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"SonyBMG Poland reports that VR will release an EP titled 'Harmony and the Tyranny' a month before 'Libertad'. According to the report, the EP will contain two tracks from 'Libertad', as well as the Talking Heads cover 'Psycho Killer' and a video documentary about the making of 'Libertad'.

Additionally, 'Libertad' will be released on July 3 in two formats: a CD version, which will also include the documentary and a CD/DVD version, which will feature a bonus DVD with a 30-minute documentary about the 2007 South American tour. According to the reports, the final track listing for the CD is:

1. Let It Roll
2. She Mine
3. Get Out The Door
4. She Builds Quick Machines
5. The Last Fight
6. American Man
7. Mary Mary
8. Just Sixteen
9. Can?t Get It Out Of My Head
10. For A Brother
11. Spay
12. Gravedancer
13. "Making Of Libertad" documentary (multimedia section)

Please note that in comparison to recent information on online cd stores, the song 'Pills, Demons, Etc.' is no longer listed."

EDIT!!!
As you know, SonyBMG is releasing this, and with the last VR album they made it so you could not play it on some computors while downloading some weird bullshit. SO anyways, I got this from another VR board, where they noticed something about another SonyBMG release:
"Apparently Avril Lavigne's new album, which came out the same day as NIN's and debuted at the top of the charts, came in two versions. You could get the single CD, generally for $9.99, or the deluxe CD/DVD package, for around $16.99. Seems like a pretty easy decision, right: do I value the DVD or not?

But--haHA--Sony/BMG has apparently made it not that simple a decision because they did three other things with this release:

1. They made censored and uncensored versions.

2. They didn't label the censored version as "censored" and the uncensored version as "explicit", so the customer has no idea which they're getting.

3. They issued the censored version as a single CD only. And they issued the explicit version as a deluxe, more expensive, CD/DVD package.

Way to go, Sony/BMG.

http://idolator.com/tunes/sony-bmg/why-does-avril-lavignes-label-have-to-make-things-so-complicated-255274.php "

A Final track listing cool.

going to buy the CD/DVD version .

hope that the track  that didn't make the album will be bsides.

Yeah, Im going to buy the DVD/CD one too, I just hope that they dont sacrifice cool disc art for it but w/e. Also, Pills, Demons ETC will probably surface around here sometime, but I am glad they are cutting weaker tracks. It shows that they have enough strong ones that they are both confident and comfortable with. And BTW, Im glad its 12 songs. Why? Because Appetite For Destruction and Slave to the Grind were both 12 songs!  :beer:  I have a thing about 12 song albums haha :smoking:

Thanks for the info!

Maybe the Pills song has been renamed For A Brother, as I believe the Pills song is about Weilands brother.

Actually that would make sense. And IMO "For a Brother" is a better title than "Pills, Demons, ETC". The latter sounds like a demo or something to me, maybe with the "ETC", it just didnt have a good ring to it.  :beer:

FROM ANOTHER VR BOARD!!!
"Apparently Avril Lavigne's new album, which came out the same day as NIN's and debuted at the top of the charts, came in two versions. You could get the single CD, generally for $9.99, or the deluxe CD/DVD package, for around $16.99. Seems like a pretty easy decision, right: do I value the DVD or not?

But--haHA--Sony/BMG has apparently made it not that simple a decision because they did three other things with this release:

1. They made censored and uncensored versions.

2. They didn't label the censored version as "censored" and the uncensored version as "explicit", so the customer has no idea which they're getting.

3. They issued the censored version as a single CD only. And they issued the explicit version as a deluxe, more expensive, CD/DVD package.

Way to go, Sony/BMG.

http://idolator.com/tunes/sony-bmg/why-does-avril-lavignes-label-have-to-make-things-so-complicated-255274.php "

Without going too much off topic, what exactly does Avril sing about that needs censoring... :rofl:

I have no fucking Idea.

Thank god we are getting that ep a month before the album . Cause right now I', dieing to her the new album.

So no "Messages" after all?  Is it possible that the title was changed to "American Man?"

The so-called EP sounds more like a single to me.

And "Cant Get It Out Of My Head" should have been a B-Side.

Yeah, maybe we're getting the EP in place of the She Builds Quick Machines single.

I think that's part of the frustration of seeing speculated album lists, when we do finally get an official one, we wonder what happened with all the tracks that were cut...

why did they put the ELO cover on there. that is the most boring song ive heard. no messages either only 11 originals that sorta kills it

They're two different songs...


"American Man" has a slow, melodic solo that?s very trademark Slash in the way it?s reminiscent of old stuff I?ve done in the past."



"Among the standout tracks on the Brendan O'Brien-produced disc is "Messages," about 9/11 victims leaving phone messages for their loved ones." "It's not your typical love ballad," says McKagan. "It's more cerebral." - Rolling Stone

That's alittle in poor taste - don't you think?

I love Documentaries about the making of Albums.

i havent heard "cant get it out of my head"...where did you hear it?

I havent heard it.  Im speaking solely on the fact that its a cover song, and Id prefer covers to be B-Sides.

ok i didnt know it was a cover.

Think I'll buy the single CD, censored version... too much bad language these days and who would want an extra Velvet Revolver DVD...as if...I'm joking of course! Why do Sony bother doing this? When Contraband was released I bought the album only to notice a few months later there was another version with a bonus disc so I had to buy that aswell...I wish they'd just release one deluxe version, I think Sony are trying to squeeze more money out of the consumer...greedy fuckers. Can't wait to hear the album though, they're supporting The Who in Ireland this summer as well so looking forward to that too

Lucky, Lucky, Lucky you! I saw Roger perform here a few years ago. It was for 'The Ultimate Rock Symphony', Alice came too and did Pink Floyd songs. Imagine him doing a cover of "Brick in the Wall"! However, it is Townsend that I really wish to see. I dig his poetry.

well, they made her change the lyrics in that song from "constipated" to "complicated"...

So let me get this right ... the single cd will be censored, but the more expensive deluxe set will be uncensored ?

i doubt VR would issue a censored album avrils a pop artist, the censored one is for the kids maybe?

well id like to have the documentry, so ill prbz buy the bigger version anyway.

Yeah that was a crappy song , but VR will bring some life to it .

Both the Pills song and For a Brother were on the original tracklists, so I doubt it. I think its more likely Messages became "For A Brother."

Interesting to see Gravedancer as the last track, can't wait to hear Slash's aggressive blues solo he talked about, that is going to finish the album!

Sony are greedy censoring motherfuckers!!

sucks that messages isnt on there, i really enjoyed listening to that clip on the vlogs

An ELO cover is on Libertad, which song?

That really sucks!

Does anyone think there will be any kind of reimbursement plan if you don't get the cd you prefer regarding the censorsed/explicit album versions?

I'd like to see demons, pills, etc... on the album. If I'm not wrong they've recorded 18 songs on the studio and if they finally put only 12 on the album there'd be a lot of tracks out. 12 is not a bad number but 13 is better  ;D .
At least i hope to hear some of the non-album tracks as b-sides or something like this!!!  :drool:
Peace and rock on guys!!!   :beer:

Theres no garentee thats what they'll do but Avril Lavinge is on the same label (RCA devision of Sony/BMG) and its exactly the same format for the release, so its looking extremely likely.

They released a censored version of Contraband.  I only know one person who bought it but it does exist. And as someone said its not the bands choice, its the label that decides these things.

I doubt it'll be a problem for big fans who are likely to buy the CD+DVD version anyway, the problem is that a lot of casual fans or new fans won't want to pay extra for the DVD, but they won't want a censored version either and theres a good chance a lot of them will not bother buying it at all and just download it for free instead.

That will depend on the record shop I think, whether they would give you credit to trade it or not.

Really shitty of Sony to pull crap like this. Firstly they do this censored/un-censored thing, and then they reject the bands wishes and go with ...Quick Machines as the first single.

I know it's all speculation because I don't know where this site got their info from, but the Australian tracklisting for Libertad is different - it does feature Pills, Demons & Etc.

http://chaos.com/product/libertad_1492830_187653.html

Track Listing:

Disk 1
1.    Let It Roll
2.    She Mine
3.    Get Out The Door
4.    She Builds Quick Machine
5.    The Last Fight
6.    Pills, Demons & Etc.
7.    American Man
8.    Mary Mary
9.    Just Sixteen
10.    Can't Get It Out Of My Head
11.    For A Brother
12.    Spay
13.    Gravedancer

Disk 2
1.    Dvd (Pal): 30 Minute Dvd Documentary From Velvet Revolvers 2007 South American Tour



Edit: I've checked a few Australian websites and they all seem to have this tracklisting, so we're getting 13 album tracks while the rest of the world gets 12?

Can't Get It Out Of My Head is the ELO cover

I hope this to be the final