Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I was watching a clip of the blues from last year, and what occurred to me, when I was thinking
of some peoples opinions, which include things like " the new gnr will never be as good as
the original line up , " I Only watch the new gnr caus of Axl " etc. Now, Im not dissing
any line up, old or present, but What Ive noticed about the new lineup is they have something
to prove to us, but more importantly for themsleves. Axl has given these guys a chance of a
lifetime by placing every member who is unique in their own way, and should be only
looked upon that way, and not whether they can live up to there so called "predasessors" into a
great band known as guns  n' roses.
Every one of them deserves to be where they are, because they work hard to be there "proof of
this is Axls the driving force, and they cant slack off ;) " And every one of them have a
unique aura about them, "presecene " if you will. Bumblefoot has his own hard/cool rock style
about him, Finck has a bluesy dont give a shit, melodic feel, and fortus has a great kinda punkish
rock vibe going. Now, im no way comparing them to the old lineup, but what we have so fortunate
with this one, and not the old, is that all of them shine, and none of them really shines apart from
each other, which is GREAT, as they will all have shared fans, and everyone at all the shows will
be happy where they are ,no matter what guitarist is in front of them at the time, where as,
everyone 20 years ago just focused on Axl and Slash , and minorily duff (sorry but true) .

So before people start putting down the lineup, and comparing the old vs new bullshit,
consider this, New players, bring a freshened up vibe from different music backgrounds, and perhaps help axl to achieve
the unacheivalbe (60 plus concerts last year), as they say, having young enthusiastic people
around you, you shall soon become one yourself.
So as far as im concerned, Im glad we have the "new" guys, and Bumblefoot is more then welcome
if it helps Axl to fulfill his musical manifestation that he so blatently calls "Chinese Democracy",
and let we live in a world , where we dont compare everyone to everyone else, and just
accept the people for who they are and what they can do to benefit music,
 and not who they should be.

Long Live Chinese Democracy, and the legacy known as 'Guns N 'F@kn Roses'.


p.s this is my opinion, everyones entitled to their own, so feel free to critisize , as I dont really giv a sugar what you say,
just had to get it of my chest.

Good post. As a guitarist myself of 20+ years I consider Fortus to be the strongest of the 3 guitarists, though I must say Robin Finck's live playing has come along way in the last few years.

It will be nice to finally hear all their contributions to the CD when it comes out (eventually).

It's all about the music man! 8)

I agree.  I love Slash as much as the next guy, and Duff too.  But I've seen the new lineup(s) twice and they were fantastic.  Even my friends who have little to no knowledge of the new guys thought they were great.  As long as Slash and Duff are doing their thing with VR and Axl and the boys are touring, I'll take two good bands over one.  They're hard to come by these days.

good to see good responses, by smart people  8) ,


I just made this thread so some people will realize, that time changes everything, and im glad its just axl and the so called "new band",
because there different styles of music will infuse into great songs, and as good as the old gnr music was, theres a time and a place for it,
and I personally want something thats different and good, for example:
the new songs,
better, twat, etc...

Yeah, I love ALL the new songs we've heard except for Rhyiad and Silkworms.  I can't wait to hear more, whenever that may be.

accept the fact we'll see CD sometime soon....perhaps when our grandchildren are 25!!!

I didn't like Rhyiad until I heard it live in 2002 (I think) at Wembley arena. Sounds much better when your actually there.

I love all the songs and even Silkworms but Rhiad is the only whack one and it doesn't belong in GNR at all! It has no edge to it or it doesn't even feel like a song, just no spark or pickup at all. All the others are awsome Rhiad has to go agree?

Why do a lot of people consider Fortus to be the best of the three? He plays very little lead, most of the lead he does play was written by Slash or Buckethead, and so far we don't know of any rhythm parts he wrote in the new stuff, and he didn't play any parts on any of the leaks as they were all before he joined, as far as I know. I like what he's done so far but he's still a bit unproven in GnR. So is your veiw based on his past work with other artists?
Personally I prefer Finck myself. I don't really like what he does with some of Slash's stuff, eg November Rain, but I love his solos on the new songs, especially Better, The Blues and There Was A Time. He also wrote Better, my favourite of the new songs, awesome riff, and I have no doubt he played an important part in all the other stuff.

I agree, Finck's solos in Better and The Blues are genious!

I couldn't have said it better!

Original post -- I don't really think playing sixty shows in a year is an unbelievable achievement.  Over 250 is an accomplishment.  Playing sixty shows is like doing two nights of work a week.

There's nothing "genious" about those solos,sure they're cool but that's about it.

PHEW! I thought I was the only person who didn't like those two tunes!

   
Tu Nick it says Everything to it?

HBK *

really good post man. this band rocks so hard live, almost everything sounds perfect and the wall of sound blows me away.

Certainly can't deny that the new GNR plays the new songs very very well. It's the "Don't Cry II" rule - the new stuff always had a deeper meaning to the players when it came out.

That's why the record must come out if they want to sell-out shows again, cuz otherwise I many others can just stay back and watch old bootlegs. No matter how hard they try, they can never top older performances of the older songs - In my opnion (and I own 30 shows on DVD).

MNW

ill make my final opinion on them when the cd comes out.

So what you are saying is since axl isn't 20 anymore he picks younger guys to make him feel youthful ( sounds like living in the past! ) Sure none of the NEW members shine over each other , why? Because everyone is there for AXL lol. I agree these guys do deserve their spot if Axl auditioned them and found something he liked well thats a damn thing to b be proud of!! :peace:

First off, When I said its great having younger guys there (and there not alot younger ya d!ckhead, axls not performing with school children , 'tard.
All im saying is, its some fresh faces to see, and it gives axl a new vibe and a new willingness if you will to try out new shit, and perform harder then ever, as he needs to "keep up" with them as such. What would you rather, watch a guy in his 40's perform with a few younger fresher talents,
or watch a bunch of 60+ year olds (eg rolling stones "no offence to them" ) perform live?

Um, I think id rather watch the "new " gnr, considering there way more enthusiastic, and not embarrasing, and it looks like they want to be there,
instead of just playing it for the sake of it.

2ndly, when I said none of them shine above the rest, I ment that in their own right, i.e many people think fortus is the best,
many think finck is,
and many think bumblefoot is,

Therefore , as all 3 have heaps of fans, none of them shine above the best, which is great, as all the fans have their favourite guitarist,
which allows the guitarist to share, and feel like a band, and not just feel like being in the shadows of 1 main "popular" guitarist, eg "slash" from pre gnr...



Geese ....
use your brain before you post next time .  : ok:

Did you hear Gilby on Camp Freddy radio saying how GN'R sucked live in the club days? He saw them before AFD was out and he thought they never sounded great live. Only Axl was great live according to Gilby.

So not everybody shares that opinion.

GN'R was one of the best live bands in the world in 1987-1993, but that doesn't mean they weren't in 2006.

You can compare bootlegs all you want, but it's not the same thing as seeing them right there and then.



Obviously they're not trying to recreate the past because they play the songs their way.

GN'R didn't use three guitars in the past. (or four when Izzy is guesting).


But if you have the attitude that you've seen them on bootlegs and it can't be that good, then you won't like it.




/jarmo

From experience, I have found that live gigs tends to become unique entities/experiences unto themselves. Yes the music is the unifying thread but there is something to be said for that live vibe - for the energies cris crossing acrossing the room - between performer and audience and back again. Performers feed on the energy of the audience - that is the whole point of live. Yes, the muso within may pick up on bum notes or aspects of technique - but it is the role of the audience to give out a positive vibe that the perfomer will most certainly pick up on. You want a good show - then give out the vibe.  : ok: