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Just taught Id let you know that a friend of mine who works with an Irish promotion agency, one of the top two in the country, has told me that its in the early stages of choosing a suitable venue and announcing when tickets will go on sale for a gig by Guns N Roses. The date has apparently already been set for sometime in November alongside the other dates on European Tour.

Take it or leave it, just taught Id share it with ya's

Whoa - Euro tour in the fall?  :o

hmm, I was hoping they would come back to the U.S. in november. Oh well. Good news none the less.

If it's true or not... It's always good to hear some stuff like that, cause when there is smoke there must be a fire...


A tour in Europe beginning in september lasting til november would be great...  :drool:

It's Europe's turn next not US!!!!!!!!!!

Awesome, I'm so there!!

dublin is in europe...

Thats great, when is the album due out?!!!?

Obviously not in the fall, because they won't be home to promote it. If you don't think they will be in NY, LA, and Chicago for appearances, you're crazy.

Launch it in Europe, we still embrace rock n' roll here!! London or Berlin for example would be fine places to launch an album from.

Do you not think though that they could maybe return to the US after Japan, play a couple of shows, drop the album in late August/early September time, play a few more shows in America through October and then return to Europe in November? Sounds plausible enough to me!

I don't disagree, I just can't see Universal letting them be anywhere but New York.

Appearances? At a time when satellites can put you on television from anywhere in the world and recording devices allow you to complete months' worth of press from a single junket why assume that the band has to actually be in the US to have its presence felt? They could be all over the media from half the world away.

Anyway, it'll be interesting to see how the touring schedule plays out. "A friend of mine told me" isn't the kind of source which fills me with faith.

If the tour is true about a Euro tour in the fall, then I'll take a wild guess (AKA hope) that the album is out in June.

Dublin ? Again ? They're having some laugh with the rest of the people that dont live in dublin.  Twould be less expensive and more central somewhere else. And money and work arent issues like they were for me before but hate having to go to dublin for a concert. ::)

MILLSTREET ANYONE ?

haha  :rofl:

YEAH!! :rant: :rofl:

thats what i was wondering, if they're all ready booked for the summer and in the fall when is the promotion for the album start? where will it start? and if they start to promote it over there do you think word will get around to those that don't know there are still a G'n'R in america? :confused:

just curious :peace:

Damn man, do you really think that the album will come out only around September... But the mixing/mastering process will be definitely concluded before july, come on, we're in april, and the process has started in late March/early April. Add may and half june, then you have the album done. And you still have the rest of june, july and august... Come on, I think that, in the last case they will announce ther release date by early june! :-[

a european tour in the fall or maybe winter means an indoor event. finally my dream comes true  :peace:

Yeah Europe before US...

Its time to rock Europe in the fall.

damn it..I guess GN'R is NOT touring the U.S. this year what so ever.  Heres to 08' :beer:

I am 100% sure that Guns N' Roses will not play anymore shows in the USA (Im not counting hypothetical warm up shows for the world tour) until they perform in South America, and that would included 2 or 3 shows in Brazil, 1 or 2 in Argentina, and at least one show in Chile and Colombia.

GNR knows that they HAVE to come to southamerica, for these thre reasons:

* They do not tour Southamerica since 1993 (where Colombia and Chile were not included[1992])
* They have enough fans in Southamerica to perform in football stadiums.
* GN'R did USA tours in 2002/2006

well if gnr want tour name "chinese democracy-sold out tour" they will touring:
-south america
-australia
-japan
-europe

if they want "noslodout tour" they will touring in usa

Great potential news about november ...no doubts about it has to be outdoor .....croke park ?????????????.All depends on how & when the album drops

Merck did say see you last Summer at the end of the Wembley gig when Axl was ill, so maybe everythings just behind schedule with unforseen problems.

Axl, Richard & Others Says in 2006:

"GNR Are Back To Europa 2007"

HBK *

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Yeah great news........I really dont think though that they could even half fill croke park without CD...if it doesnt drop, where are we looking at? RDS again?

 :hihi:

Would'nt be too sure about the rds ....it's too open for that time of the year

I hope this is true.. Just can't see why would they come back to europe without the album.. I take this as some good news  :yes: :beer:

Not true. That can sell out shows anywhere.

The US tour would have had more sold out shows if they had played less shows.


For example, New Jersey probably didn't sell out because they played both New York City and New Jersey.

Florida had four shows instead of just one or two.


I think s GN'R tour in USA with shows in the major cities only would sell out.





/jarmo

hope its true...November is usually a good month for concerts in Dublin.

It definitely wouldnt be in croker...WAY too big..

id say the point..maybe 2 nites

Really? Even for a band that sells out more arenas in Europe than in the U.S.?

Really, have you bothered to read this post at all? or just decided that you know better:




Now that your educated, continue posting in threads  :hihi:

I doubt it'll be outdoors in Dublin in November, I'd say you're looking at RDS Simmonscourt (not showgrounds), Razorlight played there about 2 and a half months back, or it'll be the Point. Would love it if they played a smaller venue over a few nights like what REM are doing in the Olympia in June/July.

It's still a fact that GnR sell out more arenas in Europe than US. They played roughly the same no in both continents (maybe slightly more in NA because of warmup gigs), and sold out more in Europe. I'm not saying the US wasn't successful, just that Europe was more so.

As for venue, Croke Park would seem too big, but Bon Jovi played there, and the Police are due there for two gigs in October so surely GnR can? Well, if they get the album out before then, I think they can. RDS is being done up, so I would guess the Point. Having said that, I really don't think they will come back to Dublin again without an album, so maybe if its successful enough they could play in Croke Park. , with a new album. It might be a risk to book it at this point, but then again they took that risk with the american tour last fall and still went ahead inspite of their being no album

Another option is Marley Park where Aerosmith, the Who and Velvet Revolver are playing this summer.

I read the whole thread. America has their heads up the asses of American Idol contestants.

You can't argue the comparison of the 2006 U.K. tour in a Kingdom with a population of 60 million people, compared to the 2006 U.S. tour with a population of 260 million. Guns even saturated the London area with 2 arena shows and one ballroom, and also The Download Festival. America has 4 times the population. Look at the attendance numbers and TRY to tell me the U.S. holds a candle to Europe.

BTW; I was born and raised in America... f**k America and f**k their couch. I hope the album comes out while they're in Japan.

great stuff, ticket sales went well the last time, a single or an albmum would really help,

they rocked the last time, great day out, this time thou i will be early!

I missed it last time. I couldn't take a train from England to Ireland  :rofl:

But next time I'll be able to afford to fly, so I'll buy a round of beers at the meet and greet  :beer:

interesting....but we gotta wait to even see if its true...all we know is that they are supposed to do about as many dates as they did last year

The attendance numbers would be outstanding all across America (not just in limited cities) like they were years ago if GNR were a little more current and a little less nostalgia right now. Their attendance numbers were outstanding across the board here when they used to release albums. Americans for the most part are smart enough though not to pay for the same thing over and over (I guess I'm not one of them having seen the same show multiple times). If Bon Jovi can sell out stadiums in America, GNR could at least sell out arenas acrossed the country consistently if they made some effort to get after it a little.

At the end of the day they are an American rock band. Selling 10 trillion tickets everywhere but America won't make Axl feel a lick better if he can't get his reputation and legacy back in the States.

BTW; I was born and raised in America... f**k America and f**k their couch. I hope the album comes out while they're in Japan.

Yea F**k You ?too.

Fuck your couch to clown shoes. : ok:

Try spending a few months in Europe. You'll be embarassed too at what America has become. It also helps when you're old enough to remember what America was like in the 70's...

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I still think Guns did better in Europe than America and there are no excuses for it. (below)


This is no excuse. Why would Europe be different? So you're just saying that Europeans appreciate good rock music... even if it's not current, more than Americans do?


What "same thing" are you talking about? Guns only played each city once in 2006. If you saw them more than once in 2006, that's YOU'RE deal... not anyone elses. And how about Elton John selling out everywhere HE goes without albums packed with new material? Are these "Dumber Americans" than Guns fans?


Really? Is that what you think Axl thinks? I would feel GREAT if I were standing on this stage... (Oh wait... I WAS standing on that stage while Metallica played... and it felt great!  ;D )

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Can I just give you alittle perspective on this issue from Down Under. GNR virtually disappeared from our satellites pretty much in the 90's. We are pretty isolated here Down Under. Our global perspective can be limited at times. GNR were huge here in the 80's - a big part of our collective consciousness. I was a teenager then. Along came the 90's - Nirvana and the Chilli Peppers kinda filled the gap left when GNR virtually disappeared. Even up until a few months ago, one of the biggest GNR fans of the 80's asked me - whatever happened to Axl? I had heard that he had trashed a hotel in Norway. We grinned at this small snipppet of news........ Other aussies on this site may have a different opinion, but this tour is stirring up ghosts from the 80's. Alot of us are now in our 30's, our age group now hold influential jobs that can influence the rest of our society. Alot of us will be going for nostalgic reasons - but then alot of us will also be talking about the concerts around the water coolers the next day......... and, hey presto...........new CDs will be bought! And also, it will be like the vapid 90's never happened - we'll just pick up where we left off............

You'll all buy AFD again?

That's the point really, without a new product - people will just see this as a nostalgia trip.  I'm more interested in seeing THIS bands era, and not having to stir up ghosts, but laying down a benchmark for themselves.  : ok:

Nah, what I'm saying is that this tour will get the ball rolling and we will want to buy new product. I'm also literally saying that GNR virtually disappeared off the map for us - so we need to pick up where they left off. This tour will remind, influence AND inspire.
PS. most of us had AFD on tape, so buying it on those new fangled CDs aint such a bad thing..... :D

itunes man - be a downloading motherfucker  :hihi:

you're misinformed about US cities...New York and New Jersey have very different demographics.....all big bands play both venues (msg and continental) and sell out both...there is some (not a ton) of overlap except for the die-hards...of course i was at both and was surprised/disappointed jersey didnt sell out....the same goes for florida...florida is a huge state with a lot of different types of people...i went to those shows as well and was disappointed they didnt sell out.....

Well, some were comparing 2006 to 2002 and said MSG sold out quicker. There's an explanation for that.

Florida might be a big state, but so is Texas.....




/jarmo

i was at the garden in 02 and 06...the 02' show sold out a bit more quickly than 06, but not by much...not more than a few days...also, florida is a big state and is more diverse than texas so i dont get your point...all big plans play mulitple dates in florida and sell out because of the diverse population ...as i said, i was disappointed for the band that the florida shows did not sell out...not one of them was a sell-out..not one....

Let's see.


Well, last time Pearl Jam (a band who manages to sell out arenas without hits on the radio) played in Florida on a proper tour was in 2003.

They played two arena shows (Tampa + West Palm Beach) and one theater (Orlando House Of Blues).

So even a band like Pearl Jam who's been active for years and years didn't schedule four arena shows in Florida.


U2's Vertigo tour had three dates in Florida (2 in Miami + Tampa), Elevation tour Leg 1 (2 shows) and Leg 3 (2 shows).


The Rolling Stones 2005 A Bigger Bang Tour (2 shows), 2006 leg (1 show).




Now, as you can see, not even the biggest band in the world play four arena shows in Florida.

Yes, all of them play multiple shows there, but not as many as GN'R.

You might talk about population all you want, but that's a fact.





/jarmo

I want them back in Europe. But I'd like them to play in South America, they have a lot of fans there.

I think even Axl said that European audiences are more in support if the new line-up than the US. So why not give Europe the tour first, followed by the states? Would even allow the album to get as much airplay as possible in the US in order to boost sales.

if its november then ithas to be indoor, the point is the obvious venue, and it they do there theyl probably do the odessy in belfast hich is a much better venue

Yes please, but is prob too small although the prodigy did play there last year.


I agree, it got to be indoor in Nov, more then likely the point and Belfast. But it be cool to see them indoors after seeing  them outside in the rds last summer. Nice trip to Belfast could be on the cards also.....................if this rumour is true of course.

well whole sweeden have about 10 millions people and gnr sold two shows in stocholm
norway have less,and gnr sold out 2 shows in oslo
in budapest gnr had soldout shows (hungary have 8 million people and hungary is ex comunistic country)
in england gnr sold out more than 10 shows,and had festival show in donington

don't get me wrong,but gnr in europe have a real big status
in usa it isn't a word

and for me gunsnroses succes and u2 or bon jovi successes aren't for comparation

u2 and bon jovi music are more commercial,more soft than gunsnroses

i think gunsnroses success is really specific,they had his story and people came with them

I like bon jovi (u2 not0 but my sister was on bon jovi show (and my sister are listining shakira,britney spears...)

Do you get point?

hey folks,

can who ever started this thread come back with more info when they can. it would be appreciated.

if there coming to Dublin, then they must be doing another European tour, although not on the festival route this time,

whether its in America or Europe it good to see guns on the road, remember all those years where there was no touring,

rock on guns!

As far as I know, its going to be part of a European Tour, although my friend wouldnt really know anything about the American dates as is involved with an Irish promotional agency so it wouldnt really be any of their concern. A simple fax that came from Guns record company to my friends promotional agency (and I'm only not naming names because I dont want to get people in trouble for handing out information they really shouldnt) confirms that the band are playing 70 shows this year and that this Dublin show will be (and I swear to god this better not cause a panic) to support the newly released Chinese Democracy

Now, the fax also said that the band would be in Japan in April (and those plans were cancelled and rescheduled obviously) so I would not go on saying that Chinese Democracy is now defo going to be released by Nov, this just means that the record label (at the time of writing this fax) believed that the album would be released by this Nov

Furthermore, I have not seen this piece of paper, this is just from my friend who I have known since I was 12 so I dont think he'd have any reason to lie to me to this extent knowing I'd prob post this information here for you all to see. That is basically everything I can say on this matter for now, I know nothing else, if I do I will post it.

good stuff robin! 70 shows is a lot of touring!

BTW; I was born and raised in America... f**k America and f**k their couch. I hope the album comes out while they're in Japan.


Try spending a few months in Europe. You'll be embarassed too at what America has become. It also helps when you're old enough to remember what America was like in the 70's...


Hey Eddie, what's your deal?  For someone who is attempting to sound cosmopolitan, your obviously extremely close-minded.  Your ability to turn a conversation about ticket sales into a generalization about what people drive, and the size of their wives, makes me just want to hop on the next plane and spend my days with such an inclusive group of people.  Maybe if you could do us all a favor and make a list for us all to live by, we would meet your approval.  I know I for one, would feel much better about myself today if I could learn how to group 300 million people into one demographic. (Sorry, didn't mean to use big words, if you need any translation, please let me know)..

They will be plenty of sold out show in the US and Europe and wherever else they go once the album is released.  We all like good music, and there's no reason for people to get all bent out of shape because of which country thye happen to be in when it drops.  Enjoy your day, and cheer up, its all not so bad..

is it's true i'll be there again 8) : ok:

I get the small amount of info I get in a similar fashion and I've heard the same thing. I heard they were going to be in America in September though, so maybe all the routing is still being worked out.

Aiken do Ireland for GN'R. Who is your 'school friend'?

Aiken do Ireland for GN'R.


Who/what is Aiken?  Is Aiken the promoter for Ireland?

I know 3 things...

1: Compared to when I was a kid in the 70's, my home country of America sucks and has gone to shit. And it's only gonna get worse.
2: From the time I spent in Europe last year, I'd rather live there. I'd rather live in a squat house in Germany than in America with money. (Although I'm loaded)
3: Guns n' Roses concerts in Europe will kick ass and will have a far less likelyhood of riots breaking out.

You should really think about the second part of number 3. Cuz that's no joke and probably "Means something." http://youtube.com/watch?v=x7SYtuHUP3s

Please shut up already.

We don't care if you hate USA.  : ok:


This is the GN'R section.



/jarmo

:rofl: I just read that sentence phonetically.

Just glanced it and thought, 'Oh, Mysteron's posting job applications.'


I'm a bit tired.

Ya there one of the main Irish promoters.

fuck that cd has to be out after they do japan dates and then go to the us and start to promote cd.

I sincerely hope its not the Point Depot because rock bands just don't sound good in there, its just a big shed and for some reasons the acoustics get fucked up with loud bands and the no smoking ban is a pain. The RDS was good, I'd love to see them back in Slane again but November might be a little late for that venue. I hope they play outside Dublin even though I'm living there

i have never seen the smoking ban enforced in the point, bet yes its not geat for sound, the oddessy is by far the best indoor aren in ireland

Hope UK next after Dublin/ireland. spent a lot of money travelling to Dublin last year then found out they were coming to my home town of Newcastle!!! never mind got to see them twice, although enjoyed Dublin the best (much better natured) Concert in newcastle was on the hottest night if the year, that coupled with late appearance! meant the mood wasnt so great, but Dublin was brilliant!!!

i read in one serbian newspapers that gnr show in london last year was first show when people were buying tickets by sms

Yes, for the Hammersmith show you could get your tickets as a text message to your phone.




/jarmo

I find it hard to believe Guns N Roses would tour Europe just over a year lfrom the last time without having yet released Chinese Democracy. Not that I would complain if they were to come back. They were fantastic at the RDS last June. I would personally prefer them to come back in summer 08 and play outdoor again instead of an indoor gig in November.

I think I'd prefer to see them outdoors too. Both times they played in Ireland the sun was shining and it made for a great atmosphere. Henry Mount Charles should ask them back to Slane

I think indoors, or in the dark anyway is better. Just for the intro alone going into Welcome To The Jungle. Wasn't as good when you saw the band coming out as the riff was played.

outdoor sux

This all seems very hard to believe.

I really can't imagine them going back to the UK so soon, CD out or not.

And as far as the CD coming out? At this point, I'll believe it when its in my grubby little paws.  :hihi:

Ireland is not in the UK.  >:(

This topic makes me dream too much.. :-\..I'm already in Dublin in my fantasy.. ?:-X

Yeah you gotta wanna be in Dublin. Meanwise, im afraid I have no more information on this at the moment....but all I'll say is check my new site myspace.com/headbangersballireland because I'll prob post something there first if I hear anything...so as not to panic the masses on this site into more of a false sense of security!

So soon?? It'll be over a year since they were last in the UK and Ireland if this rumour becomes reality.? Don't forget they played here in 91, 92 and 93 in support of the Illusion albums - the first shows being a couple of months before the albums' release.? So, if the plan is to release CD this year, then I would think it entirely possible that Axl hopes to execute a similar plan to before.

This is cool, thanks for passing on the info  8)

doubt it'll come off but hopefully the next time they do play ireland they don't charge so damn much for a ticket. ok, the last time they came under donnington, but it was still too expensive.

and a Point gig would be far better than an outdoor show. i've only ever seen them at festivals so it'd be nice to get a relatively more intimate show.

Just found this! Maybe not that earth shattering but at least its more news for the guns playing Ireland/Europe  :beer:

http://www.globalrhythm.net/WorldNews/TinariwenToSupportTheRollingStonesAtSlaneCastle.cfm

Hmmmm interesting, weren't they supposed to support the stones last year for a gig or two?

Yeah they were...a couple of shows, can't remember exactly where though!

Germany

read it on a foreign website as an opener for the Stones...take it for what its worth..it makes sense to make up for the date they were supposed to play with them last year....

Northern Ireland is in the UK  :P

Dublin is not in Northern Ireland  :P

Yes we know where Dublin is. If they're playing Dublin though they'll play the UK aswell, they should play Northern Ireland too. That'd be good to have two Irish dates

Some people seen not to know. The only way they would play Ireland without the UK is if they supported the Stones at Slane as a once off show. The Stones might ask them on account of having to cancel there shows together last year. If its part of a tour then they'll hit both Ireland and the UK.

Something I got from GNR fans around the world on MySpace:


The latest rumours says that The Black Crows and GnR would open for the Rolling Stones in Dublin, Ireland, on August 18th.

And another rumour is stating that Brain is about to come back with the band...

Laurent

Yay for Brain coming back!!!!  That guy is great on drums.  He can play with groove and with power!!!

Ali

hope the rumor about brain is true...the guy is a real pro....he was missed on the last leg....

Not by me - I have nothing against Brain but didn't feel that he added much to the live show experience when I saw him.  Frank, on the other hand, did both an excellent job on the drums and in the way he interacted with the audience.  I thoroughly enjoyed watching him and think that his exuberant personality is better suited to the touring GNR.  I hope that he stays with them.

i wouldny mind going to see the stones, tickets are 86.50, i wouldnt pay that just for the stones tho, id like to be sure gnr were playing before buying a ticket,

these tickets are on sale now btw

you can still buy tickets from this link through the stones website.

http://www.ticketmaster.ie/promo/wkcm93?brand=ie_rollingstones&camefrom=CFC_IE_MUROLLINGSTONES

hope its true what theyre sayin about slane

Haven't checked this myself but the Stones' messageboards are saying that The Black Crowes are already booked for a gig in the US on this day.? Also, I believe that Van Morrison is supporting on some of the European dates, so I guess it'd be possible that he'd do the Irish (and possibly London) dates too.? Whatever happens, I hope an announcement is made soon.

Slane Castle is sold out already thru ticketmaster.

That would be great exposure for GN'R if they play Live Earth and in front of a full house at Slane. Get the wheels in motion a bit too for CD.

i see there are no tix available now, but earlier today there were some left thru the stones site. they were normal standing. 86 euro.. .. .. they appear to have been snapped up now

Everyone that comes to Slane gets in whether you have a ticket or not...there's always a way...if GnR are playing though I can see them tightening security even more because GnR have such a huge fanbase. To be honest I can't imagine GnR announcing they're gonna play a gig that's already sold out!

http://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/event/18003E75BFA25317?artistid=806216&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=1

Some here!

is that why there was 30,000 unsold tickets the last time they headlined slane??

Yeah but take the number that were sold and add that to the number of Stones fans going to Slane leaves alot of GnR fans without tickets trying to get in

Sure I suppose they can do whatever the fuck they want really