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TSI? is in this list:

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2007/05/11/weekend-rock-list-bad-albums-by-great-artists/

Discuss

I think TSI Kicks ass, but alot of people don't get what the album is about

they have chose TSI as one of the 5 worst albums by great artists, then you click on the album, and RS rates it with 4 stars out of 5...

Yeah, weird.  It's almost like there's more than one guy that's been writing Rolling Stone for the last fifteen years. 

Maybe there's two guys -- one who reviews and one writes articles.  I'll bet one of them loves Axl and the other loves Slash.

RS gave TSI? 3.5 stars when it came out.

fuck that comment made me laugh knowing what I know about so called "journalistic integraty".. seems that way in reality though, sad to say.

Including TSI on that list makes absolutely no sense.  It seems that at least a few people there are a bit too-overtly anti-GnR for my taste, and definitely not objective.  Then again, they did have enough sense to put Van Halen III on that list... 

Seriously, you guys are trying to make this seem negative.  Look at the other artists they're listing GNR with -- Van Halen, the Stones, Bowie, and Dylan.

That's pretty esteemed company.  You guys are too touchy.

Any publicity is better than no publicity.
BTW - a great album, and one that GNR should have toured behind through 1994.

MNW

Dude.. not about touchy.. but a few of the albums there are amusing that they are there in the first place.

 Blah...... it is just a cover album..... nothing to worry about.

I got.........aint it fun!!!! ::)

weird look on the site rolling stone originally gave the album a 4 out of 5 and now they say it sucks  :rofl:

But they do give gnr a backhanded compliment by putting them as great artists in the league with the rolling stones and bob dylan

I though TSI was pretty darn good for what it was.

And who cares what RS thinks they have been pretty damn shity for years now.

The headline of this thread is wrong.

It says GREAT artists.  ;D


Rolling Stones, Bob Dylan, David Bowie.. Not bad company to be in.




/jarmo

The Spaghetti Incident? is 10x better than Use Your Illusion II


My Top 5 Worst Albums by Great Bands

5. The Weirdness The Stooges
4. Rock In A Hard Place Aerosmith
3. Van Halen III Van Halen
2. Use Your Illusion II Guns N' Roses
1. St. Anger Metallica

I just can't get over how fucking dumb Rollingstone is.  I say that based on the fact that they reviewed this album at 4 out of 5 stars  (and even have a link to the review) originally and not put it on this list! Do they even think before they do shit??

I totally agree with St. Anger being number one...but USI II???  wow...I think that album kicks major ass...and I don't see why everybody hates TSI? so much.  I think it's an awesome cover album...Hair of the Dog is sooo bad ass

It's fun how half of the people talk about Rolling Stone as if it was this one guy instead of massive corporation with about gazillion online and mag writers.

What should be noted when making lists like that is  what the any given album wants to be/tries to be. Spaghetti incident wasn't released to be the most essential record of the year and cornerstone of GNR's catalogue or anything. They just had a pile of dumb punk covers they like and  felt like releasing.
Point being, the album aimed so low to begin with that it just doesn't belong on lists like that.

all great artists, just not up to 'MEDIA' expectations

I dont know why nobody likes St Anger... its better than shit and re-shit at least...

My top 5 worst albums by great artists would be:

5) The Works (Queen)
4) Incesticide (Nirvana)
3) Fly On The Wall (AC/DC)
2) Load (Metallica)
1) Flowers In The Dirt (Paul McCartney)

Dude, give me what you are smoking. Although I'll give you that  The Weirdness and  St. Anger suck.

I am not a huge fan of TSI, really i thought it kind of sucked. And I don't know how many times talking about Guns N Roses i've heard, "damn that band was great up until TSI, what the hell was that about?" I get the album, but I just don't think it was very good.  :smoking:

That's so true. I think the album is fucking great, and the mixing/producing is done very well. Gotta love all the songs..

That's NOT what the critics have said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

it's worst albums of great bands!
it's not a bad thing!

Worst by GNR is better than best by Limp Bizkit.

I like TSI, at the time it was released GNR were very overexposed I think-it also would have been interesting to hear the punk cover album it was originally intended to be, but otherwise I think it''s a good album.

that's what I was going to write down.. : ok:

I think it would have gotten a better reception if it came BETWEEN albums.  But it's what the old GNR left us with, and so it seems odd, as their final musical statement is a cover album.  And, usually, cover albums are things that hardcore fans and completists buy.  The fact that it's as well known as it is shows the quality of GNR.

Anyway, this one would make my top 5:

Led Zeppelin - In Through the Out Door

Some asshole on the rs site listed Motley Crue - Motley Crue as being one of the worst.  How intelligent...I'll just criticize an album because everyone else does!  That album fucking rocks!  If you don't think of it as Motley Crue and, thus, try to compare it to the Vince Neil stuff, then you'll realize how much it rules.  In fact, it's one of their BEST albums...it just sounds different than most Crue.

You are in the minority putting TSI ahead of Illusion II.  TSI is a cover album it is not a great album it has some great songs on it but overall not a very good album.  But I hate most bands from the 80's so nut surprising.  Only exception is Guns n Roses and NIN

Why did TSI get four stars out of five from RS if they hate it? :P

TSI? is up there for what it was not for the music.  It is up there because it was the last GNR album and compared to the other albums its awful.  I think it would be very hard to find someone who lists TSI? as anything other than the worst GNR album.  That doesnt mean its bad, but what album would you put ahead of it, how many gnr fans list TSI? as their favorite album.  It was also the last album, theres been nothing since.  When you release an album and it doesnt do as well commercially or critically as the others and then you dont make another album, its going to lead to the assumption that the album was bad.  This had nothing to do with the music or comparing it to anyone else.

Well RS is RS. TSI is a good album. I don't listen to it a lot, but I don't listen to much Gn'R anyways anymore. Burned out on it.

TSI is a great album. It had 1 top 60 hit in SIDHY. The album peaked at #4 and has sold 1 million copies in the states, can't argue that.

RS are retarded for this article.

All these lists fuckin blow chunks.

? But RS does a fuckin great job in being the best at these terrible lists. It would be cool if one day someone made a list of the worst lists of all time. Now that would be fuckin' cool.


as for TSI it's exactly what it is a punk cover album and a good one at that.

? ? The person that mentioned the Motley (94) albumas worst deserves to be shot and pissed, this is a very, very good album just came out at the wrong time. Same goes with Subhuman Race from Skid Row another very strong album but at this time both bands could have released the second coming of Back and Black and it would have stunk with the critics and with the fans...it just wasnt Alice in Chains or Pearl Jam?

TSI isn't all that great, but it's too good for that sort of list.

TSI? does have it's bombs of songs (YCPYAAAM, Human Being, etc) but it does have it's good moments.

those are 2 good songs. The entire record is good

The Weirdness was pretty bad.

If we could all time travel back to '93-'97 or so, when the original GNR was the only GNR, you'd understand how disappointing this CD was.

It just made no sense to the world...

GNR toured well over 2 years for the UYI CDs, putting out single after single, video after video the entire time (Estranged came out in '93!!)
Plus, people really thought GNR had become sort of a rock n' roll joke by then. (Biker shorts, riots, backup singers, etc)

Then when you think about the fact that Grunge was at its peak in '93, for GNR to come out with this "punk" CD was just a joke. How is it possibly a punk CD with Since I Don't Have You and Hair Of The Dog and such...

Then when you look at the fact that Axl doesn't even sing lead on half the songs... It's just not what people wanted/expected.

I think it really nailed the coffin shut on GNR in the 90s.

What ever your smoking i'll take a git  :o :smoking:

I think TSI rocks. 

I'd qualify that review by saying TSI's song choice was excellent. The production missed the point entirely (ie: it was awful). Punk rock with boomy, reverby Matt Sorum drums? No thanks.

I disagree with you entirely. I think Sorum did awesome job with this, and so did the production-part too. It's simple and it's great. The band did the songs their way, that's how they wanted it to be.

TSI is fucking awsome, it shouldn't be anywhere near this list  :rant:

The now, CRAPPIEST magazine , that NOBODY has cared about for years:

1.The Rolling Stone

I wouldn't wipe my ass with a page of their garbage.

come on.
what GNR album you like the least?
and what do you think are the top 5 great bands?

I totally agree on this. Believe it or not Warrant had their only two good albums come out during that time as well. Dog Eat Dog and Belly To Belly are both great albums that are WAYYYYYY better then anything they put out in their heyday but got totally overlooked because of when they were released.

But to get back to topic, you're right these lists are useless and dumb.

well the whole great artist thing is actually a compliment...so its hard to get pissed about that.....i think that people take TSI way too serioulsy....first of all its a COVER album they they threw together during the Illusion sessions....it wasnt some piece of art they labored over for years and put out...it was just a fun record.....afterall its called THE SPAGHETTI INCIDENT...how could you possibly take it seriously?

TSI is not a bad album.  I think including it on that list is a huge stretch.  It was just a cover album that the band did for fun and is entertaining enough to listen to.  Not a great album by any stretch but it's not bad either

even though its a cover album, TSI is just viewed as a horrible follow up to the UYI albums

but it wasnt the follow up....its just a punk cover album.....

And the idea of making a cover album is from the 80's, it wasn't made because they had nothing else to record after UYI's. I think it was a great ending for the UYI-tour, something light and simple.

Of course Rolling Stone has had hundreds of writers over the years, but it should be up to their editors to make sure that the magazine has a consistent point of view. If we can go back and read their previous reviews, their editors should as well.

i still think it funny they include this after the independed review by them rated tsi 4/5 :D shows a total contradiction of their own work

I dunno. Maybe it's because I was familiar with the material in it's original form and had an emotional attachment to a lot of those songs. GnR didn't really do anything new with them aside from give them a big glossy sheen which to me kind of ruins the entire intent of most of those tunes.

Maybe I'd have a different view had I discovered the originals through that album.

Don't get me wrong though, I definitely give the band a thumbs up for giving attention to that music and getting people who probably would never have heard them otherwise exposed to some classic bands. GnR doing the Misfits and the Damned just isn't my cup of tea when I have the originals close at hand.

seriously, how can you call yourself a ROCK magazine when Britney Spears and Clay Aiken have adorned your cover.  RS is so 'whogivesafuck".

5 Worst Magazines
1.  Rolling Stone
2.  Alternative Press
3.  Circus
4.  Kerrang
5.  CMJ

St. Anger went number 1 in 30 different countries around the world. That does not deserve to be on the worst list because they tried to go back to their roots, playing hard and fast. The Spaghetti Incident was not relevant to anything GNR did at the time considering UYI I and II had epic ballads that drove the album. The Stooges don't belong on the list because they are not a great band.

st anger was not a good album though compaired to their other work so i think it sits nicely into worst albums by the greatest bands

The Spaghetti Incident is a mistake and an epic failure comparable to My World.

Couldn't disagree more.  It showed the fans and the world the roots of GN'R.  That blistering version of "Hair of the Dog" along with "Down on the Farm" and "Raw Power" make the album worth getting.

Ali

I'd by the album again just for that cover of Hair Of The Dog. Matts drumming at the end is insane!

I like Black Leather, Raw Power, and Ain't It Fun. Geez-us-gawd, it is a covers album thrown together "for the fans"...nothing more. It wasn't the follow up to UYI.  However, it would have been much better if it was just an ep with Izzy on it like the original plan. : ok: The original ideas and songs were recorded during the UYI sessions but were later expanded after Izzy left-they erased his parts, added songs, blah blah blah. >:(

I think its funny that the type of covers they used to play live and on their albums were nowhere near TSI. Considering VR plays Floyd and Aerosmith covers, and GNR played Paul McCartney and whoever wrote KOHD (I think it's Dylan but everyone in their brother plays it), the TSI was nowhere indicative of their roots, but that's my opinion, which will get thrown to the wayside


have a lovely day!

I think the band's roots are many and varied.  The roots of Axl and Izzy tend to be more Stones/Dylan oriented, and since Axl largely controlled the band, those types of songs ended up on the major albums.  But I think they all have some punk influence, too (esp. Duff).