Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I see it everywhere !

A lot of parents want their children microchipped so they can be located instantly in case of drama or if they were to get lost.

Discuss

Hell no.

If its lost its lost.

Part of the game.

I hear ya.

Finders keepers, is what I always like to say.

it would be a good idea but kind of breach of human rights and impossible to work if kids are kidnapped (im guessing you are posting this in light of what is currently going on (madaline)) if everyone was chipped kidnappers will know where they are and have a method of deactivating so you would still be in the same situation

it would be good for just general losses of kids though but would never work in kidnapping cases

Mataphysical question, but isn't it a breech of human rights to let child killers have human rights ?

Isn't it a breech of human rights to deprive children ( or adults) of human rights when victimized ?

I do think it could work in case of kidnappings if a child had one, i'm not saying each child should have one but it should be at the parent's discretion to have one implemanted or not...

Interpol is very worried with nowadays cellphones with the 3G technology.

Terrorists, pedophiles and all harcore criminals have been given a technology that leaves absolutely no traces?

So what happens when criminals have in fact more rights than a lamda citizen ?

What can people do ?

i know its not right but im a lawyer so i have had the fact everyone has rights drummed into me (law student anyway) so thats the way i think not that i agree its correct but its just the way it is

nope, this is wrong.

How you ment to take it out when your older? you wont, government will just track your ass.

You take it out just as you put it in.

And sorry, but after meeting people from national security a few years back, they don't need a chip to know, if they want, within a few seconds, they already know all about you, to your worst fears and weaknesses.

Your worries are a false problem because the governmental technologies are far mroe advanced than you think.

And to be honest, if you don't have problems withthe law, stop thinking you interest them, that's the problem with many people, they think their life is interesting enough so people will snoop into their lifes..

Do you really think they give a shit ?

Plantings of tracking devices inside of people is the beginning of the "Big Brother" society where everything you do is controlled by government, George Orwell style.


And that is democracy being raped at its finest.

Very interesting discussion - I hope it can remain mature...

I think it should be the parents choice, not a government thing.  If a private firm could put the micro chip in a child and have it EASILY removed WHENEVER  the parent wanted to I see no problems with that at all.

government has no right to know anything about the whereabouts of a kid though.

My dog has a chip in him in case he gets lost so shelters know that hes not a stray.

demo what ?

you still believe in democracy ?

I don't, but i believe in protecting kids.

the government control everything already we already live in a big brother society or at least i think we do the average person is caught shit loads of times on cctv throughout a normal day

exactly, the techno is available for animals and ready for humans.

Man knows as professor cyborg in england can do it.

Easily removed, fast, no pain.

The government doesn't care, it's that people don't want to realise.

They have bigger animals to tame.

People do not interest them, at all.

Of course, but does it affect your life ? probably not

I don't care if i am filmed on cctv, i don't give a shit, i am clean when it comes to the law, a few unpaid bills here and that's hardly a reason to have taxpayers money send to my door in uniforms asking me if i still have a teddy in bed as i sleep..

this discussion shouldn't have much to do with the government - private firms would be the ones doing this most likely.  kidnapping isn't that big of a problem in this country (its horrible, but not a major, serious, country-wide epidemic).

i wouldn't be surprised if there aren't private firms who are already offering to do this.

what in the world would the govt ever have to gain from microchipping EVERY kid thats born.  it'd be so retarded.

You cant protect kids to 100 %.
There is always a chance that the person walking next to you suddenly pulls up a bat and starts to beat up people, the driver of a car might have been drinking alcohol and the bicycle might be a member of Al-Qaida and is having 47 kg of explosives in a belt around his waist.
The best way is to stay at home, but than there is a chanse of the oceans flooding over and drowning everyone, the sun exploding or diseases and viruses floathing around.
Or that you loses your mind, joins a religious sect and starts thinking about the idea of sacrificing you children to some spiritual leader.

I believe that this would make it easier for the parents to track their children, but with new technology comes new problems e.g kidnappers abductors etc etc finds methods to turn chips into their advantage, as previously said.

Well, i didn't intend to say protecting kids against life or fate, but against people who mean them harm.

Actually, disappearances don't just concern kids.

Do you know how many millions vanish every year throughout the world ?

Possibly a random number between 3 to 450 thousand. Kids in Africa, Asia (includes Russia) and South America are not valued especially highly.
There is where the real problem is if you think about vanished kids.
They are taken off the street, killed, having their organs removed and sold and shipped to Europe/America before you have time to say "Oh". They gets forced to prostitute etc etc
They face dangers you children will never meet. Because organ traders dont mess with West European kids since thats to complicated.
They go to Shanghai or Venezuela and snatch some off the streets.

Chipping kids sounds like something for the white rich people.

But.
The question is.

How do you know who means harm to your children?
You dont know. Tricky.
How about mindcontrol chips so we can read their thoughts.

Imagine some crazy hacker pedophile that uses the info from the chip to track your child as well. To get them someplace alone. :nervous:

As far as technology is concerned, there are always two sides to the coin. If the application is critical and the technology can be misused, don't do it.

If you want to be sure you won't get hacked, don't plug your box on to the Internet. Same principle.

No, no way.

The government may have more control than we know, but if we start to give up primary rights soon they'll take all of them. It's a matter of principle.

The one who tries to chip me or my kids is going to spend some time in a hospital.

jessica, there are no "genuine criminals". you're not born a criminal.
and you are opposing criminal's right to the victims, as they are two groups.
"criminal" is not a state of being, it's a legal statu regarding the society at ONE POINT. a very specific moment.
don't listen to sarkozy.

What a coincidence, I just had my kids fingerprinted this weekend.  Not so much for their safety, but for everyone else's.

In the US , one of our fundamental rights is the right to privacy . It doesn't matter whether one has problems  with the law or not .
I for one will not give that right up . It amazes me just how willing our European brothers are to let their Gov. intrude in their lives . People willing to give DNA samples to help capture criminals ? WTF , if they want my DNA they can shoot my ass and then scrape the blood up off the street .

HAHA !

And you people think that the Patriot Act invades peoples privacy and is unconsitutional ?

Come on, now.

Society is getting worse and will not get any better. this much is true. But putting microchips into human beings to constantly monitor there whereabouts ?!

Say that to parents of the little jamie in england who was kidnapped and MASSACRED by two 6 year olds.
Say that to parents of a schoolboy in france age 6 who was raped by another pupil of 11.

Actually, if you want a truth you may not want to accept, USA has develloped a brain scanner some 15 years ago and they have since done research on prisonners. The scanner shows different colors for zones of the brain and when one malfunctions, it shows and when one doesn't function at all, it shows another color.
Wether yo ulike it or not, in cases of serial killers and sadists, the scan shows the front lobe doesn't work whereas a zone that wouldnt usually work for normal people, situated towards the back of the brain, is actually working.

so basically, these people have a " defect/default", just like machines, they were not well enough fabricated, denegerated.

incurable.

You're nuts man, I should hook you up to my brain scanner....... :o

No.  I don't want anyone to be "chipped."  Perhaps good parenting would be a better option? 

On a similar topic, however, I would be in favor of chastity belts.  :hihi:


Don't count on it (see my comment immediately above).  :hihi:

It would just show color in the back of my brain . ;)

The idea is insane and cruel

well, insane and cruel, but then, it is a debate all over the net and coming from all over the world.

Parents worry more than ever.

So, in a way, place yourself into their shoes, can you blame them for trying to calm their anxiety ?

No one found a solution to the problem yet, so people are now thinking about extreme measures.

Have you got a better solution ?

yeah i blame them
these parents have no problems. they're stupid fakers.
these are all fake issues from our rotten decadent western societies.
we're creating fake problems were we chip kids.

parents? they're anxious? don't make babies. or chill out.

I would never chip my kid. Ever. The idea IS insane and cruel.

i knew this debate was going to be interesting.

Personally, i wouldn't let my son out of sight and i trust very few people, there are even some in my own family i wouldnt leave him to ( for various reasons).

Then, he'll have to be warned about things ,as gently as possible, but creeps are clever, so kids have to be cleverer.

I don(t think it's necessary to chip my kid.

But i do understand parents who are scared, especially in england, where newspapers have sordid stories of kid abducted ( like a little girl two years ago, literraly stolen from her bath as the window was open, her mother had just gone to fetch something. It took 15 mn for the guy to abduct her, take her in a car, go in a backstreet, rape her twice and leave her naked in a dark alleyway outside) almost every day.

Also, as a parent myself, if something had happened to my kid, not knowing would drive me insane.

Not having a body would drive me insane.

In this particular case, when kids die, my mind wanders towards the opposite, because i know how hard it is for parents to live without answers and not burying a child they know/think dead.

It's difficult really.

There is this big brother fear some have, there is this politically correct attitude that favors criminals nowadays too, there is the fear something worst could come out of it, etc etc..

Question time :

What is so wrong in monitoring what children do ?
After all, the law says they are legally dependant of their parents until their 18th birthday, therefore, not free and must obey home rules ( unless insane of course).

Exactly. Go ahead, chip your kids. I'm sure the chip will come with a little hand-held device so you can monitor your little mutant at all times. And I'm sure that within five minutes of such a device becoming available, someone will mod them to display the information from every chip within a given radius. You'd be handing the tech-savvy pervert a menu. But hey, the illusion of safety sure is reassuring.

If you want to let your personal fears control other peoples lives, that's your problem. There is no debate here in my opinion.

If I ever had a kid I would respect him/her to let his/her personal space be his own. There have always been deaths in the world.. I can't even imagine what my life would be like if I had been chipped as a child. It's foolish and overly paranoid.

You have authority over your kids... but they aren't objects. People should be able to draw a line. Doesn't seem too hard to figure out what's right here.


Exactly. Sums this up well..