Here Today... Gone To Hell!

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/news/shownews.php?newsid=1794


 

There is a tiny little Izzy news among the headlines on the first page. I wanna state that I like to read every news, even tiny ones about past and present members of Guns N' Roses. But the VR news, even big ones don't make the first page. If an Izzy sighting worth it, then please explain why the release date of VR's second album isn't there. Thank You.

because Izzy is (or at least was last year) involved with the band and Velvet Revolver is not ?

And because this is a GN'R website I don't see why VR related news should get press here. They don't have enough webspace ?

Izzy regulary joined GN'R during the 2006 dates and therefore is quite relevant.

VR has no relevance to the current line up. Also they seem to do a good job of generating their own publicity around here, when they need to..

Folks, this is ridiculous. So Sebastian Bach or some shitty opening bands are more relevant on a GN'R 'fan' site than those guys' new band who strongly contributed to every album GN'R released and like 85 percent of the songs the new band play live?  ::) 

(Where is the vomit emoticon?)

go to a vr forum

here you go
http://www.velvetrevolverforum.com

problem solved : ok:

Are you a mod here? If not then shut up. Thank you. The day you become a mod here I delete my account.  :-*

i'm not trying to be a mod, i'm telling you common sense.     Its a GnR site, not a VR site.    Its painfully obvious.  I dont need to be a mod to see that.

If you can't understand that Velvet Revolver is a different band and really doesn't have anything to do wtih the current state of GnR, then I don't know what else to tell you.   They have their own websites.  Check them out even.

problem solved :), lets get back to the news on Izzy

I can see where Mikkamakka is coming from this really is a case of double standards...


Nor does Izzy I mean what's next? Lars Ulrich news getting posted on the frontpage because he joined them on stage...

Izzy isn't taking cheap shots at GN'R while trying to sell records to GN'R fans.

 :hihi:


I didn't know you were expecting VR news to be posted there. After all, you were so upset when I "censored" the "letter" from Scott.

Instead of trying to choose what VR news to post and upset you because of "censorship", I'm choosing not to promote them at all.

We have GN'R to focus on. It's not 2004 anymore.






/jarmo

^^ Like I said double standards...

Because Velvet Revolver are a fucking joke.

The co-founder of the band touring with them in Europe is a lot different than a drummer from another band doing a one off appearance with them when they played in the Bay Area.     Surely you can see that Izzy does have a least some level of involvement with the band. 

Does VR not have their own sites?   Its not double standards at all, nobody in Velvet Revolver has anything to do with Guns N' Roses now.    if I went to one of these VR sites, would I see GnR news posted on their page?   I wouldn't think so, that wouldn't make much sense, and neither does your whining about double standards.

If Velvet Revolver was a joke, then the band would'nt have existed, ?::) , don't get me worng both bands are ok but Velvet Revolver to me is a lot better. 8)

You can say what you want.

 : ok:


/jarmo

amen to that brotha  :D

Ofcourse I realise that Izzy has had more invoment with the current band than any of the other ex-gunners but that was not the point I was trying to make.

The point I was trying to make is that technically speaking if you want to post news about ex members you should post news about all the ex members and not just the ones you happen to like...

Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to convince anyone that VR news should be posted on the frontpage I think things are fine they way they are right now but that doesn't mean that I can't have an opninion on how things are being done around here...



I'm merely voicing my opinion since that is what I think a messageboard is for....

Wait.. so you think things are fine.. but you don't like it?

How the fuck does that work?  You just talk yourself in circles.

maybe he's just ok with it, "it's fine" like he don't like it and don't dislike it.. you can have those kind of feelings too, but then again, i don't know shit about what he meant nor do i care about this thread or VR vs Izzy news

Exactly  :hihi:

And, alas, Izzy played with VR as well   :rofl:, haha

Don't worry, Scott Weiland's gonna save rock n' roll. ;)

You know, none of you have noticed that there's a million different pieces of VR news daily, how often do you hear something about Izzy?

Robin Finck aint gonna save Rock N Roll, the guy is on another planet ::)

Did he or I ever imply that he was going to?

no but Velvet Revovler to me is better than The Axl Rose Band ;)

Good for you. : ok:

When I said things are fine the way they are I was referring to the fact that no vr news is getting posted on the frontpage, hope that clears it up for you...



That's exactly how feel about it, only reason I posted in this thread was because I felt that Jarmo was/is using double standards...
But hey his site, his rules etc....

so, you're saying if there were "a million different pieces" of izzy news daily and we would have vr news very rarely, jarmo would post them on the main page?

Yeah a real joke . I mean hell the put out albums  : ok:

Yeah man. Where I'm from, a band is good if they put out albums. That's all that's needed. If they put out albums, they rule!!  : ok:  : ok:

Paris Hilton did that too right? :-*

You are very clever and intelligent.  : ok:  Who cares what do you think about VR? Last time I checked the board did post news about joke bands.  :-* 

The main point is that the mods/Jarmo should choose what they want to do. I'm fine with no news about ex-members on the first page if that's the direction. I'm fine with having the important news about the ex's on the first page. But posting a shitty Izzy news that somoene fuckin' saw him walking and not posting that Slash, Duff and Matt made a new album that actually has a release date is a joke. A slap in tha face. Next time please post the Gilby news on the first page, too, cause he's really fuckin' relevant to today's GN'R: he gave a lift to Trunk so he got to the GN'R rehearsal.  ::)

I've already chosen. I thought it was apparent.

VR doesn't wanna be associated with GN'R. Their singer keeps opening his mouth about things he has no idea about. I don't need to promote him.

The focus is on GN'R. Too bad your focus is on some other band.





/jarmo

Get over it. The management of this board don't like VR.. they think they get enough publicity taking cheap shots at Axl as it is. Over the last couple of years they have obviously changed their tune on VR because of this - as have a lot of us. It's something you are going to have to accept. There are plenty of VR forums out there.

Lol, I have enough brain to focus on more than one band. Too bad I'm in the minority.

BTW Izzy said a lot of bad things about Axl, he called him a dictator, an asshole and a mini Hitler etc. You are fine with that, and promote his 'walking on street'. Really i-n-t-e-r-e-s-t-i-n-g. Great to nknow he's a down-to-earth guy.  : ok:  You may like hims cause he's in good relationship with Axl again. If you follow the VR news (which we all know you do and enjoy your not-trolling in the 'hate these guys' section), you may have noticed that Duff and slash has just said positive things about Axl! Cheap bastards, aren't they?  ;)

And as far as I know it's an unofficial Guns N' Roses fan site. Not an official GN'R (fan) site. So I really don't understand why you are trying so hard to please the band, I mean Axl and those who are actually around him. You don't wanna 'promote' VR - it's fine, but a lot of GN'R fans like to read about Slash, Duff and Matt. And Gilby, Steven, BH etc. Fan sites are to please fans not the band. I wish you'd assume that this is the official fan site or at least that you're working hard to be that. Please. A GN'R fan cannot be this hostile with they guys who helped become GN'R big. It's an employee's job.

And Axl said some things about Izzy back in the day - it works both ways, but by the looks of it, they have moved on past that now.

You're so smart and we're all jealous.





You don't seem to get it do you?

I'm not going based on what some guy who calls himself Mikkamakka wants to read. I go by what I think is important/interesting.

At this point, I don't think VR are either. They have their own promotion. Besides, I don't feel like wasting space on something I think is boring.


If I wanted to please people, you'd be the last one.  : ok:




And yet you and your little VR super fans group are quick to take cheap shots at Axl all the time.....




/jarmo

Izzy walking on a street is quite interesting. Can't wait to hear another updates of this kind  : ok:



what does it have to do with Axl?  ::)  BTW I'm not a 'VR super fan', I find a lot of music much better than their first album. I just follow the career of the guys who made my all-time favourite band. And before you'd try to misinterpret my words: it means Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy, Steven, Matt, Gilby and Dizzy.

Well, he's got a reputation of being a recluse and you don't see his name every week on Blabbermouth....





Some of those guys have a publicity machine doing that job.

I didn't know you wanted VR news from such an obvious VR hater...... I feel honored!




/jarmo

Bands that don't put albums and blame everybody else for everything that goes wrong rule even more : ok: : ok:

What's your excuse for coming here?




/jarmo

Well I like Guns . Just waiting to see if they can get everything together. No t going to kiss their ass  and say everything is great with them if I don't think it is.

whats your excuse for being and ass kisser?

I don't need to make excuses for what I do since I don't feel bad about it.


Asskisser is something uninformed people use because it's the best insult they can come up with. Besides calling people gay that is.


/jarmo

I will give you point for ducking the question. Nobody said you should fell bad.,for doing what you are doing.

weather a person is uninformed is matter of an opinion just like me thinking you are a Guns camp ass kisser.

You can think what you want, but at the end of the day, you don't know shit about me.

Which makes you uninformed on the topic: me.

So, at the end of the day, your opinion is based on you being uninformed and clueless.





/jarmo

You are right I don't know shit about you as a person , but I do know that you kiss the guns camps ass. Which I don't have to know shit about you to see just go by your posts. They could tell you it was sun out side your house even though you know it was raining and you would agree with them. 

As I said, your opinion is uninformed and clueless.

I rest my case.


By the way, enjoy your negative karma.  : ok:




/jarmo

About fucking time I got some Negative Karma .

Like that's something to aim for.




/jarmo

who said I was aiming for it ?

The whole Karma thing is a joke any way.

But hell no hard feeling J man . you still run the best guns site on the net even if do disagree with you. : ok:

It's a joke? How?

It helps us to keep track of the people who keep disrespecting the rules we have.

It's pretty obvious.





/jarmo

I get what it is for , but it's just like getting a verbal warning at school nobody gives a shit.espacialy when you see some get negative karma for doing something that is supposed to be a ban

Hey but if it helps you guys out more power too you. :beer:

I really don't understand some of the people on this board, I guess its each to their own, but its facinating to me how people can see things so differently to me.

Like, why exactly are Velvet Revolver "a fucking joke"? They have released an album with strong sales, have a second one on the way, and have several years of touring and playing sold out and or packed shows.

Now I understand that the guys in VR are in VR and not GNR anymore, but the point of this thread was that if we are going to mention someone like Izzy who left the band long ago, how can it be anything other than bias that prevents VR news from being relevant in the same historic way.

I know...VR has nothing to do with GNR right?

There are currently 5 GNR cds availaible for sale at my record store:

Appetite for Destruction  - (2 Members of VR appear on this record)
Lies -  (2 Members of VR appear on this record)
Use Your Illusion 1  - (3 Members of VR appear on this record)
Use Your Illusion 2  - (3 Members of VR appear on this record)
Spagetti Incident  -  (3 Members of VR appear on this record)

Now, whilst they are no longer in the band, I can't see how any rational person can deny that some fans of GNR (even if they dont like VR) would consider the activities of these former memebers relevant.

Now theres a bunch of cheap shots that can be made and i'm not going to do it because at the end of the day I like both bands and really like axl's new songs and stuff and am looking forward to seeing this version of GNR in Australia soon....however I think some people around here are so enthusitic about their love of the new band that they feel the need to bash the old band, VR members and deny the contribution they made.

Some members of VR did contribute to GN'R in the past. Nobody's denying that.

I'd rather focus on GN'R, a band that I love, than promote a band who's music does nothing for me.


As I've said in the past, for me VR was a way to pass the time until the real thing got rolling.

Three years later, I'd rather listen to Tommy's record than Contraband.





/jarmo

agreed.  VGH is a kickass record.

Why are you people bitching that there is no VR news posted on the site?   Is it that hard to check out VR's official website for their news?  ::)

The prolbem was that a nonews Izzy news was posted. That's bias. But at least it's clear for everyone that it's not a Guns N' Roses fan site anymore since moderting has nothing to do with that.

BTW is Brain out of the band? Cause the major news of him playing on a Serj record didn't get mention on the first page.

what are you talking about?  they dont post VR news on the front page because its a Guns N' Roses site.    Izzy has some level of involvment with GNR, go look at Richard's site and Robin's site or even GnR's official myspace he's in a pic or two.    He was also at 2 out of the 4 shows I saw last year.   

Do you need me to write all that down again?   How could it be anymore clear?

He's annoyed because I won't promote his hero's latest band.




/jarmo

I need to agree with Village Gotilla Head being way better and enjoyable than Contraband.

and how hard is it for some people to understand that there are no VR news in the main site simply because VR has nothing to do with Guns N' Roses (first and MAIN reason), and apparently, the webmaster of this site thinks (like me, and a very big portion of the GNR fans) that VR has nothing to offer and they are a boring band!

So, with all these reasons given, why should Jarmo put VR news in the main site? What the hell has VR got to do with the present of Guns N' Roses?

Lars and Jamz were at that show .I have pictures;)

Haha even this Izzy news didnt make the front page of my Izzy site  ;D I couldnt be bothered copying the two lines ~ which didnt even seem to have a source  :rofl:

I agree with the VGH comments ~ haven't listened to it in a while now but it was heavily played when I first picked it up. Might give it a listen again today.

You're acting like loving Slash's music would be against the rules or would be strange and not needed on a so-called 'Guns N' Roses Fan Site'. Pathetic. If minor Slash news made the first page but major Izzy news didn't, I would also feel it's because the guy who runs the site has double standards or wants to please someone. Did Axl and his guys asked you to neglect VR? Are they happy now? I can't understand how ex-GN'R members releasing music and having a functioning band can be frustrating for 'GN'R fans'. I mean if you like other GN'R songs than Oh My God.

You nailed it when you said 'the guy who runs this site'. It's his site! And he obviously chooses not to support VR anymore for whatever reason. It's not some public service site, it's his site and he has decided to dedicate it to his interest, GN'R 2007.

You are right, dedicating the site to 'GN'R2007' whatever that is, is fine. Although me and a lot of other would like to read ex-membes news on the first page, and a lot of GN'R fans read only the first page and not the forum, I can accept that the Headlines section is the current band, only, and we're acting like even the praise of old songs were credited to the current line-up. Well, be it. But selecting which ex-members 'news' got posted is pathetic and ridiculous.


BTW some GN'R news can't make the first page now and get deleted from the forum, too.  :peace:  Only good news are news, bad news are not needed here.

just for the sake of discussion: "gnr 2007" is not izzy. and if you say he played with them a few shows last year, so did sebastian bach, hell even kid rock and lars ulrich played with them, or those guys from canada, don't remember the name now, sorry.

i'm not saying i agree with one or another but if you make a point, make a valid one

If you want to get technical you can, but I think simple terms might work best.

This board's management obviously do not like Velvet Revolver due to various reasons - therefore you are likely to see updates from all Guns N' Roses and former member news, except for those of Velvet Revolver! Simple!

I can't speak for Jarmo but that's the impression I get. He did state that he does not want to promote a band that gets enough self promotion through talking about Axl. It's his own board so he can dedicate it to whoever he likes and keep off what he doesn't like.

Exactly but in that case Jarmo should atleast admit that he does use double standards, which he is not willing to do...

What double standard?

I don't like promoting something I don't like.  A guy who takes cheap shots at Axl every chance he gets and yet he doesn't know shit about GN'R since he wasn't there.


Are you demanding that VR sites post news about what Axl's doing as well?




I don't post stuff like that unless I know it's true.




/jarmo

I am not demanding anything and I couldn't care less if axl news was posted on a vr site but that would be kinda silly since he's not an ex-member of that band...




definition of double standards:

A set of principles establishing different provisions for one group than another

You post izzy news on the frontpage yet you don't post news about Vr, gilby, buckethead etc, See what I'm getting at?

So you're saying a lot of VR fans aren't interested in what Axl's doing?







Gilby was on TV, he had the audiences already. But when there's something big in the Gilby world, related to his solo career, it's been posted: http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/news/shownews.php?newsid=1754

Buckethead, the same as with VR. He has his own sites and it's hard to keep up with what he's doing when you're not really interested.


There you go.



/jarmo

I'm sure they are but it doesn't make sence to post news of him on a site from a band he has no past with...

Just like you won't see Axl news getting posted on a van halen site just because some forum members there are interested in axl...


Alright fair enough...

Although I have to say that the news item you conviently linked to would not have been there if it wasn't for this thread:

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=42365.60

Now you're talking about the Slash story. Make up your mind.


Since GN'R is an active band, the focus is on GN'R.

Anything else going on will have to take a backseat. Especially a band who's singer is a clueless dork.




/jarmo

You were the one who referred to that piece of news...

Anyway I'm pretty much done with this thread since I now understand you reasoning for selectively posting news.

Well lets see....this is a GNR site for GNR fans...most people who are GNR fans like the albums you can buy with GNR music...members of VR appear on EVERY ONE of those CDs.....hense...its legitimate for people who like GNR to have an interest in VR....i'm not saying they HAVE to....but its madness to say VR have nothing to do with GNR....

Theres more people in VR that played on our favourite records than there currently is in GNR....

The only way I could accept that is if the only songs a fan liked were the new leaks...now those have nothing to do with VR...but assuming you like any of AFD, YUI1+2, LIES of SI then its safe to say slash, and duff have some relevance.

get over it  ::)

Yes, to prove I've posted Gilby news.

Which proved you wrong.



/jarmo

No, it only proved that you hate VR or act like you'd hate them for some reasons you sure know. Just becuase you don't like Weiland VR news don't make the first page. Alright  ::)

Is Brain still in GN'R? His collabo didn't get mention in the Headlines... What should we do? Hate him or love him?

Well it is his board so that is his prerogative. When you start your own site you can post whatever news you want, untill then stop complaining about what someone else does with their own website.  : ok:

no shit.. isn't it enough these slasholes trolls VR fans get a VR section to discuss VR? :rant:

You really are fucking clueless.

I've explained it over and over but it just goes over your top hat wearing head.



I don't feel like promoting a band I don't care about enough to put energy into, a band who's singer seems to be interested in taking cheap shots at Axl and a band who has their own fans.

VR is not GN'R. They're supposed to be the most dangerous unpredictable band in the world. Why would they need my help to sell a few extra copies of their albums?



Get over it already Slash fan. This isn't a VR site.




Do whatever the fuck you want. I'm not telling you to do anything unlike you.

You're trying to tell me to do something I don't give a fuck about, something that doesn't excite me, something that makes me laugh because it's pathetic.


At least I'm honest enough not to post VR news to get some hits from people like you.



/jarmo

What is that to you?
How will an "admission" help?
I don't see your point.

Splash

/Mike

 :smoking: I am!

go to a vr forum

here you go
http://www.velvetrevolverforum.com

I'm not going to read this thread

But anyone who knows GN'R and knows this site should seriously not be challenging this

And why is that?...seriously...

you should read the thread...

Haha, I love the irony of Izzy turning up at a VR gig, really puts an interesting perspective on this thread. I'm not gonna ask why it wasn't posted as news like his visit to the Heaven and Hell gig was, because I know Jarmo will say "I don't wanna promote that evil, evil band" but it's good to know Izzy doesn't share that view. Nor Bumblefoot, who recently said on Talking Metal he saw VR couple of years ago and would like to see them again if he could.