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Title: Single Speculation
Post by: creepingvines on April 29, 2007, 08:55:46 AM
from gnr.com:
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Fans can expect to hear GN'R classics such as "Welcome To the Jungle," "November Rain," "Patience" and "Sweet Child O' Mine" along with blistering new songs from the band's forthcoming Chinese Democracy album, including "Madagascar," "IRS," and "Better."

so, we've got the 4 biggest hits of the past mentioned next to 3 new songs, does that imply that these will be the singles?  or are they just mentioned because they're leaks people have heard?  thoughts?


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: Gunner_Rose on April 29, 2007, 09:27:37 AM
I think that they said it because these are most heard songs from the new album. But in my opinion the single will be another song that we don't know.


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: overmatik on April 29, 2007, 10:01:10 AM
I don't know, but I can't imagine a single not being "Better", that Harley Davidson ad gave us the tip!! The single would be released at that time, if the things had gone in a good way.... :-\


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: faldor on April 29, 2007, 10:18:53 AM
They're just going with what they know.  Those songs have been played at previous shows, so they will be heard this time around.


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: Demon Wolf on April 29, 2007, 10:20:55 AM
Bring Better to the people!

If there is a better song than Better... wooosh.  :o


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: Sizzle on April 29, 2007, 10:21:47 AM
....Some people look way too far into things, chances are they just mentioned them because they are the most popular. I doubt it is a hidden clue as to what singles will be released.


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: MikeD on April 29, 2007, 10:45:20 AM
They're mentioned because they've already been played at shows and the band said until they release CD then they're pretty much sticking with last year's set list. There's no mystery here.


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: BillBailey on April 29, 2007, 12:38:43 PM
Maybe these one of these songs will be a later single. But IMO they have a unheard of song that they are going to release as a first single. If it was a song that we have already heard they could just release it now.


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: ppbebe on April 29, 2007, 12:49:46 PM
I assume that's simply because I said IRS and Better were tops and Madagascar recently smote me. :P


Rather than singles, I'd smell a slight difference in nuance between


to hear GN'R classics such as "Welcome To the Jungle," "November Rain," "Patience" and "Sweet Child O' Mine" along with blistering new songs from the band's forthcoming Chinese Democracy album, including "Madagascar," "IRS," and "Better."

and

to hear blistering new songs from the band's forthcoming Chinese Democracy album, including "Madagascar", "IRS" and "Better", along with GN'R classics such as "Welcome To the Jungle", "November Rain", "Patience" and "Sweet Child O' Mine".


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: GNRreunioneventually on April 29, 2007, 02:05:59 PM
with the comment in your post i figured your question would be "will they play new matieral :o"

in the mean time they probably did just mention those cause those are the most popular old/new songs by G'n'R; so far ;)


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: russtcb on April 29, 2007, 02:52:39 PM
At this point I'd have to say, I'd be shocked it Better isn't the first single. I really think TWAT will be a later single too.


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: Timothy on April 29, 2007, 03:57:34 PM
At this point I'd have to say, I'd be shocked it Better isn't the first single. I really think TWAT will be a later single too.

I agree Better is probable going to be the first single. then a unheard song or two then TWAT .


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: Q4Q4LS1 on April 30, 2007, 03:28:17 AM
I'll be very disappointed if better is the single. I gaurantee it won't be

Its a good song but not a comeback first single song.

it hasta be something unreal


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: gnr2k6 on April 30, 2007, 06:12:58 AM
i think that this is the tour to unleash loads of new songs


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: Nightrain7 on April 30, 2007, 07:54:17 AM
i think that this is the tour to unleash loads of new songs
I disagree.. Personally i want to have a surprise when CD comes out, We already know half the songs on the album( if the leaks are going to be on it) I dont want more..

I think Better will be a great single, everyone who i know who has heard it loves the song..


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: bodine on April 30, 2007, 11:49:56 AM
They're mentioned because they've already been played at shows and the band said until they release CD then they're pretty much sticking with last year's set list. There's no mystery here.

And of the songs they've played live, who even know if they would have played them if not for them being leaked in the first place.  Maybe there were others they planned on playing but didn't want people knowing most of the material on the album before it even comes out.  Without being familiar with all the material on the album, I don't think there's any way you can predict what the first single will be.......  But I would guess something we've not heard.


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: Neemo on April 30, 2007, 12:30:15 PM
NO SPECULATION ALLOWED!

band orders :hihi:


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: ppbebe on April 30, 2007, 12:49:37 PM
i think that this is the tour to unleash loads of new songs
I disagree.. Personally i want to have a surprise when CD comes out, We already know half the songs on the album( if the leaks are going to be on it) I dont want more..

1+1=2 ? :D

NO SPECULATION ALLOWED!

band orders :hihi:

My bad. :-X


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: markreed on April 30, 2007, 01:59:10 PM
The only new song they've played at every show is "The Blues", odds are they'll play that one.


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: AxlsMainMan on April 30, 2007, 02:55:37 PM
The Blues would make an extraordinary second single.

A "rocker" would be ideal as the first, but The Blues would make a tremendous follow-up single : ok:


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: Fortus on April 30, 2007, 03:03:41 PM
I would like to say that the single will be an unheard song, but I think it will be Better


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: AxlsMainMan on April 30, 2007, 03:08:52 PM
Dont you think "Better" being the first single would be a bit anti-climatic at this point, with the second version leaking and gaining radio airplay earlier this year?

I think it would have made the perfect first single, although now I think some of the surprise and intrigue surrounding it has worn off, even perhaps for the general public.


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: crazycheryl on May 01, 2007, 11:40:21 AM
I am starting to think we will get nothing as in naming the album Chinese democracy which is an oxymoron because it doesn't exist. I think Axl called it that because the CD does not exist and it doesn't have to because this could all be one big marketing ploy. Someone suggested this and it really makes sense to me. He will keep the CD Chinese Democracy and string us along for another five more years saying that he is in the process of doing whatever.

I would love a single but I unfortunately don't think we are going to get one. Something is way up with this band. I don't mean to be negative but all that is happening just doesn't jive. And especially the waiting and waiting and waiting...


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: ppbebe on May 01, 2007, 12:10:51 PM
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it doesn't exist. I think Axl called it that because the CD does not exist and it doesn't have to because this could all be one big marketing ploy.

Your idea would sound old in 2005...but now it's rather fresh. I'm impressed.  ???


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: axl32rose on May 01, 2007, 01:33:34 PM
That actually makes alot of sense and i hope to god it is not true..   i was the biggest GnR fan that walked the earth but ever since the March 6 tenative release date coming and going and no word on the album i really started to lose my love for this band.  i seen them live in Halifax on Novemeber 20, 2006 and they have so much potential and could really kick ass if they released the album and started releasing albums again.  what a waste of awesome talent.  Axl if you are reading this man i hope you understand you have a ton of fans that absolutley love you and Guns N' Roses,  please give us some sort of update on the album,  i really dont think we can hang on much longer, we know you are busy and have stuff going on but us fans admire you and the band so much and all we ask for is some honest information regarding the album or a single,  that would make all of us so damn happy.

take care and all the best
                                            Axl29Rose,.,.,.,,.


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: bodine on May 01, 2007, 02:10:39 PM
I am starting to think we will get nothing as in naming the album Chinese democracy which is an oxymoron because it doesn't exist. I think Axl called it that because the CD does not exist and it doesn't have to because this could all be one big marketing ploy. Someone suggested this and it really makes sense to me. He will keep the CD Chinese Democracy and string us along for another five more years saying that he is in the process of doing whatever.

I would love a single but I unfortunately don't think we are going to get one. Something is way up with this band. I don't mean to be negative but all that is happening just doesn't jive. And especially the waiting and waiting and waiting...

r u actually serious?  you conspiracy theorists are funny people.  Didn't he have a listening party at his house?  At least Sebastian Bach and however many others were there would have to be in on it...  So they wrote, what, like 6 songs just as part of a practical joke or scam or whatever you would call that?  Or if he actually has an albums worth of material and doesn't plan on releasing it, then IMO it is the worst marketing ploy I've ever heard of since he'd make a helluva lot more money if there were an album to go with all these tours...  That makes absolutely zero sense to me.

I believe it's more likely he just gets a kick out making everyone wait...


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: novrain91 on May 01, 2007, 04:32:28 PM
Well
I am starting to think we will get nothing as in naming the album Chinese democracy which is an oxymoron because it doesn't exist. I think Axl called it that because the CD does not exist and it doesn't have to because this could all be one big marketing ploy. Someone suggested this and it really makes sense to me. He will keep the CD Chinese Democracy and string us along for another five more years saying that he is in the process of doing whatever.

I would love a single but I unfortunately don't think we are going to get one. Something is way up with this band. I don't mean to be negative but all that is happening just doesn't jive. And especially the waiting and waiting and waiting...

r u actually serious? you conspiracy theorists are funny people. Didn't he have a listening party at his house? At least Sebastian Bach and however many others were there would have to be in on it... So they wrote, what, like 6 songs just as part of a practical joke or scam or whatever you would call that? Or if he actually has an albums worth of material and doesn't plan on releasing it, then IMO it is the worst marketing ploy I've ever heard of since he'd make a helluva lot more money if there were an album to go with all these tours... That makes absolutely zero sense to me.

I believe it's more likely he just gets a kick out making everyone wait...

Well that would be pretty fucking morbid if that were true! I can see how legal problems, band changes,etc. could hold things up for awhile, but not this long.  This is obviously speculation, but there must really be something F'ed up going on behind the scenes because I honestly think Axl wants to release this cd as soon as possible.  Maybe he just has demons of insecurity and doubt that he can't beat yet.  Either way, I'm curious to find out what the hell has taken so long!


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: estranged27 on May 03, 2007, 09:35:37 PM
most likely better will be the single but i'd like to see Chinese Democracy as the first single. its a hard rocker and is getting very positive feedback in its new form


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: oldgunsfan on May 03, 2007, 09:54:36 PM
The Blues would make an extraordinary second single.

A "rocker" would be ideal as the first, but The Blues would make a tremendous follow-up single : ok:

Chinese Democracy?? :o  This song is still kick ass ;D


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: MikeD on May 03, 2007, 10:20:30 PM
I am starting to think we will get nothing as in naming the album Chinese democracy which is an oxymoron because it doesn't exist. I think Axl called it that because the CD does not exist and it doesn't have to because this could all be one big marketing ploy. Someone suggested this and it really makes sense to me. He will keep the CD Chinese Democracy and string us along for another five more years saying that he is in the process of doing whatever.






Uh, yeah, right. Then how do you explain the song Chinese Democracy. That exists, right?




Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: 1987 on May 03, 2007, 11:31:41 PM
they should re-release "14 years"  (14 years of silence,14 years of pain...)  then follow up that with better, the blues, new rocker


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: C0ma on May 05, 2007, 12:06:40 PM
IMO... CD will be the single. best new track I've heard so far.
Should be the single.


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: GunnerOne 84 on May 05, 2007, 01:37:05 PM
After listening to it, I would  be shocked if CD wasn't the first single. I was never a huge fan of the  song until today.


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: Skinflick on May 05, 2007, 01:38:37 PM
After listening to it, I would? be shocked if CD wasn't the first single. I was never a huge fan of the? song until today.

Same here.....never dug the song that much....but now.....HOLY SHIT...!!!!!1


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: ShotgunBlues1978 on May 05, 2007, 01:44:19 PM
Chinese Democracy in this form would make an excellent single.  I think it would appeal to the modern rock crowd, and hell it's one of the heaviest GnR songs I've heard in this version.  But I still choose Better as the best all around option for a single, it has everything, it rocks, it's catchy, it has pop appeal.  The Blues is pretty striking too, it would make a great follow up single but it's too soft for the lead single


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: KIKO2K6 on May 05, 2007, 01:49:10 PM
CD Should be the single...what MONSTER track. :smoking:


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: Bandita on May 05, 2007, 01:58:11 PM
After recent developments I would love to see CD as the 1st single.  Wow....


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: Butch Français on May 05, 2007, 02:07:36 PM
if it's one of the songs we've heard, I bet it'll be IRS or CD.


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: The Dog on May 05, 2007, 02:09:19 PM
i don't know, sounds very NIN/MM late 90s.  we're getting close to 2010.  I hope this is just an early version.  still, TONS of potential and I really dig parts of it.


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: SLCPUNK on May 05, 2007, 02:19:21 PM
I'm thinking better, it is very radio friendly and tight IMO.


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: November_Rain on May 05, 2007, 02:42:30 PM
I bet the single will be "Chinese Democracy" or something we haven?t heard.


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: Demon Wolf on May 05, 2007, 02:49:17 PM
I think Better would be a better first single, honestly.


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: ShotgunBlues1978 on May 05, 2007, 02:51:31 PM
I think Better would be a better first single, honestly.

No question.  Although a Better single with Chinese Democracy as the B-side would be ideal.  Better would get play on all stations from mainstream and modern rock to more pop stations.  Chinese D would get heavy play on rock stations.  It would also do a nice job of once again showing the versatility of GnR


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: Tatu on May 05, 2007, 03:06:56 PM
I think Chinese Democracy will be the first single. Besides, it will be the open song for the shows. :)


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: von on May 05, 2007, 03:27:19 PM
I think the lead single will be CD, although I'd expect Better down the line.


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: ppbebe on May 05, 2007, 06:53:57 PM
CD is the song that got me and attracted me to this band in the first place. It will make a great opener.

Yet I think better is more suitable for a first single.


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: Jim Bob on May 05, 2007, 06:57:18 PM
Better would be good, Chinese Democracy would be great.   


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: 25 on May 05, 2007, 06:59:47 PM
CD is the song that got me and attracted me to this band in the first place. It will make a great opener.

Yet I think better is more suitable for a first single.


CD has a more unique sound than Better. It's more distinct and memorable in my opinion. I'd go with that as the first single, followed by Better and TWAT.


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: Continental Drift on May 07, 2007, 04:21:01 AM
"Better". They can't fuck around out of the gate... and that song has already gottin' a few big "thumbs up" from the music media...

Of course I would prefer a great (as of yet unheard) rocker in the spirit of WTTJ or YCBM... but UNLESS they've got somethin' sittin' around that's 100% that quality... play it safe with "Better".


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: oneway23 on May 07, 2007, 08:48:17 AM
"Better" is the way forward...Little bit of something for everyone.


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: greendog on May 07, 2007, 08:50:23 AM
i think chinese democracy... man, with that intro. better would be my second choice.

of course, my opinion will probably change when i hear what else has to be unleashed.


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: Demon Wolf on May 07, 2007, 09:06:53 AM
Silkworms anyone?  : ok:


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: Timothy on May 07, 2007, 09:07:19 AM
i think chinese democracy... man, with that intro. better would be my second choice.

of course, my opinion will probably change when i hear what else has to be unleashed.

that is what I thinking to . : ok:

they could just release two singles though CD and better.


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: Luigi on May 07, 2007, 09:14:12 AM
What ever happened to the three albums that were post to come out???


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: Timothy on May 07, 2007, 09:15:29 AM
What ever happened to the three albums that were post to come out???

I don't even think god knows the answer to that question.


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: greendog on May 07, 2007, 09:24:05 AM
they could just release two singles though CD and better.
yeah that would be cool.

if i was to be completely honest, id love them to release multitrack files of silkworms as like a b-side thing so i could do experimental remixes and stuff. that would be the bomb!


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: Timothy on May 07, 2007, 09:25:39 AM
they could just release two singles though CD and better.
yeah that would be cool.

if i was to be completely honest, id love them to release multitrack files of silkworms as like a b-side thing so i could do experimental remixes and stuff. that would be the bomb!

sorta like do what NIN did with a single a while back put it up for fans to re-mix it.that would be cool.


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: greendog on May 07, 2007, 10:40:19 AM
sorta like do what NIN did with a single a while back put it up for fans to re-mix it.that would be cool.

yeah, trents fucking amazing. i love remixing all that stuff :D woo. the new album is fantastic.


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: Naupis on May 07, 2007, 10:54:20 AM
The radio edit of CD would totally cut off and neuter the intro, so it might not be the best single choice.

Probably going to be something like Better that is friendly and easy on the ears because the first single means basically everything to the project succeeding.


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: The Prez on May 07, 2007, 11:03:26 AM
It would be absolutely ridiculous to release a single which we already heard now for some years on the net (the leaks etc). If they want to release a single, it needs to be one we have never heard before.


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: JDA on May 07, 2007, 11:16:41 AM
Wow!  Got to go with the new CD!  I love that intro and the scream as well.  I really wish we could get some kind of info from the band.  Also agree you have to open up the new shows with this version.


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: bushkarocks!! on May 07, 2007, 11:21:11 AM
i hope they bring out cd as first single
i have let hear to axl guns haters  man they love it !!


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: ppbebe on May 07, 2007, 11:38:52 AM
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we already heard now for some years on the net (the leaks etc)

How many are we? We are not the people who need a single to get interested in the album.

CD is the song that got me and attracted me to this band in the first place. It will make a great opener.

Yet I think better is more suitable for a first single.


CD has a more unique sound than Better. It's more distinct and memorable in my opinion.

True. Somehow I can't make out what the voices are saying in the beginning tho. That's punk.
Both have an unique sound respectively.
Better has positive vibes and a peppy and dynamic movement. It's probably more accessible to everyone.


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: ShotgunBlues1978 on May 07, 2007, 12:08:45 PM
It would be absolutely ridiculous to release a single which we already heard now for some years on the net (the leaks etc). If they want to release a single, it needs to be one we have never heard before.

The only people who've heard these songs are, for the most part, big time GnR fans who are going to buy the album regardless.  Aside from Better and IRS getting a few spins on the radio before getting shut down by management, most people haven't heard these songs.  And singles are all about generating mainstream attention.  Die hard fans who they know will be there to buy CD the day it comes out are not the biggest concern when releasing a single, the single is meant to generate interest amongst casual fans


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: Buddha_Master on May 07, 2007, 05:13:51 PM
I'll repeat it here.

CD says "GNR is back and we haven't lost a motherfucking thing you stupid fucking TWAT."

Unless they have another rocker we haven't heard that better says that then CD does. But as it stands...


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: Tatu on May 07, 2007, 07:34:30 PM
I'm doubting between CD or Better.


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: 1987 on May 07, 2007, 08:57:35 PM
2 days ago i would have said  Better hands down..  i didn't even like the song Chinese Democracy.. now however.. its pretty darn close.. amazing... what i thought was such a weak track..is now one of my favorites.. dieing to hear a studio version of Rhiad.. i really hope that sees the light of day..either on the album.. as a b side.. or a leak.. an 06 version of OMG would fire me up too


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: bazgnr on May 07, 2007, 09:11:51 PM
It would be absolutely ridiculous to release a single which we already heard now for some years on the net (the leaks etc). If they want to release a single, it needs to be one we have never heard before.

The only people who've heard these songs are, for the most part, big time GnR fans who are going to buy the album regardless.? Aside from Better and IRS getting a few spins on the radio before getting shut down by management, most people haven't heard these songs.? And singles are all about generating mainstream attention.? Die hard fans who they know will be there to buy CD the day it comes out are not the biggest concern when releasing a single, the single is meant to generate interest amongst casual fans

I agree, and my money's still on "Better."  However, my opinion of "CD" has skyrocketed in the past 24 hours....


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: ShotgunBlues1978 on May 07, 2007, 09:31:42 PM
an 06 version of OMG would fire me up too

Hell a 2001 version of OMG would fire me up, with the new effects in the intro and the Buckethead guitars that they had at RIRIII

OMG is one of the most underrated GnR songs, even though the version on the End Of Days soundtrack sounded kind of rushed, it's still a good song and Axl's lyrics are excellent


Title: Re: Single Speculation
Post by: GNR4L on May 07, 2007, 10:16:24 PM
The Single will be Better remember we haven't heard the finished version and who cares if a unfinished demo has been around for a year its not the FINAL VERSION.