Here Today... Gone To Hell!

This movie is ging to have NO ONE even involved with any of the previous movies. Even Kassar/Vajna are gone. This is really going to SUCK!!

can anyone say Hannibal rising??

http://www.moviehole.net/news/20070510_halycon_takes_on_new_terminato.html


"The Terminator? series is set for a major rehaul with a new production company signing on to make the next batch of movies. In short, what this means is that the character of John Connor (no doubt set to be played a different actor; the third person to play that part, excluding the guy that briefly played older John) will be present in the next three films, but Schwarzenegger?s iconic cyborg character will most likely be missing.

This is bound to upset the stick-in-the-mud fans of the Schwarzenegger series ? in particular, AB King ? but without the Governator front and centre in the next chapter (he?s too d**n busy), it?s ostensibly the only way to go. And, the trend to ?reboot? is in right now, after all.

The Halcyon Company announced today the acquisition of all the ?Terminator? franchise rights. These rights include the right to produce any future ?Terminator? films, as well as all future merchandising and licensing rights, certain future revenues derived from ?Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines?, as well as certain rights in the television project ?The Sarah Connor Chronicles? and the sole right to produce all future ?Terminator? projects in any new or existing media.

The Halcyon Company is a recently formed, privately financed, film development, production and financing company, headed by co-CEOs Derek Anderson and Victor Kubicek. "The Terminator franchise represents by far the most popular and successful franchise not owned by a major studio," said Mr. Kubicek. "While we have several other projects in the works, we see this global franchise as a cornerstone of Halcyon's future business plans."

?Terminator 4? will be based on a script by John Brancato and Michael Ferris and is envisioned to be the first film in a new Terminator trilogy. Halcyon plans to immediately begin pre-production on the new film.

While as yet no distribution agreement has been set, Halcyon anticipates that T4 will be ready for release in the first half of 2009, if not earlier.

Moritz Borman, the Executive Producer of ?Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines? as well as the then-CEO of Intermedia Films (the co-production financial partner for T3), is slated to produce the new ?Terminator 4? film as well as being an integral member of the branding and licensing team. Kubicek and Anderson will co-produce.

Moritz Borman stated, "With T3, we included many incidental details and plot points that, along with the main narrative, set the stage for an entirely new set of inter-related stories covering the future adventures of John Connor and the Terminators. This new Terminator trilogy will build upon the already huge worldwide Terminator fan base, which was both revitalized and expanded with the global success of T3."

Anderson said, "We also plan to maximize the potential of the Terminator franchise by entering into strategic relationships with world class merchandising and licensing partners. By quickly pursuing and finalizing these new opportunities, we are confident that all of these ventures can be completed in time to fully maximize their value by coinciding with the first of the new Terminator's release."

without arnie shouting "get down!!" i cant see this being hit.

Well it can't be much worse than worthless T3.
If I had been given a choise of either Mostow directing and writing yet another Terminator movie with T3's cast  or a complete 100% makeover with new faces and without Arnie I would have  picked  latter any given sunday.

Shame Cameron didn't feel like sticking with his own franchise.The two  first Terminator flicks are amazing and pretty unique in their genre, somehow.
Mostow did great job proving that even such a strong franchise can easily be turned into tasteless bland generic shit.

Fact is though, Arnold IS the terminator. Just like Bruce Willis is John mclane and Stallone is Rocky/rambo.

I have no desire to see some poser with muscles walking around pretending to be arnold.

and the dudes who wrote this wrote Primal, an alligator movie!! I see this doing like Hannibal rising did, and we saw how well that one did..


Terminator ISNT like Batman, spiderman, james bond etc. where you can have different actors play the main role...


I dont see the hate for Terminator 3 either. I thought for what its worth it was a good movie. it was NO T2, but T2 is the gold standard of action movies. It had an interesting plot line and was well executed.

And they're doing another Mad max without mel!

seriously??!!! please tell me this isnt true! :o link me..

Can't link you, you'll have to take my word for it!  ;)

there are still rumors about another Mad Max but mel gibson would still star in it if it was done.


anyway, i think this is terrible news, i didnt hate T:3 but i think they should leave the franchise alone, unless they bring back arnold and edward furlong.

Unfortunately, the director who has the rights to the next Mad Max thinks that mel is too old.
Unfortunately, Edward Furlong is a little drug f***ed.

^well i didnt know that about mad max, thats fucking lame.

i thought edward furlong is fine now? isnt he clean? hes a great actor, sure he wasnt the best in T:2 but he was young, i thought he was great in American History X.

Well...doesnt seem like a brilliant idea,

but ya never know, might inject something new into the series - maybe they'll find someone who's even better than Arnie.....

that is true. : ok:


They have been working on another Terminator for a while now .

T3 was a let down maybe taking the series into a new direction is a good thing . Plus without Arnie you can cut the budget down by like 30+ Million .

The only good thing about T3 was the ending. A blockbuster that ends with the world's destruction -> Brave move IMO.

Now, they should leave the franchise there. No need for a T4. Without Cameron, Arnold, Hamilton, Furlong, Stan Winston it will suck big time.

PS - I know Cameron didn't direct #3 ;)

T3 was a big dissapointment IMO. If James Cameron would have done it it would have been better though.

i dont see the new movies and the new tv series to be very good or popular.

T3 sucked SUPER ASS..

the only way this trilogy can be good, is if they follow the soldiers missions fighting in the future, that would rock.

Maybe not yet. When Connery left the Bond franchise, the films producers considered showing a plastic surgery scene to show why Bond looked like George Lazenby instead. It was unimaginable at the time that anyone else would play the role.

Believe me, people might not prefer the new Terminator, but if the film makers want to do it they will.

Whatever they do i will go to see it, im a big fan of the franchise, T3 was good in places but could of been better if T1 was a 9 T2 was 9.5 and T3 6.5 IMO. it will be hard to imagine it without the original Charactors but things like this have been done in the Past, Star Trek? What they need is someone with vision and they need tobe a big fan of the Originals both in style content and camerons original vision

Well i guess that means he'll be in it sorta. I know its gonna be weird without him having a major role but what else can he do really now that the war started? He's supposed to kill john at some point according to part 3 but other then that i don't see much room for a role for him anymore.

well i knew that if there was going to be a T4 that Arnold wouldn't be in it on a count of him being the GOVENATOR of california and all. BUT with no old cast, and all news one.......i dont know that may the potensial to suck balls :-X :-[

but i'll still see them all, i love the TERMINATOR series :D

why is everyone so down on T3?  I thought it was a really good movie.  the fight in the bathroom was absolutely amazing - set the standard for super powered/strength combat in any movie.  the ending was so compelling too...

anyways, i don't think arnie is the star of the terminator movies anymore.  i mean, how many times is the SAME robot going to be used?  I think if they cast the movie right and the story takes place in the future with TONS of robots and machines hunting down humans, i don't see how you can miss.

Tony Blair needs a new job!  ;D

Maybe it will just be metal-skeletons?

Die Hard, Rambo and Rocky don't have a functional, rich alternate world complete with timelines, it's own lore and the whole "expanded universe" thing going on like Terminator does.
That's what makes creatig somewhat credible scifi action so easy. You essentially got a detailed  alternative world made out for you,all you have to do is come up with a few characters, throw them inside and see what happens.
Whereas nothing at all happens in , say, "Die Hard world" unless you drop John Mclane in it. While some consider Terminator flicks as "Arnie-movies" the world and base setting in no way relies on  him. While John Mclane/Bruce Willis essentially is Die Hard.

..Former is strictly from the point of view of a fan of the (first two)terminators and their world as a whole. People who conider Terminators just action movies among action movies propably can't have Terminator movie  without Arnie.

I hope T4 ends up being what T3 should have been; a Scifi war movie. If they chose to (ab)use the same worn setting of terminators time-travelling and  hunting person Y because of X it is hard to imagine it being nothing but an embarrassing flop.

Hey! How about a female Terminator!!

ugnh don't even mention that. :hihi:
Well nothing wrong with the idea itself. Just that it was done incredibly poorly in T3. Just a lame ripoff from T-1000. Whereas T-1000 was um..pretty credible in it's own world&had a clear logic and limits between what it could and could not do, the grrrl terminator of T3 was just shit. Albeit hot shit. "Hey look there is a flamethrower coming out of my hand. Oh noes, it broke. Fortunatelly ther is a plasma gun coming out of my hand now!" Why not have a F-18 Hornet with a nuclear bomb coming out of her hand while at it? Plus the "i control machines!!" thing was just so very oh  go fuck yourself-y

Oh yeh, That was a poor attempt. I agree. Wasn't Claire Danes in that? :hihi:

Yup, i think so.
..Come to think of it she might have been  pretty good at her job if a director who has some idea how to do his damn job was there to boss her around.

Who was responsible for directing that one?

T3 was directed by Jon Mostow of U-571 fame. :'(

What a stupid idea.

Oh, that explains it. U-571. I usually like a good war movie. Dr Strangelove - now that's a good film!

Should check that one out sometime :yes:
And U-571 is depressingly utter shit.  it's stunning someone can create a movie involving a crew in WW II submarines without any suspense. it's like writing 5 seasons of soap opera in TV where none of the characters never cry.
Also, way to re-create history. Jon Bon Jovi solves teh enigma!
.I'm starting to think Jon Mostow is infact the antichrist.

Unlike The Hunt For Red October. Now that is a good submarine film.? :peace:

ANd yeh, the Poles broke the enigma code amongst many other significant things in WW2. Do you know that they also liberated a Political concentration camp in the Jewish Ghetto! 1944.

Should check that one out aswell.
Seen Das Boot? Ohther very good,depressing submarine/war flick with tons of suspense.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082096/

Yeh, Das Boot. Is Burton in that?

Yeah I agree, Furlong is great.
It was such a shame they didn't cast him as John Connor in T3..would have saved alot. Wonder why they casted him out in first place. it's hard to buy the "Sure we wuld have casted him but he was  too addcited!!!"- thing.

..Plus the most succesfull fighter squandron in Battle Of Britain was actually Polish.
and naaah, no Burton, it's German production.

The Poles also looked after many wounded German soldiers in the underground hospitals (cellars).

Soo let's see what we have here on off topic scale;

Rumored T4 -> Terminators-> T3 -> Jon Mostow-> Submarines->Polish people in WW II ->Battle Of Britain->Cellars with wounded german soldiers.
 ;D
There are wounded soldiers in cellars in the flashback scenes of the first Terminator, the circle is now complete!

The Poles taught the British special flying tactics - simialr to their cavalry runs. These tactics were needed to end the battle.

'Terminator' locked in rights standoff
MGM sued over distribution rights
By JANET SHPRINTZ

The holders of the rights to "Terminator 4" have sued MGM, claiming the studio is interfering with their right to negotiate for the distribution of the planned fourth installment of the highly successful series. Halcyon Co. and its principals, Victor Kubicek and Derek Anderson, acquired rights in May, including sequel rights to "Terminator 2" and "Terminator 3" and a script by "T3" writers John Brancato and Michael Ferris, with plans to launch a big-budget sequel.
According to the complaint, filed in L.A. Superior Court on Wednesday, MGM claimed it had acquired an exclusive 30-day negotiation window for "T4" in the 1990s Orion Pictures bankruptcy. T Asset, the plaintiff and Halcyon's subsidiary, did not concede MGM's rights but began negotiations in May over distribution. T Asset claims MGM's exclusive window is now over despite MGM's claims in the media that it has the right to distribute "T4." The suit seeks a declaration and injunctive relief.

As outlined in the complaint, producer Moritz Borman began negotiations with MGM chief operating officer Rick Sands on May 31. The deal proposed by MGM for worldwide distribution included a commitment of almost $200 million and gave MGM approval over budget, script, director and male lead. It also included a lower backend participation to T Asset. With the 30-day period running out, the two sides could not make a deal.

According to the complaint, MGM then claimed T Asset was required to continue negotiations and that it would prevent T Asset from negotiating with other studios. Also at issue is T Asset's refusal to allow MGM to review the confidential screenplay. According to correspondence attached to the complaint, MGM claims that T Asset has taken an unfair "take it or leave it" position in the negotiations. MGM appears to take the position that "T4" cannot have the same deal as "T3" without Arnold Schwarzenegger in the lead role.

Commenting on the litigation, an MGM spokesman said, "MGM is completely comfortable with its rights position on the 'Terminator' franchise, and we will not allow anyone to interfere with our rights."

They're milking the Terminator franchise to the end. How can you have a Terminator movie W/O Ahhnold?

same as gunsnroses without slash? :P
you can, just need an exellent director and good acters...i'd be intrested to see where its' headed

i hope Dolph Lundgren is playing in this!  :yes:

they need a buff guy with bad english!  :drool:

"The male model Marcus Schenkenberg was on a Dutch tv show and mentioned he went to Cannes last week and booked four new movie roles. One thing that stood out was Terminator 4 and he also mentioned that Schwarzenegger would have a 30-sec cameo." - Coming Soon (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=20684)

The video should be here (http://www.rtl.nl/shows/jensen/video/). Go to 28 mei t/m 1 juni and select Marcus Schenkenberg.


He's not Dolph Lundgren, but hey! He's Swedish!  :hihi:

bingo. u hit the nail onth head.

I actually liked T3. T2 was better though.

 i heard somewhere that its going to be an anime

Terminator1 was by far the best one for me, terminator3 was great too, but the charracters of John Connor and Kathrine Bruster was horrible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOb8NC708_c my favorite scene :peace:

My new favorite movie won't be released until 2009 :( :o

Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins
http://thearnoldfans.com/news/1178.htm

"This is set in the future, in a full-scale war between Skynet and humankind," Anderson told Daily Variety.

Borman said: "The third film was really the conclusion of what happened in the 'now.' You will find the most-loved characters, but the intention here is to present a fresh new world and have this be the first of a trilogy." The producers said it wasn't yet clear whether Arnold Schwarzenegger will be back for his fourth appearance in the franchise that launched his movie career. "T3" was the last film in which he starred before becoming governor of California. "We've left it open for him to maybe do a cameo," Borman said. "He has an important job, as we know, and the final decision will be based on his desire and availability, along with what the director wants."

I simply can't fucking wait you guys i'm gonna go try to freez myself. wake me in the future

:peace:

i think, if done right, this could actually be cool. i always loved the whole concept of humans fighting machines for the survival of humanity. badass.

they are purposely not calling it terminator:4 cuz this is a fresh start, taking place in the "future" of the terminator timeline.

i think they should call it Terminator 4: _____________ because Terminator 3 really didn't end on a good note for me it left it wide open for another sequal. Really in the last half hour of the movie when there going to where the womens dad works they give away parts of a futur story line like the T101 killing John July 4th 2032 and how Kat is the new leader then ect ect ect.

so really i think it should start off as T4: *something*

:peace:

Christian Bale cast as John Connor ...

Now I'm fucking intrigued by that. Can't name a shit Christian Bale flick ...

its being directed by MCG the guy who did charlies angels though......and theres still no arnold...

This is the guy :peace:

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I know ... No arnold does not bother me. They're trying to start the series afresh and Arnold would have too many people comparing it to the old trilogy.
The director though is a steaming pile of shit, however Christian Bale is one of those actors who just doesn't sign up to a role without having given it much thought. He must have really liked the script to sign on and that gives me hope.

From everything I've read, they're continuing from the Terminator 2 time line.

I'm a HUGE Terminator fan (YCBM got me into GNR), and I'm not too disappointed with the lack of Arnold. He doesn't actually play that big of a role in the post-apocalyptic future, just when they find the Arnold-type Terminator model towards then end, does he come into play.

If Christian Bale is actually playing John Connor, I have A LOT of faith in the up-coming movies.