Here Today... Gone To Hell!

The show has started.

Since the old threads were 99% off topic discussions, I started a new one.


Soundcheck: Jungle, Madagascar, Easy, Brownstone...



Set: Welcome To The Jungle, It's So Easy, Mr. Brownstone, Live And Let Die, Robin Guitar Solo/Jam with Frank and Dizzy, Sweet Child O' Mine, Better, Knockin' On Heaven's Door, You Could Be Mine, Dizzy Piano Solo (Angie), The Blues, Richard & Robin Guitar Duet, Out Ta Get Me, Jam, November Rain, IRS, Ron Guitar Solo (Don't Cry), My Michelle, Patience, Nightrain

Paradise City



Updates are sent by gnrpatience to leatherrebel about every five songs or so.

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Pics from HBK:

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Trailers Of GUNS N' ROSES:

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/jarmo

Fresh and clean........

Jarmo saves the day again ! Thats why this site is #1 ! Credible posting  :beer:

Finck solo same as last year....w/ Frank

Thanks for clearing this up. Who is providing the real updates from here?

Thank you, Axl

Show started around 12:45am


* updates thanks to gnrpatience

That's what I just got . . .

nice, i wonder what the 5th song will be

Good that it has started and no riots!

Please, stop ruining the thread!!!!  :(

i bet next is finck solo and directly into better

Thanks for clearing that up!

Now everyone can relax and have a good time!!

cool , now we can sit back and just enjoy!

Is the show still running? What is the hour in Mexico?

thanks for the update. ?Glad the show finially went on :beer:

Can someone update, I know this is trivial, but what does Axl look like? '06 Axl or did he go and change again? Hair?

Apparently KOHD has just been played.

Jungle
Easy
Brownstone
LALD
Robin solo

Sweet Child
Better
KOHD
YCBM  (BBF took a sign from audience but not gnrpatience's :( )




* these updates thanks to gnrpatience

Update:

Great crowd.

The place is packed.

Almost done with You Could Be Mine




/jarmo

thank you
it's happen again,it's happen again

Jarmo, to clarify, are you there yourself tonight?

No, I'm here.

In sunny Sweden....  :hihi:




/jarmo

Aw, I wasn't sure but then I thought you were updating us yourself. Fair enough, I'm home, too  :beer:

Hopefully KOHD is the newest new version we've been hearing about...other than that looks like the usual old school GN'R hits sprinkled with a few new ones....COME TO THE U.S.!

Goodnight all. Thanks for the updates. Looking forward to reading tomorrow morning!

Where did you got this ?! ::)

Jungle
Easy
Brownstone
LALD
Robin solo

Sweet Child
Better
KOHD
YCBM

Dizzy solo (Angie)
The Blues



* these updates thanks to gnrpatience

Thank you very much gnrpatience, leatherebel and Jarmo for the updates !

It's amazing to wake up here in EU and see that the show is still on :yes: :rofl:

Well, I'll be following from home drinking my coffee :hihi:

great updates guys thx from the bomb

did you really have to quote the pics too?

Jungle
Easy
Brownstone
LALD
Robin solo
Sweet Child
Better
KOHD
YCBM
Dizzy solo (Angie)
The Blues

Richard/Robin solo
OTGM
NR
IRS
BBF solo (+ Don't Cry)


* these updates thanks to gnrpatience

Axl held up a sign (apparently thrown by the audience) saying "Axl, fuck me"..... :P

Sounds like they're having some fun!!

Thanks Jarmo

sounds liek fun time indeed!.
 : ok: :yes:

yes i agree

Surreal to be sitting here on another continent, sipping my espresso, morning birds are chirping and GNR are kicking ass into the night somewhere..

I'm really thrilled about the setlist and how 18,000 people are now getting a kick-ass show with a killer setlist. The majority of whom haven't seen GNR in 15 years.

 :peace:

RF

So, um, its still going on, right?  It'd be pretty disappointing to end the show on a bumblefoot solo.  No disrespect to the guy.

Also, any sight of izzy? 

first videos from tonights show at


www.newgnr.com/newgnr.html



report: looks like Frank is drumming this year , well at least for this concert... he was

damn the crowd just erupted in jungle. if i was still on my vacation i would of gone to this show. you can hear a Mexican say welcome to the jungle in spanish  :hihi:

Jungle
Easy
Brownstone
LALD
Robin solo
Sweet Child
Better
KOHD
YCBM
Dizzy solo (Angie)
The Blues
Richard/Robin solo
OTGM
NR
IRS
BBF solo (+ Don't Cry)

My Michelle
Patience
Nightrain

Paradise City

Good night



* these updates thanks to gnrpatience

Is that the 1986 version of "Good Night"? Cos that would be cool  : ok:

No CD or Maddy? Damn.

i think thats just directly from LR telling us good night hehe

Thanks for the updates, all concerned.  Looks like it was a great show! 

I think the encore was cut short because they started late....and don't forget there's another show tonight 500 miles away. They did do Madagascar during soundcheck, so it looks like it was planned for the encore.

I don't have a confirmation that RQ was played as some other sources say. That doesn't mean it wasn't - I am just reporting what I received. We'll find out soon.

Again, all these updates thanks to gnrpatience. He's travelling to the next show today, so not sure when he can post a review and pics.

Thanks leatherebel and gnrpatience...looking forward to the pics. :yes:

Thank you very much, Leatherrebel and to GNRPatience for keeping us involved!

thank you yes for the updates, was much appreciated!

One last update/clarification that just woke me up: RQ was NOT played. The setlist above seems to be the correct one and gnrpatience was the most accurate and consistent source of the night ?: ok:

LR, im surprised you weren't there, seeing as you traveled just about all over the world to see GNR

Thanks leatherebel and gnrpatience-...

 :beer:

HBK *

Hmm, not a bad set, but I'd really like to hear (at the Sydney shows), from the new songs, ChiDem and Maddy. I've loved them since we first heard them, so I'd love to have the chance to hear the band play them. I'm going to both shows, so hopefully I'll hear them at one of them!
Good to see the '07 tour get off to a good start (apart for the long wait)- hopefully it'll be an awesome one!

A BIG Thanks to everyone that kept us updated here :beer: :beer:

any pics are highly appreciated and anticipated :beer:

thanks v much for the updates you guys - great going.  its brilliant to read about Gn'R live again!
 :peace:

It's great to see them around again. Thanks for the update, you are GNR fans for real.
For everybody else that are still vomiting their fuckin' utopia: read the title of the topic please! 

to back up what i said earlier, heres a video clip. All the people that have problems with the set, pay attention at 48 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUhSa1_Cmu0

It's probably more due to the fact that GN'R is a victim of its own success. They have so many songs from previous albums that fans at that show wanna hear. WTTJ, ISO, Brownstone, Nightrain, KOHD, LALD, SCOM, YCBM etc etc.

Just need to wait for the album to drop then the show will freshen up.

And give our South American, Asian and Australasian friends sample this show, cos it fucking rocks!

so was tommy there?

and frank was on drums?

how did they sound?

and how did they look?
did axl look the same?

Did Axl say anything of interest between the songs?  Any rants, commentaries, etc? 

We'll have to wait for our fellow gunners in Mexico to wake up to have some pics from the show I think, so probably in the next couple of hours. :)

excelent, cheers will.

cool Will : ok:

has anyone heard of it been filmed? (not crappy phone cameras)

if it has, il make a return to making some bootleg dvd covers for everyone, since this is the first show of 2007 :)

it will take a couple of days tho, because im going to give photographers from the show chance to upload some real nice photos to use on the artwork :) as usual.


edit:

il just point out, im not expecting it to be filmed and put on the internet today. it was a question to see whether it will be worth while making a cover or not. so if anyone can confirm this, then cheers!

thanks for the updates people! can't wait for tonight and more images of last night  : ok: I stayed up until 10am, then I had to give up and go to bed  :hihi:

I don't give a damn about setlists, hell I'd go see them if they were just playing Mary had a little lamb for 2 hours  ;)

Hey guys, are there any more pictures from the concert?

i would love to see them.were there any parties afterwards ?

Will suggested that there will probably be some in a couple of hours from now, when the people who went to the show wake up :) hehe.

obviously, it depends if they want to share photos lol. im sure we'l see some very soon :beer:

Thanks for the updates gnrpatience and leatherebel for passing them.

Just want to add my thanks to gnrpatience and leatherebel for the updates throughout the show; it's very much appreciated, guys.   : ok:

some pre-show pics

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The REVIEWS Come, Adelant:

- People Booed, were desperate because the Show did not begin, it down came with the Intro de Welcome and Robin In Scene? The Sand EXPLODES.

- Axl in general with an excellent voice, in LALD mostro that it still has much to give with his voice, is spectacular

- BETTER, I kick Asses? Single and the Voice of AXL, Fantastic.

- The Single one of Robin Finck, PHENOMENAL!

- FRankiE prendia TO I publish in the Pauses from the Battery.

- KHOD was impressive! - The Blues, Precisosa, Finck is a Teacher, Axl with excellent voice, outro fantastic, is incredible what it feels.

- The End of NR, Hallucinating! - IRS Suena Pateaculos, the single one of Rum was a little but extended.

- 2R I do not touch BEATIFUL, But New a SINGLE one.

- Don't Cry on the part of BBFT was fantastic, all people the song!

- All the subjects were very well received, much people not conocia Better, The Blues and IRS but enchantment, sound pateaculos live to them.

- Paradise phenomenal City, single the simply huge one, the voice of precious Axl, everything was I magnify.

HBK *

WHAT IN THE FLYING FUCK?!! :rofl: :hihi:

I hope everyone understands when he writes "single", he actually means "solo" as "the solo in Better" and so on...;)

Thanks HBK!

The guy who wrote that review must have been high. I was there, and you couldnt even fucking hear axl's voice, let alone the live and let die outro. ?The concert wasnt as great as that guy tries to make it sound

No, unfortunately I have not seen them outside the US......travel restrictions ?:(...but I hope I will some day.


People, please don't thank me. All thanks should go to gnrpatience who was kind and sharp enough to send us accurate and timely updates from the pit of a very electric venue - this is not an easy job at all..

OK. Thanks for You Info.

 8)

HBK *

Sounds like it was a kickass show, thanks for the info HBK. If you or your friends have pictures from the show, email them to me at shawn@breakdownwebdesign.com and I'll include them in the 2007 tour photo gallery I'm creating.

Maybe while you were busy checking out the guys' looks, somebody actually listened?  :P


The sound isn't the same all over the arena, as far as I can tell from the shows I've been to.



/jarmo

Thanks gnrpatience and HBK and everyone else who sends us these updates and pics and reviews and everything!!!   :beer:


We really do appreciate you taking the time to post them here for us.  That's not an easy job either.  : ok:

dude, they're so going to ban you.

Actually i was checking out a guy who looked exactly the same as will ferrell.

Photos and videos coming tomorrow, BTW.

Thanks to leatherebel and gnrpatience for updates!  You guys rock!

I guess superloconoriega was surrounded by loud crowds. Thanks for the pics and the reports, HBK.

WTTJ: Finck enters challenging scene? some that quedar?n lost in the time were asked if it were Slash?.but soon olvidar?n to the Hudson ....... Axl entered and with its well-known the Sand shouted fire...

Easy: There is no truce?.the Sand vibrates and sings gunto with Axl?.the people of the distant part but sing and even jump.

Mr.Brownstone: Excellent the interpretation? incredible to have to Axl to meters contoneando itself with its well-known dances? Fortus approaches fans and touches them in front of...

LALD: All tararea world the song so hard was sometimes the sound that I nor listened to my same. .los fireworks aki were excellent?.good single of Finck and Frank withdrawing in the bataca? and the heartrendering shouts of Axl they hacian to me to doubt if it were happening all this or it were dreaming it..

Solo Robin: Magnificent single of Finck?.here one gained the affection and the affection of people?.hallucinatingly everything is given and it does very well?.And discovered that without the single ones who knows if they really fan she would hold so many emotions ..... it is as a pause to take hold air, not only for Axl if it does not stop they fan tmb because it is emotion after emotion.

Sweet Child: Pegadito with the single Robin gives intro of SCOM the Sand him shakes and sings, not if it is so that it was seeing it live? but Axl sounded better than ever. .con a strong and solid voice, always stand out the shouts and the acute tones of his voice?.but now aside I listened to its serious very powerful ones and firm ..... aki tmb is necessary to emphasize the single one of means of excellent Finck!

Better: A little calm stops most of people, some if sabiamos us the rola I realized here that already almost could not sing and hardly the synchronous band was the beginning? perfectly?.the single one of Rum is excellent something under good volume but?.and that to say of the one of Robin? very been accustomed to this live canc?n so good as in study? people I hope it observed and it applauded at the end of the same one...

Cooming Soon More review... Thankz Fans IGORVOLADOR2, from mexico.

HBK *

It would have been better if you gave us the original spanish translation so we could figure it out for ourselves.

same old boring seltlist....change it around for gods sake.

i hope the fans enjoyed the show, but it seems to me they got ripped off. a short set list, late start time, and only 14 originals!!!!! no maddy or cd??? play the new stuff, ax the covers, the new stuff is great.....move on...just like ax said, "i want to bury appetite." listen, i love appetite..but its time for a new chapter after 20 years...

Me too am sick of those same old boring complains.

anyways, @HBK Thanks again but like Robman said,  if you could post IGORVOLADOR2 's original review in spanish as well, it would be more helpful.

As there're quite a few spanish speakers in this place.

GUNS N' ROSES - Mexico Tour 1993:

Jungle,
Mr. Brownstone,
Live And Let Die,
The Garden,
Yesterdays,
Attitude,
So Fine,
Double Talkin' Jive,
You Ain't The First,
You're Crazy,
Used To Love Her,
Patience [w/ Imagine],
Knockin' On Heaven's Door,
November Rain,
Dead Horse,
Drum Solo,
Guitar Solo, Since I Don't Have You [Intro] / Sweet Child O' Mine,
Mother [Intro] / Paradise City

GUNS N' ROSES - Mexico Tour 2007:

Jungle
Easy
Brownstone
LALD
Robin solo
Sweet Child
Better
KOHD
YCBM
Dizzy solo (Angie)
The Blues
Richard/Robin solo
OTGM
NR
IRS
BBF solo (+ Don't Cry)

My Michelle
Patience
Nightrain

Paradise City

***

Not Changes ??? ajajjaja  8)

HBK *

Ahem, he does the banning around here.

Did you notice that in 1993 they played more covers?

The shows didn't start at 9PM back then either....



We've been ripped off for years.  :crying:



For fuck's sake, they're not playing the shows for us at home. They cut one song out of the encore and it's like the end of the world.

Some shows are a bit shorter, some are longer. That's how it is.





/jarmo

i dont think there is a need to start using profanity. i gave my opinion, thats it. you can agree or disagree...no problem. but just because you disagree with someone's opinion doesnt give you the right to go on ranting with profanity...i just thought (and so did many people at the show last night) that the wait was way too long (12:45 am!) and they felt the set list was cut short....thats all im saying....ive been to over 100 shows over the past 20 years and i will continue to go to as many as i can....im not attacking the band i love...im just giving my observation of one show last night.

Tell that to Axl since you believe in it so strongly.

He said ONCE "for fuck's sake".

For fuck's sake, get over it...

Thanks HBK. ?When you mention "sand, " what does that mean?

I say one thing and one thing only......at least Axl showed up and/or nothing happened to prevent the show. So with that, it looks like things are still going to keep moving wherever they move.

another very mature response...

I don't know, but maybe floor?

*anxiously awaits pics*

Whew! ?I'll second that. ?And at least we won't get so nervous next time if 12:45 rolls around and they're still not on stage

Your posts are very mature.

You claim you support the band, but you want them to fit your needs. It doesn't matter that 15000 people are having the time of their lives, you want the band to play songs for you. And you weren't even there!

What exactly are you supporting? A band that fits your needs or a band that does what they think is right?


I pointed out how Axl's doing what he's been doing since day one. He's gonna give the best show he can.

You on the other hand will find anything to complain about, even though it has nothing to do with you.

Thousands of fans are probably feeling happy this morning after seeing GN'R for the first time since 1993 (or ever for some fans), but that's not good enough for some of you who sit behind a keyboard in another country.....




/jarmo

I saw GNR 3 times.  Everytime they played practically the same setlist, but I never once left being like well that sucked.  Every time was awesome, see Tommy's quote if anyone has any complaints

"What exactly are you supporting? A band that fits your needs or a band that does what they think is right?"

How can you possibly justify that what they are doing is because they feel they are doing the right thing? this is now the 4th fucking tour that has been self proclaimed "the chinese democracy world tour". that is blatent false advertising for two reasons:
1-a fan who wants to hear new material would think that due to the title they will hear new stuff (and more than 3-5 songs)
2-when they don't actually play said title song, and therefore how can you call it the Chidem world tour?

This band has become a joke

is there any pics and reviews yet??

Funny, same setlist, but same crybabies too........ :hihi:

Feel free to fuck off then.  : ok:



Exactly. Who's surprised?



/jarmo

did you actualy think they were going to change the setlist??

basically the 02' tour was to keep the band intact and it was only a short Europe jaunt and 15 us shows ( i believe)

this is a world tour before the album releases and more than likely a world tour after the album releases.. different legs and in different times.. they needed time off to finish the record and they should be done or finishing what they need finished.

I believe this may be the final stretch as theres not many countries left to play in... :hihi: a strategy some may not get..but i'll bet it has something to do with $$$$

Ok, what I don't get is why do there have to be alot of new songs?
At the show here last year, every time they played a new song, the arena went quiet, because unlike us, most of the people there don't come to boards and haven't a clue about leaks. Most of the people I spoke with there said they came because they used to like GN'R when they were younger and wanted to relive it and see them live.
IMO playing the old, familiar & loved songs is good, it's what people know and what is dear to them, and to us all.
Best thing (after these gigs) would be to release, let the new songs become familiar with most people and then start playing them in the shows and a few less of the old.
I was pretty much the only one singing along to the new songs in '06, everyone around me sat down and just listened.

 :peace:

sand is the translation for the word ARENA...? u know the sand on the beach.. but in this case is the arena ,, the venue? :P

Where are the reviews? ?I think it's important for us to hear from someone that actually attended the show to get the thoughts & feelings of the mexicans

One thing I know for sure ... they're just gonna start playing more songs of Chinese Democracy when the CD is released, because otherwise we would know "all" the songs of the CD and there would be no surprise at all. And i don't remember who, but someone in the band said they were only playing Better, IRS and TWAT because they leaked... so, forget about new songs on these leg of the tour!

However ... i think we DO need to discuss about the setlist... OF COURSE, i would be pleased to see a Guns N' Roses show with this exact songs... i would fuckin' go nuts! I wouldn't complain at all ... But hey, why they don't play "new old" songs, like Civil War, Perfect Crime (that was on possible songs setlist) and Estranged? Why?? It would be even BETTER! It would be a great surprise to the fans that are following this new GN'R since 2001 !

I guess a lot of people here don't understand why they don't do that, including myself, and that's it... we don't need to bash these guys ... they love GN'R just as you do !

 remember its usually the poeple who DONT go to the shows who actually complain bout the setlists. 


the poeple who DO go DONT complain   :yes:

For your information: i saw them at Rock in Rio 3 and didn't see them since then because i cannot aford to travel to another country just to see them... if I could, I would, you can bet that...

It makes perfect sense to most people that you don't want to ruin the surprise by playing a lot of new songs at this point.

Especially when we haven't heard those songs.






/jarmo

In this matter, i totally agree with the band's choice! I can't wait to hear the album with a bunch of new songs...

I can't understand the notion some of you are convinced of that states that GNR MUST play new, as of yet unheard songs....Hell, when ANY band actually releases an album, they play at most 5 songs from a new record, if not less

No, I'm sorry, but the the joke is on anyone naive enough to believe the band would play any additional new tracks off the album before it's released.  I mean come on, if you're a regular reader of GNR messageboards, then you really should know the score (and this includes any timing issues!).  On the other hand, if you're not quite such a devoted follower, then you're more than likely going to want to hear the classics; which is what you got.

I don't know how many more times we're going to go round this particular mulberry bush on show threads but it's getting bloody annoying to keep logging on for updates only to find whinging from people not even at the show.

As for the title of the tour, how can it possibly be false advertising when they are indeed playing songs off the forthcoming album.  Just because they don't play enough for you, is neither here nor there.  The last leg of the Illusions tour was called the Skin 'n' Bones tour but I don't know of anyone feeling let down because there wasn't a song of that name in the set.

As to why they're not playing some of the other songs from UYI, I expect Axl has his reasons and, as he is the person who has to sing them, I think we should respect that decision.  I'm not saying that people shouldn't express the hope that their particular favourite is added to the set, but just that there's no justification for throwing a strop when it fails to materialise. 

?as strange as it sounds, ?we actually benefit from not hearing these songs live first. ?

the album will sound new and fresh to us this way. ?

 plus a setlist with wttj, scom, pc, iso, better and brownstone is good enough to entertain Her Majesty any day ?:yes:

I can't understand the logic of people that say they need to play a whole bunch of new songs. ?How many die hard fans do you think were at tht show in Mexico and said we got screwed because they didn't play more songs from the new CD? ?I would guess not many. ?It is the bands discression about what to play. ?Get over it. ?if you didn't go to the show quit nitching about the setlist. ?You don't know how the show went over, and how the band sounded. ?Judging a show based on what songs are listed on a setlist and the time they went on is pointless. ?That gives yo no indication of how it sounded or the feel of the show.

bah I'm tired of those assholes who always complain about the setlist blah blah blah
metallica toured with the same setlist year after year (91-93) and what? ppl like what they do on stage, and btw they can play whatever they fucking want.
Gr8 show and hope that they will remain in that setlist for about 10-50 dates just to piss some fuckin morons off here.

I remember back in the 91 when GNR started to play a bunch of new songs (UYI songs) and ppl constantly refrain about their setlist "by not to play their appetite classics" bah fuck off, go and enjoy them live as long as you can.

According to the set list from last night, they DID play 3 new songs! "IRS", "Better", and "The Blues" were never played on any previous Mexican tours before. ?

i wonder how many poeple at the show last night have actually heard ''better'',''irs'' or ''the blues''. ? i bet them 3 songs were new to about 80% of the crowd.

remember we aint all ''downloadin muthafukers'' ?ye know ?:hihi:

If the band goes on late people drink more. less likely to know sutle mistakes made by the band. Spend more money. Honestly ,The real reason chin democracy isn't out isn't because the albums not done. It's because there is going to be new technology introduced so no one will be able to burn copies. One way or another when the technology arrives so does the tunes. until then we might never get an album.

What versions of Better and IRS were played?? Are they playing the more rock oriented versions of old or the newer leaked versions with more synthesizer in them?

Also, and I said this in a post that someone deleted for no reason, I think it is real bad news that Axl didn't mention the album once.? If they were done mixing and mastering then he would certainly want to promote his finished product.? I think we can conclude that the band went on tour before the mixing was done and that they are far enough away from a release that they figurede they might as well tour before finishing it.? The setlist hasn't changed in 15 months, but who cares?? The real problem I see is that they didn't mention the album at all.

IMO, I just don't think they would make any announcements in Mexico

What about Prostitute and If The World? They both were listed in that paper setlist as ''options''.

Maybe because the album was supposed to be released before the end of 2006.

The same versions that I have heard in bootlegs and the Rock Am Ring show.


I was hoping for an album announcement or something too, but well, the show rocked and I think that it's the thing that 98% of the people there cared.

actually, the band guns n roses does not agree with your statement at all. look at what they actually played and when they played it. if you know the bands history, then you know that Use Your Illusions came out on sept 17, 1991. Nine months earlier on january 21, 1991 , gnr played rock in rio 2. Here was the setlist: Pretty Tied Up (unreleased), Brownstone, patience, double talkin' jive (unreleased) jungle, knockin, you could be mine (unreleased), easy, civil war, dead horse (unreleased), sweet, estranged (unreleased), paradise...if anything, playing the unreleased material fueled the fire for the new album and was very exciting to hear. i remember saying i cant wait until i hear these songs on the album when it comes out......rio 2 (first night) was one of the best shows they ever played...anyone else remember that one?

Back then you didn't worry about bootlegs spreading like a wildfire over the internet.

As I said, in 1991 they knew they were gonna release 30 new songs.

If you play 5-6 new songs, it's about 1/5 of the total number of songs.

Now, if they play five new songs today out of maybe 15-18 that's gonna be on Chinese Democracy, that's about 1/3 or 1/4.



The fact that you claim to know what "the band Guns N' Roses" agrees with or not is kinda pointless.


In 1991 fans who weren't in Rio weren't whining about the setlists at home in USA.

Times change.


Today many bands who have just released new albums only play a few of the new songs and the rest are old ones. It's not uncommon at all.





/jarmo

bootlegs of this show was all over the place...audio and video....not by the web, but by regular mail....we all got it....

So you're saying the Internet hasn't had any effect on the bootleg trading world?

Please.



/jarmo

im not complaining at all...my post was a response to your statement that the band doesnt want to play unreleased material before the album comes out.....

5?

Better(unreleased), IRS(unreleased), the blues(unreleased), Madagascar(unreleased), cd,(unreleased) etc...

Yeah, and I mentioned why I think they might not want to play more new songs at this point.

It's not 1991 anymore.





Yeah, exactly.

Isn't it funny how things were sooo much better when they played a lot of unreleased songs?

Oh wait, maybe they didn't!




/jarmo

Let's not forget the band has already played EIGHT unreleased songs since they started re-touring in 2001.? Probably 6 of them will make the final cut.? Damn, how many more unreleased songs do you wanna hear before a SINGLE Disc album comes out???

i think most people want a tour that showcases the actual album with old classic sprinkled in...

most fans i think want them to release the album before touring

they are still alive because of that fucking internet.

Johan

again, your facts are wrong. almost every track (not all) was played on tour before the records were released....go check out the setlists from 1/1991-9/1991....almost every track on illusions was played and those shows were magic...i attended over 50 of them...it was so great to hear the new tracks live before the album came out...and just to be clear....so you dont get confused....this is music....i love it and its all about fun....im happy people enjoyed the shows that they attended....every post jarmo makes is so biased and if someone disagrees with him, he starts ranting and pulling out facts that are not true...he is welcome to disagree because isnt this a site where we all can discuss all points of views even if we dont all agree on something?

i think the biggest difference and maybe the reason why they dont play more or all the new songs like they used to is soley because of the internet .....back in the day songs didnt spread like the do now....I rather them not play the new material until they release the album.....

does anybody could get some pics? I mean of Axl?, does he has a new look ( : ok:)?

Any pictures surface from last night yet?

I dont understand why people think they should play more unreleased songs..
Whats the point when there still is no new album? 98% of the people goes to this
concert to listen to Scom, Wttj, ise, browstone, paradisec. etc etc..
When the album is released.. yeah, they will play more new song, and also maybe
switch the setlist. But for now, thats not a good move at all.

Imagine, Metallica touring before St. Anger, and play most st anger tunes.. would not make
any sence..

When people attend a concert, they are there to listen to the released stuff they have listened to
through Appetite and Illusion. And who knows? Maybe you guys wont like Prostitute, If The World
att all. We all want Chinese Democracy to come ut! But remember why you are a GNR fan! Because
of the setlist they are currently playing. Im so happy to have been to GNR concerts where they have
played the classic stuff. The setlist may get very changed when CD is out..

The fact that I said that they knew they had new albums with 30 songs coming out is wrong?

The fact that they were on their first headlining tour is wrong?

The fact that it's not 1991 anymore and the Internet is around is wrong?


You were proven wrong about your perfect example of how they played a bunch of new songs at Rock In Rio 2 in January 1991. They played five (5) new songs. Out of 30 that are on the UYI albums.


You check the setlists yourself and notice that once they knew what worked, the sets were pretty much the same (especially in 1992).

Certain songs disappeared from the sets and some were added.




/jarmo

I rather them to sell those recordings they make from each show.
That would put a end to all those tapers, make a lot of fan's happy, and bring in some money.

dude, you're wrong again. i said the 1991 setlists..go check em out....they played almost every Illusion track on tour before the cd's came out...and in rio 2, it was actually 6 new songs out of the 13 total songs....and remember it was a short set because it was a festival....thats where i said you were wrong...oh yeah, i agree with you that the internet wasnt around in 1991 and also it was their first headlining tour....i think most of us know that, but yes, i agree with you on that...

Ok, so in 1991 when they had 30 songs to choose from from two new albums that they knew were coming out within a few months they played a bunch of new songs.

That was a time when they wanted to prove that they were about more than just one album.

How does that compare to 2007? They've already proved that they had more great songs than just the ones Appetite.

But the fact is, AFD is their most well-known album.


Ask casual fans which song they know better, Out Ta Get Me or Locomotive.....



You can keep comparing all you want, but your comparisons are just pointless because it's a different time.





/jarmo

i would think most fans would want the disc out before another tour, there's only so many tours they can do w/o the disc before it gets a little ridiculous.

hey, i agree with you. thats EXACTLY the point. Illusions came out to, as axl said himself, to "bury appetite." and yes, to prove that they werent about just one album and they played almost every track off of illusions live before the cd's came out..almost every one!...totally, i agree 100%. but just because its a different time does not mean that the same reasoning can not apply. It totally does!!! This version of gnr is so much more than appetite and illusions! the new material blows the old stuff away. all they need to do is go out there and play the new stuff. the material will speak for itself. its time to put appetite and illusions behind them and move on with chinese democracy. its a different time, but the reasoning still holds true as it did in 1991...the band can and will move beyond appetite and illusions...again, im speaking generally and i am really happy that all the fans around the world enjoyu seeing the band live no matter what songs they play...its all about fun and excitement.....i think you agree with that..don't you?

I insist ... i think the band's choice of not playing anymore Chinese Democracy unreleased tracks is correct. The problem is not exploring the vast Guns N' Roses discography, mainly UYI... but, anyway, like I said ... i'm happy anyway, a Guns N' Roses concert is a Guns N' Roses concert. Any setlist will kick ass because they got MANY great songs... this is a "healthy" discussion, is not a situation of life and death, so take it easy guys...

THE REAL PROBLEM IS CHINESE DEMOCRACY NOT BEING RELEASED AFTER ALL THIS TIME... if it had already happened, we would be having a very different discussion about the setlists...

I just think the complaining is partly from the delay in the album release. I can see why Axl refuses to play more new songs and include many classics in the setlist, I think it's good for the fans who attend the shows since most of them are not online checking the setlist of every single show and comparing them. Hell, I'd be more than glad to attend a GN'R show with a setlist like the ones they were playing last year.

The thing is, waiting for the fucking album for so long makes people want more fresh stuff then what we already got. Yeah, we got 8 new songs so far, but that's 8 songs in 14 fucking years!! I speak for myself here, but I'm starting to get a little pissed that they start a tour and there's no sight of the album release. Then they start another tour, and still no album, no announcements, no nothing! Then Axl comes and cancels the January shows in order to finish the album and announces a tentative release date. I was VERY happy Axl had finally decided to address GN'R fans like that, come clean about some stuff. But even though I knew the release date was tentative and I kinda expected them not to release the album in the announced date, I never expected that in june, 3 months later after the tentative release date announced by Axl, we'd be completely in the dark again!!

And then comes yet another tour, which is great, I love the fact that they are back in action, but it's really starting to get a bit ridiculous that there's ABSOLUTELY NO SIGN of the album again! And you can't say there is, because most of us were 95% sure the album would be out by december last year (at least we got an explanation back then).

So, we can't really complain about the setlists, 4 or 5 new songs is pretty good, but having 8 new songs in 14 years is ridiculous. I wonder what would have happened if Better, IRS and TWAT had never leaked. I bet my ass that the band would still be playing only The Blues, CD and Madagascar at the shows, and I can only imagine what the whiners would be saying...

You posted while I was writing my own message, as you can see I completely agree with you!

So you think they should play sets with a majority of new songs nobody has heard?

You don't think the people at the shows will be wishing they'd play more old stuff while others would wish the anticipation and surprises were saved until the album is out?



Haven't you paid any attention to what others around you are saying? There's a bunch of people who think the songs we've heard live are enough for now. But you want more......





It's pretty pointless to try to reason with some of you. You weren't at the shows you're complaining about. I just can't relate to your way of thinking.

15000 fans are going insane and enjoying the show, you think it sucks and you're not even there.... Makes no sense to me.





/jarmo

i loved the shows last year, and if gnr was playing near me for the first time, i would PREFER they do the same setlist they've been doing. and i know there are MANY others who feel the same way.

when people see gnr, they want hear the classics. it's tough to fully enjoy a live song that you're hearing for the first time.

they need to release the cd before they do more new tunes live

jarmo, let me first say this...i respect the fact that you have been running the site for 11 years and your dedication to the band. i really do. i can relate because ive been a die hard for over 20 years. ive travelled the world to see the band and have been to over 100 shows over that time period. so, dont get me wrong...im not complaining, im not gonna tell the band what to do, im happy the fans are enjoying the shows and i never said the shows suck, never, and i never will...they are all fucking great...i should know...ive been to over 40 "new" gnr shows since 2001. i was just bringing up some points that i thought were worth discussing and that are important. i would never complain or suggest the band to do a fucking thing....this band has brought me so much happiness over the years and will continue to do so. im behind them 100%. since ive been around and have seen alot of shows and know the history very well, i just bring up some points of discussion, thats it....

I understand, but the way I see it, it's apples and oranges when you make that kind of comparisons.....




/jarmo

thats fine if you dont agree with my opinion. thats what the board is for. your entitled to disagree with me, as i am of you.

 : ok:

That's it man! Finally someone who understands what i'm saying ...
When the CD comes out, everything will change... the problem is not having a clue when it's going to be out...

why was my post removed?  it wasn't even controversial or negative.  all i did was explain why some of us want to hear new songs

Don't know if it was said, but Frank shaved his beard. 

where can I read the reviews? since that there's always someone bitching about setlist and etc it's hard to know where I can read.

"How about we play our, uh, see we don't use a set list. We go by how we feel, and how you feel. That way, we don't get bored with doing the same shit every night, and you people go 'You know, they did the same show when I was in Chicago'.  No, we, we don't have guys standing under the stage doing my whistle parts, and we don't have sample shit. Why don't we play what we usually open with? Here we go..."

Now thats fucking rock and roll. On the other hand, Velvet Revolver seems to be doing mainly the same set list each night too, but they only have so many songs to choose from.

There's no need to bring up the pub cover band here, thanks.

Jarmo, most those shows in 1991 they were playing 9 to 10 new songs a night. Plus, Civil War & Knocking On Heaven's Door. That's 11 to 12 songs a night from the UYIs before the albums had even come out.

who fucking cares?

why do you give a fuck what setlist they played in Mexico last night?

quit being selfish and take what comes and be happy with it, or fuck off.

Well thank you for keeping this going on.

I've already explained where I'm coming from and we've moved on to discussing Bon Jovi.



/jarmo

Whatever. You make no sense at all.

couple of new pics at newgnr.com  :)

Did he shave it all or did he make some weird-shaped beard?

Discuss.

(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/9141/1180653954for4.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

HBK "

November Rain

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WyLlqFchtX8

 :love:

Here is my review of the show, more than a concert review I?ll try to share my experience with you all since most of the main details you already know. 

I got at the Arena at 7pm with two of my closest cousins, by that time, I had stopped drinking any liquids 3 hours before, my plan was not to miss my spot or any second of the concert by going to the restroom, I stud right in the middle and bellow the arena center screen, I would say 15 mts from stage,  the first opener, I think it was vulture, got on stage around nine, they just did three songs, sucked big time, people star throwing coins and water.. precious water!  to the stage .. at the end of the last song the guy said something like.. ?we are sorry,  we haven?t play together for a while?.. or something,  that?s what  I heard, very pathetic.

Around 10pm,  Maligno took the stage, they were ok the  first couple of songs, then it was boring, the lead singer looked like gay to me, and a rockstar wanna be, very looser.. everybody was !FUERA! FUERA!!, we all turned around and started rocking the opposite side, very funny, I was having a blast, I guess Maligno was not,  some stupid people throw very dangerous things to them.

Then the waiting begun, we met this cute girl from Chihuahua we were chatting and that made the wait easier, she was kind of looking for protection I?m tall 6-3 and she was little and fragile hehe,   people from the arena said 11:15pm was the time?   at 11:15  nothing, I thought it was a problem with the right teleprompter, it wasn?t working and later they brought a new one and replace it,  that was the reason!!  everybody was saying.. we are ready to start!.. nop!.  11:30pm.. nothing..  11:45pm  nothing.. 12:00am.. one of my cousin couldn?t stand it any more and left, he went to lobby.. at 12:15am  he called me, there was a long line of people upset and drunk asking for their money back, according to my cousin at lest  1000 people actually left the arena, and you could tell because I was now 5 mts from stage!, one girl pass out.. heat was infernal.. then I met this guy from Veracruz, he was very frustraded, he traveled 18 hrs by bus just for the concert and as him and me, many people came from distant places, I knew this was normal for GNR, but I was very very worried, then from the left side of the arena, the police.. probably 20 of them,  shit!!.. I thought.. that?s it? they are kicking us out,  I was so ready start a riot.. and believe me I was not the only one.

I needed water so bad..  me and my stupid not drinking water plan. Suddenly the lights slightly changed, it was the screens around the area, showing something like..  ?In a few minutes the band Guns and Roses will start the show, thanks for you patience? finally a hope!, at 12:30or 12:40, the lights went out, I could feel adrenaline flowing, recharging my batteries, forgetting my thirst and  forgiving Axl, then the first tunes of WTTJ, everybody screaming and blowing their throats, it was for sure I was around hardcore fans, from there everything was excitement, singing, screaming, jumping, trying to call the Axl?s attention, a blast!!. between songs choiring GUNS N ROSES! GUNS N ROSES! Some lead by Frank   I was having one of the best times of my life, after LALD many were crying of excitement and look happily overwhelmed, as for the sound quality .. I have no idea.. people around me were singing so loud all the songs, even the new ones that I couldn?t hear right..

At the end ..Paradise city, that just killed me.. I left the rest of me there, slamming and dancing, if you could call it dancing and I had no voice by then.

Those were the shortest 2 hours of mi life, I lost 3 pounds and dehydrate, but let me tell you it worth every minute  waited and I wouldn?t mind waiting again, as for the set list, that was exactly what I wanted to hear, since this was may first GNR concert I don?t complaint they doing almost the same show they?ve been doing at all.

As my friend Axl, (since we have been so close now, I consider him my friend now) once  said, ?hopefully I expressed my sentiments? and find this review interesting, sorry if I misspelled or confuse you with anything,  luckily English is not my first language.

CYA.
Beto.

Thanks for this review, Beto..

From the youtube videos, the sound did seemed to be really good. :)

Thanks for that review Beto - you describe the excitement of being there very well!!
Sounds like you got caught up in all the excitement!

Thank you for the great review, Beto.  I hope the band gets to read what a fantastic time you had; knowing what an incredible time you (and thousands of others) had must make going through all the nightmare of logistics involved in getting a show the size of this one on the road and on stage worthwhile.

Don't worry about your English - it was a hundred times better than my Spanish and made perfect sense.  I hope you get the chance to see Guns again very shortly, and thanks again for the review, it's much appreciated!    : ok:

GREAT REVIEW BOTO/BONO?


CAN'T WAIT TILL THE SYDNEY CONCERT, THAT DUDE JUST MADE ME PUMPED FOR SOME GNR, OH YEAHHH  :peace: :beer: :beer: :drool:

Don't know if this was posted before...

WTTJ

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CuPHLCjaei8

(http://www.newgnr.com/pix/ontour/photos/monterrey/thumbs/03-06-07_0047.jpg_t400.jpg) (http://www.newgnr.com/pix/ontour/photos/monterrey/thumbs/03-06-07_0049.jpg_t400.jpg)
(http://www.newgnr.com/pix/ontour/photos/monterrey/thumbs/03-06-07_0057.jpg_t400.jpg) (http://www.newgnr.com/pix/ontour/photos/monterrey/thumbs/03-06-07_0105.jpg_t400.jpg)
(http://www.newgnr.com/pix/ontour/photos/monterrey/thumbs/03-06-07_0106.jpg_t400.jpg) (http://www.newgnr.com/pix/ontour/photos/monterrey/thumbs/03-06-07_0114.jpg_t400.jpg)
(http://www.newgnr.com/pix/ontour/photos/monterrey/thumbs/03-06-07_0237.jpg_t400.jpg) (http://www.newgnr.com/pix/ontour/photos/monterrey/thumbs/03-06-07_0102.jpg_t400.jpg)

many more pix @ newgnr.com/tourpictures.html (http://www.newgnr.com/tourpictures.html) :)

Thanks for posting Sladdi!