Here Today... Gone To Hell!

He is so so fucking great. I know I don't have to tell any of you that. So what's the problem?

It's that Slash is a Guitar God who is settling for KFC, when he can take on an elephant. WTF?

What I mean is that Slash can do what few other Guitar Gods have. He can leave a legacy behind that is far greater then the one he is settling for. Settling. This word is key. I remember someone saying, "I always wanted the world to know how great he is." His abilities and look... just fucking awesome. But the man is too content. He has been playing it safe for way too long. He can become so much more then what he is.

I guess what is really bothering me about Slash, is that Slash, doesn't have the same drive that say, Hendrix had. He is alright not showing the world how fucking great he is. He is alright producing the same old same old. Big rewards seemingly, with little effort. I wish he was passionate enough to show his shit in a big way, in front of the world or, just create an album that just showcases his ability. Like say what Jeff Beck does. Or Satriani. Have a guest singer for a track or two. But keep it all grounded and centered on Slash.

I always thought growing up, that Slash would be so much bigger then what he is. But he is just coasting. I don't want this going all dead horse so I am leaving the GNR side of it out of it.

WHOA WHOA WHOA

Lets say SLash choked on his vomit and died around 1994, imagine how great he'd be looked upon.


People say cobain is overrated cause he killed himself, Maybe Hendrix fits that bill a little also cause he died so young at the height of his popularity.


Slash never has to do another thing and will remain forever and always one of the greatest guitarists ever. I think the stuff he plays now is different but still brilliant and unmatched by any guitarist today not named John Frusciante.

have you heard  Slash's Snakepit? thats  straight rock N' roll (after GNR) , just underground hard rock n' roll, he doesnt need a GREAT singer 'cause no one can "top" Axl, and Slash already had him, so , he is just playing rock n' roll and enjoying it! remember Slash is no a "solo" guitarrist like the ones u mentioned, he is a rock n roller, you'll never see Keith Richards doing what for ex. Satriani/Beck/ Vai are doing.

look at Eric Clapton, David Gilmour, J Page, AWESOME guitar players and they are not doing anything "earth shattering" cause they already did it anyway. 
I agree with D on the thing that if Slash would have died in 94 he would haven been bigger than fuckin Hendrix , thanks God we have Slash, alive and rocking, doing what ever the fuck he wants to DO, he's showed us he CAN play rock, metal, pop, hip hop, latin pop, you name it  : ok:    GOD SAVE SLASH! :smoking:

Why don't you want him just to be happy?

Let him enjoy his life and have some privacy as well. He doesn't need VR, he is in that band because he wants to. Nothing wrong with that..

Alltough I haven't heard Libertad fully yet, I think there are two people out there who have the ability to press Slash more to his limits and have him come up with better stuff, more memborable riffs and solos: Axl Rose and Izzy Stradlin? :)

Could be much worse, at least he's not settling for wearing a KFC bucket on his head instead of his top hat...  :hihi:

I agree whole heartedly. I would also concur that Izzy Stradlin and Slash are the two people out there who could actually make Axl confident enough in his material to actually release it. I wonder if those 3 have ever collaborated on anything before ;). Recent history is showing maybe they need eachother more than they'll ever know.

recent history? Axl has the same problem he had in 1994 : ok: He can't finish an album. He didn't like Slash's stuff in 94-95-96 and he still can't settle on guitar parts in 2007 as evidenced by the early 2007 Bumble sessions. Slash, Bucket, Robin, Bumble, Richard.....it doesn't matter who the guitarist is at this point, Axl can't or won't settle on ANYTHING. I don't even think Izzy would change things. Axl has a huge 2000 pound gorilla on his back that he cannot shake off...it is kinda sad really.

As for the topic, I don't see Slash as "underachieving" at all. I don't think he has the ability to branch out any further than he already has...and he knows that. He does what he is good at. I do think Slash needs a great complimentary rhythm player who is a cool song writer like Izzy. Kushner and Gilby Clarke just don't cut it. :peace:

WTF ? ... Hendrix is the GOD that all Guitarist look to emulate . The man was an absolute genious . He did more with less than anyone before or since . He is the Patriarch . All heil Hendrix . Well that last part might be a bit much , but I think you get the point .

It's a good topic, I hope it won't get hijacked!  : ok:

BTW Hendrox had like... a four year career? He didn't even had the time to burn out - although a lot of people are saying that he wasn't that great in his last year. He did some stuff that nobody had done before, so the man deseres a lot of respect.

As for Slash... his AFD, Lies and UYI works established the guy as one on the biggest guitarists of all time. Hell, the curdled virtuoso still wins major guitar awards and gets mentioned all the time!

Thansk for the guys who summed my opinion well:







BTW Slash has been doing a lot of differnt music. Neither Can I, Beggars, Jizz Da Pit, Be The Ball, Back and Forth, Serial Killer, Shine, Ain't Life Grand, YNR, Superhuman etc. are all very different yet fuckin' great. Not to mention the stuff he's done with Lenny, Jacko, Elan, Ray Charles, the Curdled soundtrack songs etc. The man hasn't lost it, he's even better than he was back then  8)
 



 

I'm sorry but I can't agree with either post.? I think that Axl has long got over the fact that Slash decided to leave GNR and has a clear idea of where he wants to take the band now.? Recent history, in the form of the highly successful 2006 tour, has proved that beyond doubt.? The recording has been completed and it won't be long before everyone will be able to hear and appreciate what GNR has achieved in the studio.

As for Slash, he appears content with his current band and, if only from a purely sentimental point of view, I'm pleased about that.? It took me a while to accept that he didn't see a future for himself in GNR, and during that time I had hoped that his post-GNR work would be something that I'd enjoy.? Whilst I don't hate his recent work, I'm not that impressed with it either, but don't believe he currently has the drive to create anything outstanding.? Maybe one day, but not at present...

NOTHING about the 2006 tour proves ANYTHING about Axl and his ability to complete and release an album. He still hasn't done it - enough said-no release date in sight. : ok: recording complete my ass.....

Let's not let this descend into the usual so please refrain.

On topic..

I think Slash's playing has come light years over the years. 

So much more focused than at any time in his career.

Slash has done a lot of growing on his skills since GnR, and the solos and riffs from some of his work since 95 have been as great as many in GnR. But he is lacking a key element: Its not under the GnR name with Axl voice over it, because that was the extra spice he needed, just as Axl in my opinion needed Slashs tones to spice up his great voice. But if you listen to for example Take it Away or Serial Killer those solos and riffs is as good as most on the UIU albums, honestly! I always loved when Slash does something with other great singers , but he havent done a cool thing like that for a good while now. Those Latin songs he played on sucked big time, I think maybe he did those for Perla..? :confused:? like, what happend to the previosly standard like the songs with Michael Jackson, Lenny Krawitz, and so on? The gueat apperances he did between 90 and until 2000 rocked way more, and used to become international hits as big as the GnR hits! Like with Blackstreet, MJ and Lenny. I love Slash, and will always follow him around and buy anything he plays on, because he has done a lot more fantastic things than shitty stuff, but I feel its time for him to do something that will stand out way more then lately!

Peace! :peace:

But, there is a reason why Slash isn't seen by the majority of music aficionados as being among the greats. I would put Slash above most people in the Top 100 Guitar Players Of All Time Lists, but most don't have him anywhere near the the top. Look it up yourself. Now Appetite is always on the front of the lists for best hard rock album of all time, so its not some prejudice against GNR and Slash's involvement in making it the success that it is.

On the top of the lists are names like;

Hendrix, Duane Allman, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Jeff Beck, Santana, Clapton, and so on.

In most of the lists Slash isn't even listed. Its not just that these lists are made by ignorant douche bags, its more that Slash just flys under the radar. Its in the mishandling of his image. And I am absolutely not fucking talking about selling out. Slash unfortunately is just seen as a good lead guitarist. Slash could proudly sit alongside some of the names topping these lists, that again aren't some fucking sellout corporate motherfuckers.

Slash's Snakepit should have been completely different. He had an opportunity there to make them showpieces. Someone mentioned Buckethead, and I really don't want this going off the wrong way. Bucket just makes albums that are showpieces for him. Hendrix did that, Vaughan, Beck, Santana, and Satriani all continue to do this too. So why can't Slash? Slash is so fucking great .... why not really demonstrate that and go outside the box once in awhile. It isn't selling out or comprising himself in the least. It could only bring great things for Slash. That is what I am talking about.

And listen...I of course want nothing more then for the man to be happy. But I would also like the world to to know how great he is.?

Wow, then we see different lists.


And as far as I know one of the top guitar magazines (or its readers) ranked the often criticized Contraband as the guitar album of 2004.

I'm gonna go out on a limb, listen to ANY gnr originals album, and then follow it up by listening to ANY Vr or Snakepit album.   They simply do not compare in terms of quality, i don't think anybody could really argue against that.

Now i don't think Axl's voice was what made Gnr.  It's very good, no question, but certainly not the be-all end-all.  For proof of this, listen to the instrumental versions of Estranged or Locomotive.  I can listen to these quite happily, on account of the brilliant guitar playing.  But since leaving Gnr, Slash has not played anything as hard as Nightrain, as heavy as Coma or as insightful and sensitive as Estranged/November Rain. 

I personally think that Slash very much needed the push of Izzy and Axl in order to make him play well.  It's said that Izzy helped out on contraband, if this is true then I think it shows he needs both Izzy AND Axl to drive him.  Gnr clearly had some sort of chemisty that really bought out the best in Slash.  Maybe it was all the forceful personalities, wheras in VR, i suspect he is the leader, surrounded by Yes men.   

Slash is obviously a great guitarist, and he has 8 years of work to show for it, but I agree that recently he has just done nothing of much worth, compared to his early stuff. 

And don't try and tell me SS was rock n roll.  Led Zeppelin was Rock n roll, The Doors was rock n roll, Gnr was rock n roll, AC/DC was rock n roll.  Hell, even early Black Sabbath was rock n roll.  Slash's Snakepit was just heavy metal, it had no swing or groove.  No interplay between any of the instruments.  None of that 'livin for the sake of it' that songs like Rock N Roll, Paradise City, LA Woman or any number of other great songs had.  Nothing from SS will be remembered in a few years time by any but the most ardent slash admirers.  People still know the songs i mentioned, not because they're commercial or something, because they're great. 

Dude seriously google it. Google "greatest guitar players of all time" and look how many lists there is from the most well known sources. Slash is either really far down the lists, or isn't on it at all! I love Slash so don't take this the wrong way.

Read my post again above this one. And please, don't make this a Axl thing either. Last thing I would want is this going to dead horse before we can fully discuss this.

Slash is not seen as being among the very best Guitar Players of all time. But he is certainly gifted enough both in raw talent and heart. Slash is so good that its almost a shame that he isn't bigger and sitting pretty among the ones viewed as being the best. The world should know how great he is. I would, as a fan, dig the shit out of a true Slash showpiece. Along the lines of what Satriani, Vaughan, Beck, Santana, and Hendrix releases/d. Its not like Slash doesn't like the limelight. If he didn't he wouldn't have been involved with Wacko Jacko.

You dig what Im saying? Slash is a Guitar God. But to the general public, he either is unknown, or is seen as just being a good lead guitarist for a rock band. Slash should be way more respected. But as is apparent from the music industries top media outlets, he just doesn't make the cut. And considering what he was a part of, its a damn shame. I would personally love for Slash to step up in a big way and create an album that demonstrates what this thing called Slash is. There is no reason he shouldn't be seen as being the top of the food chain along with the select few.

Slash is doing great. A few weeks ago my local newspaper did a thing on "guitar heros", and Slash was ranked right up there with Clapton, Hendrix, and Page as one of the greatest rock n roll guitarists of all time.  And its not like its all based on GNR, it also talked about his work with VR and Snakepit.  People know Slash, nobody's going to forget about a guitarists as influencial as he is.  His solos and riffs on Contraband were ace and the album was huge despite the community of GNR fans who it apparently doesnt do anything for. 

I dont see what the problem is, do you just think he isnt as good with VR as he was with GNR?

I understand your point, but I'm one of the few (well, onw million) poeple who think that the first Snakepit album is one of the greatest guitar albums of all time. And even the second was a great one BTW. But... here In Hungary we have a 'heavy metal' magazine, called Metal Hammer World. It had a 'readers' poll' of 2006... in every cathegory. Slash was in like the 4th favourite guitar players, or the 7th, I don't remember... my point is.. he's well respected. I agree he could've achived more after GN'R... but look at Jimmy Page.. he's like nothing since Led Zep.. so I think Slash's doing great... in overall.

I look at it like this *Sorry Falcon but I have to say this*


Without Slash, Axl's babies *NR and Estranged* would be nowhere as good and without Axl, Slash's babies *Coma,Locomotive,SCOM* wouldnt be anywhere as good.

Page is probably the closest to Slash's position (Even though Page is always making these lists). Both haven't created a record that is just them showing their shit and making awesome music showcasing their abilities. And regarding the Snakepit albums... the fucker who sings on the first one, I found to be unlistenable. Just annoyed the crap out of me. Literally. Diarrhea came out of my ass.

I would love nothing more then Slash just making an instrumental album like all the greats do. Slash buddy, I don't ask for much. Please do this.

I am sorry to say that Slash is actually playing it very safe. He will never have to take sole responsibility for the music he appears on. VR produce a shit record (Just saying hypothetically), well... its not all Slash's fault. Snakepit sucked ... yea that singer fucking ruined it. Not all Slash's fault. How about this? Chinese Democracy is underwhelming you say? Well yea ... that would actually be all Axl's fault.

Maybe Slash should step it up and not play things so safe. If he does what he does best the accolades would be huge.

Remember this. With great risks come even greater rewards. You will see what will happen to Axl if CD is a masterpiece.

Slash should come of of this cushion bubble and take a chance. He is certainly good enough.

I dont think slash has the capacity to sit and dwell on something...he goes and records it and releases it then tours then records more. there is no way in hell that he would sit and sit on material like Axl does part of the reason why he left in the first place i think

That's not the main point. I agree with Buddha that Contraband was generic and repetitive, the same riff over the whole song. I didn't understand and didn't like that since Slash's post-GN'R stuff ( the two Snakepit albums) wasn't repetitive, there were plenty of music ideas in each songs.

And Axl had to make Slash work on NR and Estranged.....

Do you really think it's a coincidence that nobody else has written that kind of songs after they left the band?



/jarmo

I am going to pose this question. Multiple Choice.

What album would you like Slash to take on next?

a) Velvet Revolver III

b) The Slash Experience (whatever name kind of representing that). A Rock/Blues album that is emotionally charged. Signature Slash. Featuring Slash on lead and front and center, blah blah blah on drum, blah blah blah on rhythm, and blah blah blah on bass. Maybe some tracks with vocals (around 3 tops), featuring guest singers.


(So curious on the answers)

Option b) all the way. :drool:

Of course, then return to VR.

Option (b) all the way  :drool:

Of course, then another new option (b), and another, and another.

(b), although i'd very much like it if he chose mr izzy stradlin on rhythm guitar. 

option B but have guest vocalists on every track...like Santana did there a few years ago...that would rule... :drool:

In the same vain do you think that it is a coincidence then that Axl himself hasn't written an epic to that level either since Slash has been gone? Are you willing to concede that having superior material to pull from made Axl's job a little easier in finishing the songs as evidence by the fact he hasn't been provided with that same level of material to ever deem a song finished to then release to the public?

That argument cuts both ways.

The big schism it appears among GNR fans is that no one can seem to agree on the chicken or the egg argument. Like SCOM for example, was it Axl's brilliance that let's him realize something is great or was it Slash's brilliance to even have that kind of talent to come up with such an epic opening riff? Depending on where you come down on the ability to create vs. ability to realize side of the argument is probably who's side your going to think is more vital.

All the while missing the point that when you can match up 2 people who have a superior ear for something with someone who has a superior talent for creating epic guitar noises you get a pretty decent band. Saying one is more vital than the other is retarded because when you have 2 guys that are the best at something, sticking them individually with someone else not at that level will naturally never produce previous results.

No one can deny it is more than coincidence that neither have made a better song without the other than they did when they were with eachother. To truly reach their musical potential they have/will always need eachother.

* Please see TWAT, Madagascar, the Blues.

Now that you have been so completely owned, don't take this thread off course. Answer the question or respond to the main discussion or post somewhere else.

You are confusing the act of trying to make an epic with that of producing an epic.

Put a random sample of 100 people in a room and play those 3 against NR and Estranged. You tell me which grouping if they could only choose one of the two is going to do better.

Those are by far my favorite of the 3 new songs, I am just saying that they are not reaching the potential Axl has shown in those other 2 previous epics.

Now that you have been owned we can proceed with this thread.

So you've heard everything Axl has written in the past 10 years? I don't think you can assume he hasn't written songs like those because slash ins't there. For all you know he might have quite a few epic songs under his belt that he doesn't want the world to hear until the album is released. On the other hand we know Slash hasn't done anything like NR or Estranged since, because he has put out several albums of sub-par songs. If he would have written songs as good as those don't you think he would have released them on one of his crappy albums?

Naupis

Lol.

I actually think you would be very surprised by the results your little case study would have. Comparing 3 masterpieces to 2 of them. That's a good idea.

Now we can proceed with this thread.

Owned?  Ha.
Opinion.  None of those songs come close to Estranged or NR in MY opinion, and clearly the opinion of others around here.  I guess we'll have to wait until CD is released to gauge general opinion, but i can't imagine they'll catch in the same way. 

if its not out then it doesnt count....since technically it doesnt exist

regardless some peopel would beg to differ that NR and Estranged are even his best works...besides madagascar and blues dont even come close to NR and estranged anyway. TWAT is a great song but at the same time I could never see slash writing it. nor could i see Robin writing estranged :hihi: apples and oranges to compare the 2 really.

As for the quality of slashs stuff post GnR...there are some real great tracks that he did....Dime Store Rock and Beggars and Hangers On are amazing...and Cure Me OR Kill Me and Tiquana Jail from Gilby's pawnshop guitars are fucking fantastic. SLither and Pall To Peices are great tracks that he did as well... I mean there are loads more just picking a few

depends what you want to hear i suppose....but just cuz someone may think its shit doesnt mean that it is...music is very relative...and if you think Slash reached his guitar god status just cuz of GnR you're kidding yourself, sure it was a major part, but he has pretty much consistantly released quality music since he left GnR....what 4-5 albums plus many one offs and stuff....again if you dont like his things then ah well not much i can do to convince you to like it, but i've pretty much loved his guitar work on everythign i have heard him play on.

Besides what the fuck are we justifying Slash's post GnR work to Axl's work after Slash left for? Granted Axl brought alot of great tracks out of slash but Axl never told him how to play shit....he just pointed out his favorite things that slash came across when he did them. SOme of you act like Axl wrote the music for slash to play ::)

Let's propose a fair comparison: let's put a random sample of 100 people in a room and play those 3 UNFINISHED DEMOS  against UNFINISHED DEMOS of NR and Estranged. I got unfinished versions of NR and Estranged, give me a shout if you want 'em.

The fact you're proposing a comparison between unfinished versions in lossy format and finished versions with 16 years of airplay means that you are really impressed with the new songs.

Nobody pays attention to this little detail: some people think that some of these new demos are masterpieces (TWAT, Madagascar, The Blues, CD), other people think these demos are good but not at the same level than THE BEST Guns N' Roses [finished] songs EVER (Estranged, November Rain)

And another detail that needs to be recognised is the fact that Madagascar, The Blues, CD, TWAT, Estranged and November Rain are ALL OF THEM Axl Rose's songs, all of them are Guns N' Roses songs, but some people tries to make us believe that Madasgascar, CD, TB and TWAT are from a totally different band than songs like NR and Estranged. And that's is simply not true. Just because Slash doesnt play guitar on them.

All these songs are great songs, all of them were written by the Guns N' Roses leader, under the Guns N' Roses name...so, what are we discussing?

so you're telling me axl composed the entire songs of NR and Estranged? gimme a break Axl even said in the Making of videos himself that he thanks slash sincerely for the amazing work Slash did to make those songs what they are and to bring them to another level...

Both Slash and Axl were integral to the greatness that GnR was back then...anybody who thinks Axl was the one carrying the band then you need to give your heads a shake

A comment was made about Slash needing Axl to push him to reach his full potential. Others have retorted that Axl has suffered the same fate since Slash left him, claiming that Axl's ballads without Slash on them are not as good as the ones with Slash on them. It is the exact same claim that the previous poster made about Slash needing Axl to push him into making epic music.

Axl replaced Slash, and he keeps making epic songs, with killer guitar melodies and solos.

Where are the ''November Rains'' in the Slash catalogue after losing Axl?

Axl needs a good guitarist to make his songs shine. That kind of guitarist is not an endangered species. And everybody knows that Robin, Richard and Ron (and Buckethead) are a lot more than ''good'' guitarists.

I don't know what Slash currently needs to be the extraordinarily creative guitarist he used to be in GNR. But Weiland is not enough, Eric Dover is not enough, Paulina Rubio is not enough. It's gonna be a tough mission for him to find an ''Axl Rose alternative''

I didnt start listening to GnR for piano epics :P and i did list some great tracks he's done since he left GnR :peace:

how many guitars has axl had in gnr since Slash left (10?)? and how many singers has Slash had for his bands (3)? looks like slash should get a few more cracks at singers before you pass judgement :hihi:


matter of taste really....besides I thought we werent allowed to talk about those songs :hihi: graet songs that have never been released ::)

Man... I just wanted to talk Slash. Created a topic that was pretty specific too.

So what the are you guys talking about?

GN'R Geeks (I mean let's be honest here... we are GEEKS! about as Geeky as any Star Trek/Wars Geek).

Anyway Geeks arguing facts that all the other geeks know, but want to act like they are the only geek who knows these facts, are fucking hilarious. We are all Geeks, and we all know the story. Can we fucking move on now ya geeks?!

estebanf

Slash should make another big mark and make an album like I was suggesting. Like All the greats have done but for some reason Slash is avoiding doing. I think its becoming an issue of balls.

thank you Buddha! haha, back on topic, i think slash should


i dunno though i think slash thrives better in a band setting than with all the spotlight on himself...i think he needs to share the spotlight..i dont think he's the type to be the centre of attention all the time, all the time

 :hihi: talk about schizophrenia

I agree with you Buddha.  It sounds like Slash is either holding back in an effort to cater to Weiland's ego and avoid upstaging him, or just isn't trying all that hard.  Let's not kid ourselves here.  This guitarwork he's done on the VR albums is well below what he's capable of. 

Weiland, especially at this point in his career, would get outdone and overpowered by Slash going full throttle with his guitar.  Maybe Slash is keeping that in mind.  Or maybe he's just content at this stage of his career to do what comes easy to him, sell records, make money, and enjoy himself without pushing himself.   Also, having a rhythm player who doesn't do anything doesn't help either but that's another topic.  Everyone knows Slash can do better than just make disposable rock songs like SBQM.  The guy has written classic riffs that people still recognize instantly 20 years later.  His stuff with VR is way too anonymous, with some exceptions.  Like Superhuman is a vintage Slash riff.  But overall this stuff is way too plain

i dunno though i think slash thrives better in a band setting than with all the spotlight on himself...i think he needs to share the spotlight..i dont think he's the type to be the centre of attention all the time, all the time

Yea that's the only thing. But he did do that commercial with nothing but him (that car stereo system one). That was cool. That's thing with Slash. He is so fucking right there. You know what I'm saying? He is so close to achieving the same level of greatness of the ones we talked about earlier.

I don't like the sound of solo album for Slash either. He is bigger then VR. And to almost hide in the shadows, at this point, is a damn shame. He is his own business. His name is that recognizable. Slash could be making these all encompassing badass Rock Bluesy Slash albums. Enough with just being the lead guitarist in a band with the one singer. Go fucking out and make the album Slash should have got the clue to make long ago. Go now while Slash is still current.

But maybe my man Neemo is right. Slash might not have it in him. That "It" that makes Hendrix, Duane Allman, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Jeff Beck, Santana, Clapton, and so on... rank among the "greatest guitar players of all time." I, to reiterate, think he is among the greatest. But he is not to the general public (as discussed earlier).


Oh... and unfortunately, a big fat "YUP" to ShotgunBlues1978

Hey Buddha!  How's it goin' man?

I was thinking about the very subject myself.  I like to go back to my high school every now and then and shoot the breeze with my AP Euro teacher.  He's in his 50's, he's seen it all when it comes to rock n' roll.

The thing that bothers me is that he says Slash is an "average" guitarist.  Clearly, that isn't the case.  But Slash doesn't get the respect he deserves.  Especially from the "old school" crowd that HAVE seen those other guitarists. (Clapton, Page, Hendrix, etc...)

We can all agree that his best work was with Guns, yes?  So why in the world are people so keen to put down his guitarwork on those albums?

He just needs someone to keep him focused, otherwise he just does it and moves on.

As for ranking up there with all the greats i think he does...even in the media....maybe to himself though he doesnt have that "I'm as good as hendrix" (or whoever) attitude :-\ i know that him and Duff did all they could way back in the 90's at gnr's height, to say that GnR werent even close to the stones or zeppelin. When they undoubtably had some serious magic goin on

What's up Garry!  :smoking:

"As for ranking up there with all the greats i think he does...even in the media....maybe to himself though he doesnt have that "I'm as good as hendrix" (or whoever) attitude"


Again type in "greatest guitar player of all time" and see all the top 100 lists that come up from some of the largest most respected sources in the industry. Slash is either not on them, or is just really, really far down on them. He just needs to come out and make the kind of record I am talking about. The kind of record all the "Greats" have made, and continue to make. The rest will fall into place.

Its like the true Boxing champions. Every great boxer has one last great fight in him. Slash has it in him to do this. He just needs to want to.

I absolutely agree with u 100 percent. I definitely think Axl got the very best out of Slash. I have always stated that but U also have to use the flip side. Axl spoke in an interview of how hard doing "Coma" was, so one can also say that Slash was able to get the very best out of Axl also.

Yeah but the Demos get the new treatment also.

For instance I absolutely hate WTTJ,PC, Hell even Livin On A Prayer,Under The Bridge, You give Love A Bad Name, Give It Away etc etc etc cause after almost 2 decades I have absolutely worn those songs out, have listened to them till I almost despise them.


The Demos are new so when u hear something new u immediately get that great Love feeling but time will tell how well they stand up.  Madagascar definitely does cause in 6 years I have yet to tire of it. Some of the other ones for me havent worked out so well cause Better,TWAT,IRS,CD, The Blues I am burnt out on already.

Same with Contraband. it still is good but to me it really isnt an album Im gonna be listening to in 5 years.

I think SBQM is WAYYYYYYYY better than Slither and most of everything else off Contraband. Scott's lyrics arent the best but man that song fucking rocks. : ok:

Why D? Why are you going here man? Do you have an opinion about the topic or not. If not ... Peace.

Huh?

We are speaking of Slash right? I am answering people's questions about Slash.


Dont ever tell me to Peace out of anything. U dont Run this thread and dont single me out in one either cause I am adding to a discussion thats already being talked about.

If u dont like it, delete it? or stop reading.

Maybe u should ac tually read the posts I am responding to, that helps u know..... : ok:

I am talking one specific thing regarding Slash. I created this thread to talk about this one particular subject about Slash. Not Dead Horse subjects that were brought up that you are responding to and after this all got back on track anyway.

Peace out, later, have a good one, take it easy, take care, sianara, god speed, bah bye, asta la vista, see ya.  :peace:

To be fair...Isn't this the same "Love feeling" talking....

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No cause I was never that huge of a fan of Slither to be honest.

When I got CB I didnt keep Slither on repeat like I do SBQM.

Slither was a good song but I never held in great regards.

SBQM I cant get enough of.


Here is an example:

I held a Bon Jovi song survivor on a Bon Jovi forum

All the all time classics got voted off before some of the newer songs.

Why? cause everyone was sick to death of them and the new songs were fresh and just being experienced.

Thats why i say everyone needs to hold off comparing the Demos to songs we've listened to for 20 years. Of Course we are gonna be excited hearing what we've been anticipating all these years and that anticipation and excitement leads to overexaggerating and overrating things a bit.

So we gotta see how it all plays out over the next couple of years. thats when u can make a true comparison.

I can compare Madagascar cause 6 years it holds strong. however after not even a year I am sick of Better, TWAT,IRS etc.

I am not sick of The Blues from RIR3 but I hate every version from 2002 till now which is strange.




ON TOPIC so Buddha doesnt put me in another timeout :hihi:

Slash doesnt in my opinion sit down to create legendary solos/riffs anymore. I think he can if channelled and properly coached but I think he is happy writing good rocking riffs, one or two take solos and that be that.

That is why in my opinion they didnt work with Rick Rubin. Rubin is a taskmasker type producer that makes u expand your horizons and push your boundaries to create amazing unique music. take Stadium Arcadium by the Chili's for example.

So it isnt that SLash automatically forgot or no longer has the skill to, he just realizes now he can make good rock music without having to really push himself and to put himself through the ringer.


So Slash compared to Slash isnt at the level he should be but he is still a level above almost everyone else and for me thats good enough for now. : ok:

So now D.... Answer the question posted a page back.

What question?

I'll answer anything but stop with the Da Vinci Code shit. Just tell me what the question was.


Part of what has hurt Slash was GNR disbanning the way they did.

Had GNR stayed a constant force, he would be higher on people's list.

Most of the time I think he is just oversighted cause although he won't make a list, he will have 2 or 3 songs in the top whatever greatest solos or riffs ever categories.

This coming from the dude who said


Maybe u should ac tually read the posts



Hook line sinker. I knew you'd walk into that.

U asked like a thousand questions to various people.

I dont want to read through 5 pages of this shit to find one hidden question.

Jesus just ask the god damn thing or hush already. U are like a damn 12 year old who constantly repeats everything u say.

So, the questions is, when alone, does Slash pick up his guitar and whip out an old GNR tune? Curious...... Patience would be quite lovely to play.......

It's been a long time since you have had any sex or love in your life, am I right? You are way too pent up buddy. Maybe you should think about getting a dog or something. Anyway, here you go jeebs:

What album would you like Slash to take on next?

a) Velvet Revolver III

b) The Slash Experience (whatever name kind of representing that). A Rock/Blues album that is emotionally charged. Signature Slash. Featuring Slash on lead and front and center, blah blah blah on drum, blah blah blah on rhythm, and blah blah blah on bass. Maybe some tracks with vocals (around 3 tops), featuring guest singers.
 

If I can answer your question... the 2nd option, for sure  :beer: :drool:

How about a less skewed question?  Instead of proposing this arbitrary ultimatum, why not ask if hed prefer a bluesier, "signature Slash" VR album?

I'd much rather hear VR 3 than any self indulgent solo album with whomever in the backing band and limited vocals.

me 2, id rather hear songs. instrumentals get boring very quickly

I'd choose b.  I always like my favorite artists to expand their horizons, do different things, try to get outside the box so to speak.

sometimes it works, sometimes not but its always worth the effort i think!

How about I choose C


Axl drops the Studio session musicians and they act like grown fucking adults, bury the hatchets and reform the greatest rock band EVER and record an amazing comeback album?

D.... what the fuck is your problem?

Do you think that maybe its you that needs to act like an adult? Things change man. Don't be so worked up over things you have absolutely no control over. You have had 15 years to get used to the way things are. That's still not enough time for you to resolve your issues? You are so quick to call people immature and babies well, take a look in the mirror buddy. Why do you insist on talking about things that have been beat to death so many times before? Get over it man. There was no need for you whine about Axl ... again. This thread isn't about Axl. Seriously, you want some cheese with that wine? Move on D. I asked you respectfully last time to stick to the discussion and not go off on dead horse shit again. Your a big boy. Get a grip on yourself. 

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I am over it, just stating that the wait is ridiculous and even though I don't want to, I am personally starting to think maybe the reason it is taking so long is simply cause the material isnt there.




To answer YOUR question I will take a 3rd VR album.

Last we need is Slash to turn into Carlos Santana and start having today's biggest named stars singing over Slash instrumentals.

Someday I'd like to hear a Slash solo album, but I hope we get to VR album #3 before that happens.

How long do you think VR is good for? Audioslave lasted for three albums. So I hope VR can do three, or maybe four. Five or six would be awesome.

Musically speaking (judging more from contraband here) it seems that Weiland is the one indulging himself more than anyone else.

You know, that is the unfortunate truth.