ?

Chris Pitman should audition for Science Fiction. Then it would be like a super-group and outsell Velvet Revolver.

Brain is a drummer, most drummers are a dime a dozen so honestly I could care less.

I don't feel he was an important member of the band at all.

Well no, it's a Guns N' Roses discussion board, and yes, we discuss Axl, and other members of GN'R.

However, it doesn't mean we know what any of them would say.

idk though, we do know Frank was added to the album. So, I doubt Axl would kick out/dismiss Frank so easily if/when Brain came back and said (ok I want in now)

I like brain, but in the scheme of things, hes just a drummer. Gnr has gone through what ??? 4-5 drummers. no biggie!! :hihi:

Yeah, it's not as if Brain is one of the most versatile, talented and well-respected drummers in the rock and avante ouvres. I'm sure he brings nothing to the band that Matt "Hulk Smash!" Sorum wasn't pounding out back in the day. You know, because Brain is such an average dime a dozen drummer. Hell, GNR might as well trade him in for an 808. Axl And The Bunnymen.   

^
Play a CD of Brain drumming then play a CD of Frank playing and I guarantee u won't tell the difference.

I have heard nothing he has done in GNR that is irreplaceable.


The live boots I have seen he didnt exactly blow me away.  He is no Tommy Lee,Lars Ulrich,Dave Grohl or Steven Adler.



Before someone says "TECHNICALLY" I could give a fuck about technical Playing. Its what u play not how technical u play it that counts in Rock N Roll.

Did he tell you he's sick of playing AFD personally?  Assuming, aren't we?  A better conspiracy theory would be he's sick of waiting for the album to be dropped.

Brain doesn't feel like playing greatest hits +4 every night.

I like brain, but in the scheme of things, hes just a drummer. Gnr has gone through what ??? 4-5 drummers. no biggie!! :hihi:




The best post so far.
Who really cares; the band will still go on.

can we get a break down of how many people axl has stuck a gnr sticker on ?

I dare you to find a recording of Frank playing original material in which the rhythm section is anywhere near as creative as a Praxis record, or a Primus record, or any of Brain's other work. Comparing the two of them playing GNR songs is ludicrous, both Frank and Brain are more than capable of living up to Steven Adler's "high" standards.

Simple question; Given the option who would you rather record with, Brain or Frank? Saying "it doesn't matter, they're both drummers" does a disservice  to both of them.

I can understand people who are nostalgic for the "original" band, but the fascination with Adler's drumming as in the post on the previous page boggles my mind.  Either one of these guys can play the cowbell and count to 4 as well as he could (better if I might add my opinion).  I saw the band twice last year...once with Brain and once with Frank and the positives about both are that they play great and fit in well with the other members.  This is all speculation until Axl or Brain says differently!

I hope to see Brain back on tour with the band at some point.   

Not that Frank doesn't do the job well, he rocks too and if it is gonna be Frank from now on, thats cool with me too.    I've seen the band with Brain 3 times and Frank once and both are great performers.     Brain is technically superior, but Frank makes up for it with his attitude and the way he pounds those drums so fucking hard.   some songs I prefer Brain (chinese democracy), some Frank (mr brownstone).   

I really dont like that. If he wants to be in GNR its my opinion he should be in the band full time.

If i was Ferrer Id feel like i got the shitty end of the stick if axl was just like, yeah, we dont need you anymore especially since he is awesome.

Ferrer got the biggest break of his career last year filling in for Brain on the drums.  I highly doubt he feels short changed, and his enthusiasm on stage reflects that.

i doubt that Brain will be back.
I am surprised that anyone thinks he might return anyway  :hihi:

Its a bit rude for him to say he wont be back until CD is released. Like the rest of the shows aren't important, but as long as he's on the music video and in the national TV appearances he's happy. Its like getting someone else to do your job while you take the day off, and then taking credit for the massive project they complete.

I like both drummers, but I don't like how Brain is handling the situation. Stay at home with the family, fine, but why go off making numerous side projects and such? They must be involving some sort of travel as well.

See new thread containing unaltered article.

Maybe they are doing cover songs from AFD? :hihi:

How can you be so certain of what in Brain's mind? assuming aren't you?

If my memory serves me correctly, Brain said he would be coming back.

I wonder if is so relavant that Brian come back?, I don't think so.

i think it sucks that we/they put our selves in this situation where we question "who's the band member"

Its wise thinking, having 2 drummers.

If Frank gets sick, Im sure Brain would be more than happy to step in.

Are you serious?


And you want to be a professional musician?

Adding to the fact that Tommy Lee isn't really a respectable drummer at all.

he isnt?? almost EVERY single drummer for new metal bands has him in their list of top influences.

Tommy is a great drummer.

Yeah, drummers in metal bands, they're good too.

Brain's drumming has never impressed me.  Go ahead and delete now.

In my opinion neither is Adler. Frank is definately better than Steven. Steve had good flow, but there really isnt anything too technical on AFD.

steve has rhythm. when you hear his drumming you KNNOW its adler. hes very distinctive. Just listen to the brownstone intro.

matt sorum couldnt do that stuff...hes like a robot. he hits the SAME cymbol crashes at the same point in EVERY song. I can tell when hes gonna do it.

Frank is a good Rock drummer.

good point.....bottom line, we dont know..what we know is that brain has been awol for 9 months and counting....but again, no official word, but it doesnt look good...........

If he is gone for good...

I went to his last show with GNR! Wo0o0o. Lol.

Maybe this is what Axl meant of Brian's return............"I don't know if soon is the word"..W. Axl Rose

Been a while since I posted around here (you know, since nothing is going on)...but I've got a question for Jarmo.  Since Brain and Frank are both drummers for the band, shouldn't there be little sillouettes of both of them at the top of the page in the right corner?

Tommy Lee isnt a great drummer?


Are u serious Adz? No one should ever put any stock in anything u ever say again after that moronic comment. Seriously.......................



It doesnt matter if Brain leaves, who gives a fuck.

GNR survived Slash,Duff,Izzy,Steven,Matt,Gilby,Bucket and still continued, so if u think losing a drummer will have any kind of negative affect u are crazy.


I personally hate Steven Adler, I don't like the guy at all, but to discredit his amazing drumming on AFD is criminal.

He has some of the great rock drum riffs of all time. Next thing u are gonna say is that the Better drum part is better than Brownstone. ::)

I like them both I guess...Frank more though because I've seen him live and he completely rocked. but what happens if Brain does come back, will Frank just leave, take turns or what? Del James (I believe) said that Frank was also a part of GNR and that he'd also done some stuff on Chinese Democracy so it wouldn't really make sense if he'd just leave...

Haven't found a good enough pic of Frank.




/jarmo

you could just copy and paste that on picture, no on will be able to tell the difference.

When the 2007 tour kicked off a couple weeks ago and Brain wasnt behind the kit, that was enough to let me know that the guy is gone.

(http://a189.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/61/m_4500e9f7ef0837c2153e5c0bc6372c94.jpg) what about this one its a good pose

Was just thinking....

If Brain is gone (and everything points to he is), Frank would be what...... the 5th drummer?

Is that a record for a band?

Yeah, I realized it like a minute after I had posted.  :hihi:




/jarmo

I like the pic, but his shadow seems like he has HUGE hands, lol. :hihi:

Anyways, I wonder if Brain would play IRS and Chinese like he used to when he comes back or if he would play like Frank does (which I assume would be the album version).

Brain ain't gone. He's away to keep up with his little baby. He is spending sometime with his wife and the little kid.

He will be back when the kid turns 18.

: : Vicente : :

just in time for the release of CD maybe............. ;)

Thats cause you're a fag.

Brain for Prez!!

Never heard of Spinal Tap?

I gotta say ive seen many gnr shows 2 of them with frank and 2 of them with brain gotta say they are both world class drummers but franks seems to be having much more fun up there not to mention he plays YCBM a hell of alot better ans his intro to Mr. B is just as orgasmic atleast that's what I saw? . It's also fair to say frank has played more gigs with gnr then brian an in my opinion which is by no means factual id have to say frank is in for the long haul, but then again what do I know

I'd vote for him! my favourite drummer in the world and a funny guy....what more do you need in a president?

mm yes, at least, 5 were considered MEMBERS

01- Rob Gardner
02- Steven Adler
03- Matt Sorum
04- Brain
05- Frank Ferrer

then we could count...

06- Josh Freese

and if we include guest appearences and sporadical substitutions...

07- Fred Coury
08- Don Henley
09- Lars Ulrich

and last but definitely not least...

10- Duff played drums on track 11 - The Spaghetti Incident? ''You Can't Put Your Arms Around A Memory'' (Johnny Thunders)

And I think that is all

 :peace:

yes, thats all true. if you want to go even further back to the 84'-86' period, izzy started his career as a drummer. also, the first drummer to play with izzy and axl (the bands "AXL" and "Hollywood Rose") was Johnny Kreist....Also, the was another drummer for a few gigs in that period Mickey Beats.....

I Agree:

Tommy "THE GENERAL" Stinson In DONINGTON '06

 8)

HBK *

And Axl during 93

In Conclution...

" 13 DRUMS In Guns N' Roses History "

Record !! aakajajaja

HBK *

mm yes, at least, 5 were considered MEMBERS

01- Rob Gardner
02- Steven Adler
03- Matt Sorum
04- Brain
05- Frank Ferrer

then we could count...

06- Josh Freese

and if we include guest appearences and sporadical substitutions...

07- Fred Coury
08- Don Henley
09- Lars Ulrich

and last but definitely not least...

10- Duff played drums on track 11 - The Spaghetti Incident? ''You Can't Put Your Arms Around A Memory'' (Johnny Thunders)

And I think that is all

 :peace:
And Chris Wrenna was in GNR too.

For me, Brain is out. If your band is touring the world, you have to be with them.
Anyway, it is the same. There were a lot of people in GNR drums.

Saludos Esteban, sabes cuando terminan de levantar Uzi?

Yeah, Chris Vrenna said he was called by Axl while he was touring with the Smashing Pumpkins, but he did not want to join the band after a couple of weeks.

But to be honest, I've never read about Vrenna in GNR from Axl or any other member mouth

I know that when Vrenna saw that it was going to be a long long way to the new album,  he decided not acept to be in GNR.
Te preguntaba si sabes algo de Uzi. Cuando levanta

Anyway, I'm very happy with Mr Ferrer, but I REALLY hope to see Brain again.

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I have no idea man. You should ask someone from Uzi's staff.

For me Brain is out too. Damn shame. Oh wait, GNR have two drummers until further notice  :hihi:

The only drummers I count are Steven Adler, Matt Sorum, Josh Freese, Brain and Frank Ferrer. So I say they only have had 5.

I saw Brain once, and Frank twice.  I would have like for Brain to stuck with the band through out the tours.  He has been playing live with them since 2001.  But you never know why he took the time off.  He might really need to be with his wife and child and cannot commit to a long world tour.  However, the energy with Frank on the drums is clearly noticeable, and Frank looks like he loves being on stage.

Sometimes I got the impression Brain was just there for the check kind of going through the motions.  Whereas Frank genuinely seems to love being in GnR.  Brain is a great drummer, I think Frank is a better fit for Guns N Roses personally

Did the drummer from the Sea Hags drum in concert after Adler left, right before Matt?

no, but he almost joined. he may have jammed with the band , but never to my knowledge played a show. his name was adam maples...

I have never gotten that impression.  He just makes smart ass remarks in interviews to fuck with people and they take it seriously.  I remember an interview where he talked about how proud he was of the music GN'R has made.

Ali

yeah, come on. people who think he's only there for the check and actually believe in the jokes Brain make, really need to spend a little more time using their nugget.

Brain is the real deal and in GNR because of the music they are (were) making.

Buckethead is on tap too, saying that him joining GNR has "been a ride like nothing else". Quoted on his old website for an interview with some magazine. Same article where they posted that Axl invited him over for a Holiday Season and had found the Leatherface doll he'd (Bucket) been wanting for ages..

Sure, Bucket brought in Brain (allegedly) but he stayed on until his child was born. Who knows.

I hope he stays, but yeah -- Frank is really a likable, genuine and cool guy. He seems so, anyway. And a thunderous yet funky drummer ?8)


RF

 :peace:

exactly right! brain's sense of humor is a lot of tongue-and-cheek. he put his time and heart and soul into the album and touring...he is greatly missed.....

absolutely. he was half of the attraction of the current GN'R for me.

here, here. im with you...the other half was the man from another planet......

I'm not really talking about the interview where he said the paycheck was great.  There was an interview a while back though where Brain said that he hopes that "they" release because it might be "their" Led Zeppelin (can't remember which album he said).  I think it was actually the same interview where he said he was very proud of the work he'd done and that he'd help write some of the songs

I have no doubt Brain worked hard and he did some great work, his drumming on TWAT and Chinese Democracy is great IMO.  But it seemed like he never really considered himself a member of the band.  And people talk about this band being Axl and his session musicians but I think that's a huge insult to guys like Dizzy, Tommy, Richard and Robin in particular. 

Anyway it's no disrespect to Brain.  I've seen him live both with GnR and with the Colonel Claypool project with Les and Buckethead, he's a great drummer.  I just never got the imprssion that he was totally into the GnR thing, more like he came in, laid down some drums, wrote some parts, gave some input and went on with his life.  That could be totally false, it's just the impression I get for some reason.  Frank just seems to be more into it from my angle.  But I'm happy with either

I have no doubt Brain worked hard and he did some great work, his drumming on TWAT and Chinese Democracy is great IMO.? But it seemed like he never really considered himself a member of the band.? And people talk about this band being Axl and his session musicians but I think that's a huge insult to guys like Dizzy, Tommy, Richard and Robin in particular.?


i agree. but you need to add brain's name to the list. don't forget, he was there before richard. he's been there pretty much from the start of the new incarnation of the band. these guys are all-stars, not a backing band. they deserve their due. thats why i hope the album comes out so people besides us internet nerds can get to appreciate them....? ?

^ Well said.

I agree.

it was led zeppelin II

and you're right: frank seems to be more into it; but brain is the more impressing drummer...

Brain just drums and likes to have a good time/play a lot of stuff....

He doesn't give a fuck if he's known for being in gnr or not imo... I wouldn't rule out him coming back if the new band finally played a setlist that was half new/half old.

They really are, and they really do.

oh well :hihi:

 :rofl:

out of those four only Grohl is decent.


Brain has a groove. Not many does.

I love what I heard on TWAT and as with Buckethead, really hope any contributions that he made remain intact.