Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Okay so a little while ago, we hear Axl make his tenative date, almost May still nothing.   Yet all these new tour dates are being booked.  Yes it is good and exciting that they r still active and actually doing something and booking shows.  But I'd rather see the god damn album BEFORE they tour the whole world.  Especially when none of the shows are in my area, except for the Everrett one that I attended.  I don't know about you but I think Axl should be spending more of his time and effort getting the ALBUM out then getting ready and booking for shows to go on tour. :rant:

You're assuming that it's not done or it can't be done before June?

Why?




/jarmo

It just seems like a repeat of everything we've seen, I'm not a negative person, I would just way rather see the album come out BEFORE they do the next leg. 

approx 8 weeks right? with "proper" promotion..whatever that means

so lets say 6-10 weeks from the time we hear about it until the thing drops

so tommorrow is may 1st.....6 weeks from tommorrow is June 5th.....10 weeks from tomorrow is July 3rd...so IF? they announce its ready to go tommorrow then it'll possibly be out within that time frame :hihi:

the only thing we can do is take it a week at a time then count up 8 weeks....right now we sit at a mid-june release at best :peace: to assume anymore than that is pointless...hell mid june assumption is pointless....cuz we just dont know anythign until they tell us :no: if you dont agree....dont buy concert tickets....pretty easy solution

They haven't toured since December. I assume they've been working on something other than the live show since then.....


Unfortunately there's been some delays (as mentioned on gunsnroses.com) that prevented the album from being out already.


We all want to hear the album, but at the same time I can understand not just "rushing" it out there. When you've spent a lot of time and energy on getting something right, you just don't want to take a short cut at the end when the finishing line is in sight.

I feel confident that when everything is in place and right, the album will be out.




/jarmo

why would i not buy concert tickets? ?I love and support the band, I just wish they'd get the damn album out, or at least give us an announcement about that before booking MORE shows, the first leg, yeah that was cool that they were doing shows and were out there again, and it still is cool that they r doing more shows and out there again...I just think it is about time they put that album out and gave us some new info about it rather then just booking more shows...Beginning to think Axl's just trying to get money from the shows to pay back the record company lol.

well if you disagree with how the band is being run at the moment then why would you support their tour? :confused:

because boycotting is stupid, and i support the band and tour, just wish tey would put the album out first or work on it more, either way whatever they r doing i support guns n' roses, i just wish the priorities appeared to be different then the way they r appearing now

I agree with Jarmo here. It's official that the recording is done, and most likely mixing & mastering is done aswell or at least close to. I'm sure that it's legal issues or, as was rumoured, the search for a new proper management, which is understandable. It wouldn't be a smart move after all what has happened, to release the album & promote the band without a good management. My guess is that the promotion might start midway through the tour, since it seems Guns will be touring until the end of the year.

me too ?: ok:

I totally aggree with Jarmo...or at least about 95% on this topic.  There's really no reason to think that they are or are not doing anything with the album right now.  Nobody has said either way.


However, this line was funny:

They haven't been to any of these countries with this line - up, therefore they can tour without releasing CD to introduce the band, reacquaint fans with the music and introduce 2/3 new songs. ?The trick is before touring Europe or the USofA again, new materical needs to be released to justify touring there again.

Therefore the rumour about an Irish concert in November is interesting as it suggests a possibility of a UK or full European tour, which suggest a CD release plan...

mixin' mastering close to be made??????? This must be a joke, what the hell is happenin' with this band is really rare, how long does it takes them to do it, a few years. bands don't take so much time doin' it. after so much years i find really hard to believe this kind of words

with this band, we should all know there really is nothing you can believe until you see it.  Which I GUESS could be what makes all our predictions blind ones.

Just because you don't understand something and can't relate to it, doesn't mean it's wrong.

Bands release shit records every week. Does that make it normal to release shit? Should everybody just do it like that? One hit song and 13 fillers. Is that the norm these days?





/jarmo

I think we will hear the album after the tour.

I nominate ktucker450 . ?Now go and get that album wrapped up for us!!! ? : ok:

yes it is normal, but lots of bands release amazing records in a 3 year period. ?Those bands who release shit records...usually are shitty bands which plays a ?big role. ?I'm not saying this record should be done in a year, I'm not saying it should be released just like that, it's just a little frustrating to hear them going on tour over and over and hear NOTHING about the album, not only that, but if the album was out Axl's tours would probably sell a lot better too. ?It's only common sense. ?Now, good bands however, Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, etc. barely ever took longer than a few years, certainly not 14 or 15 or whatever the hell it is we are nearing now, lost count a while ago..all im saying is, album should be first before tour, and if they are close, give us something, even if its BS say something i mean BS has excited us for the past few years lol.

Yeah it's so "funny".

It's like if you spent the whole day preparing a nice meal for your family and friends, but in order to save time you take the thing out of the oven too early so the end result tastes like shit.




/jarmo

prolly '98 at the earliest....so 8-9 years they've been working on it. but who knows what pitfalls theyve encountered along the way...we know Robin quit and came back...we know Freese quit...we know BH quit....hell they may have started over from scratch a couple times...we dont know.... :-\

That's valiant of you, trying to apply logic to this situation :hihi:

Its been over 2 months since the last update on Chinese Democracy. ?I can understand how this album would take longer than normal to mix given its complexity, but what I don't understand is how Axl could have estimated that it would be possible to release by March 6. ?Anyway, I can only assume that the album is still being mixed at this point or is not being worked on at all, either of which case would result in no new updates. ?I'd expect a new update once a final release date has been confirmed which would likely be within a couple weeks of when the final mix is given to the record company.

this kind of reply is getting sooo tired!

ok Jarmo, what evidence do you have that the will get the album out by June?

here is some evidence that it may not be, all be it circumstancial.....



1. 14 to 15 years without an album with new material.

2. the lack of stability in the band since that time (but i'll admit the last year has been good, but who knows what can happen!)

3. the false starts, 2000, 2002. these tours were supposed to be in support of the album, but broke down and nothing happened

4. Lack of communication with fans. it takes an age to get official news on the official site, instead we learn it from other band members pages and third party websites.

5. No news on the album since the tentative date was made impossible.

....i really cant be bothered typing any more reasons.....

my question to you is, what do you have to be positive about concerning the release of the album?

that means you cant say things like "but the band are touring", and "when its ready"

im not trying to pick a fight or anything, its just i dont get all the mystery in your replies most of the time.

you're right that the album may drop in June, but past incidents and tjhe bands track record kinda hints that it wont

cheers

Davie

but 2 years of that were touring UYI's, 1 year was during the breakup and then a new band had to be assembled..which basically took until 1998 or 99 (4-5 years)


we have no idea what the stability of this band is :peace:

answers to 3-5...well jsut cuz they arent talking doesnt mean they arent doing anything...but it also doesnt mean they are doing something....we have no idea :hihi: (Man i feel like i've said this alot today :rofl: )


I'm trying not to speculate too much :hihi:

Oh come on, dude. ?You gotta lighten up a little bit. ?I just think that the idea that they don't want to "rush" this album's release is a bit ironic and funny.


And now for this guy:





And that's the thing, isn't it. ?All the "evidence" that the album won't be out soon is ALL circumstantial. ?It's all guesses. ?There's no real, solid evidence that the album won't be out soon. ?Nothing.

all the recording was done and the band was mixing in feb.
Before, between or after those tours it will come out.


You might have seen them already but there're fans that haven't seen the band as the shows were not in their areas last year or for 14 years and an unprecedented demand from them.

That's why I used quotes. I knew a funny guy like you would pick up on that.




I didn't say it would be.  ::)


Fuck the past.




/jarmo

What exactly do you think he should be  doing? The album  is being mixed. What else  would you like him to be doing?

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN!  I just got Jarmo'd.


A tip of the hat to ya.

I for one take the tour as a great positive that the album is about to come out.

If they finish this tour however and we don't get an album, Im gonna get concerned.

Interesting... so you think the album IS done Jarmo? Best (GN'R related) news I've heard in a long time!!! Do you assume it's done or did you get the info from the GN'R camp? Either way, great news!!!

Absolutely.


No. I remember the record being set for release in late 1999.

i think you better re-read that article :hihi:


that was the industrial "2000 intentions" phase i think...before that axl hadn't taked since 93...besides its hardly a definate answer. "We're hoping" :-\

Are you fucking stupid?
Not everyone started liking the band in 2002. I clearly remember Goldstein saying they wanted it out by the end of the year. And that was in 1999.

I didn't get any news.

I just refuse to assume the worst all the time.


I'm confident that they want it done and released as soon as possible. It's just common sense.




/jarmo

I don't think you have to worry about that... ?
:rofl:

Maybe because this is how Axl gets money to continue tinkering on the album. The record label cut him off so he needs $... how does he get those $... Chinese Democracy Tour - Part 3!
 ::)

What I said to Danny... The same goes for you.....  ::)





/jarmo

well i think at least one of us is stupid :hihi:

where did i say that you started liking the band in 2002? :-\ gimme a quote from Mr. Doug, then, from when he said that :-*

I was talking about you. And go find it yourself, I have a good memory, I don't base my knowledge on digging up articles from 8 years ago and pretending I remember it.

Yeah I remember that too. They said it would be out in '99...

ok then ::) you need to fucking relax there sweetcheeks....i'm sorry i assumed you could carry on a rational discussion..

since you remember it it must be fucking gospel....you cant back up a claim? then dont type anything :P

Look, I don't need to prove shit to you, myself and other people here know what we heard in 1999.
Just because you weren't around doesn't make it false. Please move on with the discussion, this singling out thing on message boards really ain't my cup of tea.

I started liking the band in 2003.  :hihi:

Wanting something out doesn't sound like having it set for release, does it?

yeah i wasn't around in 1999..... :hihi:

fuck you  :rant: i just asked for a quote is all....and you freak out...sorry that i thought you were talking about the kurt loder interview...is that better tough guy? now does anyone know what goldstien interview this douchebag is talking about?

16 years is the definition of "not rushing it". There are people who are parents who weren't born when Use Your Illusion came out. The album's had long enough - studio perfectionism and creative procrastination must be responsible for some of the delays.

Hahaha, holy shit, way to go with insulting people over the internet and then accusing me of being the tough guy. I hate it when these Greatest Hits buyers act like they invented Gn'R. Good luck with your life man, I got better things to do than sit here and throw insults around online like a fucking idiot.

then fuckoff :hihi:

FYI i never even bought the GH : ok:

This guy is unreal :hihi:

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=30

go fuck yourself asshole with the incredible memory : ok:

Man, you're so cool every time you insult people online for no reason, you're the kind of guy kids look up to.
Has it occured to you that some of us actually read news articles here on this site back in 1999?
Not everyone has to dig up old articles to look for clues of what happened in the past in a desperate attempt to cover up the fact that they started liking the band in 2005. Now get off my case, I'm bored with you.

Edit: All this because I said he was wrong. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

How 'bout a life?

Hello?

The album has never been this close to a release.

You can say what you want, but they haven't been mixing it since 1993.

Anybody who can use their head understands what I meant with the rushing comment.





/jarmo

Some of here have memories that go back to when they played Donington in 1988.

In 1999, you could easily say "The album has never been this close to a release" and be right, because it was closer than it was in 1998. And tommorow, it'll be even closer. I'll believe it when I hear the record.

you could actually read back in 1999? thats impressive :yes:

funny thing is that i'm not even wrong... as for my life? i got a good one thanks. : ok:

I hardly consider 10+ years to make an cd "rushing"...  With that said, it's my opinion that Axl's found a tour promoting scheme that really works.  You say a new album is "just around the corner", maybe leak a few new tracks you plan on playing live, and then go on a big tour without any intentions of officially releasing anything.  Hey, it's worked twice already.  I just don't think the third time will be the charm.  So, before June I expect a new tentative release date with maybe a couple of leaked tracks, but I really don't see the album ever coming out.  It doesn't take this long to make an album.

Another one who doesn't get it.

I don't believe it....


I even spelled it out for Danny and you still don't get it?



Ok, here's one more:

Imagine you build a mansion from scratch. You spends years planning, getting permits, building and funding it.

Then you paint it neon pink because you can't wait a few more months to get the color you want. They're all out and won't get more until the end of the summer.

So there you sit in your pink mansion and you hate the place because the fucking color sucks.

You rushed it at the end and paid the price.


I don't expect any of you to get that either because the house took years to build so how could it be rushed....  :hihi:




/jarmo

Please no more excuses for this band. ?There has never been ?anything "rushed" with Axl. ?He has not put anything out in 16yrs. ?He has had plenty of time to make about 10 great albums since then. ?I have heard the album is "closer than ever" to being released from everyone in this band. ?Please either put it out or say we are a touring band with no intention of putting out a album. ?It is really frustrating that there is never any type of communictation to the fans on what is currently going on. ?And I am not talking about the gay updates that they give us, that don't really mean anything at the GN'R homepage. ?Glad to hear they are touring again but what is really the point? ?Same set list and same new songs. ? I've heard this all before I am sorry that someone in Australia hasn't but lets think of something new.

Yeah... except it's normal for a mansion to take years to build.  If an album takes 5 years, let alone 10+ (I've actually lost track so that's the number I'm using), it's considered abnormally long.  It's just music on a cd, not a house.  That's a stupid metaphor.

ooooh a clue!!!!!!!!! ? ;D

Hey guys, lots of things changed between 2000 and now.
Do you really think GNR are working on the same stuff they were 7 years ago ?

They just have their own lives and do what they wanna do.

Music is like that, you can't force anybody to release something if he doesn't want to. There's nothing to talk about.

Chinese Democracy will be released when it's released. That's all.

It'll be out one day. Stop waiting, stop expecting anything. It'll happen and it'll be cool ! No matter how long it takes. There's a lot of other good music out there !

Wow. ?Somebody has a time machine.

If my contracter told it is going to take 16yrs to build my house because he didn't want to rush it, I think I would find someone else. ?

Maybe you should!





/jarmo

Sorry Lucs, according to these people we are wrong and they've been working on the same songs since 1993.

 :hihi:


/jarmo

so we will have the workest best song of ever  :hihi:

Hi Lucs ^^

I guess I am basing that from what songs they mentioned from the last update. ?They mentioned Madagascare, Better and IRS I believe. ?

I know they aren't working on the same songs they were working on in 1993.  But according to your mansion metaphor, the neon pink house "fucking sucks".  So you're saying everything they've been working on up until now "fucking sucks" (or at least that the current state of the album "fucking sucks").  If in 16 years the best that Axl can do "fucking sucks", then how can we expect something decent in the future?

It just changed. Don't mean that it sucked. Just let GNR do what they wanna do... you can't change anything anyway. Complaining is useless.

Hey Kendra ;) :-*

It still didn't say they would NOT play any new songs. ?Nor did it say they would NOT play any other old songs. ?The last update didn't list the entire setlist. ?

If record of Chinese Democracy is done why don't give us the set-list at least... Why is everything confuse about this damned album..

I don't know, but I think that CD don't go out this year...  :crying:

Why should they ? They'll do it when they want to :)

Well, then it'll be later. There's a new Megadeth this week, a new Ozzy in some weeks, and lots of other good CDs ! 8)

No. I said, just because you're close doesn't mean you have to say "fuck it, let's just get it done as soon as possible".






/jarmo

I don't think Axl should paint his house neon pink either.? :no:

I envy your passive attitude, but at least would be a good way to show gratefulness to so many loyal fans...

As for the "building a house" analogy, I have to say this: if the contractor was taking an especially long time I would like to be given updates on the progress. ?

However, I don't like that comparison for one main reason: building a house is not art. ?It's usually pre-determined what it's going to look like, how long it's going to take, and how much it's going to cost.

yes, they would give updates to the homeowner.   in this case that would be universal.

and the ceiling fans wouldnt know what was goin on, they wouldnt be updated at all :no:

Not necessarily. ?I would say that the "customers" would be the people who would want the updates in both situations. ?But again, I think I should reitterate that building a house is NOT like creating an album. ?Usually things aren't nearly as pre-determined with an album. ?It's an art, not construction.

The contractor would also lose business... maybe the analogy isn't too far off?

It is far off when the "contractor" is selling out shows in 30 minutes.  GNR doesn't appear to be "losing business".

Like I said awhile ago...

Axl is an artist just like a painter, and you dont go telling a painter to "hurry up and finish his fucking painting."

You wait until he gets the inspiration to finish it :)

Yeah, but where is that?  Australia or some shit?  Those poor bastards are desperate for any band to give them a live show.  Compare the number of GN'R fans in 1990 to the number now.  I'd put money on the fact that they've dropped in popularity

Well, i read this and thought, if you leave the meal in the oven too long, then you end up with the same result.  a meal that taste like shit....also usually burnt to a crisp!!

??

They're still not losing business, no matter where they're making the ching. ?

And of course there are less GNR fans in 1990 then there are now. ?There are also less RedHotChiliPepper fans now then there was in 1990...and they HAVE released albums in the interim.

Now...compare the GNR fanbase to 2002. ?I would definately say that they have NOT lost business...just based on personal experience. ?I saw GNR at the same venuew both in 2002 and in 2006. ?The tickets to the 2002 show were cheaper, but that time there was a real "empty" feel to the arena. ?Not so in 2006. ?That show was packed.

Architects shouldn't be under their clients thumbs as buildings could be even dangerous for the residents.

Axl letter says this is the project their hearts, lives and their passion have been put into every step of the way. if it took 3 years, there would be 3 years of their hearts, and lives and their passion on it and if it took 10+ years, there would be so much more for that.

Uh, I doubt there are less RHCP fans now than in 1990.  That was before BSSM came out.  AND the band continues to release new, relevant music.  Stupid comparison...

Ok.  Fine.  Then Compare it to after BSSM came out (not sure...not a RHCP fan) came out.  That's not the point.  The point is they aren't as popular now as they were in their prime.  Duh.

And even then, I don't know about that...  RHCP are pretty popular these days.

Sure they are.  Can't turn around these days without seeing a kid wearing a RHCP t-shirt.  Sorry, no.  They were at their prime in the 90's.  As was GNR.  Comparing popularity from when a band was in their prime to now is dopey.

Your mom's dopey

I really suggest people just "let go" when it comes to the album.... we have no control over it. Maybe we'll see it someday.... maybe not.... honestly... people need to accept that.

In the meantime... at least we still have Axl.... at least we still have the band.... at least they still tour....

5-10 years from now... maybe even by next year... that may not even be the case anymore....

Enjoy what you have... while it's here.

VolcomStone: what are you doing in a Guns N Roses forum?

It's not like Axl's been working on Chinese Democracy since 1993, like people think to believe. Remember that Guns (with Slash, Duff and Matt, mind you) in 1996 said they were working on an album "not as epic as Illusion, and not as raw as Appetite"?

So I think the CD project didn't start until 1997-1998. Still, a heck of a long time for an album but don't give me the "OMG CHINESE DEMWOCRASY HAS BEEN REWORKD FOR 15 YEARZ!!!!11!!!1!"

Contractors buillding your house?

WTF?

I said YOU are building a house. It means, you plan it, fund it and build it yourself.


Occasionally you might get help from people. Like with plumbing. But then you realize the plumber has other things he'd rather do than to help you so your schedule gets pushed back. All this while all your friends are asking you when the fucking thing will be done and why you can't give them a date for when they can come and use your pool.

You'll have to wait for the plumber since it's the only one who can get the plumbing right. It's your dream house and it must be right.

Instead of sitting at home waiting you go abroad for two weeks on a vacation and your friends are telling you to stay home and finish the house. They really want to use your pool!

Then you find out the paint you wanted is sold out so you either wait a while or paint the thing Poison green.





/jarmo

I agree totally with you

personally...since i'm in the construction buisiness...i'd highly recommend that someone doesnt build their own house and that they hire a contractor....they are the ones who know how to schedule the construction properly and who to hire to do the job right. Sure the owner can pick the design and the colours and finishes but the peopel who know how to do the work should do it while the owner pays them to do their job :peace:

Me too

Music is an art, and most of the great artists have frustrated people if you read your history books. It's the way things have always been

I am wanting Axl to give to the world something he thinks is great because I respect everything all the output he has given us up until now.

It took Michelangelo 3 years to paint the ceiling of the sistine chapel which is arguably the greatest piece of artwork in the history of man. Now this was done in the 1500's with no modern technology whatsoever. Now does someone want to explain how an amazing talent like Axl Rose with every modern tool and amenity at his disposal has taken twice as long and still has yet to release this record?

Hmm...maybe it's just an American thing, but if somebody says to me "I'm buidling a house" it doesn't really mean they are building it themselves.  It just means they are having a new house built specifically for them on some land they have purchased or something rather than moving into an already-built house.  Again, it's probably just a regional phrasing thing.

To answer you, no.  Nobody can answer this except for one guy...Axl himself.  That's how art works.  It takes the amount of time that the artist feels it needs to take.

well since its already taken this long, i mean we've waited this long whats a while longer really....but since he had to learn how to do everything it must have contributed to the amount of time that this album is taking to come out

but as with BillBaileys analogy....didnt michelangelo fire all his help cuz nobody could do it how he wanted it done so he did it himself? i think the same might be true with CD...

I know there are many artists, designers, and musicians on this board that know this...but here it is from an artist's perspective...

I'm a designer. ?I design 2 collections a year. ?I put my heart and soul into every collection that I design...I sketch it out, source fabrics and trims and make the patterns and samples. ?I obsessed over every single detail! ?I'm constantly changing each and every piece to make it better. ?The collection is really NEVER finished because, we, as artists are obsessive and think it's never good enough and we think we can keep improving it. ?The only way I can stop and finish my collection is because I have a deadline! ?If I don't have a collection finished before a tradeshow, the buyers don't see it. ?

Get what I'm saying

No.  Every artist is different.  If they were'nt, it would'nt be art.

"No.  Every artist is different.  If they were'nt, it would'nt be art."

Okay...Every Person is different too, if we weren't we wouldn't be human!

All of this discussion is as pointless as waiting around for the cd! The bottom line is that it should be out by now seeing as it's 2007 and almost 2 months after the "March 6th" date.  If nothing else, we should atleast know when it is coming out. But like I said before it's all pointless.  If Axl wants to rise to the top again... he has an odd way of showing it!

Right.  Everyone is different.  Glad you get it.

Can somebody please provide a link to the interview with Axl where he said the point of recording and releasing Chinese Democracy is to rise to the top again?  I don't remember him ever saying anything along those lines.

that sir, was a brilliant metaphor.

They should've planned ahead and already had the color they wanted ordered!


GET SOME!  YEAH! : ok: :hihi:

I don`t get what you are saying, you can`t compare to Axl Rose. He is not making an album for getting money. He is a person who acts under his own rules and the way he puts his feeling in his songs is what makes him special. There are good singers and goodlooking performers as Bon Jovi, for example. But Axl is special for the way he is. I admire Axl more now than in 1992, because he has demonstrated that he still doesn`t care for the opinions of other people. I really want he releases CD, but I think he has the right of release the album when he consider is the moment. And obviously he has not spent 5 or 10 or 15 years for making an album. Simply he will release the album when his heart says it is the moment.

he's just saying the album is not out and it isnt....we've been here before....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I agree to an extent.

I mean Axl being the way he is makes him special and a legend but the thing is, 4 years ago the wait and the mystique were cool but now its turning into a punchline.


Axl is starting to be remembered for what he hasnt done than all the great shit he has done and thats when it starts to become a problem.


I love the wait, i full support Axl but It truly is time to get this baby out.

Perhaps having every modern tool and amenity at his disposal is part of the problem.

I know. But are you saying we should assume Axl hired somebody to make an album for him?

Just because you don't get the analogy I made?  :P




/jarmo

good analogy....bottom line...this album has been in the works since about 1994...yes thats right 1994....so all of you who says he needed 4 more days to finish it, they are cancelling gigs to finish it ?(any of these things sound familiar?) have no clue about the history of the band...he cant let it go.....its a shame...............ive been waiting 16 fucking years for new original material (ok, oh my g-d, was great in 1999) so i think "time went by and it became a joke."

Hey. ?I'm on your side on this. ?I just don't like the analogy. ?Building a house isn't art. ?Creating an album is (or should be). ?

I just (admittedly) didn't understand the analogy. ?The way it read (at least for me) had to do with the process of building a house compared to creating an album. ?I think we're all confused here.

I wish we had some real news so we could talk about something other than pink houses and burnt dinner.

That is the point. If the goal of Axl`s life was being a legend or being on the top of fame, he would act in a different way. But I think that he simply acts the way he wants or the way his heart dictates. I don`t think he acts to be remember of a certain way. I think that for him would be very easy to act in the way everybody wants and be on the top but that is not his nature.

It?s not gonna happen, never...

Yes it will.

It will piss you off a lot. You'll be forced to come up with something new to complain about and make fun of.

Did you prepare your review already?





/jarmo

Damnit! ?Where are all these people buying these time machines?

hey, man . i cant wait until it comes out...i really hope it does...i'll rate it a "10" right now, no doubt....but i need the freakin' album to come out.............

i agree with ktucker here. i think i can speak for him saying we support the band full force everything they do is right and good and cool and if the band came to our part of the world we'd buy tickets T-shirts ect, BUT all we want after a long wait and before another wolrd tour is an album. I understand Jarmos thoughts on how why risk fucking it up after its takin' so long to get to this point at creating a masterpeice.

Personally i'd love to have the album right now, who wouldn't? But i understand that it takes time to get all the records out there after they've been made so its cool if i have to wait untill next fall. But i'd (we'd) just like an update if you will on anything that has to do with CHINESE DEMOCRACY

:beer:

so why does this thread have so many views and replies?  :no:


It's just like any other thread...nothing special here. i dont get it

Jarmo, am I right in saying that your analogies are to lead us to believe that a couple of things have fucked up the release schedule?

Generally speaking I agree that this thing should be released when it's ready and not before.

I'll just wear the fuck out of my boots in the meantime! (ps. if anyone can help me out with Hammersmith London video I will repay with a multitude of sexual favours :hihi:)

You do realize that this is a mostly male board, right?


Maybe you should replace the "V" with a "Y" in your screen-name.

 :hihi: no shit!

All I know is that it would be a real slap in the face to those in California who had their shows canceled to resume touring now and not having the album done. 

This is true.

i totally agree...........

yeah good point.

But would an update pacify us if no album is forthcoming before/during tour? I say yes, so long as it's not wishy washy bullshit.

I am in California and had tickets for 2 of those canceled shows.
I think resuming touring without an album out is still fine as long as it is somewhere the band has not performed yet.
But they'd better have an album out next time they do California....Or the US or Europe for that matter... ;D.....Not because of rabid fans like you and me, but because of the demanding music industry and public in general.

But if I have to choose between touring without an album out and no touring at all.....I mean, isn't it obvious..... ::)

they are going to play anywhere people will show up and make as much money as possible before this album is released....it's business folks...

It's even mentioned on the official site.




/jarmo

there you have it! so it must be true...end of story..........

True but what about this?

"La Sagrada Fam?lia (Catalan, 'The Holy Family') is a large Roman Catholic basilica under construction in Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain. Its formal title is Temple Expiatori de la Sagrada Fam?lia. Antoni Gaud? worked on the project for over 40 years, devoting the last 15 years of his life entirely to this endeavour. On the subject of the extremely long construction period, Gaud? is said to have joked, "My client is not in a hurry." After Gaud?'s death in 1926, work continued under the direction of Dom?nech Sugranyes until interrupted by the Spanish Civil War in 1935. ... the Sagrada Familia, which has been under construction since 1882 ... expected to be completed around 2026"


Don't nobody tell Axl!!!  :hihi:

Sorry, I  have nothing to add to this discussion (much like most of the posts already here), but I just wanted to say I love this thread.

Stop being so goddamn selfish.

Some people (ie: people downunder) havent seen GNR live for 14 years.  We all waited patiently down here while you got your turn with the touring.

I agree with the original poster. I'd much rather see them release the album than pay to watch them perform most of AFD again with a few "new" songs.

agreed. axl should stick to his words circa 1989..."I want to bury appetite!" i cant agree more...also, the "new" songs arent that new anymore....the blues, chinese democracy and madagascar are 6 years old!!!! play new stuff...all of it is better than appetite!!!!

I disagree - their last 3 albums of sold really well! They have a whole new fanbase on top of their old fanbase.

Is a ceiling only thing you see when you enter a building and not the wall?