Here Today... Gone To Hell!

so, we know recording was finished since february, and they had started mixing in february.  most bands, mixing only takes a couple of months, but with GNR, I could see them going through several mixes of songs until axl feels whats right. we know BBF said he heard Some final mixes back last month, and Robin said after these dates they will focus on setting up the release of the record

For reference, lets look at sebastian bach. he started mixing his cd in february, and Now the cd is done, mastered and the record label is deciding on a release date..

Im just wondering if GNR is in mastering stage yet?? I would expect that while on tour they wont be mixing without axls approval(im sure he will be there while mixing)

whether or not, I think we need to have an update on Chinese democracy soon. Now, I know someone is going to come in here and say "well, why give an update when people are going to complain" because, the last update on chinese democracy was 4 months ago, and I think they should like axl promised keep us updated on its status.

Ron didn't said that and it was Richard who said they will focus on setting things up for the release.

Also, I guess the Illusions took several months with mixing too. In fact, I never thought the mixing of a complex and mythical album like this would be quick as a lot of people may have guessed.

In all honesty. id rather have no word from axl than get a message for everyone to read too deeply into and come out with a million and one conspiracies about it.

The album will be done when its done and will be out when its out.

People still go on about how axl PROMISED the album for March 6th. He didnt promise jack shit.

Id rather have silence and know that hes not wasting time by writing long messages to us explaining. as much as i do apreciate him taking his time out to do that for the fans.

no one said he needs to give an explanation, but alittle blurb on chinese democracy to keep us updated is something that can keep us hopeful. Believe me, im still positive about CD, BUT most fans are starting to lose hope.

i dont see how it could hurt to have del james or someone give alittle blurb "we are mastering the cd now" just to keep fans interested.

it wouldnt hurt, no.

the fact that Axl appears to be happy, the band is together having a laugh and touring keeps me hopeful enough.
I don't need a status update everytime an album goes into a different phase of development... weve gone God knows how many years without updates and people arent loosing interest, despite what they say otherwise. Its always there, people will always know what it is and they will buy it when it comes out.

I dont think we've heard an update regarding mastering because the album is still probably being mixed.

The update or blurb is that GnR are out touring and being successful at it too.  They are playing songs that may or may not be on the cd.  I want to be suprised to tell you the truth.  I wouldn't be dissapointed with the songs we've heard through concerts or leaks and such but I would love a double or 2 in a row deal.  That's an old thread I know but whatever.

Is it even being mixed? Normally there are some rumours floating around about who's doing it, where its being done etc. Last I heard Andy Wallace had some involvement? Or is Sterling sound invlolved?

i think illusions took so long because, the band pretty much hated one another at that time, and it was difficult to get people in the studio to actually listen, never mind agree.

Q: What else could be left? 
A:  Releasing it!!!!

The Illusions took so long to mix because they mixed everything once with Bob Clearmountain, then the band did not like his mixes so they fired him and ultimately got Bill Price to mix it. It took twice as long as it normally would because they did it twice!

A couple more "eye-eeee-ein"s and "cha"'s??

NOTHING

I don't suppose they will have done all the artwork that's to go with it yet.

we dont know...

Wow, I'm fortunate that the coffee I just spat up didn't find it's way to my laptop...great stuff

are you saying that in every thread?
make it your signature

I'm wondering if it has to do with negotiations with the record company. ?The more popular GNR becomes, or the leaks get, the more the label will want. ?Rights to music and things, I'm thinking, so they can make more money on the music once it's released. "Now we know Nikes are Better!" ?:nervous:

Probably wrong, but it occured to me the other day lol

...And a few more 'Aow!'s

axl wanted to put yowza in at the end of TWAT

Come Sail Away, the hidden bonus track featuring Baz.

 :-X




/jarmo

Ask Mr. Axl Rose......

Finishing touches

:idea:
or live songs ..for instance, the uk release will have 'back in the fucking uk' as a bonus and Canadian fans will have 'liquor'
that's why they have to tour the world first.

YOU are cracking jokes at the length in CD's release?! LOL

WHAT IS THE WORLD COMING TO??

I am going to leak the first 10 seconds of this today

I'll be pathetically staring at my computer screen until then. Anyone else want to join me?

wait a minute they're going to cover a styx song? WTF? Not that its a cover but that its STYX.............

and i thought there weren't going to be any covers on CHINESE DEMOCRACY?




or was that just a joke that i didn't get????....................again

Dude  :rofl:

You're just rambling

Sailing Rod Stewart Cover on CD book it

and some Whoa oa oa oaaaaaa's

well i think there are lot of space in leak songs for chaning
for example in last better leak i found more guitar riffs than inother
aand i'm sure in final version axl will change computer elements with realguitar efects,and tha's will give a real rnr sound

there are lot of space for changing

I love Axl doing that. Guess I can wait a little more then.  : ok:

I really cant understand why its not out by now, The world is still hungry for GnR, The tour is a huge success, The band is ready to rule the world....... They just need to release this fucking thing.

Axl's waiting for Paris to be released from jail (again) so she can do guest vocals on 'Prostitute' and 'Twat'.

Mixing for Madagascar might take a bit longer as expected with the recent addition of the London Philharmonic, the Morman Tabernacle Choir and a 96 Glockenspiel orchestra.

The cowbell they used didn't sound brassy enough, so now they have to rerecord all the songs with a different cowbell.

How surprised would you be if the song "Chinese Democracy" was not on the album "Chinese Democracy"?

Led Zep did it, with the song/album "Houses of the Holy". 

Of course, I'm of the belief that the next GNR album should NOT be called Chinese Democracy.  This would have the dual effect of pleasing those who want an album as well as those who enjoy bitching because Chinese Democracy's not out yet.  :hihi:

Yeah, I hope they don't wait TOO long for the right moment to release the album. When it's out, it's out, for everyone interested to like or dislike. The release of Chinese Democracy would/should clear the table and allow to release the follow-up more easily, without the huge speculation & expectation-thing.

I really don't know how the record companies think, but right now 2007 looks as good a year to release it as 2006 was. Yes, companies, this is not entirely in the hands of Axl, as many seem to think.

CD is the albatross on axls neck. Once he gets this thing off his hands, he will be able to make more music quicker!!

I think they are waiting for the right time to release it going through proper marketing strategies, probably trying to figure out a good strategy for the album not to leak.

Probably squaring away figures with the band members *Royalties etc etc*

Mixing is not an easy thing either.

U figure they probably have close to 60-70 tracks a song and fine tuning those to get them as good as possible is gonna take awhile, Id say 6 to 8 weeks.

SO if the album was finished in March, Mixing would be done by May or so and right now I say they are waiting for the Europe portion of the tour to be over and they will then plan a US tour/release.

I think those are all certainly factors.  I also think, like LittleFly said, there is some kind of tug of war going on with the label with regards to the band's recording contract.  Merck alluded to this in his response to Axl's open letter last December.  I'd be willing to be that isn't a situation that can be resolved easily.

Ali

They could be fighting over points on the record.

Maybe the label feels where they spent so much money that they should get a higher percentage of the gross from CD's sold.

bands dont even make much from cds anyhow. Most big bands like aerosmith etc. only get about 1-2$ from a 13$ cd

problem is that the record label is probably signed with GNR for a certain # of albums. and with the time its taken for CD probably would want to not have to deal with them anymore.

The label could be tired of GNR

I mean in today's musical landscape, why pay 13 million and take 10 years for one of your artists to release an album when u can get some wannabe rapper or R and B princess to sell u 5 million albums and it cost peanuts to make and little to no hassle to release.

Also they can take advantage of artists like that and keep most of the cash.

"could it be the weight that I carried on
like a broken record for that long..."

Everytime I listen to this part of I.R.S. I know that's not easy for Axl to release CD...

Honestly, I think that not much is left to do on CD, and hopefully it will be handed over to the record company in july...

I know a great strategy for the album not to leak: RELEASE IT!  ;D

I just have this feeling that they are most certainly fighting for points on the record.  Nothing to go by other than what Merck said, but I just would be willing to bet that is happening or has happened and that playing the record label the demos is a way of saying, "Hey, listen to this.  We deserve to at least have a discussion about our royalty rate."

I'm sure the label wants as much back on their investment as is possible.

Ali

^I have thought the exact same thing every time I hear IRS.

As for the thread, see D's post for the right answer.  D, you hit the nail on the head in my eyes. 

My ultimate hope would be some sort of tie-in with NFL kickoff festivities in September...and if that can't happen, Black Friday after Thanksgiving...I just hope it's out before 2008, because I know I'll be the idiot who starts the annual, "Will GNR be performing at the Super Bowl?" thread.   :hihi:

Sometimes it feels like just yesterday there were only "13 Tuesdays left."

The obvious answer, or the option I'd put money on, is issues with the record company.  It's been alluded too many times by Axl and those surrounding the band that many things needed to be negotiated or re-negotiated.  Remember GNR still has a contract for, I believe, seven albums with Geffen.  If you include every GNR album (AFD, LIes, UY1&2, SI, Live Ear, and GH), that's seven, meaning the original contract has been completed and a new one is needed.  That's if some of those albums counted; some times live cds and greatest hits are not counted in what the artist owes the label.  If not, then Axl might be holding Chinese Democracy over the heads of the studio execs trying to get a sweeter deal.

Last year Axl said that 26-28 of 32 songs were done.  We also heard that there was some mixing going on during the summer of 2006.  If most of the songs were mixed last year, that only leaves a handful to be mixed this year.  Having started the process in late Feb early March, one could conclude that the creative/mixing process is finished.  Mastering only takes a week, maybe two tops (really, could be done in a couple of days, it's not a big process).  With a September release floating around the internet and online stores, it seems that everyone that has anything to do with this album is keeping quiet until everything is settled with the record company.  Eventually the band will run out of places that has seen this setlist and has had a stop on the Chinese Democracy World Tour (some places have already had 3 stops).  If the legalities and promotional work can be put to rest any time soon, hopefully we'll see something by late summer, early fall.

That's my two cents at least.

Cheers,

Andrew

i have a feeling that may be the case.

of course the record label wants to put out chinese democracy to recoup some of the costs, so they wouldnt drop GNR now. But im sure axl fears that once cd is out/promoted etc. they will drop him...

Hence the delays due to record negotiations.  Kind of like an athlete wanting to sign a long-term deal and ownership wanting to keep contracts to a shorter term. 

I am sure the album is recorded, mixed and finished.   They/He just has to release it already.    Could be a video holding it up, deciding on a single, how they are going to promote, etc.

Course one always hopes that it's this year.

Just fork out the money and go to the concerts - you can hear it live then and there. Interactive too - your screaming and cheering become part of the music.......

I really hope the fear of this album leaking is not the reason for the hold up.

If this is the reason, then I think we're in for a helluva looooong wait, cos I don't think there's anyway of avoiding the leak.

In the world of conspiracy theories, yes, the leaks may have contributed.

Yes, there is a way of avoiding them - don't do it! If enough people make a stand against then, then there won't be any demand.

In theory, sure. I completely agree.

Can you really ever see this happening though?

I highly doubt it.

 We already have over an hour's worth of material from Chinese Democracy in various recording stages available to us online. This is a first for GnR to have this much material available to fans before an actual album release. There's no excuse for whining about not having an album...someone in management must be purposely letting this stuff out

What else could be left?

Maybe some more leaks, so they won't need do release de album anymore...  :hihi:

Yeah, but unless you're talking about the (live) versions, we are not meant to have anything else available to us online.

Ali, Little Fly, D, Motley all make good points. ?Legal issues and the record company, the corporate world all play a big part. ?Timing is everything too. ?I can wait. ?I don't have a choice either. ?I really hope the cd is released sooner than later but whatever. ?We're in their world and as fans maybe we shouldn't know everything??? ?True fans are counted on by just being patient and hopefully soon will be rewarded.

How do we know the album isn't done?  At this point, the label wouldn't release the album until the fall anyway...for the xmas season.  This a major release and the label will want to devote as much publicity to it as possible...without stepping on the toes of all their other major releases this fall.  So there must be some coordination to it as well.