Here Today... Gone To Hell!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbKxKNcvTsM&mode=related&search=

This shows me his chops are somewhat back.? I love how he is playing and I love his current live tone!

some of that is pretty good.  I don't think its anything great.   Slash is good, but there are much better guitarists out there.   

Slash's biggest problem: Scott Weiland.    He would be so much better if he had a kickass rock n roll frontman on stage with him.   Scott is ok at his thing, but him and slash together is just not doin it for me.

i couldn't have put it better myself. i love both musicians but i dont think they were the best fit. Scott fit much better with the DeLeo brothers in my opinion.

great solo tho.

Like they Crocodile Dundee said about the knife...

That's no solo, this is a solo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYN3v_ed9Eo





/jarmo

Jarmo, that was a classic Slash moment, thanks for bringing that back up.

Jim Bob, I agree to a point that Slash needs a real hard rock singer, but, my point was to say his current playing seems to be a little tighter than it was on the last tour.

Scott's new songs do seem to favor his voice/range a little better.  I think he is trying more on this record to be himself.

This is Scott being himself, this was cool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soRQlZ98-C0

Talk about losing it.

^^^Fuck, Jim Bob, weiland was on that night!  That was badass! 

The band sounded great!  I too would like to see him perform like this again!

Funny you say that, because the reason I like Slash is and has never been because of how good he supposedly is when put up against other guitarists.

But when it comes to style, tone and technique and the sound he creates, not many can touch him.
He manages to sound sloppy and tight at the same time if that makes any sense. A pure rock n' roll sound.

And Slash has a sound and style that is unmistakably him.
Can't say that about too many other guitar players.

100% agree with the poster above.

Theres tons of guys out there who can play faster than slash or more technically than slash....but slash has unique tone, can get such an emotive blues vibe, has a distinctive attack to his playing, and as you said that rock slopyness yhat really works for him so damn well.....

Anyway...is good to see Slash "is back", mind you I dont think he really went anywhere I think its just that he'd been playing a style of music recently that doesn't show off his skills quite as much. When i saw VR a few times in concert I was struck by how much more slash kickass playing there seemed to be live than on the record...still not as much as in GNR...but I think part of the problem is that contraband is mixed in too much of a grungy way.

Anyway...i'm hopeful from what we've seen that libertad will feature some classic slash playing in the style of AFD, UYI and 5 O'clock somewhere....

Actually there are quite a few guitarists out there who have their own distinct and unique sound.   Slash is just one of them.   He has his moments for sure.   

Jim bob I think u are just a slash hater.

Moving your fingers fast isnt what makes a great solo


Slash is one of the few guitarists that can make a guitar solo stand out as much as vocals. When Slash plays a solo u  remember it and can sing a long to it.

That is much much harder than someone like BUcket or bumble who just play a hundred notes of jibberish.

No, I'm not.   He's just not that high on my list of fav guitarists.   Not everyone worships slash, get used to it.   I said he is good.


never said it was.  I agree completely.

I agree with metallex, monkeychow and D. One note played by Slash blows away other guitarists' whole career. There are more technical players, but the biggest guitarists, like Hndrix or Page weren't very technical. It's more about emotions and great ideas. Slash is way above the level needed for a great guitarist technically, and he has the X-factors others don't have and never will.  : ok:


BTW it's strange that some people hate Slash so much on a GN'R site. Are you not a fan of his playing? Then what the hell you do when you're listening GN'R albums?  ::)

Man, I love his STB solo. So messy and spontaneous.  : ok:

Btw, has everyone seen this Mr. Brownstone performance from the Quilmes Rock show? Listen to Slash during the verses - not to mention the kickass outro. Fucking awesome. Best I've heard this song sound in a long time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTLORbkhCa0

oh my god  ::)

I NEVER SAID I HATED HIM.  I like slash.   He is among my favorite guitarists, just not up at the top.

Musical appreciation is a subjective thing and varies from person to person. 

what is more amusing is some of the asslicking.  "one note played by Slash blows away other guitarists' whole career"?  Are you fucking kidding me?   :rofl:

To some of you, if someone doesn't rate Slash as their favoritest most super duper greatest guitarist ever means you hate him?   Talk about blind love!  ::)

Yes, Slash is great, he did some amazing stuff in guns and he's still very good.  But he is by no means my favorite, or even in my top 5.  Does this mean I hate slash?  ::) 

that is all, i think i've posted enough for this topic and i'd rather not get into this dumb shit with a few silly slash fans who put him up on some altar like hes a god.

When did he lose them?

He sure seems to have them during this Rock Am Ring 2005 performance of "Set Me Free."  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AELrUunGjoE) The "Hey Joe" video Jarmo posted was from later that year.  And theres plenty of other examples between 2003 and now.  I think this is a case of confusing a return from a fairly lengthy absence with a return to form.

I couldn't agree more ;)
It's a kill to stop evolving.

It's cool JB, I can see your point man.

I ain't a blind Slash lover, I like lots of different bands and guitarists, but he definitely gets allot of props from me that's for sure! : ok:

Slash is better than ever, He's my favorite guitar player by far  :yes:

i like a good mix. slash is a good player, he has epic solos, whilst not super speedy are very powerful and full of emotion.

However, i do love a good fast shredding solo too, all i have to do, is go get antoher CD, ozzy osbourne no more tears for example put that in and listen to that, when i want slash solos ill put a CD featuring him on.

Its as simple as that really isnt it people. : ok:

I still think that one note plaayed by Slash (in his blessed moment) can make more than other guitarists' whole career. I don't wanna hijack the thread, but I know a singer who - just like Slash - isn't perfect, doesn't have a trained voice, makes mistakes, but... he's genuine, unique and his one scream or little melody worth more than other singers' whole career.

Slash is not in your top 5. Fine, it's all about personal taste. But as far as I know GN'R is your favourite band or at least in the top 3. And GN'R was a guitar band, and Slash played on every album. That's why I don't get how he isn't in your top 5, but that's just me. ?:peace:

Just by curiosity... whats ur top 5?

I have to say, I do not like VR(scott), but slash kicks fucking ass on that. The singer is the problem. He sucks. However that is the best I have heard that song musically sound in a long time.

I agree with both of you, best since argentina 93   :hihi:

Agree with that 100%

As much as I loved Contraband, and despite what an excellent frontman I think Scott is, I felt that Scott was changing himself and his vocal stylings to 'fit in' with the expectations that were placed on VR.  On more than one occasion at every show (of the four I have been to) he was clearly trying to sing not only outside of his comfort zone, but out of his range.  The new stuff is much more suited to his style.

Booker, wrong, Slash was on a lot back in 2005, however, he was more hit or miss then.  From the shows so far, Slash has been much more focused and accurate with much less bad notes.  He has always been a on and off type player, but so far, this tour, he is nailing everything.  The Jimi Hendrix Tribute was awesome.  The Daughtry solo was good.  But, Live, so far, this is the best he has sounded to me in the consistency dept.  He is such a bad ass.  I love this tone so far as well.  The new solos sound a little more difficult as well and his new Set Me Free solo is better.  He sounds more like the 1993 UYI Slash.

Interesting. I think Slash was much better @ the CB tour than on the last round of the UYI tour. His playing was much more accurate (although the songs were better in 1993).

Top 5 Favs for me:

1.Slash
2.John Frusiciante
3. Prince
4. Richie Sambora
5. Stevie Ray Vaughn


Jim bob u to me seem like one of these New Gnr fans who try to discredit original members to try and make FInck and people like that seem better than they are.

Look at your title for Christ's sake. Your title and posts in this section make me think u Hate Slash just cause Axl does which to me is pathetic.


I challenge u to listen to NR,Estranged or SCOM and come tell me that Slash isnt the MVP of those songs.

you are an absolute idiot.  And i dont care if I get karma for it, it needs to be said.

if all you are going to do is attack me for my title and diss me for supporting the guys who are in the band now over someone who left it 10 years ago, maybe you should go find a VR board if you want a place where everyone is as eager to lick slash's ass as you are.   

I will discuss this topic with you when you can get your head out of Slash's ass, until then, forget it.

Jim... whats ur top 5? Can u tell us please?

Lol I so agree with u... : ok:

Chill with the name calling.


Your wish is...

I'm very dissapointed in Jim Bob. :'(

Two of those songs were mostly written by a guy who's not in VR and Slash hasn't produced solos like that since.

Maybe that says something, or probably not since you're happy with VR.


I think he's a great guitar player, but there's a shit load of great guitar players out there. It takes a bit more than just skill for playing the guitar in my opinion to get to the top.

It doesn't hurt if you have somebody pushing you, telling you what you just played was great or motivating you.

Slash wrote the SCOM intro and hated it. Look what happened......


A solo is just a solo unless you have a great song around it. Then it becomes something else.... Maybe even a classic like the songs mentioned above.




/jarmo

Look who's turning this into an Axl vs Slash thread again...



Again, I think what D was referring to was the guitar solos in the song and not who wrote what and made them great. The SCOM intro is easily one of the most, if not the most famous riffs in rock and the NR solo was voted the 7th greatest solo of all time by Rolling Stone. Of course Axl wrote the songs, but that's not what we're talking about here, is it?

i love slash because he was in my favourite band. i love his solos in many songs. but to say that are few that can do the same as him is not true. i could list over 50 guitarists who have the same effect on me.

and what you say about buckethead is untrue. he doesn't just play hundred notes of gibberish. granted he can play hundreds of notes of gibberish if he feels like it thats not all he does.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DyZej9yrHE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgXIiHg2qTs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-2w9b8i7GU

I think that distinction is in the ear of the beholder. ?

For my money, the solo is "Slither" was the most memorable thing he's done since SCOM.

Taking that premise one step further, in the immortal words of the guy on my avatar:

"If you can't hum it or whistle it, ain't nobody gonna remember it." - Billy Duffy

yeah 'cuz jarmo was the one mentioning those gnr songs first? ::)

Oh, we can't mention GN'R songs now? Get a clue. Maybe I should highlight the part I was referring to:

Oh shut up. D was baiting Jim Bob to get negative karma by starting the whole GN'R mention.

If you're gonna credit Slash for those solos, keep in mind that somebody had to write the songs first.

There would be no NR solo if there was no NR.


Since VR has no NR, there's no solo like that on Contraband.

D can say what he wants about Slash's playing, but if you don't want Axl to be mentioned make sure to mention songs/solos that had nothing to do with Axl.




In recent years, I haven't heard him do anything that good. Am I allowed to say that Genesis or will you be upset?

The Hendrix tribute was great though. The solo in "Money" was cool.....

So remember, if you don't want GN'R mentions here, don't mention GN'R songs in the first place.  : ok:



/jarmo

You're his big brother now? Plenty of us can have decent discussions and arguments without calling somebody else an "absolute idiot", that too in his second response.


Wow, I just don't see your logic. You need to have a great song to have a great solo? Hmmm...

Take Angus Young for instance. AC/DC have written numerous songs, classics even. Any solo of his stand out for you? Do you think of Angus, when talking of the greatest guitar solos written? Not.

It all depends on the guitarist's talent.


Absolutely not, you're entitled to your own opinion. : ok:


Nobody has a problem with GN'R mentions here. It's just a few *cough* Axl kiss asses who seem to ruin every legitimate thread.

-1 for insults.





/jarmo

Reply to the post instead of hiding behind your karma.

It's hard to reply to your posts or take anything you say seriously when you have to insult others just because they have a different opinion than you.


AC/DC is also off topic in the VR section.

I don't think it's a good idea to bring other bands into this section right?





/jarmo

Funny how that never bothers you when a certain 'Finckadelic' poster makes his posts.


Yeah, misdirection is a great way to escape when you don't have anything to say. I guess it takes a big person to admit when somebody else has a valid point, but then that wouldn't be you, would it?

Without Slash's solos I would fall asleep while listening NR. Nuff said. 

Slash produced some amazing work whilst in GNR but my personal opinion is that the stuff I've heard from him in VR hasn't come anywhere near the same calibre.? I'm sure that there'll be some on here who'll vehemently disagree with me but my personal thought is along the lines of what you said above, Jarmo, about motivation.? I still believe that Slash has the potential to create more great work but on present evidence, I can't see him achieving this with his current band.

I feel that perhaps he is content to play what is comfortable and familiar and that it's only when he's pushed to dig a little deeper that we get to hear what he's truly capable of.? Whether it's the carrot or stick approach that works best with him I wouldn't know, but agree that a song needs to be more than the sum of its parts if it's to become one of the 'classics'.

Again it's just my personal opinion (and a purely selfish one too), but I wish Slash could find himself musical partners who'd inspire and encourage him to reach for the stars, if only to hear once more an unfamiliar track playing somewhere and just know instinctively, somewhere deep at gut level, that it's the man himself exchanging heart and soul for a few minutes of pure musical genius.
 
But, then again, maybe he's happy with the way things are..

are you serious about angus young's solo's? ofcourse he has some great solos. he always makes some lists of great solos.

i could hum his solos from all of their hits. shook me all night long, back in black, highway to hell etc.

he probably has just as many memorable solos as slash to me.

"do you think of Angus Young when you think of great guitar solos?"  ::)

yes........yes i do. and many people would agree. MAAAAANY people.

Finally I see a sensible post in this thread, it's the same for me with all the epics if it wasn't for the guitar they would probably bore me to death...

Slash produced some amazing work whilst in GNR but my personal opinion is that the stuff I've heard from him in VR hasn't come anywhere near the same calibre.? I'm sure that there'll be some on here who'll vehemently disagree with me but my personal thought is along the lines of what you said above, Jarmo, about motivation.? I still believe that Slash has the potential to create more great work but on present evidence, I can't see him achieving this with his current band.

I feel that perhaps he is content to play what is comfortable and familiar and that it's only when he's pushed to dig a little deeper that we get to hear what he's truly capable of.? Whether it's the carrot or stick approach that works best with him I wouldn't know, but agree that a song needs to be more than the sum of its parts if it's to become one of the 'classics'.

Again it's just my personal opinion (and a purely selfish one too), but I wish Slash could find himself musical partners who'd inspire and encourage him to reach for the stars, if only to hear once more an unfamiliar track playing somewhere and just know instinctively, somewhere deep at gut level, that it's the man himself exchanging heart and soul for a few minutes of pure musical genius.
 
But, then again, maybe he's happy with the way things are..

I couldn't agree more. ?Slash is my favorite guitar player without question. Though it wasn't his
work on VR that led me to this conclusion. ?I really believe that it was Axl who was pushing him
to get the very best. ?In Axls absence he has relaxed a bit, which is deserved. ?I hope that he can
find the inspirational muse as Axl provided (my opinion) to elevate his music to the noteworthy
status we believe. ?I'm hoping for a lot from Libertad but in the back of my mind I fear it will be
just another album. ?My favorite playing would include his work on "Hey Joe", and those short
pieces of work in the UYI DVD's i.e. "Wild Horses" "the Godfather Theme" and the outro (sp) to
"Double Talkin Jive" ?It is this level of work I hope to find in Libertad. ?

LT4 ? ?

Jimi Page hasnt had a great guitar riff since Led Zeppelin so does that mean he is no longer a great all time legend guitar player?


November Rain came on the radio at work the other day, and u know when a song goes off how everyone around u will get it stuck in their head and sing it all day long?


This proves absolutely nothing but NOT ONE p erson sang,whistled or hummed the lyrics or vocals. Every single person I heard the rest of the day were humming the guitar solo.

Slash has that uncanny ability to produce a solo that is a masterpiece inside a masterpiece.

U take his work away from NR and Estranged and they are still great songs but Slash's work elevated them from 8's to 10's in my opinion.

Slash may have not done a lot of great things since GNR but what the hell has Axl done since Slash left?? Axl hasnt exactly had overwhelming successs since Slash left either. Its just somewhat ridiculous to me at this point to compare guys who have released Zero material to an all time great. Outside of "Better" i have yet to hear anything impressive at all from the new guitarists. The songs like Maddy/the Blues etc are great cause of Axl but there really isnt any memorable riff or solo to speak of.


Slash never has to play guitar again and he will always be a legend based on his GNR work. The new guys have A LOT of work to do before even being mentioned in the same sentence. Basically all they have in common is workin with Axl at this point and thats where all the comparisons stop at this time.

That is right, but like Jarmo said, after Slash quitted GNR, he never had a masterpiece to produce a masterpiece solo. It's quite simple.

For example, I find ''Fall To Pieces'' solo fantastic. But that's all you can do with an average/mediocre song like that. Slash was a monster, a guitar god, when he had the chance to make solos for previously made masterpieces. That's when Slash is really at his best. I listen to November Rain played entirely in piano and I find it a masterpiece anyway. Of course, the incredible Slash's guitar parts brings the song to another (higher) level. But what can you do with a song like ''She Build Quick Machines''?

Slash is a beast, a great guitarist, but he's like the old Michael Jordan playing for the Washington Wizards. Slash needs a brilliant songwriter to be at his best. And Im not talking specifically about Axl as THAT brilliant songwriter. For example, Slash's solo in Michael Jackson's ''Give In To Me'' is probably on of the best of his career, and one of the most beautiful solos I've ever heard. That's because, again, Slash worked on a masterpiece made by a genius.

That's basically why I think that Slash is losing his time next to Scott Weiland.

to me this is plain easy to discuss... both Slash and Axl need each other to make fucking great music with great quality. That?s it... ok u got some leaks of CD which are good and you got Slither and other kick ass songs in Contraband but none of those can compare to those songs which were the product of those two guys working together... this is it. Now I really dont get why we always end up discussing the same stuff over and over again. Why cant we enjoy what both bands are doing at the time (especially VR atm) peacefully? And concerning Slash?s techniques and skills, well besides Jimmy Hendrix and Page I can?t think of any other guys who can?t stand up to Slash. Just my opinion. ;)

I can agree with that 100 percent. Great Post. : ok:

Well, that is just your opinion, because to my eyes songs like TWAT, Better, Madagascar, Chinese Democracy, The Blues and CITR are ''great music'', and the last thing I think when I hear these songs is Slash... More than that: I think TWAT and Madagascar should be in an all time top 10 GNR songs, and the solos in TWAT (specially), Maddy, Better and The Blues are outstanding, very soulful solos played by very talented guitarists.

Note that I mentioned the 75% of the new songs we know, and I'm judging DEMOS. Your comparison between the unfinished leaked tracks and a finished studio version like Slither makes me think I am not too wrong.

Axl Rose is NOT unable to make great music without Slash. To be honest, I'm very happy of the new musical direction GNR is having. I dont want to think in the possibility of a reunited AFD lineup making songs like Spectacle/Illegal i, instead of songs like TWAT and Maddy...

well... that?s ur opinion and I respect that. but I really don?t agree with it. I can?t put TWAT (though I think its the best new song gnr have atm) or Better next to the old songs whatsoever. And to me, Slither has much more of the old sound that these new leaks we have been hearing and of course I really am more into Slither and VR kind of songs than TWAT or the other leaks which go into a different direction that I don?t quite like, to be honest. Twat, Maddy as u refer, in my opinion, got nothing of the old sound that made us love this band from the start, and if they ever reunited u wouldnt hear stuff like that. What I really think is that both TWAT and Slither together or not don?t stand up to the old songs whatsoever. And that is due (once again, it?s my honest opinion) both Axl and Slash don?t have each other.

Axl Rose in 10 years has created great songs like you say estebanf, But Slash has created great songs too, I don't mean only in Velvet Revolver, I'm talking about Slash'snakepit, but none of them have created amazing songs like November Rain, Scom, Mr. brownstone, ?Nightrain, Estranged or Coma. So we can conclude that they need be together to create inmortal songs, that confirm too that Guns n' Roses is broken, Guns are in Velvet Revolver and the Roses are in the current Axl's band, ( the "N'" belongs to Izzy ?:hihi: )

just like I said  : ok:

Slash wrote a lot of great guitar stuff since the UYIs. Anyone who thinks that Neither Can I, Beggars, Be The Ball (yes, Be The Ball), Back and Forth Again, Shine, Ain't Life Grand, Serial Killer, Obsession or YGNR isn't a masterpiece is tone deaf or his/her hatred doesn't let him realize the obvious. Slash made big in these songs. Very big. All would have been flawless GN'R songs with Axl singing. Slash's post GN'R work (well, Snakepit and not VR) musically far better than the UYI stuff in overall. (Cannot be said the same about lyrics and vocal melodies though.)
BTW I agree with those who say that a great singer (like Axl) can motivate him to do even better - but sometimes you can't top what he did. How could anything better than Neither Can I, Shine or Serial Killer? Well, it can't be better since his playing is perfect in the mentioned songs.

Normally I don't agree with your posts but I do agree with this one except for the NR part but hey that's a matter of opinion, Good post mate? : ok:

and thats fine, I expected it.  But he is no worse for mocking me for supporting the guys who are actually in the band now.   And for bringing Axl/GnR/Robin Finck into the VR section.  Something I never mentioned, this was supposed to be about Slash.

Couldn't have said it better myself : ok: :peace:

I'd agree the songs off contraband sounded much better live than on cd....saw them 3x's Electric factory, Spectrum, and Starland NYE. ;)

All of the solos in the video you posted are from one show, are they not?

Slash is without question my favorite musician ever. Note that I said Favorite and not best ever. It's not just knowing what to play, it's knowing how and why it needs to be played. That being said if GnR never existed I don't think anyone would rank him all that high based off Contraband. I like VR alot (altho pretty disappointed by all the libertad stuff I have heard so far) but it seems like an awkward fit to me. And even as a big STP fan growing up I must say I have always thought the greatest frontmen ever know that there needs to be a time and place for the guitar and Scott doesn't. Bon Scott let Angus go nuts for the 2nd half of "whole lotta rosie", (By the way whoever said Angus doesn't have any memorable solos should probably do a little research and check that one out) Robert Plant let Jimmy Page shine for countless songs and so forth. Axl Knew that pretty well too. I think he may have been the biggest fan of Slash's playing back in the day. The songs Axl wrote by himself all left big spaces for Slash to do his thing.
And on the original topic I saw VR twice and really loved it the first time when him and Dave were trading solos during "Set me Free". Best Slash Solos in VR: No More No More, Slither, Money.

Axl can create great songs without Slash, Some of the new ones are fantastic but every new song outside of Better lacks something that Im not sure even the most die hard Axl fan can deny.

I listen to some of the new tracks and just think to myself what they would sound like with Slash.


TWAT is ok, personally it isnt a top 20 GNR song, the solo is good but nowhere near the level of GNR classics same with Catcher,The Blues, Madagascar.

IRS is decent but still none of these songs outside of "Better" really have a riff to speak of which concerns me a little.

Perphaps, music is subjective after all. Maybe the example was bad but Angus doesn't do anything for me.

what the fuck?  you are going on and on about Axl and GnR in the vr section. Shut the fuck up about it.    No, not all of us think anything is missing from these songs, GnR doesn't need Slash.  fuck man.

So u can have an opinion and we are all suppose to respect that but I can't have one?

It'd better if we wouldn't talk about Axl's new songs here. There are plenty of topics for that.

BTW I appreciate Wheres Izzy's post, it was a great one!  : ok: