Here Today... Gone To Hell!

figured i'd make one since the other thread is just for updates  : ok:

Why is nobody discussing now  ???

i guess some people are worried that their post might get deleted?

looks like same set list as first leg... not really suprised... i guess they can get away with that since its the 1st timge theyve plyed mex in a long time...

even if you stay on topic?

ypu all have to understad, as far as the band is concerned they want to give the same great shows all over in places they havent been for awhile or perhaps never been, , Ill say this those who are so damn adimnet about GNR fitting your expectations, is probably a very worthless cause. if you sen them live last yr, and are anticipating  or thinking you deserve something new at a show you arent even fucking at , shame on you. Damn let others who have been shut out so long get to expierience and be happy for them!, its not that hard!

Yes! You of the "Now! Now! Now!" Y and Zzzzzz Generation
This is all about Generation X

No fan reviews? No comments on how the concert was or the sound...?

think the mexicans are holding there fiesta

ah well hopefuly we see some reviews soon  here
think it has been a good start of the world tour 2007

you bet.

reviews and tidbits and I want to hear about Tommy.

good luck - there was an extended thread discussing the Mexico concert etc - then I refresh the page and it's been deleted.

I offically have had a gutful of this board.  I have posted here for a while, listened to all the crap - but this has just turned into a pure propoganda board.

I have never been rude, over the top, just open and honest in opinions as have everyone else, but for the thread to have been scrapped is a complete joke - there was nothing obscene in it, nothing rude, nothing bad, just people sharing their opinion.  I didn't realise this was a board that could have only one sort of opinion full stop.  You people are a complete joke!!!!

 I really dont get it.  People are allowed to have an opinion arent they?  I was all positive about the concert personally and was happy to post updates for the first concert in Oz as well as 2 more in Melbourne in the next week, but I really don't get it.  If people don't like the set list or something - that's their choice!!!  they are entitled to their opinion, why delete the thread?

The first Mexioco concert happened and people discussed it - why delete the whole things?

Personally I was just wrapped that they showed up and played, but people think and feel different things and then the whole thing was deleted.

WHY?????????

same set list....? :drool: always the same... so many good musics they got.... and it's always the same... Why????

this is nothing but the extension of the las year's tour.... nothing new

Remember, they have not  played Mexico for many years. This setlist are the songs people want to hear. I think the setlist will change when they come back to Europe/US and or the album drops.

Yeah, I agree.  I'm not expecting major changes to the setlist over the next month or so, probably just a few song changes each show.  But, with a setlist like this one, why change?!  GNR are playing to people who haven't seen them in god knows how long and, from experience, I can say that seeing this band perform these songs is bloody fantastic.

Once the album's released, well that'll be a different story...

All in all, it looks like a cracking start to this leg of the tour.  Onwards and upwards chaps..    ;D

super ultra quick notes before my full review

both opening bands sucked, but the wait for GNR was pathetic. More on this later.

show was very fast paced and cut short a few songs (encore) due to the band getting on stage late ( at about 1 am, after 2 hours without any band playing ).

Crowd forgot the 2 hours lateness as soon as the band began playing

Tommy looked HORRIBLE, sick, like if had just waken up of a coma. Almost like moe the bartender from the simpsons. Richard was scary, wont surprise me if he was dancing with mr.brownstone. Finck looks old, BBF has a new, slimmer image. No doubt about it he was the coolest looking of 'em all. Had huge shoes.

very dissapointing for me that there was no encore, but overall i guess it was a good show.

Any specific questions?

is this the most true statement of the last 12 months!?

for the record i agree with you, i was just glad they showed and played, and the peeps there had a good time!

the guy in the other thread was ripped to shreds for saying he didnt like the set and hoped it would be changed by the time they got to Oz. why!? he stated his opinion, it wasn't argumentative, just an opinion and a wish....he didnt flame the band, but still he was bent over and shafted!

yeah. what did axl look like?

Same outfits he has been wearing since the May 2006 shows. Started with an oversized black leather kind of jacket,  then put on a mexican-charro type of jacket. Then the sleeveless red and white stripped shirt ( as seen @ download festival ), then the golden jacket (as seen @ gnr.com main page ) All the other band members wore exactly the same as they always do, except for BBF who has a cooler, slimmer image. He wore a t-shirt with a message i cant remember, PITTMAN wore a t-shirt that said KILL THE WEAK and that's all i can remember about looks.

why did my last post get deleted!?

anways im posting ot again....

seems like the same issue with the lateness is set to continue, and will continue to piss off fans, but wait....its not axls fault ?::)

shut the fuck up.


same braids and beard or no beard?

Are you done with whining about something that has no effect on you at all and you know nothing about?

Feel better now?


I don't think fans who've waited 14 years to see a concert are as upset as you are. But hey, that's just my opinion. I'm sure you're right and everybody is pissed off. Even after not seeing GN'R in their home country since 1993.  ::)





/jarmo

Did Axl chat to the audience, at all?  If so, what about?

What was the crowd reaction to Dizzy's solo of 'Angie'?  Also, did the crowd sing along to BBF's 'Don't Cry' solo?

Thanks, in advance.  : ok:

He only joked about Frank's purple drum set. Said something along the lines of 'check out that pimped metal drum set' .
A few people sang along to dizzy's angie, and started a dizzy chant after it. And portions of the crowd did sing along to BBF's Don't Cry, albeit not as loud as the whole-band-playing classic songs.

who the fuck are you!?

again with the experssion of an opinion, someone feels the need to go on some crazy defence of the band.

the facts

the band were late on
people had to wait for two hours after the opening acts for the band
yes, the folks that go to the concert should know that they are always late
but no, that doesn't excuse the fact that thousands are left scratching their ass for two hours

look man, i love the band, and as this is a discussion thread about last night then i think that includes being able to talk about..

what axl wore
what the band wore
how much weight ron lost
how late the band were

if we cant talk about these things whats the point in a thread to discuss the gig

im not overly upset about it....i just think that the band should show some respect to those who WERE at the gig, the same sort of respect and gratitude the mexixan people have shown the band by snapping up all the tickets and selking out the shows....thats all :peace:

100% agree man. I knew that they were going to play late, but a little bit of respect and not making me wait for 3 fucking hours after a shitty local metal band wouldn't bother me.

A couple of hours << 14 years.

Think about it.


There's a lot of fans who'll never get to see the band in their home country. Let alone in their home town.





/jarmo

look jarmo, i know im not going to convince or change your mind to say "ok 2-3 hours wait is a joke". it aint going to happen.

so rather than me continue to debate it and ruin the thread for others (probably), im just going to agree to disagree man, if you use that sort of logic, then a band that has never played mexico can have the fans wait for 3,4,5,6 hours....?

anyway..................
 :beer:

It wasn't my home town. I had to take a flight. That's OK, nobody's forcing me to go. But if i knew that people have been standing for about 7 hours, packed in one of the hottest cities of the world as its monterrey, i would try to get on stage at least on time. I mean, it's not like he's finishing Chinese Democracy backstage.

But we are GNR fans, so i can't complain.

wait, where are people posting the reviews?

The way I see it is that you can complain about the waiting time as much as you want but it's still not going to change anything.  Axl has stated numerous times that he wants to give the best show he's capable of and, in order to do that, the conditions have to be right - from technicalities regarding stage set up to him feeling personally ready to go onstage and front a two and a half hour show.  That, to me, indicates that not only does he want to do the GNR name proud but that, yes, he does respect his fans and doesn't want to let them down.

So please, and this isn't directed at you superloconoriega, can we drop the constant whinging about the wait between bands.  As has been stated many times before on here, if you don't like to wait, then arrive later or park yourself at the bar for a while.  But above all, leave it out of the discussion threads because it is getting damn tiresome to read.

Now, back on topic, what's this about Frank's purple drum kit?  Is is new or did I just never notice it before?   :D

exactly my piont ,my friend.were are they ?

is new and ( i think* ) doesn't have the GNR logo.

come on superloco, we want the good, bad, and the ugly.  tell us what your experience was like, how you were feeling, how people around you were feeling, energy and sound of the band, peoples reactions to different songs....etc.

just listing this fact:

last show 2006 was 22 songs in USA
first show 2007 was 16 songs in Mexico (where they havent been since 1993)

and now only adding some small thoughts of mine:
no setlist surprises either. when not willing to add other songs from the big gnr catalogue on this tour why not at least changing the song order exspecially the first 3-5 tracks? jungle + SCOM can be kick-ass encore, too (as proven in the 90s)! nightrain, cd could be huge crowd-pleasers as openers!
and the 2h-3h waiting time.....it mostly cuts the show lenghts, in Holland'06 it was a big $$$$$ issue when playing longer than allowed, thats why they didnt do more than 125min. oh well....

not just in 2006 :P almost every show in Holland...though i doubt it was the fines back in the 90's...

Your point is?

The longest show on the North American tour wasn't the first one.

They kept adding songs to the set in Europe and North America as they went along.


First you make sure you got the basics covered, then you start adding extras. Not the other way around.



/jarmo

Think about it, people.  They haven't played since December, so if it takes a show or two to get the rust shaken off, then that's the way it has to be.  They'll be firing on all cylinders very shortly.

I'd rather get a kick-ass 16 song show than an average, longer show.

Quality>Quantity

I don't think there is such a thing as an "average" gnr show long or short.  ;D

the point is just this?fact, Jarmo: they cut down this show 6 songs compared to the last one. not more not less.

and no, i wont let you go away that easy ?:hihi: with your argument "First you make sure you got the basics covered, then you start adding extras. Not the other way around."

here is the setlist from the first 2006 show 5/12/06:
Welcome to the Jungle, It's So Easy, Mr. Brownstone, Better, Live And Let Die, Sweet Child O' Mine, Knockin' On Heaven's Door, Madagascar, You Could Be Mine, The Blues, Out Ta Get Me, November Rain, My Michelle (with Sebastian Bach), Chinese Democracy, T.W.A.T., Patience, IRS, Nightrain, Paradise City

thats 19 songs with "added" 3 newbies. + other surprises (looks, voice more back etc.). and they did shorter aswell in europe!!

and the "same setlist moaning"....come on, i'm sure people would be VERY OK with at least changing the song order. the former known fact that you'd never know what guns are goin to open with + setlists variing a lot has turned into "when i come to the show 20min too late i'll miss jungle, easy, brownstone and lald"

but hey, its 20th Anniversary Appetite this year!!? :peace:

So you're saying you shouldn't use warm up shows as a way to practice the new songs you'll perform on tour? To test the songs in front of an audience?


I think there's a reason why they played that kind of sets in New York in May. It was the first shows, it was warm up shows and it was a small audience with more hardcore fans than say in Lisbon....


Just look at last year's setlists and you'll see that many songs didn't appear in the first shows....




/jarmo

I for one am glad to see that the show went well and the crowd enjoyed themselves.

Any word on audio or video from the show? Has anyone who was there posted a review yet?

If the band goes on late people drink more. less likely to know sutle mistakes made by the band. Spend more money. Honestly ,The real reason chin democracy isn't out isn't because the albums not done. It's because there is going to be new technology introduced so no one will be able to burn copies. One way or another when the technology arrives so does the tunes. until then we might never get an album.

there were no warm-up shows in Rio91 and that was fucking big and also on tv incl. new songs, and i think they did pretty well with that too! so its not like they never did it otherwise, Jarmo!

but i surely think warm-up shows are cool as hell for the fans seeing their fave band in a small club (why no ones in 07?), it also is cool for the band. but being professional musicans the 5 months off the road could have also -besides cd recording/mastering/holidays/wth...- easily been used to actual practise some "other" songs for being played live for 2007 tour (yes, future will tell, i know)...and wouldnt it be just fucking cool to do some small surprises for the first show 2007? + maybe some studio review/cd update or so? again i'm very sure not only all people within the show would love it but the general fan public would love it too! and yes, they still have a big cataloge to pick from. hell, just starting with easy, nightrain or so can not hurt!! and letting wait the fans for 2-3h in THAT hot city and playing "only" 16 songs (which is a very short show compared to ~90-95% to 2006 shows) then ($$$ again?) is not too cool...and this is mainly for the fans who actual attended this show.

I totally agree!

This building doesn't have air conditioning?

Wow. That sucks.

Hey, btw... did these fans that made these reports get the see Guns N' Roses live? Because that's what they paid for, so I'm just curious.

We're still waiting to hear a review from someone that went to the show

Normally, I am a proponent of a little bit (or lots) of a mix-up in the set list. However, in this case people should try to be objective and take into consideration the other factors. Show started about 2 hrs later than planned. There must have been a good reason for that - technical difficulties, a band member needing more time (not necessarily axl), etc. (I am just guessing here). So, since they start at 12:45am and have another show the next night 400-500 miles away, what do you expect them to do?? Play until 5am and be completely fucked up for the next show? It's only reasonable to do a shorter set and try to do a better show the following night. And when you are limited in time it makes sense to stick to the classics that most people wanna hear and to cut on the new songs and options (such as RQ). I told you that Madagascar was done at soundcheck, so there must have been plans to perform it, possibly during an extended encore. But they had to cut the set short and they did. Better luck next time.

Thx for the review

Waiting for the pictures...... : ok:

Neither there were any warm-up shows before the SummerSonic festival in 2002.

thanks for the review, glad u had a great time :beer:


probably a full video bootleg eh :D

Exactly. Glad you enjoyed the show!  :)




So everybody whining who wasn't there, shut the fuck up already.

You sound like a broken record. It was the same in 2006.  ::)



You guys would've whined about the setlists from the Use Your Illusion tour as well (playing too many unfamiliar new songs, too many old songs, starting too late blah blah blah).

Now I see you comparing the 2007 setlists to 1991. Way to go! I mean, it's the exact same scenario isn't it?

First headlining tour in 1991. Hmm, wonder how well it would go over if you played for just an hour? Not that well. So they added new songs to the set. They had like 30 songs to choose from so even if they added ten new songs, that'd be 1/3 of the forthcoming material.

Now, if CD has something like 15-18 tracks, 5 tracks is also about 1/3 (depending on the number of tracks on the album).





/jarmo

This is supposed to be happy time for GNR fans, they're bck playing live. And as predicted, alleged 'fans' are moaning about everything as usual. Just enjoy the music and Axl's voice, and look forward to an amazing album that will kick ass! :beer:

Sounds like it was a fucking kickass show. I can't wait to see pictures and or video from last night. 

2006/2007 are the same setlists Jarmo.....

The fans want to see/hear other songs......

It is the fourth tour without the CD.Great...... ???

Where the fuck do you get 4? 02, 06-07. I really don't see how that equals 4...  ::)

Sorry 3.Europe(2006),USA(2006) and now Mexico(2007).

Last tour was broken up to finish CD (final mixes).Where is the CD ?

I'll make it very simple for you:


Last time GN'R played in Mexico, Australia or New Zealand: 1993
Last time GN'R played in Japan: 2002


Many of the fans going to these shows haven't seen the show!


You don't want to "hear" other songs. Chances are you're not even going to any of the shows! You just want to read about them playing other songs for people who are perfectly happy with the current set because they haven't seen the band since 1993 (or maybe 2002).

That's pretty selfish.


On more than one occasion I watched how the crowds went crazy during GN'R's shows in 2006. Then come back here and read about how the setlist sucked. That makes no fucking sense.



/jarmo

Um yeah,great to see a lot of communication on the part of the band at the show.
 ? ?any mention of tommy and his injury that he had?
 ? ? ?

How can any song GNR perform live suck????? They're all amazing songs. I bet Axl would love to check out how his hardcore 'fans' feel about the first shows of 2007 and finds everyone bitching again. Must make it all worthwhile for him ?::)

Agree.But after this tour there must be the cd.GNR than have played in all areas... ;)Asia,Europe,Australia,Southamerica.... ;)The fans all over the world know GNR (Axl Rose) are back and want to hear more new songs,want the cd.Agree ?

I'm pretty sure that when Chinese Democracy is released they'll add more new songs to their sets......





/jarmo

Hopefully.

soon is the word.... ;)

Jarmo,how sure are you chinese democracy is going to be released? ?I mean what do we all have to go on,no info,nothing.
 ? ?rumours,hints,threat's of it's imminent release(march 6). ?great job on the band keeping us informed. And we all have right to gripe about the setlist,it's getting fucking lame. Some people are saying we should be grateful that there playing again,I say
 the band should be grateful that they still have a following!

You think they worked on it all this time for nothing?



I don't think any band plays for fans who aren't at the shows. Including GN'R......




/jarmo

I dont know if they have any real intention on releasing it,honestly. Yeah im pretty sure that they have worked real hard on this
album,but come on it's still only music which is about having fun,something that us fans are not at all having with this band.         
   

      and who's saying anything about playing songs for fans who aren't at the show. They dont even update their own website,is that because some people dont own a computer or access to the internet.

Hold on a minute, what's with this "us fans" stuff.  I saw quite a few shows last year in various countries and I had a bloody amazing time at each and every one.  So please stop trying to speak for all of us.

Just out of interest, how many shows did you go to last year?  I'm just curious because if you attended any of the same ones as me, I fail to see how anyone can be a GNR fan and yet still not enjoy seeing this band kick seven bells out of some classic Guns tunes.

Yeah, I agree.

I bet the poster means "us fans who'll never be happy with anything this band does".




/jarmo

Thanks for the review, brokenfix.  I'm glad you had such a memorable experience.  Just reading your post brought back some great memories.  I know just what you mean about feeling tired and thirsty whilst waiting but the minute you hear the intro music and the band launches into WTTJ, it's like getting an instant energy hit and all the tiredness just melts away.   :D

Looking forward to seeing your pictures and hope you get your voice back soon.   : ok:

That's the whole problem, they won't release the album, IMO that's what is making people more pissed, not the setlists

At least not here ... ?:hihi:

I can not for my life understand the relevance of when a band last played at a certain venue/country and how long the audience have to wait before the band comes on. The band fulfilled the wishes of the fans from Mexico when they announced the concert. From there on, the audience have every right to expect just as much from a band that hasn't been there for 50 years as from a band that plays there every week, as long as they are touring. Arguing against this logic seems absurd. By doing so, Jarmo's claiming GnR should exploit their 'advantange' or goodwill which comes from not having played there for 14 years. ????

If you're saying that it's OK for the band to come on late because they haven't been there in many years, how is it OK when they do it at a recently visited venue/country? If other reasons apply, why aren't you using them in this case instead of the time perspective?

I understand that Jarmo's not doing this by his own will, but I have serious doubt in the management/marketing department or whoever is behind this forced moderation of the board. In an internet environment, for GnR to gain reputation as a band who cencors unofficial fan communities without admitting it will not excactly enhance their image amongst a very web literate fan base, not to mention potential fans who learn about GnR online.

Enough ranting, it's great to see the band back in form, here's hoping for a trouble-free tour.

Oh please.

Just because some of us aren't spoiled brats doesn't mean it's some big conspiracy.


A lot of people were pissed because GN'R were "late" at Hammersmith last June. But what did we get? An amazing show.

Possibly the show of the year for many in attendance. So an extra hours wait seems stupid in comparison.


You just like to whine and nothing else makes any sense to you.

Just because I don't have a constant need to put the band down in order to make myself feel better, I'm controlled by some other people? Yeah right....


This whole fucking "they're late" shit is really old. It's GN'R, not your average rock band. When will you get that?



/jarmo

For all you whiners who are complaining about the setlist  and shit well I went to a show back in 06 best nite of my life and if they came again and played the same setlist It would be the second greatest nite in my life.  Just hang on im positive that after these shows in japan we will get something we will all been waiting for well that's just my opinion.

Personally for me I planned ahead for GNR's shows last year by either making sure there was public transport that ran thru the nite (Dublin) or if not, made sure one of our party drove (Glasgow). I kinda enjoyed the wait, hearing the 'Axl's not even in the country' banter etc as you did know it would start, just didnt know when. Made it more rock n' roll like.

However, i think you have to appreciate that people may be working the next day, not have their own car to get home if their aint public transport for the show finishing, or (from seeing the make-up of the audiences GNR seem to attract now) they may be young kids who can't stay awake up till 1 or so in the morning. I think you've gotta consider your audience a bit more.

Selfishly, I don't care. But for others it creates a problem. So I can see where ppl being pissed off comes from.

And for the record, the Glasgow show was easily the best show I've ever seen. Awesome.

Are you calling everyone that think it's uncomfortable to wait two hours in blistering heat after support bands for spoiled brats? If so, I think it's too harsh. Personally, it didn't mind me much to wait for GnR, but the venue was comfortable and well organised, I had a short walk home, and I didn't start work early in the morning after.


For you, undoubtedly. But maybe not for others? Should those fans leave this board?



As it appears to me, your post seems to consist mostly of whining, so who likes it the most? ?;) I'm only saying I think people who are unsatisfied by the delays should be able to express it.


Expressing discomfort about the wait is not the same as slagging the band, at least not for me. If you're so tired of being accused of conspiracies, why don't you write a disclaimer explaining precisely how management has influence over this board, and what it does not have influence over here? That would put an end to a lot of speculation and accusations.


I absolutely get that GnR's lateness is part of the package, but it sounds weird to excuse the wait by pointing to how many years it's been since the band last visited. When a concert goer expresses his/her dislike of such a wait, I have no problem understanding and respecting him/her for that opinion. If you say it's old, do you mean that people who just went to their first GnR concert aren't allowed to express all of their opinions about the concert, because some parts has been discussed before? Maybe you should put something like this in your board rules: Do not at any time express any kind of discomfort about show delays in reviews or anywhere else, even if it's a new and/or frustrating experience for you. This is because other fans has already experienced such discomfort.

ok,my bad i should not have said "us",you are correct. ? ?Jarmo are you content with what we have had over the last six years or so! ? im not bitching,im following a pattern,and anyone who does not see this is blind,same show's for the last six years,when there not cancelling show's that is. ? ?So tell me are you,do you have a sense of fulfillment from the last six years. ?And yes i have gone to show's in the past, i have the new and the old,what that has to do with anything im not quite sure.Oh and what about their website.can "I" get an answer for that.

Are there any pics from last night by any chance?

No, I'm calling people who sit behind a keyboard whining about setlists that 15000 other fans enjoyed, spoiled brats.





If you're only here to whine about the setlists and other things you have no control over, please do.

We don't need your negativity.


It's like the people who say "the end is coming!"... Over and over... And over... And over... And over again.

At some point you've heard enough.




We have a special thread for the whining in the Dead Horse section. You can make it your new online home if you wish.




You seem to think something has changed over night. The fact is, things happened already in 2004.

You're only noticing it now because we don't promote spreading illegal leaks.

Any speculation from people like you is just that, speculation.




It's just a way of saying, it's a pretty short wait in the big picture..... Besides, it's GN'R. Get used to it.



/jarmo

Oh, so thats why people constantly put down bands.  Good to know.  :yes:

No, GN'R.

I said "the band" not "bands". I thought you could read.....


Good to know you take things out of context to fit you needs.  :yes:

Oh wait, that's nothing new!




/jarmo

I think people have so much fun yesterday, I only hope they come to South America this year. I always enjoy viewing the updates. Yesterday I can?t because I have to go to a party with my husband.  I just go home and for the reviews seem like a wonderful show. The only complain is reading people complaining about the setlists and the tardiness of the show. I would love this setlists if they come to my city. And I am sure anybody who goes to a GNR concert know that the show will begin at midnight so I don?t see any reason for complain. I?m happy for our Mexican brothers enjoying these marvellous shows and I hope some photos soon. Thanks for the updates and the reviews.

Three new video's just poped up on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRDqYuNK0kc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFpNbkntUew
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmZmjjcdO-U

amazing vibe!!!!

Jarmo's right.? At Oakland, we were told at 12:00 that they were still "in the air" and people began to get a little unruly.? Me?? I used the extra time to get all the way up to the front to get a view that was as close as what I had at the Warfield show in September.? They touched down at Kaiser Field which is not far from the venue soon after and the opening riff to Jungle came at 12:35.? They played until almost three!!? Sure it was late, but it was one of (if not the very best) the best shows I've ever seen!!? Have you guys all watched the You Tube clips from last night?? Monterrey was electric and full of energy.? CD will come.? They are not doing this for nothing.

Yeah, watching and listening to those videos, I don't think that crowd gave a flyin' fuck about what the setlist was. When GNR play a show, we need to remember that it's all about those 15,000 people or so in that crowd, not those of us who are sitting at a computer. I know when I went to see them, I was just glad I was there, taking it all in. I didn't care if they played 'Yankee Doodle' and if you're at a show, you won't either...

(I'm sorry if there any errors in the spelling, note that my first language ain't english)

After 2 and a half hours of good sleep in the plane and half an hour taxi drive to the arena i was more than ready to finally see GNR live. After moved and cancelled dates around the san diego area i decided that having to fly to see axl and the boys was going to be the last option.

The taxi driver left me right outside of the arena, where at least 20 bootleg stands formed what it seemed to be a rock n' roll swapt meet. This obiously had to hurt the sales of the two little official GNR stands that were placed inside of the arena. This official stands sold t-shirts in gray and yellow versions of the new circle logo ($15) that's on the gnr site background, a poster with the same star logo (this one: http://www.newgnr.com/pix/ontour/photos/monterrey/thumbs/img5377sfv5eb8.jpg_t400.jpg ) ($5) and strangely the unofficial bootlegs chicago 92 and sex n drugs n rock n roll. No tin candle lights. I couldn't believe it either. In the other side of the coin, the bootleg stands sold EVERYTHING, including the Kill Your Idols T-shirt. Mugs, Jack-Daniels style of shirts, Guns N' Roses Was Here (Appetite original artwork) tour t-shirts with the new dates and a lot of other cool designs.

Next step, of course, linning up for the entrance. As soon as i was formed i knew what kind of crowd was going to be. A lady in their 30's something who had been in an original line up concert and a guy who was 24 that refused to accept the new incarnation as GNR, but respected axl anyways. The only new songs they had heard were Oh My God (which i found strange, since i tought this was one of the least known new songs) and Madagascar.

They let us in at about 7 and a half (i'm sorry if the times are incorrect, but i'm doing my best trying to remember). Most people were still buying drinks or just chattin' and this allowed me to get a good 2nd / 3rd row spot right at the right side of stage (that later on the night turned out to be Richard's and Ron's side). Dizzy's, Pittman's and Frank's part of the set (upstairs i guess) was covered.

Opening band started at i guess 9 and half? I really didnt even know what time was when i was there, let alone can remember it now. First song was OK, but got a wave of boo's. Second song, almost the same as the first, but with even more boo's at the end. Girl comes to deliver a guitar. By the start of the third it was apparent that the crowd was there to see GNR and nothing more. The band finish the third song and said something along the lines of you know what? we wont play anymore and left the stage. The mexican version of the Eagles Of Death Metal if you will... Same guitar girl comes to pick more instruments and it's greeted with TABLE chants.

And the first long wait begins. By this time i noticed that the guy to my left looked like a chubby version of Will Ferrell and that entertained me for a few minutes. There was also a guy who only spoke english right in the front line who looked exactly like Chad Channing from Nirvana. I'm pretty sure that guy posts in the forums but i couldn't really ask him. When i got bored my ipod served me well and entertained me for some more time. Since i had a pretty decent view of the back of the stage (but not exactly backstage area) i could see Del James hangin' there and the guys from the second opening band taking pictures. During this whole time that i was listening to my ipod several chants in the audience happened. I can't remember which ones exactly, but this is pretty common thing in Mexico (and i guess in the whole world)..One hour or so after the first opening band left the stage the next band comes in (I think they were called maligno, i'm not sure) ..

Ok. Who the hell chooses the openers? Stinson again? Worst excuse of metal band ever. The singer couldn't stop making the DIO horns sign and the guitar player looked exactly like a mexican version of dimebag (without the sombrero), but i must say that they at least had the center of the arena floor on their side, since a couple of? applauses appeared after the first song (but still nothing compared to a new wave of loud boo's, FUERA (leave) and PUTO (fag) chants. I could see a guy singin' a long to the songs a few persons behind me, which i found strange. Singer almost tripped after a song. They played what i guess were 6 or 7 songs, all as stereotypical-stupid metal as can be, and between songs the singer tried to gain the crowd by asking who was thirsty and throwing free water, but most of the free bottles were thrown back to the stage. GUNS N' ROSES chants between songs, specially during the end of the last one. Couple of applauses and a lots of? boo's and that was it for maligno... and the second wait begins.

Being a DMF (if you don't know you ain't supposed to be reading this) i already knew the waiting was going to be a long one, but i never expect to be such a long one. Thank god for my ipod. The crew started to set up everything, starting by checking out the drum set, spending a lot of time setting up pittman's keyboards, and testing the mic's. Audioslave, The Raconteurs, Foo Fighters and more were played over this long period of waiting. During the very first minutes of the set up i could see Del James hangin' by the side of the stage, and he appeared to be having a nice time (along with most of GNR crew). He dissapeared after the first half hour of waiting and the faces of the crew turned from smiles and laughs to evident preocupation. The crew looked to be doing things in a way to make time, like if they knew they had to be slow. They checked Pittman's keyboards in 4 ocations, taped the setlist to the floor, one by one, each one 20 or so minutes after the other. The camera man where lifted in a special seat and the poor guys had to wait at least 1 hour up there, but at least he had a seat...

Things in the audience side weren't going OK. A guy in the seated section was scorted out by security by doing i don't know why. Crowd started to do the wave thing, and succeded after 5 failed attempts. Between 3 or 4 plastic cups of beer were thrown to the stage. I got bored and turned my ipod off. Finally had the balls to tell the guy next to me that he looked exactly like Will Ferrell, and everybody on my side agreed. By this time i was fucking tired, my back was feeling like hell and i was very thirsty. Will Ferrell and other guys next to me, not wanting to loose the 2nd row spot convinced a lady to bring us soda, and she did it. Fucking miracle she came back... More chit-chat... Will Ferrell started to get angry and a couple of bring maligno band chants erupted. By this time 2 hours or so of waiting had happened and for the first time i tought there was going to be a cancellation. Nobody had seen axl in the city, and Del James was nowhere to be seen near the stage as he had been most of the show.. Then, the worst thing happened. The arena screens showed us a message that read : IN A COUPLE OF MINUTES THE BAND GUNS AND ROSES (guns n' roses in red) WILL TAKE THE STAGE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. This is obiously to calm down the people before the cancelation's made, Will Ferrell and i tought....

But i was wrong

(play Welcome To The Jungle in your computer please)

Lights Out. Fucking Hell. They were indeed going to play. But i haven't seen anybody. Exorcist theme. Screen's On. Jungle Riff, where the fuck was Robin? I couldn't see him. I see Dizzy. They're here... then, out of nowhere, BUM! lights, lyrics start. Axl looking exactly as dangerous as you would want. Fuck the he's too old shit, he could probably beat the shit out of you with the eyes closed if he wanted. Ron holds up Rey Mysterio Jr's mask. Fortus right in front of me, looking maniac, and i'm not saying that in a good way. You see, you read that this guy sends fans instructions on how to play guitar, kisses little babies ... well, that guy's gone. This guy makes more strange faces than sanyaja singing. He looks ultra-drugged. He looks like the type of guy who would make the old band members pee their pants, moving on. Jungle continues. Finck gets to my side. Looking a little bit older than he does in the internet, but cool anyways. People singin' along like crazy. It was fucking incredible to see how the whole audience, who was fucking pissed and screaming bullshit a minute before was on their feets and going nuts in another. Tommy moves closer to my side... OK, this was the worst part of the whole concert. Tommy looked horrible, and i can't stress this enough. His face was (at least to me) a little bit disfigured, if he was a fucking zombie. Yeah, zombie, that's the word...

It's So Easy and Mr.Brownstone. I'm one of those that hates the repetition of setlists, but the first 3 songs in that order work very well, very fast-paced. The fact that these three songs were played in that order saved the show. Ron looks awesome, he was wearing HUGE boots with HUGE heels. He's ultra skinny now, you wouldn't recognise him if the only referense you had was the braids and cap photos circa 2000. He looks just awesome, way younger than he is. He looked like if he was only 23. He threw guitar picks at least 3 times my side of the stage, causing a friendly fight for it. At the end of either Brownstone or Live And Let Die he and Finck raised a sign that read AXL WLECOME BACK WE MISSED YOU, wich was fucking awesome and i hope a pic of that surfaces. He played the next song covered in the sign, and helt it up backwards in one occasion. LOL. A lot of people were throwing shirts and stuff to him so he would held it up. One of those persons threw a hat and almost hit Fortus in the face, but thank god he avoided it. Live And Let Die was good, couldn't really hear well Axl's Voice. Axl jokes about Frank's Pimped-Metal purple drum set. Frank was wearing a red bandana covering his mouth for the first songs by the way Finck's solo.. OK? I was surprised people weren't booing, which was my biggest fear. Sweet Child O'Mine, huge response. I think that either during the end of this one or Live And Let Die, Finck tried to run to his amp to get the distortion sound and almost knocked Tommy by accident, and neither of them looked happy.

Better, the fist of the new songs was next and i was for what i can tell the only guy in the arena singing along. Axl's 2002 voice hinted a return during the first line of the screaming part, but by the second was long gone for the rest of the night. Knocking On Heaven's Door, Axl's right in front of me, cool ending, tommy looks he's into the song. Looks Awesome. You Could Be Mine, Bumblefoot OWNS this song, and Tommy's bass really makes it sound good. Song Ends, Frank Ferrer starts the Guns N Roses chants. Another solo. Surprised me that a couple of the fans knew the song and where singing along. Thank god it wasnt long. By this time i tought that it was obious that they were going faster than usual, with very few jams between songs as they usually do. Also most of the solos were very short in comparation to other previous shows. The Blues starts, and somebody recognises it. Surprised me again. Sounds Good. The same goes for Out Ta Get Me. Fortus screaming I'm not innocent right in front of me. November Rain's next, get's huge response. I.R.S., just like Better, i was the only guy singing along to it, awesome version. I can see beta at the side, just watching the band. Seems to be different from the latest leak in the solo, but's most probably a live improvisation. Bumblefoot plays some mexican sounding song, then goes straight to Don't Cry, without any strange songs in between. For me that was when i knew they had to hurry up. My Michelle's up next, and i miss Bach. I mean, if Bach would have been the opening act i can assure you i wouldn't had really cared that much for the 2 plus hours of waiting. This song needs Bach from now on. Patience's up next, and also gets a huge response. Nightrain. Good One Too. Oh man, i couldn't wait. After finishing it they were going to come back and finck would climb up the stairs and start to play the Chinese Democracy intro and....

and...

And they came back, but straight to Paradise City. I couldn't believe it. No the now classic encore opener Chinese Democracy, no Madagacascar, no last to one usual Rocket Queen. Crowd went wild anyways, since most of them don't know this is always the last one. Mini moshpit starts for the first time right at the beginning of the verse. Axl's ON in this one, running from one side to another. Monterrey, Good, Fucking, Night. Song Ends. Band gets together for the applause, go offstage and that's it. Lights On.  Overall, it was a very good show, but when you know that this band can give you more than a very good show you can't help but feel dissapointed.

We go outside the arena. Bootleg stands still there. White Van comes out, people at the sides, apparently it was the band. I was surprised, since the show must have had ended no more than 15 minutes ago, but that was it. They came, they rocked and they where gone.

HBK sent me some more pictures of him and his friends with some of the band outside the venue (i think) from June 2. You can see them http://breakdownwebdesign.com/photoalbum.htm. Its the last 26 pictures on there.

Several fan-filed video clips of GUNS N' ROSES performing at the Monterrey Arena in Monterrey, Mexico Saturday night (June 2) have surfaced on YouTube.

http://youtube.com/results?search_query=guns+roses+monterrey+2007

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyLlqFchtX8

November Rain 2nd June Nice quality

Thanks for the review, superloconoriega. Very nice read.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmZmjjcdO-U

Hahaha, so many cams and cell phones ... does anyone actually listen to and fuckin' ENJOY the music anymore?  ;D

I've seen them a half a dozen times, and nobody around me was bellyaching like these yahoos.

Really?, damn, I didn't see that, the crowd was really wild were I was.

Yeah, I remember that he had a zombie like face, but he only got my attention just a couple of times, Robin and Richard stole the show with their stage presence.

Some people behind me were talking about how awesome the Finck solo sounded :)

Me and some guy next to me were also singing the new songs : ok:

Yeah, after Nightrain I was expecting Chinese Democracy but Paradise City was so awesome and intense that everything is cool for me, a great concert really, probably 2 or 3 songs shorter than the past year but the awesome performance made up for that.

I got to hear an instrumental Madagascar while the soundcheck so I'll survive  ;D

thanks for the reviews, brokenfix and superloconoriega.

glad that you had such a great time. :D

thanks for pics updates and reviews, it makes the grey skies a little blue-er here :D

what was the setlist? any different from the last tour?  ???

No.

how did you get into the soundcheck?

This is the sign i'm talking about in my review (with a good view of BBF's giant shoes)
(http://www.newgnr.com/pix/ontour/photos/monterrey/thumbs/03-06-07_0119.jpg_t400.jpg)

Well, we were outside the arena, and the crew there had the service door open while GN'R were doing the soundcheck and we could hear it, they played WTTJ 1 1/2 times, Madagascar 2 times if I remember well, and It's so Easy one time, the last one with vocals, but not by Axl, I dunno who was singing it.

Here is my earlier review:

Man, I just woke up, my bones hurts and with almost no voice.

Yesterday I saw the best concert rock and roll show experience in my life. Some points:

- I was lined up outside the arena early and met some people that travelled from other states, even some people from the USA, we got to hear the soundcheck, man, we could hear the music outside the arena!, the music is loud!
- The first opening band left the stage after 3 songs because everybody were booing them and some people ever cursing them.
- Maligno plays good but after 5 song everything sounded the same, but my thought was "Well, I think we have something to pass the time, because the security guys said that GN'R was scheduled to play at 11:15 pm", Maligno show ended at 10:35 pm I think.
- The crew started to prepare the stage for GN'R, I was very exited, then 11:15 came and nothing, 11:30 nothing, 11:45 nothing, 12:00 nothing. Man!! I have been here standing for like more than 6 hours and my legs were very tired and I was very thirsty!
- Some people were angry and trowing beer and stuff, I was starting to feel angry too, at one point a lot of police men entered the arena and I thought "the show is going to be cancelled and things will be very ugly".
- A message appeared in the arena screens that said "In a few minutes the band Guns N' Roses will be on stage, thank you for your patience"
- At 12:30 the lights went off and everybody started screaming and going crazy, like if GN'R weren't late and everything were cool, I was doing it too. WTTJ started and Axl shouted "You know were the fuck you aaaaareeeeee!!!!!!" and all the people in the floor went crazy jumping and singing loud.
- You now know the set list and everyone were having a good time and in slow songs like KOHD, November Rain and Patience you could hear the whole arena singing, even with the Don't Cry solo everyone singed and Bumblefoot gave two thumbs up and applauded the crowd. The solos were very celebrated and after the Dizzy piano solo a "Dizzy, Dizzy, Dizzy!!" could be heard.
- Paradise City was very intense, a mosh pit started and a glass with beer almost hit Axl, when I saw that I was paralyzed, lol.
- Overall a great and intense show that make up the starting up late, when the lights went on I saw a lot of happy faces, I think that only a very very few knew about past set list of last year, Chinese Democracy and Madagascar were missing, probably because of that it was 2:30 am and they needed to move out almost half the country for the concert today, or maybe because it was the first show of the tour. But everyone were happy that they got to see a great great band with awesome musicians and an awesome singer for 2 hours.

If I remember more things I'll post them, meanwhile I'll wait for some pictures and videos, and probably a full video bootleg. Best regards.

I wanna see some pics from this show!

great... ::)

Excellent reviews guys!  I really enjoyed reading them. Superloco-I totally agree with you when you said "My Michelle" needs Bach!  I bet it wasn't the same without him-esp. live! 

Thank You friend.

HBK *

Yeah, awesome.

It was awesome for the people that were there.

For the others that surf the internet and check the update threads, it's boring.

(http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/2888/gnr1bt0.png)

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Is that true dude? Did Axl decide to stay in the airplane until the starting of the show? Weird  ???

i dont know but those are the rumours (another pic posted in my prev. post by the way)

Thanks for the pictures Superloconoriega.

There will always be  rumours for Guns N' Roses.

Treat them just like that... Fuckin rumours...

At least the GN'R rumors are more entertaining than the Bon Jovi ones...... :rofl:

Superloconoriega those picture are amazing, thanks

great reviews and pics

are there any official review ?

wow... cool pictures indeed!  :peace:


yeah.. it is.

obviusly because concerts are fpor the people to go to the arenas..
not to the people in the forums complaining about setlist or if axl wore a red jacket

Taken from mygnrforum.com

Hi guys,

Here is the review (part one) of "El norte" one of the most impotant newspapers in the north of Mexico.

I have been in two GNR shows in my life, the one in 93 and last saturday both in Monterrey.

Don?t want to repeat all that has already been posted about this show but I want to point two things before the review.

1-The set list was perfect it might be the same for the past few years but believe me nobody in Mty cared, most of the song were the second time were played live in this city if 14 years counts as been played and of course the first time for the CD ones, the next day I went sightseeing in monterrey many people on the streets were wearing their bootleg T-shirt, some stores and restaurants were playing GNR music, It was very cool and I was very proud to had been there

2-At the end of the show Axl said something telling us to be careful on our way back home, can?t remember the exact phrase but It was a nice touch, Dude! Axl cares!! lol

So Here is the review, sorry I don`t have a scanner to do it properly, I hope the translation is not too literal, didn`t like the way the paper treated the new band most of the article is "Axl Rose" and the people who is with him now.

English Version...

Thousands Wait Axl Rose for two hours.

HE ARRIVES LATE AND CONQUERS

Axl Rose is still in debt with the regiomontanos ( *people who live in monterrey the same as people who live in NY are new yorkers): GNR lider arrived in the city Saturday in time for his performance that night, but he decided to remain in the airport at his plane until the closest time for his performance, this make a record on been the longest delay ever registered on an international concert in Monterrey.
Almost all of the 12500 fans who sold out the tickets for this concert hold on the waiting sleepy and bored to death. An irritating two hour waiting or more if you consider the time of the opening acts.

The Arena Monterrey staff was confused: Around 23:40 hrs, the spoke man of Arena Monterrey, Alfredo Vernal said that he had no idea of the reason for the delay since Axl Rose plane had arrived earlier that Saturday. Other source told us that the singer arrived but stayed at the airport until later that night for reasons unknown. The rest of the band arrived the day before.

Finally the concert started at 00:40 hrs of June 4th with ?Welcome to The jungle? although near 100 people left before it started complaining and asking for their money back.

The opening acts started at 21:00 hrs, the first band was Maurizio Terracina`s ?The Voltures?, Maurizio used to played on the local bands Zurdok and Vaquero (We only let them play like 10 minutes lol they sucked big ), after that and later ?Maligno? took the stage but the crowd weren`t too happy to see them either.

But nobody expected that after the last opening act we would have to wait for over two very long hours before the band hit the stage, except for the hard core Axl fans for whom his visceral behavior wasn`t nothing new.

PATIENCE

At 23:35 when the crowd`s patience was almost over, several Monterrey transit police officers were seen backstage. And there is not that They were Axl`s special guests, If not that 5 minutes earlier they were Axl Rose escorts direct from the airport to the arena to let the traffic out of his way.
Now He was at his dressing room, at what time he was expecting to come out??. There are rumors that this kind of behavior was one of the reason his former bandmates left. As an example Slash who is one of the most remembered former Guns N Roses prefers to be a guest on Paulina Rubio?s Video rather than be with Axl, and that is to much to say.

The new band hired by the singer and owner of the Guns N Roses name have no choice other than stand him. Someone Said that Axl wasn?t sick or angry , he actually was very nervous due to the world tour starting in Monterrey after an 6 month hiatus.
This was a better concert than the one in 1993. A shame that the bad taste in the audience still remains after the lead singer way to much time to get in to the stage.

EXCELLENT AXL

Axl wore a Mariachi jacket for a while during the show , this time he was in good shape, great voice and without problems to control the stage. It was a two hour balanced set list based on fans favorites and three new songs who are supposed someday to be in the delayed almost for seven years album Chinese Democracy...The complete set list was....(please insert the set list here ;D..)

According to one of the staff?s lights guy the new songs are called I.R.S, Better and The blues.
The new band members (actually the literal translation would be Axl?s companions) are very competitive musicians who move their fingers as good or better than the former band members.

In the set list were some covers Paul McCartney LALD, Dylan?s KOHD and a very cool version of the Rolling Stones? Angie played on piano by an old time survivor Dizzy Reed and guitarist Ron Thai showed his talent with a Don?t Cry Solo.
The fireworks, the stage with Chinese characters , big screens, lights, the surprising Confetti at the end (*lol this guy needs to go out more), the great set list selection, everything, everything was perfect and was enjoyable for the audience.

A Perfect Concert....If Axl would had arrived two hours earlier.

Source "El Norte"

* :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
wonderful review! See, noone cares about setlist. Not who is going to the shows.

*This was a better concert than the one in 1993.*

nice! so people from mexico now know band members, and they just loved them. At least, this show was better than the UYI's one.  :D