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SonyBMG Poland reports that VR will release an EP titled 'Melody and the Tyranny' a month before 'Libertad'. According to the report, the EP will contain two tracks from 'Libertad', as well as the Talking Heads cover 'Psycho Killer' and a video documentary about the making of 'Libertad'.

awesome, EPS are cool!

I would like to have seen two songs on there which didn't make libertad and I'm guessing that the video documentary are just the Vlogs pasted together, So I am not really excited about this...

i am, early listens to studio tracks plus a cover, im all for it

Exactally. This is awesome!

I wish that they would release the material they recorded with Josh Todd and Keith Nelson on an EP or something.  Call it Guns N Cherries or whatever, I'd like to hear that shit

Fucking nice .

Im REALLY excited because I saw them play Psycho Killer live in SF and it was this great Slide Guitar blues thing. I LOVED IT! :drool: :beer: BTW, Any tentative date set for this?

Sounds pretty sweet, can't wait to see what they did with "Psycho Killer"

i woulda rather here more originals then cover songs, they play enuff covers in their set why do more :-\

Thanks to Jul at the VR forum:

According to SONY BMG Germany, the EP will be titled "Melody and the Tyranny". Tracklist:

1. She Builds Quick Machines
2. Just Sixteen
3. Psycho Killer
4. Making of Libertad
5. Do It For The Kids

EP should be out June 1st.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/SligoLilo/resizeimage.jpg)

It also has details about what the Making of Libertad contains (each title is only a few seconds long):

1. She Builds Quick Machines
2. Let it Burn
3. Acoustic Guitar Improv.
4. Acoustic Guitar Song
5. Circus Theme 1
6. Circus Theme 2
7. The message you left
8. Acoustic guitar improv.
9. Pills, Demons, etc.
10. Get out the door
11. Just Sixteen
12. She builds quick machines
13. Mary Mary
14. Instrumental Improv.
15. Drumbeat
16. Muthafucka
17. Guitar Solo
18. The Last fight


http://www.sonybmg.de/artists2.php?iA=7&artist=343382&product=88697112302

That is a great album cover. Very East Berlin!  ;)

The "Making of Libertad" is obviously just the VLogs.  That would likely mean that the opening riff in VLog #3 would be "Pills, Demons, Etc."

Overall, this sounds like a pointless effort.  A geunine EP would be great, but this is really just a glorified single whose only selling point is the Talking Heads cover. 

I agree, but I'd love to hear some songs before the album comes out, so I'll definietely buy it. (Although it'd have been much better if instead of DIFTK they'd release a song that didn't make Libertad.)

I freely admit that I'm no great admirer of VR's music and I promise that I'm not trying to start an argument here, but I am genuinely interested to know whether any of the VR fans feels that the release of this EP is more of a moneyspinner than anything else.? I realise that no one is being forced to buy it but, to an outsider, it does seem to smack just a little of money-grabbing.? What are your thoughts; anyone agree and feel a bit miffed that their enthusiasm is being taken advantage of or are you just excited to be getting more VR product and feel that the more the merrier?

It appears that way.

I had no problem with the three-cover gimmick they used for the first album; I thought it simply gave buyers the option to choose their favorite.  This is a bit different, as the record company is pawning off a single as an EP.  The "documentary" is nothing more than brief clips that have been available online for months now (worse yet, it appears to be going on the album as well).  This is a very crass product with little value.  Its also a wasted opportunity to release a real EP.

The most disappointing aspect of this news, to me, is the inclusion of a cover on the album, as well as the exclusion of several previously discussed originals.

Thanks for the reply, Booker.? I think, like you, that calling it an EP is a little misleading as it does create the expectation that you're going to get something rather special.? I remember the excitement, back in the days of vinyl 7" of buying a single and flipping it over, only to discover that the B-side was an unheard gem.? As you say, it does seem a missed opportunity to give the fans a little something extra, but without knowing how much say VR have over the product released by their record company, I wouldn't like to lay the blame at their door just yet.

i feel like im going to be ripped off. i know i shouldnt buy it, but i want the songs and the 'making of' in decent quality, hehe.

though, the making of (if it is the Vlogs, which is very likely) is a complete bastard. Id expect a making of more in the style of the contraband one that was on VH1 or whatever. That was cool. I dont really want the shoddy edits that appeared on the site. When they were on the site it was cool coz it was like the band are doing it for the fans, then to release it on an 'EP' to boost the tracklisting and selling us something we can access for free is bollocks.

Ohwell... atleast I get some cool artwork from the CD. hehe.

PS: if this is sold as a jewel case then thats just another punch in the gut. Bring on the digipack, make the artwork stand out!

Im getting it! jewel case ot not!

hehe so will i... its just jewel cases seem so pathetic. digipacks are nice... look at all the nin releases for a good example of displaying artwork :)

depends how much it is.

i'm not gonna pay alot for 1 cover song. i already have contraband and I'll be buying libertad. I may watch the documentary once but seems that may be on libertad anyway :-\ seems like a cash grab to me, but hell they released contraband a hundred times too so its not beyond the scope of reality.

This is pretty cool...I'll likely pick this up just as a collecters or what have you...Is there only 1 song on here that wont be on Liberated? that being a cover?

1 from Contraband, 2 from Libertad a making of and Psycho Killer (cover)

I don't see the big rip off here. It's a single, but they call it an EP. As I said before, I'd be happier with Libertad left-overs on it, hopefully they'll release those later on another EPs. The only issue is the price... if they wanna sell it for the price of an album, it'll be a cash grab, for sure, and I won't be a part of that.

One thing to add: it'd be more of a rip-off if they didn't put the making of Libertad to the full-length album.

Id rather it wasnt on there.  Its a waste of a track.

Well, I agree. An own song instead of the cover, and a plus song instead of the 'making of' would be much better. It'd be enough to put the 'Making of' to the limited edition stuff. Casual fans don't give a shit how the record was made.

Very cool!

Come On, Come In should be on the EP.  Not DOFTK.  Come one, Come In was only available on that crappy soundtrack.

I have no problem with Psycho Killer been on there, its the inclusion of Do It For The Kids ahead of a possible leftover that's disappointing. Maybe the rest of the songs were too weak, I don't know. Calling it an EP is clearly an attempt by the record industry to save singles.

As for the documentary, I'm confused why they would put it on both EP and album, surely they'd sell more if they only put it on the EP?

Maybe I'm wrong, but don't EP's normally imply some live tracks? Maybe DIFTK is live?Its 18 seconds longer than the contraband version so its clearly different. :beer:

i dont get it..

so its basically 2 songs a month before the album comes out.   Along with a cover tune.   And a live version of a mediocre song from the last album.

I'll give them a dollar for it!

Can't wait for this shit :peace: This is going to be a great year when it comes to music..

Not going to buy this. :no:

That won't be out this year. Next year will be better AC/DC are touring! : ok:

Hey will this EP be out in Australia at the same time?? I asked for any new info on new VR and they said the new CD will be out on June 30th?

Yeah, that's great too : ok: Hope they will visit Finland once again.


Very... ummm.. interesting.

Your not the familiar with the idea of singles, are you? It's just a way of promoting the album rather than make money, moreso these days. Dunno why they decided to call it an EP - i guess coz there's 2 album tracks, I dunno.

As Do It For The Kids rocks - awesome riff, brilliant live too. Shame Slash didn't have  a longer solo.

It's so people will think, "wow an EP I have to have this". It's a way for them to make more money, same goes for the multiple format albums and the multiple covers. Its all a way for them to make more money and sell more albums.

That song is just filler, IMHO.

It's a single, what the big deal? You don't have to buy it.

Why add in DIFTK?

THat song was average and why is it on there?

Maybe they have a good live version.

lol, i see my joke post was taken out. oh well. sorry for having a laugh.? ::)

back on topic, yes... im hoping its a decent live version. gotta love properly mastered live tracks :D bring it on!

l'm definetly gettin it : ok:

Has any retailers or internet sites started advertising it?

I'm a sucker for things like this, I like collector items. But to have two new tracks and a live track along with a documentary all in one isn't going to be a bad purchase... It is a bit of a money spinner but fans will buy this. The documentary would be much more enjoyable if they put more into it than just the website vlogs. Perhaps the vlogs are only snippets of the full documentary

Well no it's not the record company, it was the bands idea to put this thing out:


http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=72662

So Duff says it was their idea while Booker wants to blame the record company.

The "GN'R fans" who never want to give GN'R the benefit of the doubt are doing just that for VR.

Let's see how Booker weasels his way out of this one.  :hihi:

I'm sure it'll be amusing.




/jarmo

I obviously made my comment before that Duff interview.  Now that I know its the bands idea, I blame the band.

Go on, say what you really think of this.



/jarmo

Nobody wants to hear you two bicker. and why even bring up "GNR fans"- what does that have to do on the VR section of the board? can't we keep this to PM or something...

If I'm not wrong, this is a Guns N' Roses message board made by a GNR fan for GNR fans. Some of the GNR fans in here may like VR, that's why this section is here.

Are you suggesting that there are non-gnr fans in this forum?

it's been made clear that certain boards are for certain topics. this is not the "guns n roses" section. by your logic i could bring up slash iand izzy and steven and matt in every GNR thread, right? Jarmo's blatantly trolling this section to bait people. whatever. it's embarrassing... -1 karma...

Have you ever heard of the story of the boy who cried wolf? The moral of that story should go a long way in explaining why there might be a major difference in the credibility of the 2 bands and why one may be more likely to be given the benefit of the doubt.

I, as well as many others would be very interested in hearing your rational for why you think GNR has a shred of credibility left given their track record that warrants giving them the benefit of the doubt. Hell, their own manager last year confirmed many theories board members had that you used to call bullshit about what was the true story when people doubted the bands excuses.

I understand that given your relationship in relation to the band makes it so that you have to publicly believe and promote whatever they say even if you privately know otherwise, but even you have to see why one would be more likely to be given the benefit of the doubt than the other. It's hardly like we are comparing apples to apples here.

You'll have to forgive him. He has spent a lot of years having to talk things like what color shir Axl is wearing, who is still in the band or not, or rehashes of concert memorial threads celebrating their 15 year anniverseries. He is probably just excited to release that pent up frustration and actually have something fresh and new to talk about here in the VR section. Who can really blame him for being so excited about things he decided to join us. VR is turning into Jarmo's version of the 7 year itch, except just a little more frequent.

Maybe if you'd been dealing with these same people posting about how GN'R is "shitty business" for the last few years and then say nothing when VR fucks up, you'd notice how fucking amusing things are.

GN'R cancels a show = blame Axl
VR cancels a show = blame management

You tell me how these "GN'R fans" can always blame Axl for everything but when something happens to VR, they'll give them the benefit of the doubt and start blaming the people around the band.


We have certain people like Naupis here who keeps going on and on about how shitty GN'R is. Yet, VR fucks up and it's ok! No talk about "poor fans who bought tickets" or "shitty management for booking these gigs. The band should've known what was going on!".



There's a handful of VR fans who are here claiming to be GN'R fans. Just because you went to a GN'R show last year doesn't really mean shit. It doesn't mean you can spew your bullshit on a GN'R board day after day.

Stop acting like you're some kind of objective fan. You're just as biased as the rest of us. Only you're on the wrong side of the fence to be on a GN'R site.




/jarmo

Maybe because VR haven't fucked people over as much as guns .

Not everything that goes wrong in the guns camp is Axl's fault but a dude does bare some responsibility for things .

I do love how you claim to know that some people are only claiming to be GN'R fans. that is only your opinion.

Really?


Is five the quota?

Jarmo can you please stay on topic.

Haha!

True. I didn't dislike them in 2005 or even in early 2006. Then I saw the real thing live in 2006 and realized what it was all about!

I heard songs that actually sounded amazing, not just "good"......



Now, maybe you could please post your thought on how the band is ripping off its fans as you were sort of suggesting....





/jarmo

So your entire opinion of VR is incumbent upon GNR, yet you take issue with others who bring up GNR when defending VR.


And that initiated your intense dislike of VR?  Because theyre good but you dont like their songs as much as GNRs?  Also, it took you to actually see a GNR show to realize that?  Odd.



 ???

I already made my post on it; I think its an unnecessary, crass product.  The statement I made about the record company applies to the band as well...as I already said.

The difference between you and me is I don't see concert cancellations as a major fuck up when the reason is because they have to promote their album release. It was retarded to schedule those dates in the vacinity of time the album could be released, but album promotion takes precedent over those shows when if the album isn't promoted and tanks there will be no shows to even worry about.

If they were cancelling the gigs to sit on their ass and do nothing, or do something that could easily wait 10 days and wasn't an urgent issue I would be the first one to say it is fucked up.

GNR cancelling the gigs at the end and beginning of the fall tour last year was fucked up because they weren't releasing that album any time soon and everyone knew that. To cancel shows to work on something that wasn't going to be released for at least a year was fucked up because there was no need as it is not like it was coming out any sooner because they didn't play those shows.

For whatever reason you can't see the difference in validity of the reasons the shows were cancelled in the 2 cases. That is fine, but don't complain about me not being pissed off at them because I frankly agree with the decision that promoting the album takes precedent over those shows.

I would also have agreed with GNR cancelling the shows last fall had it been to ensure a fall 2006 release instead of a winter 2007 release. It is pretty obvious there is enough of a window with a 365 day period that playing those extra shows would have had exactly zero effect on the progress of that CD.


I promise you Jarmo I will be a monster fan boy just like you the day I have that album in my hand. As I have told you repeatedly I am a huge fan of Axl Rose's music, and I have put my money where my mouth is by going to shows and cheering like everyone who loves the music.

We differ significantly in that you endorse and encourage the lunacy that has significantly tarnished the GNR name over the past 10 years from the lofty heights it once stood. I look at the GNR situation as one of them having a problem in need of an intervention to stop the continued downward spiral.

I would be the person telling them to straighten their life out because they were throwing all of their potential and success away while you would be the one endorsing their behavior as a good thing even though it is just going to facilitate a continued downward spiral.

Now tell me who in that scenario loves the band more? The person who can't stand to see them tarnish their name and throw away their reputation as revered rock Gods, or the one who thinks it is great, encourages them and facilitates a forum for them to do so.

You will of course dodge that question because it will discredit your entire premise that I hate the band, but you need to some how reconcile that my negativity is a rejection of the continued attempt to destroy Guns legacy and not a reflection of my love of the music.

There is an old saying at interventions, hate the drug and not the person. In this case the drug is the downward spiral the band's actions are causing to erode the Guns legacy, and that is what I hate. You on the other hand would be labeled an enabler, and judging by your endorsement of the actions that continue to devalue the Guns name I suspect you will gloss right over my post.

well said :peace:

Thought Axl was the management these days!
I think its pretty shit from both sides. A band should have a plan very much set well in advance. I mean Iron Maiden are testiment to that. I'm sure there manager Rod Smallwood has them always planned 5 years ahead. And Merck is also linked to Maiden (well its says so on their albums anyway) so surely he could've briought that kind of continuity for the Guns?

I imagine the VR fans who got their tickets for those dates cancelled (luckily the Glasgow date for me is unaffected atm) are extremely pissed off, I mean these dates were only announced about 4 weeks ago and suddenly they've had a change of heart? That's pretty poor for their fans I'd say.

Hopefully they'll learn from this as it's only really the fans who suffer here.

As far as I know the VR guys wanted to release Libertad in early May, but the record company put it off till earls July. Hence they felt the need to cancel (postpone?) the original dates. Well, it's kinda bad move towards those fans who wanted to go to these shows, but they wanted to promote the album. Time will tell if it was a good marketing move. For sure, it wasn't a fan friendly move. BTW Jarmo, I'd love to see you giving the benefit of doubt to VR, and sometimes saying that not everything is perfect in the GN'R world.  :peace:

I don't think you're the right person to talk about that.



My opinion on VR is based on what I hear and what I read.

I think their singer is an overrated clown who should keep his mouth shut.




How many times do I need to explain it?

I thought they were pretty good, but then I realized I had been missing GN'R and VR was only good because they were a substitute for the real thing. I tried to see this guy as the front man I read you guys make him to be, but then I realized he's got nothing on the top guys. Then he started talking..... That was it.

I prefer to drink real coffee, but if there's nothing else around sometimes instant coffee will do the trick too.

I've explained this over and over, but I don't understand what a STP/Weiland fan is doing on a GN'R board.



Naupis, I get it. Everything said against GN'R/Axl is the truth. Everything they say are lies. That's what you're saying. I get it. And nothing VR does needs to be questioned because they tell the truth and they're a bunch of honest guys who just want to rock for their fans. No need to explain.



/jarmo

And thats what it really comes down to.  You got your feelings hurt by Weilands comments on Axl and instead of ignoring VR, as someone who truly didnt care would do, youve chosen to hold a full-blown vendetta, which includes incessantly making negative posts in this section.



Then allow me to edify you: its possible to like both bands and their singers.  :o

Since you have trouble understanding. The music is kinda boring and doesn't do anything to me.

It doesn't make me go "holy shit, this is awesome". The lyrics don't make me think "wow, that's great!" and Scott doesn't make me go "that's one hell of a front man, I'm glad to be here watching this show".


His comments were like the icing on the cake.

Ignoring them? They're the ones who keep talking shit. They do the same things GN'R get attacked for. It's ironic.


Gotta give credit to Slash. Seems like for the first time in about ten years he came to his senses and wouldn't talk about Axl in an interview.




/jarmo

Thats because the GNR management is a sad joke and its been like that for years.  VR communicates with the fans, updates them on how things are going, post videos from inside the studio, and most importantly.... releases music.  Theres just a whole lot less bullshit, it isnt complicated.  Yeah, they cancelled a lot of shows and fans are pissed off, but it doesnt change everything else they have done.  With GNR its just like one thing after another, and as awsome of a band they are it just seems like they never fail to disapoint.

This is a good point. Look, I dont think canceling shows is ever a good idea, but with VR at least there is a goal in mind and a clear reason for it.? We KNOW why they are canceling these shows and we know what it will lead to (the album coming out on July 3). That doesn't make it right, but it's a hell of a lot better than canceling shows becuase Weiland decided to stay in his hotel and watch the Knicks game.


Who talks shit? When have Duff or Slash or Matt ever said anything negative about Chinese Democracy or the new music? When have they ever said "Yeah, this new album is way better than Chinese Democracy" or "I'm glad we found Scott because he's sooooo much better than Axl".

Never, if I'm not wrong.

After hearing the 4 new songs from Libertad, maybe they are not in conditions of saying anything negative about GNR's new music, or any other new music

personally i thought those 4 previews were good.....

i guess everyones so caught up with crossing keyboards and industrial music styles and whatever other random shit into rock, they forgot what actual plain good ol  rock n roll was about.

Well, VR can do no good in your eyes. You Axlites are pathetic.

Consider yourself warned for insulting other board members.




Axl told us why, and he did what he said he was gonna do.

It doesn't get any fucking clearer than that but you guys keep ignoring simple facts.  ::)


I will repeat this since it doesn't seem like many of you remember it.

This band claims to be unpredictable etc in interviews, yet they do what their record company tells them to and cancel shows just like most other bands signed to major labels.

If the shows were really important, maybe they could've told the record company to push back the release two more weeks?

This is the kind of posts we see as soon as GN'R does (or doesn't do) something.

Why? Why not? Why this, why that?

But here with VR everything is sooo clear and there's nothing wrong with the band.


Even the band themselves are admitting that they almost broke up and yet there's nothing wrong. Every bad thing said about the band are from GN'R fans apparently.

Slash was in rehab, but apparently that can't be true since he's been clean for years. Another rumor made up by "jealous" GN'R fans.....  ::)



I mean, I don't care for any other reason than what I see amuses me.

I know they're just playing the game. It comes with being signed to these labels I guess. But the way they talk about themselves is amusing.

Unpredictable......




Less bullshit?

Rehab, clothes burning, jail, canceled shows, band fighting......


Of course they'll update you. It's harder to come back if you're off the radar.....




/jarmo

Axl said they were canceling shows to work on the album and have it out by March.

The album did not come out by March and they scheduled a new tour which subsequently had shows canceled from IT as well.

If Libertad mysteriously doesn't come out in July then maybe you have a point here, but right now the future is clear for VR fans and not so much for GNR fans.


Where did they ever claim to be unpredictable? Please lead me to the quote where Slash said "Ohhh look at me, I'm unpredictable!" I'd love to read it. But yeah,  there is an unpredictable element to the band. Denying that is ridiculous. Tomorrow Scott Weiland could turn up in some halfway house in downtown L.A. in a huge heroin bust. Who the hell knows? Most of it is just trying to put forth an "image" and every band does that. GNR still claims to be the "most dangerous band in the world". What exactly is so dangerous? That Axl might show up at midnight as opposed to 10 p.m.?


I honestly don't even know what the hell you're talking about here. What exactly are you trying to argue? Slash was in rehab, the band was having trouble.. we know that.. you know why? Because they TOLD US. Slash told us he went to rehab. Duff told us they almost broke up.

It's a lot more clear than the revolving door of GNR where guitarists and drummers magically disappear with no mention as to what happened to them. THAT is why people get angry. What exactly is the debate here?

That last line is bull, speak for yourself

But whats your point? ?Thats just cutting into their personal lives, besides the canceled shows none of those things you mentioned are relevant. ?Scott Weilands wife setting clothes on fire... are you serious?

And dont be pulling shit out of your ass, they never faught. ?They said for a while with Rick Rubin that nothing was happening and that they just didnt have any goals, thats complications with the producer, not a fight. ?


You really hate this band, dont you?

They never fought? I suppose Matt was lying last year when he said the band almost broke up because of what Slash said at Axls house?

Correction:

The members of Velvet Revolver are all best friends and they never argued about anything.

This band has always done the right thing and unlike every other artist on this planet, they've never made mistakes or fooled anybody.

Everything they say is the truth.

Hooray for Velvet Revolver!

 :)




/jarmo

They haven't.

They're 100% honest.

I've seen the light!



/jarmo

They're a good band Velvet Revolver... I still prefer Axl's voice but VR have recorded some excellent rocking music... they're the same guys we were listening to 20 years with GnR, they're still awesome musicians...don't understand why some GnR fans slag them off so much...

Or you could have just said, "I really don't have any reply for what you guys are saying, so I'm just going to make ridiculous general statements about things that nobody in this thread is actually talking about and pretend like I'm making a point!"

Yeah, thats exactly what were saying ::)

Youre like a fucking kid, what the hell?

but you really ARE a kid, you are like 15.  what do think you are doing?  insulting the admin like that, you'll get yourself banned.

He never came right out and said it, but remember the interview where he said he didn't want to talk about it because it caused a huge rift within the band?

And of course slash refuted saying it, he had no other choice. You really think he would come out and say "Yeah I said those things to Axl!"

16 ;)

And so what if I'm 16? ?At least Im not resulting to lame shit like that in a discussion

Is this better?

"That was an immature post"

Is this coming out in Australia??????? Anyone..I asked about this and ive heard nothing apart from the New CD out on the 30th of June.. : ok:

no, not really... if you know its an immature post you just shouldnt post it. or atleast make it clear that your playing around with a poster you get on with with the aid of smileys etc...

personally... i cant wait for jarmo to read that post and open his can of whoop-ass. :D

According to JB Hi-Fi it is coming out 1st June:

http://www.jbhifionline.com.au/music/id/1034302

(http://www.jbhifionline.com.au/jbhifi/productimage/ovr_lrg/302/1034302.jpg)

I don't think Jarmo is fair against the fans of both bands. Just because Jarmo thinks VR sucks doesn't mean they do really suck in other GNR fans eyes and ears. And I don't understand why he has the need to come in here and start endless arguments, he tries to prove his point that VR sucks and that Scott is a joke but he's never gonna win.
In many people's eyes, Axl is a bigger joke than Scott.

Awesome thanks for the info.. : ok:

I would say to the VR hater : you don't know shit. It's the same answer you say to GNR haters so you don't know shit for sure. You are just a fan like us, running a board behind his computer and so what ? Slash was in GNR, I think it gives him credibility to speak about Axl the way he wants and to tell his side of story.

And I don't think it's fair to attack VR fans just to take your "revenge" : ok there were some assholes insulting GNR but they represented a minority and a lot love GNR and VR. So please stop trying to give a bad image of VR, the only thing you are doing is to ruin GNR credibility when you are acting like that, because you are linked to band management... But I'm going to close my ass because I don't know shit about you  : ok:

each bands fans have a group of assholes and haters that try and cause shit by posting in the opositions board area.

each band has gained respect in the music industry by releasing succesful albums, singles and videos.

each band has had succesful sell out tours.

Velvet Revolver have a strong army of Guns N Roses fans.

Guns N Roses have a strong army of Velvet Revolver fans.

3 Velvet Revolver members were members of Guns N Roses in the past. They have had good times with Axl and bad times with Axl... they have the right to talk any which way about him they like... just as Axl has in the past by slamming ex-Guns N Roses members during tour rants etc.

Each fan base gets worked up about what the oposition says regarding their favoured band and pays jack shit attention to what their band is saying about the other fans band... People have opinions and thats cool. Just stop been childish.  :peace:

Oh Jarmo, Jarmo, Jarmo...
the RAGE!! :rofl: I love it!! What drives such wild emotions? It is an absolute joy to trawl through VR threads with bated breath to read what bitter insertions you will spew into a topic.
Why does Scott's outbursts bother you so much? It's all just rock and roll!! He insulted Axl, so what? Sticks and stones dear boy,  sticks and stones.
Your trainwreck arguments and sweeping statements have awed even your most hardened supporters. You're often quite alone in your venting in threads  these days, very little back up is evident and I think we all know why.
Many VR fans (who are also GNR fans) like Naupis have tried very, very hard to meet you half way on the various issues you have with VR. You generally reply with accusations that they are driven by their blind hatred of GNR and blind love of VR when it is obvious to all that it is simply not the case. What happened to you?

I'll tell you why the rest of the GN'R fans don't post here....


They know what's going on. Just because I see the humor in it doesn't mean the rest of the world believe that this band really is an unpredictable rock band with the greatest front man in rock!

 :rofl:



/jarmo

The more you try to convince others that your obvious bitterness is simple "amusement," the less believable it becomes. 

There's no bitterness.  :-* Lots of laughs.


The greatest band in the world is about to rock Mexico, Australia, New Zealand and Japan.

Exciting times ahead.






/jarmo

Jarmo? The Stones are playing Mexico?

Nah not the stones it surely must be Queen...

I think he's talking about Guns N' Roses, not the stones.

Some of the people in this forum (me included) believe that Guns N' Roses is the greatest band in the world.


Queen doesnt exist anymore. Now it's called Queen + Paul Rodgers

At least attempt to stay on topic here guys.

Thanks,
Falcon

At least June 1st is almost here!

Um, because they don't really care?

You know what, I believe that the reason you as well as certain other 'die hard' GN'R fans constantly post in this section to put VR down is because you are actually jealous about the reviews, attention and the fact that they are releasing an album.

As far as I'm concerned, if you really didn't care about what VR were doing, you would have skimmed right over this section. If you really were only interested in keeping up with what they were doing, you would have just read through topics and not post shit.

Yeah were all jealous of vr's success blah blah blah. Get over yourself man, I couldn't give a flying fuck if vr sold a billion records. I'm not a fan of them so I really don't care. I just find it funny how so many people here are brainwashed into liking them just because slash and duff are in the band. Open your eyes, even slash admitted in an interview a few years ago that the only reason formed the band was because they needed money.  ::)

Any source/quotes from that interview?

I cant remember what Interview it was, it might have been the VH1 documentary thing I can't really remember and I have no idea where to find the interview. It was definitely a video interview, I think in it he was riding in a limo? If that helps figure out which one it was...

Have you taped this dream of yours? Please upload to youtube!  :beer:

What a load of rubbish I'm after reading through...how can people say VR are shit?... of course they're not, they don't have as great a frontman as Axl Rose but they're a very credible band. I am a Velvet Revolver fan because I grew up listening to that type of music and GnR where my favourite band, now the guys, Slash & Duff are still playing rock music only with a different singer. Its frustrating to hear people slag off their ex-heroes...tut! tut! tut!

Word!

... and since your post doesn't have a word worth reading as usual, thank you for proving my post.

Only a couple of days until I have this EP in my hands! ;D

JB Hi-Fi says that it's out here on the 1st June, and being that Australia is ahead in timezone compared to most of the world, I'll be sure to post the very first review (in the world!) for you all! : ok:

God.. Supergroups are cool.

So?  If Axl needed money and was forced to reunite with the old band, I'd still support him.

Professional artists make art for a living.  That's what they do.  Slash and Duff forming a band is no different than my favorite film maker being hired to make a movie.  I can't believe you're trying to use that as a critism.  I mean, say you dislike the music.  But hating the band because they get paid?  Wow... 

I wasn't nuts about VR's first album.  I actually think it sucks.  But I like those guys as artists because they made some of my favorite rock music of all time.  It's sad that they're not able to back up the greatest front man in the world any more.  But I don't feel the need to hate them for it.  They're still the same guys who wrote and recorded a lot of great music I enjoy.  I'm glad they're still making music. 

Same with CD.  I don't really like the leaks all that much.  But I'm a fan of Axl's, and I'll always be excited to hear his new music. 

Can you all please stick to the fucking topic. :rant: : ok:

look, just open your eyes and see that there are genuine velvet revolver fans. it works either way.

BACK ON TOPIC:
Cant wait to get to the shops for the EP now. Despite it been a rip-off... oh well. Its something for the collection :D  :beer:

and ive just become a VIP  :peace: woo. lol.

It's only priced at $4.95 here in Australia, that ain't a rip off at all.

How much is it priced for you guys and gals?

oh, it can't be too bad then. Last i head it wasnt much cheaper than buying a full album. Obviously not the case... my 'rip-off' comment no longer stands.

EDIT:
Just checked... ?3.99 off amazon.co.uk. Thats pretty cool? : ok:

It's cheap in Sweden too!

June 1st is a thrusday. Are you sure its not June 6th?

June 1st is this Friday actually, but lately stuff seems to get gets released here on Saturdays, so maybe JB Hifi are jumping the gun a bit when they say they'll have it on the 1st. Either way, I'll be heading down there to check it out.

I checked amazon.ca for Canada and it said it will be released on the 7th, and it's posted on HMV's site as June 4th. It's only less than a  week and with the hockey play-offs next week will be here in no time.

Plus then it's only little over 3 weeks and I'll have their new cd.

me  want  !Libertad! ...  :drool:

Hmm for that price I might actually pick it up...

Same here. If it is available here, that is. When is it coming out again?

Wow, 4,95$ is very cheap =P Or is the Australian dollar much different from U.S.? Anyway, in Finland it's 7,99? not that bad either..

$4.95 in Australia is the price we pay for a single. Full albums over here range from $20 up to $30, depending where you buy from, so $4.95 for an EP is peanuts! : ok:

The earliest I've heard of is this friday...

According to Amazon, the US release date is June 7.

I rang JB Hi-fi last night and they said they'd have the EP instore on Saturday.

thats a thursday. Cds dont come out in US on thursdays.

Probably June 5. at least thats what vr press release said!

Cool. Next Tueday I'll be picking up the new VR EP, Cornell and Manson albums!

ill be picking up VR EP, cornell, and probably Teslas new covers album

if the stores have the ep ill be buying it, the poison cover cd, tesla's new cd along with the cornell disc

heh, im buying all those cds too :hihi:

VELVET REVOLVER: 'Melody And The Tyranny' Audio Samples Available - June 1, 2007

The German branch of Sony BMG has uploaded audio samples of three of the tracks that are featured on VELVET REVOLVER's European EP, "Melody and the Tyranny", which is being released today. The EP contains two tracks from the band's new CD, "Libertad", as well as TALKING HEADS cover "Psycho Killer" (which was recorded during the "Libertad" sessions) and a video documentary about the making of "Libertad". The track listing is as follows:

01. She Builds Quick Machines (4:02)02. Just Sixteen (3:59)
03. Psycho Killer (4:13)
04. Making Of Libertad (10:30)
05. Do It For The Kids (4:13)

Check out the artwork at this location.

Bassist Duff McKagan told Launch that the EP is aimed at giving fans a taste of the new record before the band hits the European festival circuit in June. "You know, you would like for people to know your material before you play it. So we're gonna put out an EP ? we convinced the record company ? we're gonna put out a CD/EP with, you know, extra, like, video footage of South America and stuff on it. And we're gonna put a cover of 'Psycho Killer' that we did on there, just some extra stuff."


"Libertad" will be released on July 3 in two formats: a CD version, which will also include the documentary, and a CD/DVD version, which will feature a bonus DVD with a 30-minute documentary about the 2007 South American tour.

"Libertad" final track listing:

01. Let It Roll
02. She Mine
03. Get Out The Door
04. She Builds Quick Machines
05. The Last Fight
06. American Man
07. Mary Mary
08. Just Sixteen
09. Can't Get It Out Of My Head
10. For A Brother
11. Spay
12. Gravedancer
13. "Making Of Libertad" documentary (multimedia section)

http://www.sonybmg.de/artists2.php?iA=1&artist=343382&product=88697112302

Source: http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=73699

no pills, demons etc. on libertad?? its on the tracklist on lots of sites

Just listened to the full version of just 16 and I've got to say this is a kickass song, got some catchy vocal melodies and some vintage slash soloing, buy the mix is just too muddy ?ou can hardly make out what the lyrics are at times...

where did you hear it?

It was released in some countries today(not mine)....well be creative  ;)

oh man, now that I know people have it, how am I going to wait until tuesday :-X

anyone feeling generous? :hihi:

I thought the belief was that they changed the name of the song to "For A Brother".

Anybody??

Right?

The few lyrics I can understand are pretty cool. ?

But honestly, I listen to VR for guitar rock. ?As long as I can pick out the melody, i could really give a shit about the specific words.

maybe they did. because pills, demons etc. IS about scotts brother who had addictions and died of them.

So, It would make sense. BUT, pills, demons etc. is a much better title than for a brother.

ALTHOUGH, according to people who have heard the cd at listening parties or have the cd for review, all said Pills, demons Etc. IS on the album

i'll second that

Oh don't get me wrong, I could give a fuck about lyrics I only listen to the guitar but sometimes it's nice to actually understand what a song is about...

well, I would guess its about the same subject "hot for teacher" is :hihi:

^^ :hihi:

I've got to say that this is really the best VR song I've heard yet it's been stuck in my head all day now  :drool:

I want to hear it!!

i wish it was available here in america

'Just 16' is great as well as 'Psycho Killer'. Great songs live, even better studio tracks.

For the record, Play.com started shipping the EP today...

the songs (without the bonus videoes) are out on some torrent sites   ::)

anyone find that weilands lyrics are VERY different to what he usualy writes??

usually he writes gibberish that doesnt make sense, but these songs I must say are very classic rock sort of. about sex, women etc.

and just regular rock lyrics...

thats the one thing that stood out to me hearing these songs. How un weiland the lyrics really seem to be.

If youre referring to his use of characters and narrative, hes done it before.  Perhaps not in VR, but in STP -  "Too Cool Queenie" and "Art School Girl," for example.

Got the EP today, and of all the mp3s, web streams and audio snippets I've heard, they have nothing on CD quality of these tracks. The production is VERY polished, almost too much in some parts, but all the tracks rock, that's for sure.

Just 16 studio doesn't pack as much punch as the live version, as it's a cleaner Slash sound, which he also mentioned in the recent guitar mag interview. The solos sound killer though. Oh, and I think someone mentioned that the "just 16" bit is only sung live, but that's not true. It is sung on the studio version, it's just a bit low in the mix. Sounds like Duff singing or something, or maybe Slash. Those two sound alike.

Psycho Killer I've never been much of a fan of, but for a song I don't really like, the band does it pretty good justice. Some nice slide guitar playing from Slash on there.

The Making of Libertad is a compilation of the web blogs, but the weird thing about it is that everyone's t-shirts are blurred out, as well as some faces, which is quite odd.

Do It For The Kids is live from Houston video and looks and sounds killer.

Overall I get an STP vibe from the studio songs, very much along the lines of Shangri-LadiDa production. Everything sounds a bit poppy, and not as dirty bluesy rock as I was hoping. But it's still pretty cool though. I urge everyone to pick it up, to support the band and get this in the charts too! : ok:

thanks for the review metallex78, im getting pretty excitred for this now, anyone know if it available anywhere in the U.S. yet? or is it looking like we'll be getting this no sooner than tuseday?

Hey..I got the CD today as well and it sounds great....Only $5 My only problem is that i was hopeing for some new Making of clips but there was nothing that we havent seen befor apart from all of the shirts faded out which is odd  but there is a few diff pics and secs that we havent seen. Love the Do it for the kids Video..verry nice ... :beer:

The Talking Heads' cover is the best thing on the EP. :(

Do you think it has re-recorded vocals?,? 'cause I think it has...



At first I hated the cover but it's really growing on me...

But why exactly do you think the cover is better than "just 16"

I do think the Vocals on DIFTKs were re recorded..But i think this was intended to be the video for the song when it was out..Its an awesome vid.. : ok:

I changed my mind- "Just Sixteen" is awesome. Best song yet from the album.

Wow, it was quick  :hihi:   I have yet to find the hidden treasures of Just 16 though, I like the other two tracks better, but it's only the second time I listen the songs.

im really liking this EP despite not liking SBQM when i downloaded the free version last month

 :beer:

How do you get this single in America?

Wait until Tuseday...

psycho killer is on top 1 of all the VR studio covers  : ok: :beer: :smoking:

naah surrender is :headbanger:

Surrender sounds too much like the original.

do we know if the ep will be available in america on itunes?

there aerosmith cover owns.

no more no more is the best cover

With this EP be available in say, Best Buy?

What a cluster fuck.  How is it not on itunes yet!  I am in the dark!  Shit!

Is this thing released yet? I can't find it anywhere. :rant:

anyone in europe been able to get it yet? just wondering if I'll find it in any record stores here in Brussels. don't wanna go to town for nothing!

But you can go and visit the Mannekin Piss!!

I got it today in my mail from play.com...

9.49 euros delivered.

They didn't have it at Newbury Comics in Boston and it's not on order from the ware-house.

I don't know if this has been mentioned, but on an email I got from Eil, it said that the UK version of the EP (which will probably be released to Europe) will be limited to 5.000 copies.

I got a copy today from hmv in the uk. Cost me 3.99, great stuff. Im gad i got it didnt realisei was lmited

I am from US and looked at sites for Circuit City & Best Buy and they both had this as a import.

It looks like VR gave one to the Europe fans and shafted the US.  It will cost me $12.00 to get it through one of them.

I wanted this too.

I went on my lunch break to a local independant record store and to a best buy and neither one of them had it here in NJ. Best Buy said you could order it online but it was $12 before shipping so fuck that. I am curious how much it's going for here in the states if anyone has managed to find it.

that little piss is overrated.
I'd rather check out the Atomium, but that's just because I can do so from my bathroom window.

I live in the US and I just went to Best Buy online and it is an import and it's not available in stores for diret pick here in the US and for that I say: Fuck You, Velvet Revolver.

You do know why this was released to europe only right?, otherwise you might want to take that back...

Being in the UK and taking a thought out guess. Id say its rather obvious it being released here because theyre currently on tour here, i may be wrong

You're right, I don't. Give me a good reason and I might take it back. It's still bullshit. They've never said anywhere that this was UK only. Further, they've had plenty of time to say otherwise. In fact every time they've ranted and raved about the new CD coming out. It wouldn't hurt to say: By the way . . . .

i live in the US and my copy arrived today, i bought mine from http://www.amazon.co.uk/  :beer:

Got mine yesterday. And a copy of Scrubs season 5.

I didnt go much on their cover of Psycho Killer, wasnt bad but not to good either. SBQM was cool and I also liked Just 16. The making of was pretty shit. It was like 5 mins long and showed fuck all of anything interesting about recording the album.
I am looking forward to the Album though.


 :peace:

I agree it was pretty lame to release just to Europe only.  It has two songs on it not on the album.  Live DIFTK and Psycho Killer.  How the fuck with out ordering through the nose, are we supposed to hear this music.  It is rediculous. 

So was this only released in Europe/Australasia?


 :peace:

yeah...

Thats stupid. Why do bands do that?


 :peace:

Well, technically, they don't - their labels / management really have more to do with that decision than the band themselves.

Agreed, though - it does seem like a bit of a nonsense.
All things considered, though - it's hardly VR's fault.

It's more than likely some business decision that has nothing to do with them..

I don't think it would be too much for the band to say: Hey why not have a limited release in the US. Seriously, 10,000 or so. It will at least make a little money and that's what the labels are in it for anyway.

Picked it up today- $5 (Aussi) bargin!
Just 16 is great, but after initial listens I can't make out what the hell Scott is singing in the chorus  ???
SBQM has really grown on me, love the song. I don't give a fuck if people think the lyrics are cheesy or whatever, it's an awesome, rocking song.
Psycho Killer is interesting. I quite like their approach, and Duff sonds great on it. My main gripe is Scott sounds pretty emotionless in the verses. But I like it. Though I'm a huge fan of the Talking Heads original.
Haven't checked out the multi media section yet though.

For $5 I think this is great value. When I first heard about this I thought it was a way to rip off the fans etc. but for the price of a single (which it pretty much is for SBQM) you get to hear two songs from the album before it's released, a cover not on the album, a 'making of' video (granted, it's apparently the video blogs, but still), and a live video. Very happy with the VR crew!

Bastards.    Not in Canada either I guess?

Does the record company think they would sell less copies then manufactured in the US and Canada?


 :peace:

maybe its for promotional use in europe and australia to make it known that the new album is coming soon. A form of promotion because they cant make it out here before the album is released

Not being part of the record company or VR's management, I have no idea mate.

I do agree it seems silly not to release it in the US & Canadian markets, but hey they obviously have their reasons.
The point I'm making is simply that I'm pretty sure this decision was not down to the 5 guys in the band, but was made over their heads. I felt the need to mention that after seeing (can't remember who posted it, and can't be bothered to look...) posts along the lines of "Well, if you're not releasing it in the USA, but you're releasing it in Europe, then FUCK YOU, VR!!!!" which is ignorant, childish & not to mention taking the whole thing waaaaaaay too fucking seriously.

At the end of the day, the records' going to be out everywhere in a little over 3 weeks. So it's no big deal.
I'm "lucky" enough to be able to go to a store & pick it up, but C'mon, it's a single.
We've all heard "..Quick Machines" on the download, "Psycho Killer" is a cover, so you're only missing one song if anything really.

My advice to anyone getting angry about not being somewhere were they can buy this CD yet is simply relax.
I mean, it's only rock n' roll. You'll get the whole record in 3 weeks wherever you are.

If you're not releasing it in the US, then FU, VR

its the record company has say in this, not VR

Riiiiiiiiiight.
Like I said before, it wouldn't be that hard to ask.
Or at least say something about it while they're out pimping the new CD. Oh, by the way, all you people in America waiting for the EP, don't. It ain't coming to you.

So order it from overseas... there's probably not a big enough market for this EP to make it worth releasing in the US (plus the whole purpose was for people going to the shows to be familiar with some of the new stuff they will be playing).

Besides which, who cares?  You're only getting the cover of Psycho Killer... the other songs will be released in a couple of weeks anyways.

dude stop complaining and just accept that its not going to be released in the US, your not going to get anything out of complaining so why even bother.

i went to my local record store and they didnt even have it on the system....i asked the guy why it wouldnt be on there and he said cuz the singles market is dead in north america

Actually, I wanted it for the Psycho Killer cover.
But, I'm over it now.

well, Im IN Europe, and I have been to 5 record stores here in Brussels. none of them had it...so it's not really easy to get over here either. guess I have to order it online or something.

I read something at Sputnikmusic that it was a limited pressing of 5,000 units (for Europe and Australia.)

Here's the quote- "...satisfying one?s curiosity before upcoming festival dates and Libertad?s release on July 3- perhaps that?s why it?s only been released in Europe and Australia with a limited print run of just 5,000."

So if that's the case maybe that's why they're so hard to track down in Europe as well.

And you know this how? You guys said the same thing when it was announced that they were releasing this "EP". That turned out to be the bands idea, so it's a safe bet it was their idea to do this as well...

Umm, kind of obvious the actual band members wouldn't handle numbers and locations like that.
how many to print, where to distribute them. 

the guys said they wanted libertad to be released months ago

You people said the same thing about the ep before Duff said it was their idea. It's never the band's idea with you people, it's always the labels idea.  ::)

Bought it today for a fiver and it was well worth it. Bring on Libertad!  : ok:

I want to have this now!!! The release seems to be a bit delayed in Sweden, and the fact that it seems to be limited makes me nervous!

I just downloaded the songs. OK I guess. Just 16 was definately better when I saw them live. Psycho Killer cover is pretty good, even tho I don't like the original. And She builds quick machines....well no matter how many times I listen to it it still won't grow on me. It's just not a good song. I was really Looking forward to Libertad being great  but I actually think my hopes have been dashed a bit. Just hoping Let it Roll is going to be as good as I Think it will be.

Yeah, even in the UK, i couldn't find it in HMV, and Virgin didn't have many copies.  Glad i got hold of mine, cost me ?4, and it's a good release.  Not a fan of SBQM, but Just 16 and Psycho Killer are fantastic!  If the rest of Libertad is up to the standard of these two, i'm very excited. 

Seems to have been a great year for ex gunners already, with Izzy releasing Miami (good album) and putting out all this concert material for free over summer and hopefully touring, and VR releasing an EP, Libertad, and touring. 

I got my copy in the local CD store today, but I think they only had a couple of copies of the EP. And one of the biggest internet music sites in Sweden (www.ginza.se) says it's soon sold out. I guess it's limited afterall.

Well then, it should be worth a few bob in a few years time. 

2.5

average by Dave de Sylvia STAFF (110 Reviews)

2007-06-08 | 11 comments | 700 views

Summary: There?s little reason to actually own Melody and the Tyranny beyond satisfying one?s curiosity before Libertad drops

?Melody and the tyranny?- that?s only one step away from ?melody and the tranny,? right? It?s like the 80s never ended.

Not so for Velvet Revolver; formed from the ruins of sleaze metal kingpins Guns N? Roses and Seattle bandwagoners Stone Temple Pilots, they?re aiming to dump the dubious ?supergroup? tag with their second full-length album Libertad next month and fortify their position at the top of the hard rock establishment. Though guitarist Slash punctuates the lead track of teaser EP Melody and the Tyranny with sharp glam rock chord stabs and dizzy leads, ?She Builds Quick Machines? bears most of the clich?s associated with heavy rock in the post-grunge era: slick, though sludgy, production; a quiet verse, loud radio-crafted chorus dynamic; and the rehashing of ideas from a previous hit (an all-too-common occurrence known as the ?Nickelback Model?)- in this case 2004?s far superior ?Slither.?

Yet it?s not so much the ?Slither? similarity which is bothersome, rather the sledgehammer chorus which lodges itself in the brain through excessive repetition rather than a genuine melodic construct, and the generally poor standard of the often nonsensical lyrics. At one point, Weiland opines, ?she ran away to Texas, to keep away the excess,? where a rhyme wasn?t really needed at all. Elsewhere he trots out the tired rock clich? ?she keeps her motor clean,? which only makes slightly more sense in the context of the nonsense title. And those are just the memorable lyrics. More convincing are the EP?s two other audio tracks: album track ?Just Sixteen,? essentially ?Hot For Teacher? taken to its logical conclusion, and ?Psycho Killer,? a surprise cover of Talking Heads? post-punk classic.

?Just Sixteen? succeeds everywhere ?She Builds Quick Machines? fails, demonstrating a real musical progression from 2004?s Contraband, albeit with Brendan O?Brien?s typically muddy production style. If ?She Builds Quick Machines? represents the blandest of today?s radio rock, ?Just Sixteen? is as natural and uncomplicated a power pop song as the reader is likely to hear. In the grand pop tradition of challenging established norms through infectious melodies, ?Just Sixteen,? possibly from the pen of drummer Matt ?Jailbait? Sorum, tells of a relationship between a female teacher (Mrs. Jones, appropriately) and her sixteen year-old student which is spectacularly busted when she?s caught giving him head in his dad?s car- anybody who?s watched Fox News in the last year will know what a hot topic this is. Slash is re-invigorated, laying simple blues licks over Dave Kushner?s buzzsaw accompaniment, and Weiland reaches into the depths of his bassy repetoire for the chorus vocal.

Melody and the Tyranny?s hidden gem is a heavy blues reinterpretation of ?Psycho Killer? by way of George Thorogood and the Destroyers. While Weiland stays faithful to David Byrne?s vocal, the band take liberties with the arrangement, substituting the original?s clean, funky guitars for slide and wah effects and a heavy, plodding rhythm section. The ?Making Of? video documentary is surprisingly lacking in insight, mostly cobbled together from videos released during the album?s production, offering snippets of songs but hardly enough to turn the listener on or off. The fifth and final track is a live video recording of Contraband?s ?Do It For The Kids? from a concert in Houston, Texas, in 2004; this energetic number was chosen to open the band?s set at Live 8 in 2005 and features the memorable pseudo-refrain: ?went too fast I?m outta luck and I don?t even give a ***!?

The relative sparsity of new material included in Melody and the Tyranny is disappointing, though understandable as the album is a mere four weeks away. ?Just Sixteen? will give Libertad?s prospects a whole new complexion for many disappointed by the rock-by-numbers ?She Builds Quick Machine.? ?Psycho Killer? and ?Do It For The Kids? are worthwhile collectors items, at least while the band holds off on a concert CD/DVD, but as a record there?s little reason to actually own Melody and the Tyranny beyond satisfying one?s curiosity before upcoming festival dates and Libertad?s release on July 3- perhaps that?s why it?s only been released in Europe and Australia with a limited print run of just 5,000.

http://www.sputnikmusic.com/album.php?reviewid=12314

Not too bad.  He's right about SBQM sounding a little too much like Slither.  The band said they wouldn't have chosen it as the first single.  The record company put it out cuz they think Slither worked so well last time let's just do that again!  I think the rest of the album is gonna blow that single away.  Album sales will hopefully be decent at first and then take off if they release "The Last Fight" and "Just 16" as singles.....

I read that review, don't really agree with it though, nor the 2.5 rating. The 'EP' is pretty much just a single, and a bit of a preview for Libertad. As a single I think it's great. 2 rocking songs off the unreleased album to get the anticipation going, a cover not on the album, a making of, and a live song. That's pretty awesome as far as a single goes. Lies was an EP- this is a single, and you get alot for what it is.

DAMN Just Sixteen is so grooving its sweet , so many moments in that song I love it. The breakdown with slash saying Im just 16 is so sweet. Classic slash solo that fits the song very well , and scott seems to really up'd it for the album. The whole band has , when duff said this would have a dance-y vibe or w/e i can see what he means its a head bopping album , something we havent seen in awhile!  :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: 

It's goin' to be an awesome record!!!!! i have no doubt

I just received an e-mail from amazon saying the released date for this was delayed until the 26th ???

jeus christ, if this proves true, then VR are being annoying now

Care to explain?

Somebody can't be annoyed at VR if their EP is delayed?

 ::)


/jarmo

I think he means annoying to the fans....

Are you his spokesperson?

Good to see that you now respect peoples impatience with delays, but considering that you bought or illegally downloaded the CD yourself, doesnt that indicate its release?

Poor Booker......

Everything needs to be explained to him so he can argue.





/jarmo

I think this EP is definitely a Cash Grab and I will silently protest by not buying it.

I got a New Bon Jovi CD coming out Tuesday that will more than hold me over till Libertad and CD come out.


NO way Id drop more for an EP *Which is a glorified Maxi Single* than a cd for basically 2 songs.

That is what the computer is for. : ok:

Hi fellows! Wake up! VR fuckin' released the EP to let the fans hear some music before the album comes out cause the record company delayed Libertad by like 2 months. They wanted the crowd to know at least a few songs. And it's not an EP, more of a great single. Nobody's forced to buy it and it seems that a lot of people downloaded it. And it's great it has some really cool stuff on it, 99% of bands ain't release this kind of singles for fans. It's not like releasing an album in 56 different formats...

By the time I get it Libertad will almost be out.  but I am still excited for psycho killer.

Ha, I have it already. (Find a torrent, I downloaded it off a forum, however.)

oh i thought this was in reference to there album....

i already have the EP, downloadage.

Like they did on their last cash grab? :-*

finally found the EP today at my favourite shop. both the new tracks are great IMO, I find Just Sixteen the best one. Psycho Killer is a damn good cover, the live video of DIFTH has friggin great sound quality. I dunno about the "Making Of Libertad" yet cos I haven't seen it, but Im about to now!
Im happy I finally found it and Im very pleased with the content for the price it is at!

Notice the clarification? : ok:

Yes, that's what I was talkin about. On the other hand I'm glad that you found some joy when you thought that your comment would be 'painful' to me like I would have forgot about the 34 slightly different Contraband Tour Editions and the 12 Contraband Again releases. But I'm not sure if they wanted to release those, since as it seems the record company controls the releases more than it should.

BTW I didn't know you are against cash grabs  :-*

We hardcore VR fans can't be against the band wanting to make money of their small fan base.

All those Contraband editions to help it sell multi-platinum,  canceling shows because they weren't making enough money on them....

It's all part of being a dangerous unpredictable rock band, I mean, the last real rock band in the world.





/jarmo

Just ask Sammy Hagar!
If someone knows, it's him.

About how many people do you think bought these updated editions to "help it sell multi-platinum?"

I'm sure you have all the statistics in your quote file.  : ok:

If nobody buys them, why did they release them?


Many bands do it, it's the norm. But unlike all the rest of the bands in the world, VR is the last real rock band. With that comes a certain responsibility to act like it. Don't you think?

 :hihi:


/jarmo

Im even more sure that you have absolutely none.


Strangely enough, I knew you would avoid answering the question when I asked it. 

Real rock bands do things like that.  They can also sell beach towels, tin candles, baby clothes, belt buckles, money clips, watches, coin purses, playing cards, and pens.  You and I may not like it (or we may selectively criticize one and not another), but it doesnt necessarily make that band any less a real band.

You can do whatever the fuck you want. But when you claim all these things and then do what your record company does while canceling shows because they're not money makers, don't expect me to just "do a Booker" and nod my head in appreciation while asking for more.


Other bands sell all kinds of merchandise, cancel shows, release multiple formats of their albums etc, but they don't set out to be "unpredictable" or the "last real rock band".

They just do what they want and let others decide whether or not they're unpredictable, dangerous or just cheesy.



Now, there's this other band who does things in a special way and some of you are upset about this.... Now, that's dangerous!  :hihi:





/jarmo

You know what, Jarmo?  I think it's time that you just took this VR section out of here.  I don't even know why it's here, anymore.  It had it's relevance, in the beginning, but doesn't now.   Like them, or not, VR is a band, on it's own, and there are other web sites or forums about that, for people to talk about.  This is not the place.  This is a GnR site.  I've always thought it was the best one, because it wasn't about the original or the present - it's always been about everyone who's ever been in GnR, which is great.  That's how it should be.   Which is why, VR earned a place here.  However, anymore, the bashing back and forth is ridiculous.  Who's better, Scott vs Axl, whether Slash is any good any more, VR vs GnR, which band is more dangerous, on and on....can't be avoided, I guess, but, as the administrator, I can't believe you actually take part in this.   If you really don't like VR, that's fine.  I don't care.  But, why continue on with a section, of a web site, about something that you obviously don't like?   

I agree with most of this. Not in the respect that the VR section should be re-moved, but the bashing is a joke.
The 'old band' isn't so much as allowed to be mentioned in the GnR section, let alone comparisons, bashings, snide remarks etc, etc. So why are people, who obviously just want to stir something allowed to come into the VR section and do it? People who obviously aren't fans of the band.
I also find it amazing how people claim to love GnR so much, yet display such mockery and distain towards the people in VR who helped make GnR, the band they love so much, what it is.

You are so right!? I've done my fair share of opening my mouth about Axl or about the newer version of GnR vs original.? People, here, are very sensitive about these issues, and I was told, on more than one occasion to leave, if I didn't like it. So, I've tried hard to keep my mouth shut, as it's just not worth it.? Nobody wins.? So, now, some of those same people are over here, doing the same thing.  And all you have to do is just look above, at the last few posts, to see who's being the loudest about it.  ?

And, cfcsfc (that's hard to type!) - your last sentence made a great amount of sense!? ? ?

Because of Booker.





/jarmo

Oh, now I think I've heard it all!? ::)? So, all opinions aside, this all comes down to a vendetta with one guy...

No vendetta. Can't disappoint Booker.

He's got a need to post quotes taken out of context and this is the perfect place for him to run around quoting me in.

 :hihi:


/jarmo

This is hilarious.  Can we get a video of you and Booker meeting and having a debate?  That would rule.

Apparently we were at the same GN'R show last year, but unfortunately he didn't feel like showing up at the pre-show.




/jarmo

Damn!!!!!  Booker, Jarmo is calling out a no show.  Booker, counter Jarmo's claim at once! Just kidding. 

What show Jarmo?  Jarmo, do you consider any European date or maybe a NYC date as one you would go to see GNR? 

I don't think this is the right place to discuss other bands.  : ok:



/jarmo

Good point.  I was trying to see what show you saw with Booker. 

I think it was NYC in November.....

He could've met all his favorite posters in one place.





/jarmo

Off Topic,

We should have link to all of our myspace pages for those that want to participate.  That way I can see what the cast of characters look like.  It could take our banter to the next level. 

I only know what Garry, Jameslofton29, and Mrs. Axlrose look like.

I love VR but the whole "Dangerous" Band thing is pretty stupid and quite Gay. :hihi:

Especially since they stole it from GNR:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goA8Z6Q38wM

'Stole' it from GnR? You seem to forget that three of the VR guys were GnR, hell, probably came up with the tag for all we know.

Yeah, making 5,000 copies of an EP released only to Europe is a real cash grab. I'm sure they're laughing their way to the bank with all the MILLIONS they're making off of it  ::)

then again, you're a Bon Jovi fan...

 :peace: Hey sorry man...i should have mentioned I was being a bit sarcastic.

I simply mentioned it because a lot of the VR bashers around here like to make a big song and noise about the dangerous tag, when really the only reason it was used for VR was that the markers realised that half the band was in GNR.

Now before 100 people go and post it, i admit VR arn't dangerous in the sense that they are in their 40s....but really if we look at it...the most dangerous thing about that GNR add from 1988 was axl's hairproduct and the drugs everyone in the band used to take. Its just a marketing slogan both bands have used over the times and I'm sick of people using it as an excuse to bash VR. All i'm saying is that if VR are lame to use it, so are GNR.

I will never forget the lineup that made the GNR records!

No doubt Jim Bob and others will tell me its been 15 years and to leave or whatever. But to me....the reason I like GNR is the records, and that will make me a fan of slash and co even after they're all dead. Same way I like hendrix and stuff even though he's not exactly touring.

The bickering on here is ridiculous. ? I haven't been on here for months because of it (and the censoring) and i'll stay away from now on. ?Jarmo you may have created this site and for years it was the place to come to, after Lost Rose and those early sites closed. Every fan that has registered and debated over the years made this site what it ..was. ?So for you to censor people and to constantly dig at the bands ppl are here to talk about ...members of which created the band and the reason this site was ever created .. just looks unprofessional and embaressing. ?If the fans leave and stop debating you wont have a site....because the is never alot in the way of news when it comes to the new GNR....?

Slash will always be known as Slash from GNR because the music they created was so amazing. ?And the current GNR band are still earning off (by touring). ?Most of us just enjoy it all. We can enjoy VR and the new GNR and check out Adler or Gilby....etc. ?There really is no need for fans to feel the need to take sides and i dont think you should encourage it. ?Because as much as u censor others ...which is pretty dodgy territory to be censoring people in the modern world. ?But you should lead by example because these are the people that made this site, to be the site the fans came to.

You dont think the record company aren't going to milk every penny they can get from CD? I can imagine they will release it in as many ways possible to get back that $13 mill. ?

GNR used to talk themselves up all the time and Axl's made statements that you can see contradict the truth a little ..who fucking cares? It's music let's just judge on what we see and hear these bands create and release. And enjoy it!?

Ah see what you mean  : ok:
I agree about it being just a marketing slogan, and people shouldn't read too much into it.

Why is it so hard for people to stay out of this section if they are not a fan of this band? Same goes for the Guns section ::)

So, in order to do this, you have to take cheap shots at VR?? ? ? ? ?

Cheap shots?

Define that.

As far as I can tell, I'm presenting my opinion as a Guns N' Roses fan on this band (featuring three former Guns N' Roses members) on a Guns N' Roses message board.



I don't see VR as my darling Scott's new band. I see them as the band featuring three guys who used to be in GN'R.

With all the shit they seem to talk, they have a lot to prove. They got away with a lot in 2004 because I had high hopes for them and because the band does feature the three mentioned ex-members. But then I was let down and obviously I'm way more critical now.






/jarmo

Are you the new Booker?

Those so called cheap shots are what the band themselves have said/done.


If you don't like me to point out how they're the last real rock band, then maybe if they didn't pass themselves off as that I wouldn't.  : ok:



/jarmo

If you're critical, cynical, bitter or whatever; why bother posting in this section? Moderate it, fine, but there are two threads in here that in the last day or so have pretty much been turned into bashings by interventions from you and a few more.
Shit they seem to talk? The way I see it it's just natural band promotion. And if you want to bring that up, again there's the obvious comparison with the shit spewed by the GnR camp, but thats just my oppinion "as a GnR fan on a GnR board". And far out- stop taking quotes so seriously and to hart (ie- 'The last real rock band'). It's just a slogan for marketing.

No, I am not "the new Booker", dear.....I just feel like you are not really hearing what some people are trying to say, here. ? ?

So you agree that this band is very much about the image?

 ;)




I get it. You're upset because I question your favorite band.

I shouldn't post here.



Once again, I need tor remind you that this is not a VR forum. This is a Guns N' Roses message board.

I would assume that you're here because you love Guns N' Roses?

Some might be interested in what the former members have moved onto after they left the band and that's why this section is here.


This section isn't here for you to tell us we can't say Scott Weiland is nowhere near as good of a front man as let's say Bono. We don't have to love VR.

Simply because this isn't a fucking Velvet Revolver site.


If you want Scott Weiland appreciation, use Google.





/jarmo

Aren't all bands? Don't they all need promotion? You seem to think VR are unique in that they market themselves. Your rationing is the same as saying that (new) Guns N' Roses is just an image. They aren't the GnR everyone knows, but the name is what is recognised and is what is marketed for concerts etc. Aren't they all about image then?

Yes, image is important these days.

Some just do it more than others.





/jarmo

No, you don't get what I'm saying.  I think St. Heathen and cfcsfc said it pretty good, as did a few others.   

So I am allowed to say negative things about VR even though I expect you to say positive things about the band this site is dedicate to (which isn't VR)?

Or are we all supposed to support VR because we support GN'R?


Some of you are here and you definitely don't support GN'R.




/jarmo

 ::)

No idea if that was aimed at me, or who ever, and don't really care either. I don't, nor should anyone here, have to justify my 'support' to anyone, sufice to say I recently spent $300 to see GnR at both Sydney shows, rate them as my favourite band, follow their tours, news, etc, etc; whatever.

It's not about 'supporting' one band or the other. As someone put it well in one of the threads that have been turned into this banter crap, people (like you) who come into this section with the attitude you display make it seem like you need to pick a side- either with us or against us, in a way. Why the fuck is it like that? Let people 'support' both bands.

It wasn't aimed at you.

It was aimed at people who come to a Guns N' Roses message board and clearly don't support the band.

They might support one former member or something that existed 15-20 years ago.



People can be fans of both. That's fine.

But don't assume everybody here loves everything VR does just because three former GN'R members are in the band. That's the problem you guys have.






/jarmo

Man, I have no problem with people not liking VR's stuff. But it seems like most of the time when people who don't like them come into threads, it's just for the purpose of stiring the pot. Prime example- the thread where a fan met the band in Finland- it would be an awesome experiance for any VR (and Gunners) fan. But one little remark, which could have been misinterprited or misquoted or anything, turned that thread about an awesome experience into a mess of banter.
If you don't like the band, fine, but there really is the feeling of 'pick a side' when a number of non-fans start attacking. I assume (apart from a small few) we are all GnR fans, old or new. There's no need for a 'us or them' mentality. That's the main problem I think.

I bet the gut who threw the beer at the Brisbane gig was a VR fan! (notice past tense)  :hihi:

So just because it was an awesome experience it's not ok to comment on the fact that Scott didn't sign anything or that Duff didn't recognize something that was his band's idea to release?





/jarmo

Talked about it in the thread. I said it was shitty of Scott, and possible reasons for the Duff thing. The whole thing was blown way out of proportion in my oppinion. That was that thread, and I have no interest in discussing it further, it became a joke. That was the problem.
I've said my bit, not interested in running circles.

As far as I can tell, there wouldn't be any circles if certain people would answer the simple questions instead of dancing around them.




/jarmo

Read monkey in a boat's post in the Met VR yesterday topic.  He said what I think many have been trying to say, and I thought he did it very well. 

Sorry 'bout the off-topic, but Lynn, could you please remember me what album's cover is this on your avatar? I know it's an album cover, but I just couldn't remember the name.

EDIT: Oh, nevermind. Just figured out. It's from Don't Cry video/EP. Thanks anyway. It's been a long time since I saw this. I have the vinil albums and if I'm not wrong this image is printed inside the album. It makes me miss old GNR so fuckin' much...  :'(

Jarmo whining about how VR pushes their "image" is funny. GNR still calls itself the most dangerous band in the world. What is so dangerous? That Axl might not come out of his dressing room until Midnight? EVERY band does it.

VR did the same thing, well guess what, when the band started they kind of had a good reason to. You get a heroin addict in Scott Weiland who had been arrested twice in that year and been in and out of rehab a hundred times and combine him with members from fucking GUNS AND ROSES. Weiland and the ex Gunners were all guys who had major problems with people in the former band they were in and now you're putting them together. Yeah, I'd say that's a pretty combustible mixture. It worked out well for them although there were bumps in the road.

But so what? That was then, I haven't seen them marketing themselves in the same way AT ALL. if anything, they're trying to move away from that.

That's what I thought.....




/jarmo

The making of...

(http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/3396/makingfuckinvideospartikk3.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

Have Bon JOvi ever released an album with 3 different covers or Re Issued an album with 2 new songs or released a shitty EP for more than a CD?

I love Bon Jovi cause they are who they are and dont try to hide or deny it. They are a mainstream band who bust their ass to sell records, sell out shows and make money.


VR claim to be "Dangerous' but yet stick something they showed for free on the internet on a CD to try and make money off of it and try to act like some old school rock band when they are just as guilty as the next mainstream band.


I'll take a Band like Bon Jovi or Kiss who are at least honest over bands who claim to not care about mainstream success but do everything to have it.

D- I don't know where you shop- but here (in Australia) Mellody and the Tyranny cost $5. An album costs upwards of $20 (in Aussi dollar terms). $5 is the general price for singles, and for what you get on the CD, was well worth it.

Simply put, yes.
They released a shitty live 6 song EP for Wal-Mart only in 2006 called "Live from the Have A Nice Day Tour"
Plus they released a special edition of "Have a Nice Day" with a bonus DVD with 5 songs and also region specific versions with different bonus tracks
Oh and let's not forget when they re-recorded all their greatest hits in crappy versions on their release "This Left Feels Right" in 2003.
There's more!!!! Their new country-pop album "Lost Highway" with awesome duets with Big & Rich, let's not forget that one. Oh the internet....what a wonderful tool for research.? :love:? Bon Jovi had some great tunes, but let's not try to sway from the fact that Jon would sell his soul to make a dollar if he could.

^
At least he doesn't try to pretend to be something he isnt.

They are a mainstream bands and ALL mainstream bands will sell their soul for a buck. : ok:

Last time I checked, VR wasn't pretending to not be a mainstream band.  Sure they have the look and they can lay claim to be true rockers because in their old respective bands they toured the world, they sold millions of records and probably did more drugs than Lindsay Lohan was going to have at her 21st Birthday party. But VR is signed to a major record label, they're touring the world at festivals, showing their videos on MTV/VH1, gracing the covers of magazines.....I'd say they're poised to admit they're mainstream. So why is it bad when Slash, Scott, Duff, Matt and Dave want to make a buck and it isn't when Jon wants to pretend to be a cowboy to dupe the country music fans into thinking he's the next Porter Wagner (google it)?

Bon Jovi, aside, I can't help but think that this is what this whole thing is about. VR is about to release their 2nd album, video is being played, and they are on many major music mag covers right now.? Axl, although touring rather successfully (as well), hasn't released a fucking thing in 15 yrs.? Whether you like VR or not and whatever you may think about them...the point is that the guys in that band have moved forward and are doing fairly well.? Axl is kind of stuck in a time warp.? ?He's probably only touring because he needs money to cover that mega million dollar album that hasn't been released yet.? And I can say this, because I'm in the VR section, not the GnR section.? So, don't tell me to leave if I don't like it. The point is, really, that everyone gets so fucking obsessesed, and basically jealous, about all of this crap, that it's become ludicrous.

Ok, now, somebody take what I said and pick it apart, line by line, statement by statement.? Quote, reply, quote, reply, quote, reply.............

I like melody and the tyranny EP, i feel that for ?4 i got my moneys worth.  Do it For The Kids is nice to have, as is the vlog compilation, and Psycho Killer and Just 16 are both fine additions to my collection.  Shall we please stay on topic? 

Care to provide a quote where a current member of GNR says this?

Well, seeing as you're offering...

Incorrect.? OMG.

The VR I saw at Download appeared to me to be living on past glories; not having progressed either musically or in terms of their stage performance.? In contrast, GNR in 2006 sounded fresh, energised and musically adventurous.

Re. the EP: if it's true that Duff and Slash didn't recognise their own product when it was given to them for signing, then I have to say that I find it puzzling at the very least.

No you can't.

I hope some of the VR fans start yelling at you for bringing GN'R into this. Again.  : ok:


It's funny how often you VR fans feel the need to mention GN'R to validate your favorite band.

Then you blame those of us who aren't hardcore VR fans for ruining your threads.


 :hihi:





Be careful. The logic around here is that if Duff talked about the EP in an interview, but yet failed to recognize it when he saw it, it means he's well aware of it.




/jarmo

i wish i could get my hands on a copy here in the U.S.

congrats to VR - looking forward to July 3!  : ok:

(and if anyone cares to explain exactly what it means to "support" a band, please do so.)

Mmmm, that logic doesn't quite follow in my book.? In the old days I'd have blamed the booze for the confusion; not sure what to make of it now.? Perhaps the business minds in VR haven't quite got their collective finger on the pulse as much as they thought they had.? Time for that refresher business course, Duff...? ;)

I don't think you need to worry about that, your post was one hundred percent complimentary to VR so you don't have to worry about Booker doing his routine on you  :hihi:

I wasn't even thinking about Booker.........

VR Living on past glories and gnr sounding fresh and musically adventurous hmm alright...

I won't even start to explain how wrong that statement is...

HA!    :rofl:

Oh please do, I'd be most interested to hear your reasoning.

I wouldn't wanna go there if I were you. GN'R in 2006 was (and still is in 2007) playing a setlist mostly filled with songs from an album that was released 20 years ago...

I have no problem with that, but if that is 'fresh' to you, then you have strange logic.

Better make that no logic at all...

And The Stones play songs written 40 years ago....

People go to their shows to hear them play those songs.

What's your point?



/jarmo

My words were "sounded fresh" - which does not necessarily correlate to the actual age of the songs performed. ?In my opinion, GNR sound like a band reinvigorated, VR sound (and look) tired and dated.

His point was to explain how ridiculous Cyllan's logic was that VR were living in past glories while being directly compared to the current line up of Gn'R.  When the majority of your setlist is from an album 20 years old, and you are constantly running out of breath and getting oxygen backstage, I'm sorry but you neither sound or look "fresh".

Guns N' Roses is obviously playing Guns N' Roses songs just like the Smashing Pumpkins are playing the Smashing Pumpkins songs in 2007.


Watching the Download clips of VR's performance, I wouldn't call that an exceptionally high energy show.

So whatever lame jokes you make of Axl, you just make yourself uninformed and clueless.



/jarmo

"Living on past glories" means that I believed that VR was just coasting along on the reputation they'd acquired earlier in their careers and not pushing themselves to progress.

However, having now read the band's thoughts on their new album, I can see that perhaps I was being unfair in assuming that they just weren't trying, when in fact it would seem like this new material is the best that they can offer.? Unfortunately, the best that they can offer is tired and dated.

This is getting fucking ridiculous.

Back to topic please.

I don't think an EP was such a bad idea.  Think about it... they are starting a new tour, album's not out 'till July. So an Ep is a nice little introduction to a couple of new songs which are likely to appear in a set list on tour.

 Some of us are still old school and like to wait and buy the cd's. I'm personally not really into downloading, apart from live stuff. 

In the UK it's like ?4 that's good!  You dont have to buy it, buts it's cool for those who like  to collect.

 

   

I think the EP was a great idea.

I mean in Australia it was the SAME PRICE as just the single would have been, and it also has two other cool tracks.

Agree with the two above.
For Aussi$5 (the price of a regular single) its great bang for your buck. And the fact that it's only a pressing of 5,000 it's a cool little collectors peice.

Am I the only one who thinks the EP was a joke? It's got what will surely be the best song on the album, SBQM, Just Sixteen, which wouldn't have even made the cut for Contraband, and a cover of Psycho Killer which overshadows all their other work. Granted, it has a making of Libertad, but that's not uncommon on Albums or even Singles these days now that record companies are trying to persuade people to buy the actual single cd rather than download it. And it cost ?4 in UK - twice as much as a single for what is essentially nothing but a glorified single. Ok, it's not bad, but I think it's a bit cynical to market it as an EP when an EP to me means 3-4 songs where there are a couple that maybe aren't on the album or are actual treats for the fans. meh, that's my 2 Euros.

yea i just dont get the point at all and it is a joke.  if they wanted to make it something cool to buy, they should have put a few tracks on it that wont be on the album coming out just weeks after this release.   stupid.

They put out a few songs for the European fans that they were going to PLAY on the European tour. What exactly is so hard to understand about this?

its not that, its that its an 'EP' cost $10 and is all going to be on the album. i would happily buy all the singles, and yeah i bought this. but i dunno, its a bit cheap of them tbh. VR are going down the pan.

roll on CD  :beer:

Will Psycho Killer or DOFTK be on the album?  For new VR fans, it's great (i never got contraband). 

I think it woulda been a lot cooler if they threw all of the shit from the billion special editions of contraband on the ep. Or even just some of the soundtrack stuff for fans who didn't wanna go spend money on a cd for 1 song. If it looked like this...


1. She builds Quick Machines
2. Just Sixteen
3. Psycho Killer
4. Money
5. Bodies
6. Fall To Pieces (Acoustic)
7. Surrender
8. No More No More
9. Negative Creep

That woulda been more of an actual EP and it woulda been worth a few extra bucks to alot of fans.

^ well i would have considered that a rip off cos I already have that stuff. What i paid was the normal price for a single, and I got a single, another cool song from the album, and another cool song that apparently will not be on the album, then a video clip of the band playing live. Nothin to complain about there.

Man, again, I totally agree- I think Melody and the Tyranny (I don't really think of it as an EP) was worth every cent.



Although I just did some research. 4 pounds, which is what people here say it's selling for in England, is $9.50 Aussi.
Now that I don't get. Here, in Australia, it's $5 Aussi. That's pretty much HALF PRICE than what it costs in England- 2.10 pounds.
$5 here is what you pay for a single, so it's great value. But the price in England seems really inflated.

^^
That was my main problem with it. here you pay ?2 max for a single. with what i paid for Melody... I couldve bought the two singles that they will undoubtedly put out in england. jokers.