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All these shows were cancelled

June 20, 2007 Lisbon Portugal Collseum
June 22, 2007 Zaragoza Spain Feria De Zaragoza
June 24, 2007 Dessel Belgium Graspop Festival
June 25, 2007 Paris France Le Zenith
June 26, 2007 Zurich Switzerland Volkhouse
June 29, 2007 Dublin Ireland Marley Park
July 2, 2007 Kristiansand Norway Quart Festival


Source: http://www.velvetrevolver.com/index.php?module=tour

hope this is a joke. I'm goin to zaragoza june the 23 to the monsters of rock festival mainly due to VR. I bought my ticket last week, It's the first time i'm goin' to see them live. If they confirm this i hope to get my money back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Looking at those dates it is very possible the record company wants them in the U.S doing press and media whoring as those were all the 2 weeks prior to Libertad's release. That is just my theory, but I could easily see that being the case.

this is fuckin stupid..so now i have 4 tics to the who in marley and the only reason myself and 3 friends were goin was for VR..id imagine theres another 8000 VR fans in Ireland tryin to get their money back now...

Heres a big fuck you to whoever was responsible for this cock up :x

Weren't they aware of this possibility when booking dates for the tour?? I don't buy that as a legitimate excuse.

hey, "you wont get fooled again"? :hihi: :rofl:

haha that was a good one!!

Often times, bands & record labels use an outside promotional company to book their tours. Sometimes there is a conflict. This would have almost nothing to do with the band (unless someone inside the band can't or won't do them).

Where's the backlash that Axl gets when Guns cancels a show?

Management reports they aren't necessarily "cancelling" they are "changing" their schedule.

They will reach the area's that have been taken off the Tour Schedule at another date to be announced in the future. They will definately hit those area's and it is important to them to play for the people in those areas.

They had to rearrange the schedule due to promotion they are doing for Libertad.

Shitty business?

How could they book these shows when they knew they need to promote the product back home? This is an outrage!? :rant:




/jarmo

can't believe how badly you are trolling this board... it's painful to watch...

I pulled this off a VR board. As I correctly predicted yesterday, they are using those 2 weeks for promotional work/ media whoring for the album release. Here is the blurb:

Maybe because:

1) They aren't canceled but rescheduled.
2) VR don't have anything to prove.

vr have everything to prove, and unfortunately they dropped the ball yet again with another sub-par album. I guess that's the real reason why no one cares that vr are canceling shows, because the majority of people really don't give a flying fuck about this band.

vr have everything to prove,

and unfortunately they dropped the ball yet again with another sub-par album.

I guess a triple platinium #1 record, hit singles, succesful tours, Grammy awards and identities outside of the original bands that first brought them acclaim don't add up to much as proof goes?   ::)


So you've already passed judgement on a record you haven't even heard in it's entirety yet?

Not smart...

identities outside of the original bands that first brought them acclaim

You honestly think Contraband would've gone double platinum and won a Grammy if it was just a major label debut album made by a band of unknown musicians?  Come on

As a Guns N' Roses fan in particular you of all people should understand the importance of trading off the name of the band where you once made your most famous accomplishments.

Of course they were going to play that up at the time, as that is stuff they could justifiably put on their resumes. Every new band needs to use everything at its disposal to get itself out there and promote it in any way they can.

The name of a band undoubtedly influences how people will feel about a band. If Fallout boy and GNR released the exact same song note for note word for word people would automatically associate the GNR version with being better because they have an established brand often associated with releasing kick ass rock n' roll songs. So to lay the Contraband argument at the feet of VR as if they are the only band in the world that has ever benefited from name recognition/association as it is a little disengenuous.

No matter what people's opinion is on why it happened, fact is Contraband garnered enough commercial success and critical acclaim to make people take them seriously as their own band instead of just a record label formed super group because they brought the goods to the table. Then considering the fact there are almost no other rock bands of guys on the wrong side of 40 being commercially relevant these days and it just adds to how big a success this band has really been. They could just as easily have gone the way of Army of Anyone with a good album and no market to get it played for the masses.

Velvet Revolver's success and following has as much to do with what they did before VR even formed as what they've done since, even now.  I don't see how you can deny that.

Concerned about what?




/jarmo

Concerned about what?




/jarmo

Let's see where all the fucking whiners are now that VR cancelled gigs.?

It's a fact that bands cancel gigs. It happens.

Or maybe the truth is that nobody really gives a fuck about this band.

No matter how much you people dislike GN'R, you still care enough to bitch when something negative happens.....

That's even more amusing....

The only ones who bring these things up are fellow GN'R fans who find it amusing how shitty you treat GN'R on a GN'R site, while VR can do no wrong in your eyes

I don't need to have a referendum every time I moderate on a board that I actually started years before you came around.

I've never been about doing things the way you think they should be done.

What makes you think I'll listen to people like you now?

Wake up and smell the fucking coffee already.

Every band cancels gigs, but it seems only GN'R gets attacked by their own fans. Fans who are always unhappy.

I'm happy that you're happy with this money grabbing record company project band. Good for you.

I'm happy that you're happy with this money grabbing record company project band.

Go look at some riddles then.


Let's see where all the fucking whiners are now that VR cancelled gigs.


It's a fact that bands cancel gigs. It happens.

What's interesting is the total lack of comments from the people who were there to bash GN'R for doing the same AND for giving a reason.

That's fucking priceless!


Or maybe the truth is that nobody really gives a fuck about this band......

No matter how much you people dislike GN'R, you still care enough to bitch when something negative happens.....

Maybe that's it.

That's even more amusing....


The only ones who bring these things up are fellow GN'R fans who find it amusing how shitty you treat GN'R on a GN'R site, while VR can do no wrong in your eyes.

You really are on the wrong message board "VR only fans"......





/jarmo

Another moron who doesn't how to use free speech.

This why free speech should be banned.People simply don't understand how it works.

Free speech and GN'R fans don't mix.

Giving assholes too much freedom does also not work. I've also learned that the hard way.

So please, continue with your advice and analyze me you wanna be shrink.

Better than being a wanna be dictator.

Better than being a wanna be dictator.

Grow the fuck up.

If you hate the rules here so much then why not just fucking leave? ?

Theres lots of boards out there that allow you to bash the current form of guns. I'm you can find them, go there and the adults alone.

Once again a thread has turned into a vr/gnr debate and look what a suprise the axlites are responsible for ruining the thread...

nice going guys  :beer:

I get a lot of enjoyment questioning some of the less than balanced opinions of self prolaimed GNR super fans and stirring up anger in people like you. Thanks for the laughs : ok:

I don't need to give you examples.

The little clique of "GN'R fans" who love nothing more than to put down the band for their "shitty business" (among other things) because they refuse to do things your fucking way.

You're probably the kind of people who love to post shit and if something bad happens, you'll say "what did I tell you? I knew it would happen!"
 

Then when the opposite happens it's "I always supported this band and I knew they could do it!".

You never lose.

Axl is held responsible for everything.

Even things that happen that are out of his control, but when VR fucks up, it's always management and/or the record company.....

Some of you are fans of something that doesn't exist anymore and you're probably holding Axl (and the band) responsible for standing in the way of that reunion dream from happening.

Is that supposed to be funny? ? ? ?

Since you're such and expert, how do you advise a person who starts a web site should run it? ? ? ? ?

?You're as amusing as the rest of the little clique.

You're all too good to be GN'R fans because of your "objective" point of views. In reality, you (like the rest of us) don't know shit about the band and yet you think you have all the answers to everything.

the 7,000 a night that are going to see them live

Enjoy your warning.




/jarmo

You, Booker, Mikkamakka, Naupis and Genesis obviously haven't. The little clique of "GN'R fans" who love nothing more than to put down the band for their "shitty business" (among other things) because they refuse to do things your fucking way.

 ???

I do that?  Id like to see an example.

You should let some 12 year old run your site, even they would come off better than this.

There's like years and years of material on you where you did nothing but argue with people who supported the band.

I'm not gonna waste my time on giving you examples, I remember the past.

???

Daves recent posting has been very bizarre.

Judging by its absence on this board, Im assuming that Mercks letter isnt allowed to be discussed.  However, in it he says that the tour dates contributed to delays in the albums engineering (or something similar).  These dates might have a similar effect.  It seems a lot goes into these shows and they could be distractions if Axl is seriously focusing his efforts on the albums release. 

Another consideration for those unhappy with the news is that while March 6th is the tentative release date, there should be plenty of Chinese Democracy-related activity in the interim.  Were sure to hear a single before March, the album cover should be floating around soon enough, and hopefully well see a decent amount of press.  Axl alluded to the process in the letter.  Eight weeks, the amount of time Axl says the label will have to roll out the album, means the process should begin sometime next month.   

Its funny to think Jarmo, Younggunner and I were all in the same building.

It was a really good show.  Its hard to compare to the May 12th one, but the band sounded good.  The highlight, for me, might have been Ron Thals "Dont Cry" solo.  Watching a full Madison Square Garden sing along to the entire song was pretty special.  "Live & Let Die" was great.  So was "You Could Be Mine."  Maybe its due to his current low-profile, but I missed Slash a bit, particularly during these songs (and "November Rain").  Dont construe this as whining or reunion wishing, just a simple feeling I got during a handful of songs, a feeling I didnt get at the May 12th show.  The band did a great job as usual.  Fortus was just virtually flawless and the other guys were great.  Axl also did a great job as usual. 

Madison Square Garden attracts a more mainstream crowd, as opposed to a small venue like the Hammerstein which drew a large number of fans through message board presales, so while a lot of the Hammerstein fans sang along to the new songs, the MSG fans werent that into them and the momentum stalled a bit.  Thats obviously just a symptom of no album, and is just one more reason to not include more unheard songs until the albums out.  But Im very happy to see this band performing well on a successful tour with an album on the way.   :beer:

Chinese Democracy
The Blues
Madagascar
I.R.S.
Better
There Was A Time

Thats 6 songs that are safe bets for the album (I doubt hed include them as regulars if they werent on there)...assuming theres 12 or so tracks, thats half of the album. 


One difference is the internet - those new songs would spread on a scale unlike anything in the 90s.  Thats obviously not how he wants the new songs unveiled. 

We all want to hear new songs, but with six likely Chinese Democracy songs in regular rotation, Id rather hear the rest on the album.  As for people attending, who is really passing up GNR because theres too many classics in the setlist?  Thats what most casual fans, and many die-hards, want to see.  Id like to see a few more. 

The key is Axl actually releasing the album.  Assuming he does, itll about 5 or 6 months until hes playing those new songs.  No big deal.  If not, then the problems obviously bigger than the setlist.

"The crowd didn?t go nuts for them. Most of the new songs are dystopian, tense, portentous, finally a bit inconclusive; they dabble in electronic rhythms, big keyboard sounds and droning repetition. They didn?t produce much catharsis, on stage or in the audience."

Untrue.  I was amazed by the reaction those songs got, particularly "Better."  I believe Axl even commented on how at least half of the theatre sang along to these unreleased songs: "Downloadin' motherfuckers."

No. 

Besides, its only 4 or 5 months.  Itll come quick enough.

From the buildup Bach gave to the surreality of Axl arriving, it was pure excitement but they actually delivered with a really fun and informative interview.  All the guys - Bach, Ian, Trunk, Jericho and Axl himself - created a fun atmosphere and it translated into good radio.  The Piazza call toward the end was great as well.  The interview went surprisingly smoothly with a lot of funny moments...no, its not a hard-hitting interview, but it shouldnt have been.  Axl was just hanging out and he came across as very cool and down-to-earth.  Id love to hear him do Opie & Anthonys show, they have a very similar vibe.  Or Ron & Fez, who do great interviews with musicians and other artists.

By the way, is there more to the interview?

Nope.  This lineup is nice for the most part, but its 95% about Axl for me.

I think the band should be afforded some slack - they certainly didnt have to add extra shows to give more fans an opportunity to see them, but they did and should be applauded for it.  Who knows what the details were...perhaps these were the only dates they could manage?  Besides, Im sure you can manage to trade your tickets with somebody from the 5/12 show.

I do see your point, I wanted to see the 15th show for the same reasons, but I dont think its anything to be that upset about.  Regardless of the date, youre going to see the band in a great, small setting - an opportunity we might not see again any time soon.

Cool pictures, its great to see Axl having fun. 

He sounded very good as far as I could tell, but honestly everythings so loud that its hard to really discern either way.  I will say that I thought his mic was off for a few songs - I couldnt hear his voice at all.  I was about front row, so I could sort of hear his voice off-mic at times, but not much on-mic.  That was for the rocking songs however, he was pretty clear on the slow stuff.

I thought that was common knowledge...

I think VRs record is better, and Im certain Axls is too.

I cant imagine anybody wants to see covers on the new album...I want it to be a strictly Axl affair.  However, Id like to see some new live covers.

Actually no, I just think these threads are so long and diluted that its tough to keep up with the discussion.

Ive heard all of the demos, and I like them all a lot.  This ("Catcher In The Rye") really caught me off guard.  Axl really created a melodic stunner with this one.  The Queen and Elton John comparisons are appropriate...And I dont know if anybody mentioned the intro vocal line, which is nearly identical to "Madagascar"s.  The breakdown (around the 2 minute mark) sounds like it could have come straight out of a new wave song.  On paper, that sounds atrocious - new wave in a GNR song.  But it works big-time.  The whole song does - great verses, great background vocal melodies, fantastic ending.  The workings of a true GNR classic.

I feel about as strongly about "There Was A Time."  The intro isnt good, but Ill chalk that up as a mere demo drawback and hope its improved on the final mix.  I was shaky on the chorus at first, but Ive warmed up to it.  The extended guitar break is great and I really like the "there was a time, didnt want to know it all" refrain.  The screaming ("I would do anything for you") is fantastic.  Theres strong shades of "Estranged."  Axl sounds great on all of these demos.  If I were to nitpick, Id question the inclusion of drum loops and such.  They might only exist for demo purposes, but I think the songs would work perfectly without them.  Theyre ultimately unnecessary.  But if theyre not overdone, they might not diminish my enjoyment of the tracks much at all.

"Better" is a good track.  The intro reminds me a little of Rage Against The Machines "Year Of The Boomerang."  The robotic guitar that comes in after the stop-gap part is pretty cool and, again, a damn fine ending (although they could have ended after one "No one ever told me..." instead of two).  I really dig the second solo (I believe its Robin Finck).  Aside from the switch-up in the middle, this sounds like something that couldve played on rock radio in 1996, which is a pretty good thing in my view.

And my feelings are similar for "I.R.S.," which oddly enough feels "old."  Very cool song.

So Im generally feeling very good about these tracks; theyve restored my interest in the album, which was almost non-existent for a period.  I think Axl would do a lot to squelch further links (or at least widespread listening) if he would just give a time-frame for the albums release.  So far, its looking damn good.

A truly unbelievable show.

Axl looked like a million bucks.  The look really worked, especially in contrast to the 2002 hometown jersey routine.  He did a typically great job with everything, although it seemed to me as if his vocals were way low on some of the songs.

Robin Finck won me over.  I liked him fine enough before, but last night he stepped up as the GNR guitarist.  The Jesus look is very cool (I thought he was the new guitarist at first when the lights went up) and he displayed great presence, diving into the crowd twice. 

The rest of the band did a great job as well, showing a huge amount of chemistry.  There was a lot of hugging and interacting on-stage among all of them.

Sebastian Bach was about 8 feet away from where I was and upon seeing him I thought it would be great if he jumped up on stage for a song.  He didnt disappoint and it was one of the highlights of the night.  He came back for the rest ofthe show and he was genuinely into every second of it.

I was pleasently surprised to hear the new songs.

"Nightrain" and "Paradise City" was amazing.

The biggest disappointment was the new guitarist.  Bumblefoot seems like a cool guy and a proficient guitar player, but I was majorly unimpressed with his overall presence.  He just didnt fit.  And despite my past criticisms, Ive come to really appreciate Bucketheads persona and playing and for the first time, I missed him being in GNR.  I couldnt help but think that his presence would have taken things to an even higher level.

Thats about it though.  The show was phenomenal, everybody did a great job and Axl was better than hes been since coming back.

Where's the backlash that Axl gets when Guns cancels a show?

Yes, Booker, you're the biggest supporter of the band and there never was any kind of issues with you arguing with others in the past.

Just like the rest, bringing up some positive posts is supposed to prove that I'm wrong.

But I'm done here.

Exactly. No one else cops any shit when they cancel.


 :peace:

I'm an avid VR fan, and I think it's fucked that they've cancelled shows, especially for the people planing to see them then.


Does that make some of you feel better? :hihi:

Look Booker, my last post about this topic.

Im not surprised at all by this response, but I somehow I doubt it.

No matter how many quotes you pull up from 2006, your past speaks volumes.

My only point is, whenever Guns cancels a show the thread is 10 pages long filled with every insult in the book about Axl.   

How many dates has GNR booked/played/cancelled?

How many dates has VR booked/played/cancelled?

Im not sure of the numbers, but Im fairly certain that the ratios a bit different.? And therein lies your answer.

How many dates has GNR booked/played/cancelled?

How many dates has VR booked/played/cancelled?

Im not sure of the numbers, but Im fairly certain that the ratios a bit different.? And therein lies your answer.

Plus, if we just go from the 2006 version of GNR, they've cancelled 10 shows in 06/07.  That's 10 to 7, pretty darn close if you ask me.

You, Booker, Mikkamakka, Naupis and Genesis obviously haven't. The little clique of "GN'R fans" who love nothing more than to put down the band for their "shitty business" (among other things) because they refuse to do things your fucking way.

So basically, nobody is allowed to say anything negative about the band, at all? No criticism whatever? Just accept whatever they do or say. Is that it?

some of you guys, thats ALL you do is say negative bullshit. Some of you aren't even fans of the band now.

I don't need to give you examples.

Anybody who has paid attention over the years know what I'm talking about.


You, Booker, Mikkamakka, Naupis and Genesis obviously haven't. The little clique of "GN'R fans" who love nothing more than to put down the band for their "shitty business" (among other things) because they refuse to do things your fucking way.

Yes, and if GNR only cancelled 10 shows, perhaps the criticism wouldnt be the same.

Enough is enough. Please show me the quotes from 2007 in which I 'put down the band (i.e. GN'R) for their shitty business'. Do a fuckin' search.

Look Booker, my last post about this topic.

Im not surprised at all by this response, but I somehow I doubt it.

You know how you guys keep saying "apples and oranges"?

Since you're going back to 2001 to compare the bands, why not start including Snakepit, Loaded and STP dates into the math as well?

Anything to try to make GN'R look bad.....  ::)

This year GN'R canceled a handful of shows to finish the recording of the album, then two were cancelled due to Tommy's injury. Both were explained by the band.

VR cancels because the shows didn't sell

VR cancels because the shows didn't sell (That's what some fans say. ...)

Great journalism skill !   ::)

You should know that rumors are not often facts   :P

Source?

Great journalism skill !   ::)

You should know that rumors are not often facts   :P

Slash confirmed that the shows weren't money makers, that's why they got cancelled...

What do you have to say now?

This has got nothing to do with ticket sales, most of these we're festival dates...

According to vr's site only 2 were festivals, one being Graspop. If they weren't getting enough money from paying Graspop then maybe they are not very much in demand. The other 5 shows were their own shows, and if tickets weren't selling then they wouldn't be getting as much money as they would if they were selling.

June 22, 2007 Zaragoza Spain Feria De Zaragoza
June 29, 2007 Dublin Ireland Marley Park

These were the festivals if I'm not mistaken...

Those 2 are not festivals, the first one is a small venue from I've found on google, the second one was opening for the who. There was only 2 festivals like I said, Quart and Graspop. The rest were regular shows....

Less than 2 weeks ago, the admin on the VR forum also confirmed that the dates were cancelled because of the need to do promotional work for the album.  And yet now Slash is telling a different story...

Well, guess who's right...

Yeah, I expect there'll be some kind of backtracking comment from him shortly when he realises that he's contradicted his band's official line on this.

Still, he told the truth to a few fans.

Unlucky him, it was posted on the internet...

I think the Spanish date was part of the Monsters of Rock festival.? According to admin on the VR forum, of the 7 cancelled shows, 3 were festivals, 3 were their own shows, and the remaining one was supporting The Who.

Still, he told the truth to a few fans.

Unlucky him, it was posted on the internet...

That's correct...


How is that unlucky?, I'd rather have him speaking the truth than have him defending the record company's decisions...

"We did get a chance to say hello to all five, but we spent most of our time with SLASH. He said the seven European shows that were cancelled were cancelled due to the fact that when you figured in the travel expenses, they would not be money makers. He didn't know what they would be doing instead as they know they want to get to Japan, Australia and back to the US. It was good to see him and we are hoping they will tour the East Coast next time."

http://www.snakepit.org/news.html

Official reason, "scheduling conflicts".

Slash says the shows were "not money makers".


Does this mean their fans aren't important like they "officially" claim?  :P




/jarmo

Official reason, "scheduling conflicts".

Slash says the shows were "not money makers".


Does this mean their fans aren't important like they "officially" claim?? :P




/jarmo

Sure they are important, that's why Slash let us know the real reason  ;)
Investors/promoters don't spend money where they won't get a finantial reward; music is much more than a band playing for the fans, there's a huge business behind that makes these gigs possible or not. I'm sure that if was the band to decide they would play wherever they could, as long as obviously they didn't loose money as well/had to pay to play.

Promoters would know before the shows are booked and tickets go on sale. You don't book shows and have fans get excited, just to cancel them because they "weren't money makers". That's fucked up.  :rant:

It's all about the sponsers and promoters.....Cash....