Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Yah, Axl should have played all the new songs in Mexico.  Come on people please!  These people in Mexico wanted to hear the hits.  Why would Axl play never played CD songs in Mexico on the first date of a new world tour.  This album deserves proper promotion.  This show is not the proper vehicle to launch new shit.  The mexican show was probably great.  As the fans from that show wake up this morning with wicked hangovers and ears still ringing, I doubt there going to lament about what did not happen at that show.  Any band that has a catalog of hits from the last twenty years that plays a gig geographically somewhere they have not performed in a while is not going to play all new shit.  As far as Axl being late for a gig.  Is that new.  Thats his fricking trade mark.  In the 90's  it said show starts around 9 pm or something like that.   Let the tour get some legs, maybe we will see some suprises.  Feel free to delete this post mods.   I just needed a platform to vent about stupid criticism.   

I was there and i lament that there was no Chinese Democracy or Madagascar.

Ok fuck it.  I am wrong.  Axl you piece of shit how dare you play the songs that people already know.  I hate singing along to sweet child of mine.  Your setlist should have been.  1 Chinese democracy 2 Silkworms 3 Rhiad 4 Maddy 5 The Blues 6 Prostitute 7 Sorry 8 The Blues 9 The General 10 Twat 11 Better 12 Irs.  Encore My World.  Now that would have torn the lid off the place. 

 :hihi:  Dungbeetle, nice posts. 

My World finale   :rofl: "...my distorted smile.........good...fuckin...night!!!"    :rofl:

I dont like "The General", to much bass...
the rest of the setlist is OK... but where is dont cry, and the pitman solo?

My world unplugged at central park. ?Thats my dream ;D

Lucky, I am glad you like my setlist.   I think.

add oh my god and maybe garden for encore, then people who haven't seen the band for 14 years /never seen a show will go nuts! : ok:

Oh and how about a few covers. my fav pillow, ain't goin down.

Ok how about playing some different fucking songs that people know like Estranged, Right next Door to Hell, Yesterdays, Civil war, Pretty Tied Up.....They don't have to play new shit but how about something a bit different.....And I am not one of those people that don't go to shows and then complain....I flew to New York twice last year to see them and once to vegas in 01.....Thank god back then I atleast got a kinda different setlist with Oh my God, and Silkworms.....

I think estranged is kind of black listed.  Its my favorite song.  I know it means a lot to Axl.  When the video came out they were so over exposed.  It wasnt that big of a hit actually.  Lots of people point to that song and video as sort of the tipping point of 80's excess.  I think that notion is bullshit.  Its a shame if he has reservations about playing that song cause of superfical reasons that I mentioned.  Christ I should blast that song right now. 

and the cowbell solo? howcome nobody ever does that?

Because people don't know them as well as Appetite?

These people haven't seen the band live, they're excited to see this setlist.  You went to three shows, good for you!  Some of these people have never seen GN'R.  Maybe they want to hear the songs that we've heard?
It's not your problem really, is it?

Hahahahaha, great post, I laughed out loud :)

They're going to play The Blues twice? Sweet!

I think they should've at least played Chinese Democracy in the set, after all, this is the 'Chinese Democracy World Tour' ain't it? :yes:

I think they should play whatever they feel like playing when they go on stage and play for a crowd that you are not a part of. 

Shit.

It's not.




/jarmo

I usually keep quiet about this stuff JB, but I thought you would've agreed with me about that.

I know, I wasn't there, and I'm sure the crowd loved it regardless, but why not at least play the title song that the tour is named after?

 I agree in that its one of their best songs and it would be great if they played it.    I don't agree that its up to us to say they have to.  They will play what they are comfortable playing.   The album isn't out yet.   Even when it is, theres no law that says they have to play the album's title track.

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Where on that poster does it say Chinese Democracy World Tour?

Isn't it?

It's printed "Chinese Democracy World Tour" on my two tickets for their Sydney shows.

If it's not in Mexico, I apologixe and retract my statements. But I thought this whole tour was called the "Chinese Democracy World Tour"

wait a minute!!
you heard "the General"?

Look the fact is until the new record comes out most people are gonna consider this just the Axl Rose Band play Guns N Roses songs. I mean Robert Plant played lots of Zep tunes on his tours, but nobody confused his new band of being Led Zeppelin, so why should fans think of this as really Gun & Roses when they've just been playing the old hits without a new album?

There's a reason we ask people to read the board for a while before they post.  You're it.

I suggest you go here, and have a good natter.

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?board=13.0

As far as I know, the poster sold at the shows doesn't say that (or the t-shirts).

GN'R doesn't print the tickets...




/jarmo

One thing I've never understood is the tours advertising strategy. ?Some posters say Chinese Democracy and some don't. ?It's like they don't want people to know, but then again Axl complains about proper promotion? ?It just doesn't make sense to me!??! ?But then again what about Axl and GN'R does make sense??!

I haven't heard the band say that this is the Chinese Democracy World Tour.

Those are just assumptions from people.




/jarmo

I'm aware of that, but my comments were directed at the promotion of the tour & band.

Your comments have been said a thousand times before, and they are very, very boring.

End of.

Your right metallex. It has been promoted in Australia as the Chinese Democracy World tour through Ticketek, Television, radio and on the tickets. No one has yet confirmed it as anything different in Mexico. Maybe it was just listed as World Tour in Mexico. Someone please advise?? And if so, that was a fair set list.

However if it was promoted as the Chinese Democracy World Tour, then I would be annoyed that I only heard 3 songs played and especially not the title song. Thats why I made my original comment about this. But some people like to argue and insult others (when they dont argree or support) because they often don't have a valid point to make. I hope GNR play more new songs when they come to Oz!!

I assumed the Mexican shows were the same, which is my mistake, because the Australian shows have clearly been advertised as "Chinese Democracy World Tour" regardless of if the band has said so or not.

^^ It seems that the Australian promoter is using the phrase in their promotion.

My comments are more meaningful than ever. The longer this drags on without a new album ?the more this issue is gonna be continued to be raised.

Surely the band would have say in what the Australian promoter uses to promote their tour.

Oh, and Jarmo, I know the band doesn't print the tickets themselves, but their advertising has all clearly said "Chinese Democracy World Tour". Should I dismiss that too?

I've been hinting at you to drop it, you're moving into minus karma territory.

Well, if you say it's the promoter, then it's pretty clear that the band themselves aren't the ones hyping it as the Chinese Democracy World Tour.




/jarmo

I wonder when the shows after the japanese dates are going to be confirmed, and WHAT countries are next.

GNR toured USA in 2002 and 2006. Toured Europe in 2002 and 2006. 2007 starts with Mexico, Australia and Japan.

What is next? My common sense tells me Southamerica, but who knows. I also wonder if there is gonna be a break after the japanese dates. If not, the new dates must be announced really soon.

That is strange logic.

There's ads promoting the tour saying "Guns N' Roses Chinese Democracy World Tour in Australia 2007", but I shouldn't accept it because the band didn't say it? What about everyone that has bought tickets from seeing the ad, should they also not accept it as the CD World tour even though it has been advertised as such?

I stand behind this band and I'm really looking forward to the shows and all, but all this is pretty bizarre.

maybe it is strange, but its not your normal everyday band.  Its Guns N' Fuckin Roses and Axl has always and will always do things the way he intends to do them and not give a shit about what people think.

Well, if it was GN'R's decision, how come the Mexican and Japanese shows aren't advertised as the Chinese Democracy World Tour?

Wouldn't it make sense to use the same name for all shows?

How come it's only the Australian ones (which are promoted by the same company)?




/jarmo

Who the fuck knows really... ??? :hihi:

But I doubt everyone who bought tickets to the "CD World Tour" in Australia are following what Mexico and Japan are being advertised as to compare.

I might contact the promoter in Australia to find out what we're really gonna be getting when the band hits our shores in a few weeks.

Which comes back to my original comment "I hope that don't plan to bring that set list Down Under". Because it is The Chinese Democracy World Tour as promoted in Australia.. Thats the fact. Don't argue what its called or who made up the name. We live here and we know how the promotion has been sold.

So I hope they play more than 2-3 CD songs.

The band isn't doing the promotion either.

I suspect they'll play the same kind of show the rest of the world saw in 2006. More or less.





/jarmo

Complaining about a setlist in those places is like if a movie gets released after some time in your place but since you already saw it on a shitty cam version on internet, you want to watch a movie with new scenes.

I mean, get some time and make a pool outside the arena. Ask how much are there for GNR for the first time and how much complain about the setlist after the show.

Of course I would love to get more new songs (even old UYI songs) on setlist, but as I never saw this band live, I would have a blast anyways with the same old setlist for sure. As a lot of people who never saw them here in my country.

My only hope is that they at least include CD in the setlist seeing as Australia is being promoted as the "CD World tour". I have no other complaints about the set seeing as I haven't seen this band live ever. I have no doubt the shows will kick ass regardless.

LOL!

Well considering this is from the bands own site.

"The 2007 Chinese Democracy Tour got off to a blistering start with two sold-out concerts in Monterrey and Guadalajara, Mexico."

I would say the are promoting it as the CD tour.

I said this in the other thread and I'll say it again.  :D

Whether you're on the way to china, in china or on your return trip from china, all the same you're on a Chinese tour.

Converse with any plankton lately? :P

Do planktons speak english these days or you are the plankton?  :D

Some speak English now , but most still speak platinizing : ok:.

hahahaha

What's your response to that Jarmo?

You'll probably say the band aren't responsible for what's written on the website either...

 ::)




of course I did.
A fairy gave it to me after I returned her the magic beans she lost
(I think she was Portuguese, since I gave her the regular beans  :hihi: )



edit; whoppy... I became a legend  :P
1500 posts, and 5 years here... still no album...  :nervous:

If they had played 12 songs only there would have been a riot.  ;)

Whats worse having a show canceled or shortened?

Ha don't expect a public apology from anyone who made an ass of themselves putting shit on us without knowing the facts. They will all crawl bag into their holes again.

Your stupid

I don't expect anything really, but Jarmo sure was adamant that it wasn't the "Chinese Democracy World tour" and the band's website says it pretty clearly.

Does it really matter what the tour is promoted as? If you dont like the setlist dont go. If you dont like it being called "Chinese Democracy World Tour" dont go. If you don't like the way Jarmo runs this place dont come back...

There seems to be a lot of negative energy amongst GNR fans lately... who are we blaming this week? Axl? Beta? Del? Jarmo? Hoarders? Leakers?

This has been really emotional and exhausting for lots of people on the board.  Its like a real life soap opera.  It is really compelling to be on this board. 

I have no problem with it being called the Chinese Democracy World tour, but that was my point - I just figured Mexico would've at least got to hear CD in the set with it being so. But otherwise I couldn't give two shits really.

Just because I'm questioning or suggesting something doesn't mean I'm being negative. I'm sure the show kicked all sorts of ass regardless.

Just chill dude.

They sure didn't play Get In The Ring very often during the Get In The Ring Motherfucker Tour.

I would say that is because it (Get In The Ring) is a crap song. Chinese Democracy though kicks ass. Why wouldn't they play that? I am sure they will have it back on the set list soon.

agreed.  I am going to see any shows in my area regardless of the name of the tour, or what songs they choose to play for the set.   I don't get why people think they are entitled to make demands.    Some people just need to be constantly negative, I guess its gratifying on some level for these people to know they are irritating the true GnR fans.

Why be so anal with the song Chinese Democracy? It wasn't played in every single show last year and nobody complained that much because of this.

Also, the tour is named like that because of the album, not just one song. As far as we know (which is pretty much nothing), the song could not make the cut in the tracklist, btw.

IMO this is more likely a made up reason to complain in another way about the setlist.

We don't appreciate this kind of behaviour here. If you can't wait for an answer, then it's your problem. Consider this your 2nd warning.

And stop the name calling. You both got a neg karma for it.

You guys are frickin hilarious!

Did you warn the guy that called me stupid before i posted this not to name call?? Probably not because he's on your side. What about any of the others. If not do so if they are the rules that you police.

Metalix78 and I simply said that we expect more CD songs to be played because this is the CD Tour to which many here took offence and put hostile shit on us. We have since been proven right about the name of the tour. Straight from the Guns N roses Official website. Yet noboby who flamed us for it us had the balls to put their hands up and say"sorry, I was wrong". Which clearly demonstrates their lack of integrity. They just keep on "dont go to the concert then", "sell you tickets then" name calling "Whiners" e.t.c (any warnings for them? When infact they are the ones doing the whinging.

We have been polite and controlled in our responses for the most part of this. Yet there are characters here that have accussed us of constantly whinning about the set list, not being"TRUE GNR Fans" whatever the fuck that means. For the record this is the only band that I own every album of, have as many bootlegs as I can get and basically have been jumping on the net every week since before the days of the GNRONLINE forum was born to find out when I can buy their next fucking album. So you can all hold back on the piss weak line "your not a true guns n roses fan" which is lame.

Now if I am going to be victimized by a group of people who have gone out of their way to take offence at calling the set list of the first show "boring" then expect my retaliation to continue with an equal amount of venom to which I am afforded.

who gives a shit what the name of the tour is.   

Plenty of people. It's made for a really great thread. You should read it some time. :-X

Amen to that!

Exactly.

I was quick to apologize and retract what I said when Jarmo said it wasn't called the CD World tour, but now it has been said that it is, it would be nice to get cut some slack about it.

The thing is that all GN'R fans are so guarded about what we can and can't say about the band, there doesn't leave much to talk about.

Suggesting that they should play CD on the CD world tour in a country that hasn't seen them in 14 years ain't exactly being negative. Fuck, I mean I was pissed at VR and even Foo Fighters when they played the same sets two nights in a row in Sydney when I saw them, and I wasn't short of saying so, but they were still great shows.

But this whole setlist thing is such a sore point with everyone so I'm just gonna stay out of these threads.

Bring on the Aussie tour already! :beer:

the setlists indeed have effects on some fans. if there would be 10 shows to possibly attend i might go to all of them if they at least differ in setlists. but getting 95% the same stuff each show this is not an option for me and others.
please...why not at least CHANGING the song order??!! put jungle and scom in the encore, start with cd or nightrain/easy for example <-- i'd like that and also NO new fan havent seen the band live would complain about!! this way you'd easily please more fans when not wanting to add new songs, right?

unfortunately for now it turned out you have to go to ~15-20 shows to catch 1-2 special ones setlistwise. and that doesnt work for the most fans.

by the way the new "CD Tour/World Tour 2007" gnr.com update turned out amusing reading this thread! whats it now....a mistake by the webside master not naming it "world tour"?? :hihi:

They also refer to the tour as "world tour" on the official site.




/jarmo

Exactly, too many no-life retards on the board, just bitchin' about everything..ridiculous

The amount of people that go to multiple shows are minute at best I would bet.? Either because of monetary or geographical reasons, MOST fans are only able to go to one show if any at all.? And heck, if you are able to afford to go to more than one show than you know what you're in for.? The vast majority of the crowd EACH night Guns hits these places they haven't played in 5-15 years are hearing them for the first time.? That's who they're playing for, the 10's of thousands who fall under that category, not the 100's who have returned to see them AGAIN.? I guess they could change up the order of the setlist, but I'm not really sure how much that would improve things.? You're still hearing the same songs, the criticisms would continue.? As far as proper promotion, I would assume or at least hope that they will continue to play the same setlist as they hit these places they haven't played in awhile and not return to, the States or Europe until they release the album.? It's one thing to play the same setlist in 2002 and 2006, that's 4 years apart, changes took place in the band.? But if they were to come back ONE year later and do the same thing, then you may have an argument.? So hopefully the promotion starts SOON!

because it's a world tour, as in world tour, not "The World Tour".

Ummm, yeah?

I meant that they're not consistent in calling it the Chinese Democracy World Tour.....





/jarmo

Jeez admit youre wrong. You claimed no one associated with the band was calling it the "Chinese Democracy" tour then someone pointed out that it was printed on their own OFFICIAL website. So get over it.

We are all sick of seeing the same setlists. Anyone who says they arent is lying.

We all want this album and COMMON SENSE would have told GnR to kick off yet another tour with some new songs. I love band and I'll go and see them regardless of what they play. But we all know its time for them to start promoting the new stuff.

Why does a band like Guns N Roses need any promotion at all?
We know who they are.....we know what they stand for......we know that we (who are going) will get our socks blown off our feet.....

we're not discussing how they are calling it.
we are discussing how it IS called. and it's called CD tour.

people can call you "Dick", but that's still not how you are called.
see the difference?


lol, I just had to use "Dick"  ;D

Here is the gist of the promotion in Australia - 4 words:

The Gunners are coming!
The Gunners are coming!

I'll admit I'm wrong when I'm wrong.




I'm not because I can be happy for others.

Fans at the two first shows in Mexico just got to see one hell of a show.

I'm not sick of that at all.



I'm more sick of people who aren't going to the shows saying the fans going should get something else.



/jarmo

Are you sick or SEEING the same setlist, or READING the same setlist?

lol, looks like you are wrong, only when making sarcastic statements  ;D

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?action=search2

congrats dude. I wish I could be right all the time : ok:

Im pretty sure that next to TWAT, Chinese Democracy was played the least frequently of any of the new songs last year.

I know what I was told. Do you?




/jarmo

The people on the boards who are complaining about the setlist probably account for less than 2% of the audience that attend the gigs. The majority of people who go to GnR gigs are music fans who want to hear the old stuff. That is the material they have access to and in most cases grew up with. Axl is playing what the majority want to hear!

When the new album comes out the setlist will change, there will probably be another topic almost identical to this one in which people will be complaining that they no longer play much of AFD. You cant please everyone.

Jonx

True, but not dramatically, and especially not towards the end.

The Blues 73
Better 69
I.R.S 57
Madagascar 49
Chinese Democracy 37 (became a regular on the NA leg, around 60-70% of it's perfomances happened there)
There Was A Time 2

Ok, now you are talking about officially unreleased material.

If somebody want to restrict me from talking about a tour they can feel free.

Polluxum, your facts and figures may be right, however in this case, your logic is not.

Illuminate me then.

Don't feel like getting into another boring circular discussion about the setlist, the much anticipated CD, and songs that I haven't even heard of.........

However, in the name of all things logical I will draw your attention to the title/subject of this thread.....

That's your perogative, but I'm still right.

If it makes you feel better!

But if I were to judge your statements with the 'common good' in mind, I would have to strongly disagree.

Exactly.

Some people will honestly never be happy.

Are you talking about the people who keep on discussing setlists? Tell me about it!

Yes, I am.

It doesn't just apply to setlists either. Some people just dont have it in them to find happiness in anything.

No, because we have a life. We're not online 24/7. When I logged in I saw you both name calling eachother and you both got a negative karma.

If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Don't accuse others cause they did it first. You did the exact same thing. You both got the same punishment.

If you were polite, you wouldn't answer that and you'd leave it to the mods to decide who and if he/she was wrong.

You did the same thing when you posted on the updates thread.

Someone called you a whinner and you had to reply with all kinds of insults. You don't have to call the other person a cunt or an asshole to insult him...


You have not been polite. Ironic is the right word for your behaviour.

If you think you were polite, then you have no idea what polite means.

And your last post about Jarmo was hostile. Which we don't appreciate.


You have been here since 2004. The same comments ("boring setlist") get the same responses and we had that last year during the entire tour.

If you find the setlist boring don't go to the shows. If you believe that you won't enjoy it, don't go. The solution is really simple.

If the Australia shows are sold out, you won't have a problem selling your ticket.

On the other hand, if you love this band as much as you say, you'd enjoy just seeing them after all these years live.

How many shows have you seen in 2006 or 2007?




If you continue with this behaviour, you won't be here to retaliate.

Christos....did you and others like the short cover of "Light My Fire" in Greece'06?
would you agree that such things or the 3x Wembley 6/29/06 covers and "Down on the Farm" are some special/cool compared to the "usual" setlist?
and....did those few changes alienate the fans or would you think they had a great time aswell?

They wouldn't be special if they did them every other night.....

Some nights, they'll play something special.



Just like the encore. Some nights it's one song, other nights it could be five songs.




/jarmo

I did enjoy it but that is not the point of my discussion with him.

I'm tired of people posting about this the whole time.

The band will play what they feel like.

Not everyone goes all around the world to see them. And most important, the band won't change the setlist for the very few that have enough money to go to different countries and watch almost every show. They will make lots of thousands of fans happy every night, but they won't play for the few privilledged who have enough money to travel everywhere with the band.

And I assure you, those who have done that, had the time of their life. Noone has complained.

Most people are lucky to have seen them once.

Also, not everyone is into bootlegs. So, they won't see all the shows and in the end find the whole tour boring.

A show is a show. You go there to have fun.

Reading about the setlist on the internet has nothing to do with the show.

If they hadn't played Light My Fire in Greece, or the 3 songs in London, I still would have enjoyed the show.

BUT I WAS THERE. I witnessed 6 shows last year, and each and every one of them was amazing.

Go to the shows. Post about a show after having been there.

I'm tired of people posting about "boring setlists" on an updates page.

These are the times when I find myself agreeing with Axl on the "big garbage can" comment...

I love seeing GNR live and the choice of setlist is responsible for only a mere fraction of the total enjoyment.  I saw many shows in 06 and would see them again in 07 like a shot if I could, and I don't care whether it's the same setlist or not.  If you think I'm lying, then fine, but I can assure you I'm not.


I don't know your business credentials but I'll make an assumption here that Axl, with over 20 years experience in the music industry, would have a far better idea of what works and what doesn't with regard to staging a successful rock show.  And if you're talking 'common sense', then even my very limited knowledge of the music business would suggest to me that loading your set with songs unknown by almost all of your audience would be a stupid idea.  Quite apart from the fact that anything unheard in public before will be instantly spread over the internet - something that band may not wish for.

Bottom line is that you may think it's time for promotion of new material, but the band obviously has other ideas.  And seeing as how it's their material, I don't see that it's anyone's call but theirs as to when is the right time to release it.  But I think you can rest assured that when it is released, you'll see all the promotion you crave.

So your saying your indifferent as to whether or not the band rehearsed 10 or so other tracks and threw them into the mix? Nonsense. Obviously seeing them live is a massive buzz and to a certain extent it doesnt matter what they play... but the point is for the fans, seeing identical setlsits posted after every tour date gets a little disheartning. Especially when we've all heard some awesome new tracks.

I hope your right about the promotion... but I personally think its ridiculous to kick off the CHINESE DEMOCRACY TOUR without even playing the title track of the record.

All the band needs is a definative date for the record and a single. Then suddenly every tour date would be virtually sold out. Instead here we go again, another tour with nothing to promote it.

I'm happy with Mexican folk songs. I don't think they will be heard in Australia. Oh for the boots.  :drool:

Don't see then.

We? don't lie.

I'm rather sick of seeing the same old complaints.

those planktons and their pettiest complaints.
see when the set changes. they will still grumble about any petty thing. rumble on and on and on.

i still say that changing the song order at least would make it more cool for the fans - assuming they wont add new songs or even other unplayed old songs from their big catalogue for whatever reasons -? yeah, some people would still bash BUT a show with an unknown song order (exspecially the 4-5 songs in the beginning) gives more spontanous feeling, it cant hurt a thing, can it? not only for the "unpleased setlist-readers" but also for those who are "really goin to the shows".
and i remember very good that the unknown setlists was a big part of the gnr-rock-n-roll-coolness in the 90s, and hey, it worked out very very fine!!

and yes, i have been to several shows last year, too, also in the 90s.

Are you gonna say that the combination of Jungle, It's So Easy and Brownstone doesn't work?

If it aint't broke and all that....




/jarmo

i dont think hes saying it doesnt work or its broken. i think hes saying it would add more suspense and excitement at the shows if the songs and or the order of the songs were switched up. i totally agree with the poster. in the 90's they never used a setlist, they just played songs as they felt like and based off the vibe of the crowd...i went to over 50 shows in the 90's and that created a lot of excitment. ive been to over 40 new gnr shows and they were all great....just saying the poster has a valid point.

If you look at the setlists from the 90s, you'll notice that at first they were experimenting a lot more, but as the tour went on, they figured out what worked.

They still switch around and add songs.

Look at the 2006 setlists for proof.


It just depends on the mood.



/jarmo

exactly right. if you look at the setlists frm the 90's they were all over the place...different songs, different orders, etc.....those shows were amazing...most of the setlists from 06 and now 07 were mostly the same.....not even close to the variety/suspense of the 90's setlists....i think someone posted a quote of ax from a show in the 90's about setlists....about how they never use a setlist...they play songs based about how they feel at the moment and how he doesnt want people who travel to see them say "they played the same setlist in chicago."

I really can't see how switching the setlist around benefits the vast majority of the audience who have no idea in which order the songs were played the previous night anyway.  Jungle is an amazing opener; in my opinion far better that ISE or Nightrain, and I hope that they keep playing it, at least until the album is released.

When I'm watching a show, the experience is so intense that I'm not even thinking about the next song or the one after that, I'm just totally into whatever is going on onstage at that moment.  But, we're all different, so maybe I'm in the minority here...

It's like I said on another thread, I always listen to an album in the way the artist intended, i.e. using the same running order.  Just because I've played it hundreds of times and know what track is coming next, doesn't diminish the enjoyment I get from listening to it.  A live show is the same to me.  Care has to be taken in order to get the flow and balance of energy right when performing live and I think they've achieved that extremely well and don't see the need for change at this stage.

Going back to the shows of the '90s, I haven't got any setlists in front of me but suggest that some people might be looking at those days through somewhat rosy eyes.   From memory, I don't recall the setlists going through vast changes every night on the UK and European tours - they found what worked and, more or less, stuck with it.

 I don't think you're going to get Jarmo to say anything remotely critical about the set list, or GN'R in general at all. ?

Let me understand this.....

They are playing in a mostly non-English speaking country, to a crowd of people who have (most likely) not seen the band in the last year or so. ?They should play brand new music, so that the fans can hear songs they don't know in a language they (for the most part) can't understand.

I would think that these fans know the released tracks by heart, they know the words and know the beats. ?They want to hear what they love. ?When CD is released, then they could appreciate the new stuff ;D ?

^^ agree to "ibelieveinaxl"

want to add i am happy about every gnr show and the fans who are attending them. but when reading setlists i would feel more happy not only for me or the band but also for the fans within the show when they'd change the order some more at least, too. like....wow.....the Aussies got Nightrain as opener and SCOM as encore! some special show for them , cool!
and "you know where the f*** you are?" works perfect in a later part of the show, too!
jungle, easy, brownstone work, sure, but so did easy/nightrain/perfect crime as openers aswell.
and the first 3 (well actually its the first 4 with LALD being no4 mostly) are being played in that order since 2001...come on!

when the majority of fans @ a show has no idea about what songs being played.....the setlist doesnt matter (much) for them. but it does for some/for the die hards (and yes there are a lot people KNOWING the setlists/reading boards etc.) who actually spend the most money/time on gnr compared to the normal public. why not pleasing them aswell when others dont care? its easy to do at least with "changing the order" when not willing to add others from their catalogue (which is still some other weird issue - but lets leave that out), huh?

i'm trying hard  :hihi:

actually its only a discussion on a discussion board  :peace:

absolutely! ive been a die hard for over 20 years because of all the fun, excitement, and joy the band has brought to me. these board discussions are for fun and talking about the band we love. im not into fighting or arguing about the band we all love...thats not what discussions are about..we all can talk about and discuss band issues and just because we disagree doesnt mean we dont love the band....

l think its important to have some new songs and some old songs in the setlist cause hey, People pay to see G'N'R right? and G'N'R is who their gonna see ;)

Just keep posting Jim Bob's post because it makes the most sense.? I'm going to hit shows near me if able and buy a new c.d. when it comes out.? I also just re-bought AFD & UYI so I have it in both cars.? It's music and entertainment for us to enjoy and if we don't like it then we wouldn't buy or listen to it.? Should some one go on a message board and complain about how someone performs at their job?? Just let the pro's do what they do.? They have been doing ok for a long time.? I bet any amount that Axl could not do what I've done or what I'm doing now professionally.? Nor should He and the band care, unless it's for him personally.? I don't care how they do their thing as long as they are still out to entertain and if they stop, I'll continue on with my life.? Later..JMack..?

most casual fans see a show from a tour. they are more than 70% of the crowd at each show I assume.

If you are seeing a band only once, what kind of stelist would youu like them to play?

I don't think GN'R can ever make some of you happy.

Always something to whine about.


Thank God it's not 2005 anymore. Sometimes I wonder if some of you have noticed.....




/jarmo

why not taking advantage switching some song order for the other 30% too? they are the ones spending most of their money for gnr. and its EASY to do even without adding new songs. and they have so much illusion stuff left....those were the albums making gnr filling stadiums!

yeah, Jarmo. did you ever notice they could easily make more people happy?
you sound harsh like Beta in your posts for some months? :o

Where did you come up with these numbers?





Thanks!

That's a compliment right there. She says what's on her mind and I try to do the same.



Your complaints would've been the same in 1987 or 1993 or 2002. It doesn't matter.

We get it.

Do this, do that.

Forget what the band wants or the majority of the actual audiences enjoy. You didn't spend one cent on the Mexican shows, yet they should do what you tell them.



/jarmo

I think what everyone is forgetting is that there is a plan.  Axl said, himself, that he was basically trying to "retire" AFD with one last go around.  Guess what?  The band hasn't played Mexico, Oz, Japan, etc. recently, so consider these shows still part of the "AFD Retirement" tour.  I realize it's been called the CD Tour '07, but let's face it, they're only gonna change the setlist once they come back to those spots... 

these discussions are lame.

I dont mind the same setlist. I wish they played more new songs, but ah well... there's always the next tour.

what I would like to know, and hope the discussion goes that way is,

how come the band doesnt feel to need to shuffle the things a little bit, do some changes, try out diferent combinations, see what else they can do live,.... whatever?
after all, the setlist only had some minor changes ever since 010101.

yeah, the "winning horse" argument is fine... but isnt it also preferable to try and push the envelope, see if something can be done, better.
Where did the spontaneity go?

wining on the "favorite" is kinda anal. sometimes try and bet on the underdog.... I try and do that as much as possible, not bet on the winner, and not bother with it anymore.

the numbers were a reply from the post just aboe my last one:


"Harsh" is rarely a word used as a compliment, Jarmo, so I think you misunderstood. Bush also says what is on his mind and it doesn't make it smart either.

i'm not telling anyone what to do - not that this works for a band like gnr anyway- i'm only trying to point out that it easily could be made more cool without lots of work. i didn have the setlist complaints in the 90s. reason why i have now? the nearly-to-same 2001-2007 setlists! and i'm damn sure you and/or the majority of fans would enjoy setlist differs aswell. again i'm asking why not changing the setlist order some bigger when the "majority" doesnt care it - cause they get the songs for enjoying anyway?

Look at the setlists from 2006 and you'll notice that they do try things here and there.

Just because the first two shows haven't had any surprises doesn't meant none of the following ones will.




Maybe not for you.

I know it was supposed to be an insult, but it's ok. I already knew what you think of me. It shows in some of your posts. 

I couldn't care less.....  :)




Yeah, change things for the "30%" and what do you think the majority will say when they break out Dead Horse instead of Nightrain?






/jarmo

most likely the 70% wouldnt care much as they dont care setlists anyway (= wasnt that part of this discussion before?), they prolly would like it seeing Axl on acoustic guitar. and the 30% would love it? :-*

pick SCOM or KOHD or JUNGLE instead of NT and you'd have done fine, peace out and have fun in Japan? :peace:

Yeah, people don't care if they hear a song they know/love and hearing something unknown.

That makes sense.


Besides, the whole idea of having a band that plays whatever they wanna play instead of trying to please everybody must be weird to you.....

Even a band like Pearl Jam, who switches their setlists a lot, play whatever they want to.



Let's see what you say when GN'R has an album out and people are familiar with the new songs.....



Oh, and don't worry about me having fun. Just work on that jealousy issue you got.



/jarmo

Jesus, only two shows and we are already whining about the damn setlist? Why dont asking the mexican people who attended the show how they feel about the songs GNR played?

TWO SHOWS!!! In 2006 we had lots of surprises: Better/IRS played live almost all shows, 2 performances of TWAT, Izzy Stradlin, Kid Rock, Sebastian Bach, Lars Ulrich, Bubbles, Down On The Farm, Used To Love Her, Sway, Sailing, Back In ''the fucking'' UK, think about you, etc... and some sporadic performances of Rocket Queen, Chinese Democracy, Madagascar, etc.

They know what they're doing. They are not organizing concerts to give 100 people at an internet message board a more interesting night or something to discuss.

We should all worry if the exact same setlist is played at the 30th concert of the world tour, not at the second, in a country that has not seen GNR in 14 years!!

And dont forget that Bumblefoot performed ''la cucaracha, la cucaracha, ya no puede caminar''  :hihi:

actually i meant that for real with the fun. but you're incapable of having a discussion without pulling up that 'jealousy' issue. I'd rather focus on another word: 'integrity', Jarmo.

For somebody who keeps bringing up the Cuckoo show every once in a while....



Do you know what integrity is?

Is it about lying to others?

Is it saying something and doing the opposite?

Do you see me doing things to get more hits on this site? Many accuse me of doing the opposite. Yet you're questioning my integrity... Amusing.


Don't ever question my integrity.





/jarmo

 :rofl:

If you have to ask that question, then you need to take a look at the music scene better.

My question was rhetorical.

no it was stupid...

Yeh, you better look up rhetorical in the dictionary.
You walked into that one....

No, what was stupid was asking a rhetorical question on a message board.

Ok, I'll keep that in mind. Thankyou for your input.

you might want to write it down...better yet , get it tattooed ....

I'd stop whilst you are seemingly ahead......I've got better things to do like read concert updates........good thing you won't be able to trash the concert for me when I see it live!

should have just stopped then . yet you made another post.

STOP NOW.

By the way the Official title of the tour is:
Guns N' Roses- Chinese Democracy World Tour - A Late Night Rock N Roll Extravaganza.

No, it's really not the Chinese Democracy World Tour....

I think it's something the Australian promoter has named it, not the band.



/jarmo

I just like the:

"a late night rock n roll extravaganza bit"!!

 ;D

But it's also referred to as the Chinese Democracy World Tour on the band's official website. Did the Australian promoter have anything to do with that being there too?

Metallex78! when you see the show you'll have no problem with what the tour is called.....

Stolat that is beside the point but this topic has been dead for 2 weeks. Let it die in piece now. We have seen now that Axl has heeded our call to play more CD songs on the Aussie tour. I will be going to the first of 3 shows tonight and I plan to go nuts!!

Go bunta dude!!!!!!  :hihi:

I don't have any problem with what the tour is called, and I'm REALLY looking forward to this weekend regardless. I'm just confused at Jarmo pointing it out that it isn't the CD World Tour when several sources say that it is, including the bands official site.

Well, its not the CD as in compact disc tour because that hasn't been released yet.... :rofl:

Just reporting what I was told. Either you believe me or you don't.

I'm telling you the truth. If you can't just accept that and want to argue, go ahead.



/jarmo

If you've been told from your "official" sources that it's not the Chinese Democracy World Tour, then why don't they fix it on their "official" site so it doesn't say that? If they did that then maybe I'll stop arguing with you... maybe... :hihi:

who cares what the name of the tour is. 

whether its Chinese Democracy tour or GnR's Greatest Hits Tour or the 2007 World Tour or AFD 20th Anniversary tour or whatever, 

its a great fucking show.

Jarmo obviously does, because he keeps pointing out to me what it isn't called. :hihi:

Just getting the story straight.  : ok:




/jarmo

This is not the Chinese Democracy World Tour? Don't play the "new" songs, that' so obvious.? ::) Who needs the new songs if everybody wants to see the "Old stuff? played by someone else tour " Or the "Unnamed tour 2007"? ::)
People wants listen to AFD, see their hero performing the snakedance and do the the aussi aussi thing.Forever. The important thing is that the chinese democray world tour will never take place..oh, wait...maybe I'd rather say "take place again".


C'mon guys, i'm trying to be hilarious,and honestly you're talkin' about nothin'...

And now, let me understand what's the difference between "chinese democracy tour 2002-2003"/? 2006" and "no chinese democracy tour 2007", if not only a try to get more excuses to delay Cd? You know, things like "This is not the chinese democracy tour, what would you expected from this band?New songs you've never heard before? Ahahah that sounds funny" makes me really really sad.

the promoter is told by a band what the name of the tour is. if it says "cd world tour," thats from the band,  not the promoter.....

Not according to Jarmo : ok:

At least the band are now playing a few new songs which goes some of the way to justifying promoting it as the Chinese Democracy World Tour 2007. It goes without saying that it would have been better just calling it a World Tour. They are not promoting an album and they are not even intrudicing the new songs to a mostly unsuspecting crowd. Very strange approach???

After seeing the 2 Brisbane concerts I can honestly say that it is a great show and I am glad they mostly play old stuff because most people dont have a clue about the new shit. But had they have released the fucking album that wouldn't be the case.

Regardless of all that it will always puzzle me as to why the have named the Mexican and Australian shows after an album which to date doesn't officially exist (if you know what I mean?)

Stop the Carousel man! I want to get off!  :confused:

Source?


How come it's only the Australian promoter who does it?





/jarmo

here's the new zealand pr...
The Return of Guns n' Roses
Believe the hype. Guns N? Roses are back. The Chinese Democracy World Tour and another awesome moment in musical history is upon us. Sit down, strap in and hold on? it?s gonna be one hell of a ride.

After 14 years, the biggest and baddest band in the world, the rock?n?roll machine known as Guns N? Roses, is set to return to New Zealand shores in June as part of their mammoth Chinese Democracy World Tour.

This will be the first time New Zealand audiences have seen the band since their legendary 1993 performances at Mt Smart Stadium (52,000 tickets sold). Guns N? Roses will play just one show in Auckland on Friday 29 June at the new Vector Arena; there will be no other New Zealand dates. Tickets go on sale Monday 30 April.

2006 saw Guns N? Roses perform over 70 concerts all over the world to rave reviews. With the release of the highly anticipated and long awaited Chinese Democracy album imminent, 2007 promises to be the time that Guns N? Roses reclaim their throne as the world?s most dangerous band. Lead vocalist W. Axl Rose, guitarists Robin Finck, Ron ?Bumblefoot? Thal and Richard Fortus, bassist Tommy Stinson, keyboard players Dizzy Reed and Chris Pitman, and drummer Frank Ferrer are a rock n? roll spectacular that have to be experienced to be believed.

Guns N? Roses special guests for the show will be none other than former Skid Row singer, the irrepressible SEBASTIAN BACH and Australia?s ROSE TATTOO.

Skid Row were the main support act for the legendary Mt Smart performance, and since then Bach has remained in the public eye through a series of acclaimed musical roles, a part in the popular television series Gilmore Girls, and more recently, his controversial appearances in the reality TV show Supergroup. The vocalist did a world tour last year to packed out shows, and with his new band in tow, Bach promises to deliver the goods all over again.

ROSE TATTOO fronted by legendary Aussie Rocker ?Angry Anderson? are back after recently finishing their sell-out ?BLOOD BROTHERS? tour of Europe. The Tatts are set to rip it up onstage once again.

Tickets go on sale 9am Monday 30th April at Ticketmaster or ph 09 970 9700.

FOR FURTHER TOUR INFORMATION: www.dcegroup.com

MEDIA ENQUIRIES: ANGELA MACE @ BEAT COMMUNICATIONS
Ph: (09) 361 2327
Mob: 0275 867 980
angela.mace@beat.net.nz

here's japan....

DATE: Monday, 10 April 2007
TITLE: Guns N' Roses - Asian Tour * SOLD OUT *
TEXT:
The legendary rock band that made a name for itself with its bestelling albums in the 90's is back on stage for its latest world tour, The Chinese Democracy World Tour. An event not to miss for their fans in the region.

http://www.mosaicodiffusion.com/event.php?IdEvent=4830&lang=2&FlagPass=1

You said the band had told the promoter. I asked for proof of that.

I suspect the New Zealand shows are promoted by the same company as the Australian shows.

Dainty Consolidated Entertainment.



I don't know how you put mosaicodiffusion.com together with the Japanese shows. Maybe you Googled the date and the phrase, but the Japanese promoter's GN'R info is here: http://www.creativeman.co.jp/2007/GNR_special/index.html



I guess you think I'd make shit up just to argue about it with you.....




/jarmo

listen- i can understand that you are upset that they called it the "Chinese Democracy Tour" because most of the set is from appetite and i agree. the point is, the tour is being called the "chinese democracy tour" and it shouldnt be because 80-85% of the setlist is old stuff. oh , and btw, the promoter for australia and new zealand are different. and yes, i do think you like to make up stuff to challenege me for some reason. i dont get it. we are all fans here, no need for one-upping one another...that does nothing and i have much better things to do....

Ok, that's all I need to know about you.



I'm not upset. I'm just telling you how it is and you refuse to believe me because apparently I lie all the time.

Yet nothing you've said here can be backed up by facts. For example you say the promoters are different yet you can't show me the proof.

The Vector Arena web site mention the DCE Group. Dainty Consolidated Entertainment?



It's quite apparent that you refuse to believe me for some reason and you keep arguing for the sake of arguing.

Have fun with that, I'll go back to "making shit up".  ::)



/jarmo