Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I'm writing now in the wake of the recently postponed and cancelled GNR commitments in Japan and South Africa. I guess I'm writing because I too am disappointed, have a conscience, a website, and I am not on the Bullet Train to Osaka this evening.

I purely want to share with those whom were avid for seeing GNR at these concerts that I too was looking forward to seeing you all. The band was primed and pumped, production packed and shipped. Then, much to our distress, unforeseen circumstance walked in, dropped its surly case and announced with certainty, "I'm here! ". What can we do.

I have received innumerable emails from real people who where hooking up with friends or family, flying to faraway cities, booking hotels or friend's couches, docking the USS Kitty Hawk, and otherwise scheduling their time and enthusiasm around these events. In short, these peeps wuz straight stung adrenalized and lettin' me square have it! I too was psyched about the shows, planning to meet friends and family, watch the cherry blossom blossom etc. It is my wish that your bounce forward from here be one of a willful arc and opportunity. Believe me, I'm swallowing that very pill by your side.

Well, I'm not gonna go on with this letter, this letter to you who've sent me. I think you catch my drift.

Best of spirits to you all and I sincerely wish for you a successful trip ahead. Have fun wherever you are-

r ob i         n

http://robinfinck.com/GNR_fans.php

I might not always think the most of Robin's playing, but he is certainly being a stand up guy here. Good for him and maybe the same feeling of accountability will rub off on others.

See, I knew I liked that guy.

Very cool of him to make this statement  : ok:

;D

yeah the dude seems pretty mellow, awesome and human.

he does not seem like an asshole type of person, who thinks they are gods gift.

It's a nice letter, but not too much valuable information there

Anyway, its always cool to read what Robin has to say. Im glad he's in the band I love

That was great to read from Robin. Obviously it is not his position to provide extensive tour details etc, but I think he gave us a very personal reassurance, or sympathy rather; he was not supposed to, but he did, and that's great. I hope everybody appreciates this. I know it's not going to change the fact people are missing out on seeing them and ruined plans, but I hope you feel better when you read it. Thanks Robin.

Well he didn't mention Australia in all that so I'm kina pleased.


 :peace:

he is truly one of the most humble persons i've ever met.  :o

this was cool of him to write to the fans.

I'm writing now in the wake of the recently postponed and cancelled GNR commitments in Japan and South Africa.

Here's hoping the rest go smoothly. : ok:

Yeah, not a lot to hang your hat on. Certainly does nothing to dispell any rumors, but that's not really his job. That's what the web site is supposed to be for.

Anyone else think this is interesting?

that was really cool of him, i honestly thought that Axl would have spoke before finck but o-well.

:beer:



:wave:

Very. I actually think Robin said alot without saying alot if you read it within the context of what has been going on.

This right her doesn't sound like this had anything to do with Tommy's wrist injury.

"Then, much to our distress, unforeseen circumstance walked in, dropped its surly case and announced with certainty, "I'm here! ".

Very cool of him!!

I don't think I quite understand some of his lingo :lol: , but definitely cool to have someone say something.

Am also pretty quietly stoked that he didn't mention Australia in the post :P

What the fuck?  How does this NOT sound like it has to do with Tommy's wrist injury?  Would Tommy falling down a flight of stairs be considered foreseen?

Give me a break...all you conspiracy people are nucking futs.

Come on you guys, don't read too much into what he writes.
Robin of all people wouldn't stick any hidden meanings into what he says
None of the GNR members would, I'm sure they realise by now sometimes things they say are misinterpreted in depth, in too many different ways

He's just seems frustrated, and in reality, I'm sure he faces a lot of the same emotions and frustrations as a lot of GnR fans do.    This was very cool of him to do.

well for one tommy didn't just fall down the steps 4 goddamn days ago .

I wasn't talking about a conspiracy. Just saying that it might not be why. now go fuck off

I guess "unforseen", "surly case", and "I'm here" are not good things.

If he doesn't want anyone misinterpreting what he said, perhaps he should have just played it straight. I know this type of writing is his style, but it doesn't fit the seriousness of the situation.

I think this is what the GNR community is in need of when things don't go according to plan.  Accidents happen, situations occur beyond control, and sometimes its no one's fault.  But it is decent of the guy to acknowledge that it sucks for those who have committed plenty to make the shows (airfare, travel, accommodations), let alone everyone involved.

It would be overtly critical to chastise the band for not wanting make the canceled shows.  However, a lot of the negativity directed towards the band over the few days could have been avoided had something like Robin's statement been released when certain information came to light. 

I'm holding to the belief that the reason why Tommy wasn't replaced during his rehabilitation is due to the band wanting to do something special for the Japanese/SA shows.  Perhaps a new song, a new set, or something big enough that the band wanted all members to be there to celebrate.  That's the only thing I can think of right now.  If this is the case, then it's completely acceptable to hold off on any performances until everyone who has been apart of this marathon can be on  board.

As usual, with a band like Guns N' Roses, we just don't know.  But thanks to statements like Robin's expression of frustration, we can identify with the emotional certainty that things seem to be simpler than we often make them out to be.

Cheers,

Andrew

It's hard for Guns' to give us a straight answer?  :hihi:

Look I understand, but Robin is not the tour manager, Robin is not the promoter, Robin is not in any position to give us any official information regarding the 'business'/'administrative' aspect of the tour. Just like the rest of the band members, he is really in no position to comment on behalf of GNR in an official context. What Robin has sent here is his own PERSONAL message of sympathy to fans, directed after a number of emails he must be getting, that is all. Trust me, I completely understand your frustration that there is no official word, but don't take this statement from Robin as an official word, this is his own personal letter. An official statement would come from Axl, Del James, or manager/crew representing GNR.

I hope you understand.

I'm not defending anybody here and I'm not sucking up, I'm not happy about lack of official information either but don't expect it from Robin yknow

Maybe he shouldn't have said anything if he can't really say anything.

No problem. So are these folks going to make a statement on behalf of GnR' regarding the cancelled SA dates?

This is the sort of speculation that leads to dissappointment. 

Okay, fair enough I understand, but obviously the guy has been blasted with emails, he is just giving a PERSONAL response. As I said he is not in the position to provide any official details on behalf of the band and crew, he is just giving his own personal feedback and feelings, that's all. There was no indication from anyone to say "Oh Robin has posted an official statement on behalf of the band regarding the status of the tours, go to his website", yknow what I mean? He just posted his own response, on his own website. If it was meant for all official reference, it would have been posted on the official GNR website, or newswires or whatever. It is just his own personal response. The official statement for the tour would come from the GNR website, via Jarmo, a press statement, or a letter from Axl or one of their business representatives.

As I said, I'm not happy about the lack of official word either, but you got to understand where the information comes from and where to wait for it. No hard feelings right?

That's what we are waiting for. I expect they should do that, but I don't know when that is going to happen, although I'm sure we will see it. Well it would be best for everyone involved anyway, even a paragraph or three.

Maybe they should've just had a replacement for a couple of shows. I don't think it would've hurt anything.

Glad to see Robin is disappointed. He definitely won some major points with that letter.

I just hope that anyone that thought these cancellations were planned will shut the fuck up now.  They wouldn't have spent the money shipping their gear overseas if they knew they weren't going to show.

I guess Axl didn't want someone to replace Tommy, maybe in part because of the extremely limited time of bringing in the right person to sub for Tommy.  Plus, Tommy is the MD of the band.

Ali

It's not hard to get someone to substitute the bass parts, even just a professional session musician; but Axl obviously wants people to realise what a big part each member of the band is, and he respects Tommy enough not to have him replaced, and I'm sure he's aware of the consequences.

What is MD ?! Music Director huh ?! ;D

Robin taked a jab at Axl with his conscience and ?website comment.
He is dissapointed and unhappy with the situation.
Is not all good on the GNR camp for sure...
Thanks to put your face out and say somenthing Robin. : ok:

thanks for posting this, it was really good to read something from Robin!!

seems as though he is saying that he has to move on from the band even though he doesnt want to....he is "swallowing the pill" just like us...moving on from the band.........

Ok KIKO2K6.. if you were being sarcastic with that last comment, don't take any notice of what I'm saying here.
But if you were serious about what you said about Robin, ok dude, MAJOR misunderstanding right there.
The reason Robin posted this, was in response to disappointed fans who had been contacting him about the cancellation of the shows, and probably things he read elsewhere.
Once again he didn't posted this for Axl, he didn't post this for management, he didn't post it for anybody's benefit. He posted it as an apology to the FANS and to the FANS only.
He is only trying to symathise with us.
If you haven't already seen it around the board, at this point GNR members are not in any position to speak or comment in any official capacity on behalf of the band/crew/management/promoters etc. It was a personal comment. He felt bad because he knows how disappointed and upset and angry the fans are right now, he just wanted to try and offer some reassurance.

He is not taking a jab at anybody.

HE IS SYMPATHISING WITH THE FANS, THAT IS ALL.

Please, don't start taking shots or having conspiracy theorys with Robin of all people.
He's the WRONG PERSON to be upset with.

I'm not saying this to suck up or stick up or try to overrule anybody. I just don't want you guys getting annoyed because I'm a fan just like you. Robin or Jarmo or anybody else wouldn't give a fuck what I have to say about this..

Robin is a class act.

No hard feelings? Definitely not, dude. I'm just worried about what this statement will lead to. All you have to do is visit other GNR forums to see where the rumors are off to because of his cryptic style of writing.

i'll second that...

Okay look maybe he is very cryptic with the way he says things, there might be some slight misunderstanding there
But let me just say, Robin is NOT moving away from anybody, he is NOT turning against the band, NOTHING. All he meant by that, is to say that he is sharing our sympathy, and fans feel disappointed and upset, and he feels it too, that is all he is saying, it is a form of expression. He's disappointed just like us. He's not disappointed with Axl or anybody in the band, he is just feeling the disappointment of the fans

As usual the not so good vibes are hovering again.......


thanks robin for writing

Axl just doesnt get it....7 yrs have come and gone....hes so fukin lucky robin and tommy have stuck with him. Without them he doesnt get to jerk us around like hes been doing ....its the same old thing...

cant wait for the next press release from uncle axl...

how old are you? are you gonna live forever?????

I admit I got kind of a weird feeling reading that like their was an underlining jab of some sorts. Maybe I am reading too much into it also but It seemed a little more than just being upset over missing a few shows.

Robin! ?

Yeah we're all bummed but made me feel better to hear from him. ?Thanks Robin.

I agree... He seems pretty annoyed... But if this Tommy stuff is truly the reason, we're just probaly just thinking the worst!

He's probably annoyed from all the blasting he gets from people writing to him. I give up.

I am not taking shots on Robin,upset with him or making up conspiracy theorys...
I think Robin is a class act.

He wrote the letter to us fans cuz he is unhappy upset like us with all that shit situation.
He take a jab/hint to AXL with his conscience and ?website comment PERIOD.
That is like a see,that my opinion. : ok:

 

The fact he didn't say a word about his friends freak accident and injury (no get well Tommy or anything) and instead used a cryptic sort of tone referring to whatever is going on should be a red flag.

Not to mention the way he used the idea of having a conscience associated with a website and "swallowing hard" are things that hint at it being beyond just the injury.

anyone who thinks this is a positive or ho hum message is nuts

You are reading way too much into what Robin wrote and trying to interpret his general state of mind on GN'R from one statement that is obviously written out of frustration.

Relax, take a breath.  Everything will be fine.

Ali

that is the feeling I got from the message.that something new come up that the band is having to deal with.

that good ol company line

oh yeah, like its all been fine since they cancelled the january shows, march 6th came and went and these new shows are finished....oh, ok...

Why should he say anything about his friends injury when it was addressed on GN'R's website?  It's not like Robin used his own site to comment on Brain becoming a father, another important occurrence in a friend's life.

He's just frustrated at how things turned out.  Obviously they were all rehearsing and getting ready to play live and have fun doing so.

Ali

Nope, not the company line.  Just a little perspective and logic and not jumping to conclusions prematurely.  That simple.

Ali

The best the fans can hope for at this time is that the band plays a show somewhat near where they live, and that The Blues and Chinese Democracy leak. The album is oviously never coming out.

T

look at the facts:

1) Axl failed to deliver the album in 06
2) they cancel some jan shows so he can wrap the baby up and give it a proper release for sometime in march.april/may...never
3)remember that appearance they made with societys elite? who wasnt there playing bass?
4)Tommy breaks his hand? Just like Bucket was sick back in 01 lol
5)Cancel some more dates...just like they had to with bucket....
5)Tommy prob out, still no Cd..Robin is fed up like most of us
6)Robins memo

Axl has no1 to blame but himself...he might have all the right intentions but he has no clue how to get out of his own way. Beta might be the worste thing that has happened to Axl and GNR....


i really feel bad for tommy and robin...whether this ends the way i think or not...this is way out of line now...axl is mentally ill

who knows and more importantly who cares. I love the music they have made but Axl has stripped almost all the fun out of this "comeback"...he had all that myth and mystique all built up and he dropped the fukin ball....he did worse actually...hes turning off his die hards as each day goes by...its amazing to witness this. 7 fukin yrs .....he already chased bucket away now it appears as if the only 2 members that gave hime any foundation and loyalty are just about out the door. These 2 guys are class acts and extremely talented. And fukin loyal. They have taken so much shit for the past decade its not even funny. But they always had a smile on their faces and have created some great stuff...u would think when they go to Axl and they say enough is enough i dont wanna ply the same set and yank the chains of these poor fans u would think Axl would get smart real quick and listen....theres something wrong in that guys head...

Yeah, they have been fine.  The band played some amazing shows in California after announcing the cancellations of the January shows.  Del gave us an update on the album's status and a freak injury to Tommy Stinson derailed this set of shows.  Shit happens all the time.  Unfortunately this time it was Tommy and it hurt GN'R.

Ali

Im not denying that Tommy is really hurt. I am sure he is.

But Robin seems fed up.

I am from Kentucky and people overseas will not get this analogy at all but some in the US may.

Kentucky is the craziest College basketball State in the United States. we have 23,000 people show up JUST to watch practice.

anyhow we had this amazing coach that rebuilt our program and made us one of the greatest programs in NCAA history.
he leaves to coach a PRO team and we get a new coach.

That new coach won a championship his first year but after that the Fans hated him because he wasn't the old coach we had and loved.

Even though he won 26 out of 35 games a year, we ran him off and he quit this year.

No matter how great he did he was never fully appreciated and embraced.


Robin reminds me of this. No matter how much he kicks ass, no matter how great he plays, no matter how great he is to the fans, no matter how many awesome riffs and solos he comes up with, He will never be fully accepted and appreciated.

The fact that 6 years after Rock In Rio he is still playing predominantly Slash and Izzy riffs and solos has to frustrate and piss him off as a creative and proud guitar player.

I think he is getting fed up with Guns N Roses and the delays.

And honestly, I can't say I'd blame the guy.

I mean its been almost a decade and the guy has nothing to show for all his hard work.

finally someone that understands...just look at the facts and thats all you need to know....not gnr spin by mods........

good post . I think u may have a point too. Robin and the rest of the new guys have to be a little flustered about playing  mostly other people stuff rather then their own.

Then why would they be replacements in GNR  ::)

Money , build up a name for them selves....take your pick from those and a million other reasons.

Well, any sane person would think at this point they wouldn't be looked at as replacements, that they might have some of their own material to stand on by now. If they had a couple CDs under their belt, the replacement tag would be gone. But, almost a decade later, they still don't have anything to show for their efforts.

No... There will always be people who will never accept these guys... Face it... I'm not one of them of course... But if they're frustrated over being seen as playing other guys parts, they shoulda never joined...

If they're frustrated over the fact they cant get 1 album out... Then yeah, I understand that

at the start of this thing I doubt it wouldn't have been a problem but now . ..they are still playing a set that is made up of stuff that others help created. with very little of stuff the have created.

1)  Yes, Axl failed to deliver the album in '06.  That's done now.  Why cry over spillt milk?  They've moved forward and made progress towards completing the album.  The recording loose ends have been tied up and the album is fully on to mixing and mastering.
2)  Yes, they cancelled some shows so they could work on the record.  That was certainly unfortunate.
3)  Tommy had a personal emergency that night.  That was stated on GN'R's website and there is no reason to doubt that.  He has a daughter, maybe something was going on with her that he had to take care of?  Maybe it's nothing sinister like you think?  If there really was something to that, why was he at the rehearsals for the Japan tour?
4)  People get injured all the time.  Axl was in a brace at the beginning of the UYI tour, remember?
5)  Robin's little memo expresses his frustration with the cancelling of the shows/postponement of the shows.  Nothing more.

Axl is mentally ill?  What college did you get your psychology degree from?

The bastard who murdered all those people last week at Va Tech was mentally ill.  Get some perspective, man, c'mon.

Ali

I'm sure when Robin and Tommy joined the band, the plan was to basically start this new kickass band just using an old name and create this great album, and if it turned out alright, tour behind it and then create subsequent albums. Back in '97, if you told Robin that in 10 years, there would still be no album and that he'd still be playing AFD on every tour, he'd think you were lying. I'm a huge, huge fan of Robin, and have talked to him a couple of different times, and he actually introduced me to someone who changed my life, but that's neither here nor there. I just hope and pray that Robin can tough it out and wait for the album. Besides Axl, I'll bet money that Robin will be the main driving force on the album and I hope he gets to be the hero he deserves to be someday...

I don't doubt that he is getting frustrated and fed up.  But, getting fed up is not the same as being ready to quit.

You guys don't think that Axl is frustrated by how hard it's been to make this record and try and get it out?  He called it a "nightmare" if you need a hint.

Ali

explanation after explanation...excuse after excuse....

in the end what do u have?...

no finished product


there have been a zillion albums released. this isnt rocket science. Axl knows how to release an album. it might very well be a nightmare. But he has the power to wake the fuk up and do what he needs to do and get it out. now bam. not tomorrow not 3 months from now not a yr from now. now. get up make phone calls and bam....at this point its that easy. maybe not a few yrs ago but it is now

axl doesnt get any sympathy until he releases the album...stop with the lame excuses its old news

I can agree there...

ya know guys... I thought the next shows after the cancelled dates were only like a week after... But now I notice they're over a month away.. I have a BAD feeling GNR will be silent up until a few days before those shows and then pull the plug... God this next month is gonna suck  :-\ :-\ :-\

It's a nightmare of his own making, mostly. Time to move forward before he can't.

That's true, but we will one day sooner rather than later.  Until then life will go on for all of us and none of what's going on with GN'R has anything to do with anyone on these forums.  So, I don't take it so damn personally like I'm owed something.

Ali

You don't know how much of it is his making and how much of it isn't.  You have no idea and you're speaking out of turn.  None of us knows anything about what has really gone on behind the scenes.  That's the only fact here.

Ali

Ok you guys come on now.. This has gone past Robin's letter and is about the past.

1) The cancelled January shows were addressed in a statement about a month before the shows
2) The release date posted was only TENTATIVE and that's the first time they gave any release date, regardless of the duration of the album
3) Tommy wasn't at the VERSACE gig because of personal problems that was made clear
4) Tommy broke his hand due to an unfortunate ACCIDENT.
5) ROBIN'S MESSAGE WAS JUST IN SYMPATHY BECAUSE HE IS DISAPPOINTED THAT FANS MISS OUT THAT'S ALL. NO secret message, NO inner dispute, NOTHING.

great man...even better guitarist.  hope he sticks around a while...

I'm not saying Axl deserves sympathy.  I'm just trying to illustrate the only clear and plain fact that has not been put out in a statement by GN'R on GN'R:  NONE of us have any idea what is going on with the band and the making of the record behind the scenes now or at any time in the past.  We never have and we never will. 

I think making a record may be simple, but getting it out?  Not as simple in this case.  I think there are factors at play in this record's release that none of us know about and they are complicating things greatly.

Ali

so how can u say...


sorry but again its not rocket science//axl had from 96-2002 to figure out all the legalities of releasing a gnr album...and if thats not enough...he had another 3-4 yrs to get it done when the album was even closer....

Axl cant let go..its as simple as that..nothing more nothing less..he just cant let go...and until proven otherwise...THATS A FACT



one day u will see the light

My point was that no one knows exactly how much of the delays in the release of this record is solely Axl's fault and what isn't his fault.  But, yes, Axl did not turn in a record in 2006.  But, how much of that was his fault is something none of us will ever know.  To say otherwise is speculation, nothing more.

Ali

sorry not buying it....maybe del james can one day "tell" us how it really is.... sike

No, not a fact.  You don't know the man personally, you don't know what's going on behind the scenes.  You only know what you read.  That's not FACT.  That's SPECULATION.

Ali

is everything you read then speculation? No matter what the topic is?

You don't have to buy it.  You can speculate otherwise as much as you want.  That's the beauty of free will.  But, I guarantee you that Del James knows a helluva lot more about what has gone on in making this record than you or I ever will.

Ali

Unless you have first hand knowledge or experience regarding the situation, or even have the words of someone with firsthand knowledge or experience, then yes, it is just speculation.

Ali

i might not know all those things...i have a good idea but if u dont think so ill go with that....

but what i def do know is that
 I DONT HAVE CHINESE DEMOCRACY IN MY HANDS. Now for me personally I have been patiently waiting...and i do mean patient....for 7 yrs now....there are other weirdos who claim they have been patiently waiting for 10 yrs and some freaks out there claim to be waiting since the yr 1994. by my calculation thats 13yrs ago....


so with all that time and no product ...well.... :no:

Why is everybody arguing with each other?
We are sharing what we have HEARD, what we know
NOBODY knows what is happening behind the scenes, NOBODY knows whats going on within the band

NOBODY knows why the shows are really cancelled
NOBODY knows the serious extent of Tommy's hand injury
NOBODY knows why the album didn't come out on this particular date
NOBODY knows what exactly happened during the period of the cancelled January shows
NOBODY knows what conditioning Axl uses for his hair

Yknow what I mean?
We all go off what we know and what we hear and what we read and what we see.
There is no need to argue at each other, and there is no need to argue at the band
The information we've got is all we have and we can't change that right.

Take it easy everyone
No hard feelings around please

The statement isn't overly descriptive, but I still apprecitate it!!! I doubt Robin would even issue a statement unless the Tommy Stinson injury was real, otherwise everybody would probably keep hush hush! Just my opinion though!

freak here waiting since 91' for new, original material!!!!!

for all who say o you dont know whats going on yada yada yada...u knwo what who the hell cares what is really going on behind the scenes.....like i said before, Axl has sucked out all the passion out of a lot of the die hards over the past yr ....this isnt fun anymore. and it prob isnt fun for some band members either....

If you think any1 but Axl is to blame then you need to start removing some of that wool

No offense, but how can you have any better idea of what's gone on with GN'R the past decade than any of the rest of us?  We all check these boards regularly and are all sharing the same information, aren't we?

I don't have Chinese Democracy in my hands, either.  But, take a step a back and look at it like this:  This music on Chinese Democracy isn't ours to own and feel entitled to.  It is GN'R's music and if and when the time is right to share it with us, then great.  That will be a wonderful gift to be able to listen to that music, but it still won't be ours to own.  Just ours to listen to and enjoy.

Ali

I don't know about you sir. but when I buy an album i own that fucking album.Seem more like you renting yours. might want to go and check some other cd shops.

The wait isn't big deal really it's all the cock teasing.that is the thing that gets old.

i was all for the when its ready stuff...and to a point i still am...but i feel that we are being treated way unfairly.

no shit the music isnt ours and its basically a privalege and an honor to want and hear a new gnr cd but forgive me for wanting to enjoy that music and wanting to hear music from a band i love. im sorry i just wanna rock out to some really creative and inspirational stuff. im sorry that i want to see this band play ALL the new stuff live, Im sorry im still pissed off that the delays basically caused buckethead to leave. im sorry that i wanna hear the song sorry...im sorry for a lot of things

If Robin were some talentless hack he wouldnt give a fuck whether Chinese Democracy got released. If he were just some guy out for a cash grab looking to play cover tunes *kind of like Tommy Thayer for Kiss or whatever his name Is* Then he wouldn't care less about Axl and how long the album is taking.


I think he probably gets hurt by negativity and some fans inability to accept this band as Guns N Roses.

Remember he wrote music and contributed so much to Chinese Democracy its probably killing him to not be able to show people that he truly belongs in this band.

Imagine being a great musician and u know in your heart u have created an amazing album but cause of your lead singer and whatever obstacles he is going through u have to take shit, get bashed constantly and play some other guys guitar riffs and solos in which no matter how great u play them u will always remain the replacement guy.

Its not far fetched at all to think he is getting aggravated. ev ery man has a breaking point and I guess he realizes this latest set back does nothing but push the album back further.

he posted a kickass pic of him and tommy on stage in 'The Blind'  :peace:

well cant say Ive been "waiting ".more anticipating,  and cant say Ive been waiting for CD, after 20 yrs, because of all the great times I have had over 20 yrs with GNR, but I do share a great bond and interest with many who really want this, to see this . Like the end of a great book , that lies a even better story to tell subsequently . And I understand the frustrations. Its fucking hard being fans, for sure, but honestly its been harder for me being a JET fan than GNR fan, lol. and yeah( BTW, youngunner,I see where I fucked uped.lol, I misslabled dvds,, and havent forgot , will send in time). Bottomline life goes on.

As passionate I am about GNR< Im passionate about my life also, and the people in it. and I take robins statement as frustration that shit happened , unforeseen, and I feel for the guys cause they were working their asses off for those shows they had to postpone. I don't think in anyway has anything to do with when CD will be released though.

i feel sorry for robin posting this letter and watch how some of you try to analyse it and destroy his message. just be glad you finally get something.

Well, after reading the last five pages... I find it to be a rather sad state of affairs when such a tremendous lack of good communication on one end... can lead to such an overwhelming amount of doubt, speculation and over-analyzation on the other.

Here's a big thank-you to Robin (and especially to Ron) for taking the time to communicate with the fans. ?: ok:

A little communication can go a long way in helping to prevent problems and misunderstandings from occurring in the first place.

Cheers,
W.R.

 

read the letter again everyone and drop the blind loyalty.

I didn't read it with any bias or any preconceived notions and reading it made me feel uneasy for some reason.

Especially this part:

I too was psyched about the shows, planning to meet friends and family, watch the cherry blossom blossom etc. It is my wish that your bounce forward from here be one of a willful arc and opportunity. Believe me, I'm swallowing that very pill by your side

yes you do have some true points here but what the hell does beta have to do with any of this??!

First: Robin, if you're readig this... THANK YOU! You made a great comment and it's good to know that someone understands our frustration... Additionaly, if you are also feeling frastrated, hold on! You are one of the reason for many many people to be a fan... You are a big part why I am GnR addicted!? :yes:

Second: To the board: Don't let us panic... Yeah there ist frustration in Robins kind letter, and yeah he is also "swallowing that very pill". BUT, we don't know for sure whats happening... So let us think positive for this moment and hope that Australia will blow us all away.

Third: To GnR: Please release SOMETHING. It doesn't matter if it's a press release or a single or album. The situation is near pure desperation... Don't let us give up... Keep up with us und we will keep up with you!

Agreed  : ok:

Some of you guys watch too much movies :hihi:

This is really nice from Robin. This guy is really a class act. His letter sounds so simple and honest, down to earth. He's as disapointed as us.

We're lucky to have him :yes:

Alright then, so let's hear a hell yeah for Robin

HELL FUCKING YEAH

HELL FUCKING YEAH!!!!  :peace:

It is the end of April.

So If the album isnt out June,July or August we will be speculating about November all over again.

The vicious circle is never broken.

I agree with everything Younggunner posted.


DaveGNFNR2k and Youngunner are two of the biggest GNR fans I have ever seen on this forum and for both of them to now be fed up really says alot.

I myself am getting extremely annoyed and I have actually enjoyed the wait all these years but enough is enough.

I agree 100 percent that Axl had all the stars lined up for an amazing mystifying once in a lifetime comeback and he absolutely fucking blew it.

he can still be huge and regain a lot of what he was back in the day but he had a shot to surpass his own legend and dropped the ball.

we've heard the fuckin leaks and they are incredible, I just dont understand why Axl can't seem to realize that.

I feel it's going to happen
The recording is finished
The mixing is well underway and possibly close to completion if it hasn't already happened
There are just legalities and other conflicts and issues we just don't know about in the background
Need to try have faith..
I know its hard.. just have to try

Unbelievable. Un-fucking-believable.
We FINALLY get a statement from a band member, and one who sympathizes with us, and you fucking crybabies wish he hadn't said anything. You should be ashamed of yourself. Guns N' Roses doesn't need fans like you. you behave like a spoiled little snotty kid who throws a fit because he can't have his favorite candy. Fucking embarrasing to watch. Guns N' Roses must have some of the most ungrateful, hypocritical fans in the world.



Thanks for this letter Robin, it was cool to read something from you regarding this situation.
You rock! : ok: :smoking:

It is the opposite sir fuck nut. they have the most hardcore fans in the world .name me one other fan base that would have put with as much bs as this fan base?

It's good to hear from robin I guess, But at the same time it's also kinda sad to see how fed up even he is with the way things are going in this band... :-\

Nah he's not fed up....just sorry!

Either way they're still honouring their tour promise to Japan by postponing it...

No, what is sad is seeing the bitter Slash fans try to ruin every positive thread about the new band.
Cut your fucking mullet and realize that this is 2007. Oh, and vr is a joke compared to this new band.

Thanks Robin for giving us some feedback and most of all showing us that you care! I guess that is very important to many fans. We went with GnR through all this fuckin shit for years and we are still there. I guess the ones still left can forgive GnR pretty much everything as long as we know they care too. As far as Axl is concerned I am not so sure. By constantly postponing and reworking CD he has built up so much pressure and expectation for himself; this surely is a heavy burden to carry. Nontheless I wished there was more official information. It is simply absolutely barefaced to the South African Fans to not update the webpage. And for this lack of communication I blame Mr. Rose personally. Since he is the boss of GnR, has absolut control now, it is his personal failure if he can`t get his shit together and find proper management, a webmaster who is able and order someone once in a while to inform the fans about canceled tours and concerts. While I am used to live without CD I get frustrated everytime they cancel tours and concerts. And before some people start shouting: you have no right; yes I have. I have been fucked by GnR 3 times. I booked a flight to Australia this year and it is a matter of respect and decency to all the fans to clarify things up.


But it was very important to hear something from Robin, Ron and Tommy, so we know at least that they care.

Couldn't agree more that is exactly what is needed from them to show that they are not hired guns and that they actually are a band... :smoking:

Well said!! ? : ok:

I sympatize with the fans in Australia/New Zealand about being a bit nervous about the upcoming shows there. I was on the edge of my seat when Axl got arrested in Sweden the day before the show in Oslo, Norway last year. In that case it worked itself out.

Like Apollon said; "release something!" Anything would do, as long as it's official. Like; "At the moment Tommy's hand is healing well enough for us to make the shows down under. But with this type of injury you can never be sure. We will let you know as soon as possible. We know your holding your breath, check the official site for updates" ? :yes:

But with all this silence I can understand people are pissed off! Considering alot of people down under has not been able to see their favorite band in 13-14 years! I sincerely hope it works out for you guys!! And you may actually be the first ones to here some new tracks live! Lucky bastards! ? : ok:

As for waiting for CD goes. An update should only come when the mixing/mastering is done, handed over to the record company and a release date is carved in stone once and for all. All other updates regarding CD will only be a cause for more speculation and will only ad fuel to the neverending burning fire of the winers! ?:hihi: You guys crack me up! ? ::)

/Naltav

Very cool letter from Robin..! Like an intruduction to what we have infront of us..  : ok:

I'm not actually relieved by this statement. It's too cryptic for comfort.


What does that mean? He doesn't mention Tommy's injury...

I feel pretty certain that is what he meant.

thank you Robin,you're very nice man

But

robin didn't tell nothing new.and for me his letter had a bad sign

I'm little scepric about excisting of this band

I like a new guys,but in his letter i can smell the end of the band,and if it happen i will cry all month

@gandra, dont worry. Band is still togather.

just read what robin said.

" The band was primed and pumped, production packed and shipped. "

no worries.

Thats what I was thinking and I honestly surprised that not alot of people have noticed that.

Oh no, people are STILL conspiring about Robin's message?
Ok it's one thing to comment on Robin's email, but where is this new round of criticism against the band coming from?
You know how it is guys.. this is just how the band works
We can't do shit about it.
You just have to try to accept it and hope for the best
That's how it's always been
Sure it's not like this with every band out there, but we can't change it.
We are all very dedicated fans of the band considering the circumstances
And yes, there have been many periods of trouble and speculation and disappointed
But for Christ's sake, DON'T base all this on one letter from Robin
Which, AGAIN, is just sympathising with fans and expressing his disappointment
Don't read into it. As for this cryptic message, that's how Robin's nature of 'speaking' has always been
Go and look at the archives on his website.
He's not suddenly trying to pull any stunts
As I said I get just as frustrated and annoyed about the lack of info and confusion just like you all so don't think I'm sticking up for anybody for one second or that I don't see the light or whatever
But just this one time, I can't accept people are conspiring against Robin, or trying to start speculation based on a simple person letter to fans from him as a token of appreciation

I just wish they'd update the website, even just to say that the SA dates are off. If their lead guitarist is saying the dates are off, the promoter says they are off why can't the band's website.  :rant:

i feel everyone's pain. right now, i feel less excited about the idea of CD coming out than i have for the last several years.

lots of interesting comments in here. but just remember, it's all SPECULATION.

anyone think that all the reunion articles in the press are causing frustratation for the individual band members as well? that must be tough for someone like robin, who has been here for years, has written a song (Better) that could be huge and define the new GnR, yet still hear stories about Axl/Adler talking about reunions (as well as slash).

a song (Better) that was going to be used in a commercial and surely would have garnered him some income for publishing. I'd be pissed. Not that that has anything to do with this thread. I thought it was a cool post by Robin.

I think they probably try and let it roll off their backs as best they can, but when reunion rumors get so much attention and interest, its got to be just slighly discouraging and depressing :-\

And thats why I love Robin and the rest of the guys! Thanks Robin! Hope I get to give you another big hug soon!
peace out
amy

funny guy ;D

Even if Robin was alluding to something other than a hand injury, it has nothing to do with the band breaking up... otherwise he wouldn't have talked about rehearsals, shipping equipment and the band being syched to go on the road.  : ok:

Look elsewhere for theories you Mr. Brownstone muther f*ckers!  :hihi:

I think we're already looking at a November, or at least a late Fall release at this point to coincide with a North American tour.

I love the "coincide with North America" theories.  :rofl:

F*ck America, and f*ck their couch!  ;D

Nice if him to write that letter indeed. Hope the rest of the tour goes well

Where do you gather that people are conspiring against Robin?

Cool letter. He seems a bit sad but it's good to know something about him.

Thanks Robin, you're the man!

And fuck you too buddy, America is better then what ever POS place you live in.

I would say Axl probably has issues (I have a Bachelor of Science in Psychology from the University of Arizona), but don't we all? I mean seriously we all have something that could be considered an "issue".

I just think that the GNR camp is so fucked up looking from the outside that everything seems to be something it's not. Maybe something more happened, maybe something didn't. No one knows except for those in the band and the hangers on. If the rest of the shows are going on as scheduled then its probably just some things that just couldn't be avoided.

its not going to happen. they want to tour the US in the fall, but no promoter will underwrite the tour. The promoters of the 06' US leg, not the band, LOST money on gnr. They are looking at other options for the fall...

 ::)

Read between the lines of Robins letter , it is an obvious confession statement.

Robin pushed Tommy down the stairs in a fit of passion! 

I obviously wrote dont cry!

Chinese Democracy starts right now!

Axl was beaten and molested as a child.  No shit he has issues.

How can you diagnose someone you've never met or talked to?  The answer is, and I'm sure you know this, that you can't!!!!!  Unless someone is around him and talks to him, they have no idea how much Axl's "issues" are contributing to the delay in releasing this record.

That's why all this armchair psychology going on in these forums are bullshit.

Another thing I'd like to point out is this:  All the people reading between the lines, as they say, and seeing hidden meanings in Robin's statement, how do you know you're not seeing what you want to see in your state of anger and frustration?

Ali

You are saying you don't see that it is a little more than coincidence that the biggest complaint of fans on this board about the band is the dismal communication, and Robin states in his letter that he has a conscience, a website, and it isn't too much to clarify for the fans what's going on given the hardships faced by those with tickets to cancelled shows? If nothing else that was a direct jab at the lack of an update from the band about the situation, hence his need to do what he could in terms of answering angry emails.

Oh, I don't doubt that it's entirely possible that he was pissed that more of a notice wasn't given to the fans about the postponement of the shows.  I applaud him for publicly expressing his sympathy.  I just don't see any intimation of any phantom injury or secret motive to cancelling/postponing these shows.  I also don't see how someone can make the leap that he's ready to quit GN'R, like I've read some people say.

Ali

Well that's why I said "probably" I don't know the guy.

I like Robin glad he wrote the letter.

I don't get it. ?Why do people think that just because Robi ? ? n ?doesn't mention Tommy's injury that it must not be the reason for the tour? ?That makes absolutely no sense. ?The last thing we heard was that Tommy hurt his hand and that is causing the shows to be cancelled. ?Robi ? ? ? n doesn't say that this is false. ?If you read this statement after reading the statement about the injury, you could'nt help but assume that what he's talking about is the injury. ?Why would he specifically name the injury? ?That would be repetitive.

well, if tommy is out of the band, then he wouldnt be going around saying that he's sorry.
and if he didnt give that statement, then he'd be pissed off, and giving statements all around.
the band is still togather, and they will play soon.

I busted my thumb 3 weeks ago, and it still hurts, and it was only a small impact.
going down the stairs is probably a lot bigger ache.

If something Bad really Happen. I'll Still Follow Them. Im so much like all The new guys, esp Robin, Tommy and Ron.
But  for now let just think positive. :yes:

The fact that Ro b in has a website and a conscience prompted him to say what he could about the current situations.

He sounds very happy.

Let's hope this all a mute point and that the other thread that mentions the Japan make-up dates being in July is true :)

Ali

+1 to robin

but still no update on the official Gn'R website  :hihi:

Well its nice that someone gives a shit.

True, but hopefully they will update now with the rescheduled Japan dates.

Ali

My brain hurts

No pun intended :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :'( :'( :'( :'( ??? ??? ??? :rant: :rant: :rant: :nervous: :nervous: :o :o :o :-X ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

well if this goes on, we'll be calling him grandad Axl  :hihi:

I do believe that I'm thoroughly confused about.....               






everything.  :-[

band is alive. they're mixing chin dem. 2007 world tour will start in june and they'll play in japan in july. thats clear :P
no shows in may. they could promote the album. i even think the'll do that.

Robin seems frustrated in that letter that CD still isnt out, he isnt on tour showing the world what he can do.


He said that he was "Swallowing the same pill" we are.


Show me how that fuckin statement is in anyway positive.

I interpret that as:

"I am being jerked around and getting frustrated just like u guys are"


Also, the whole CD will be released in the Fall shit is the same thing we've been saying since 2002 or so. It never ends!


Axl said if he didnt meet the March 6th tentative deadline, that he would let us know why and try to explain etc and do his best to keep us informed.

He hasnt done shit to keep us informed in my opinion.


Announcing a tour doesn't keep us informed about the album.

I think anyone would be frustrated in this situation.  I haven't been arguing that Robin isn't frustrated, personally.  I've just been saying that him expressing his frustration and there being another secret reason behind the cancellations aren't the same thing, and I don't see how you can see the latter in his letter.  I also don't see how he is indicating he is ready to quit like some people are saying.  It just isn't there.

Ali

Still, the tour seems to be on again!

Of course Tommy was really injured and I don't think Robin is quitting the band.

I am only stating that if this stuff continues for another year or so, maybe he is starting to crack just a little...........

I dont know how old Robin is but he has been in and out of this band for almost a decade!

Think of how long that is, a DECADE and the fact all he has to show for it, is two tours of old songs one which got derailed halfway through has to eventually start to wear u down.

If u think Brain left just to "Spend time with family" ?U are crazy.

Yeah GNR are so busy he never gets to see his family. ::)

One more stupid post by redx and it'll be the last here by that poster.




/jarmo

I bet he got hell lots of whiny letters.


Cheer up robin!
Maybe cherry blossoms are gone with their petals falling like snowflakes right now but they will bloom again and again. And soon roses will come into bloom. :D

can we stop with the speculation about robin quitting the band??
for fuck's sake, this is good news! still you people want to paint it negative! why is that?
can we get back on topic now? i'm sick of all the speculation. i bet when CD comes out some of you people will be going "why aren't there more rockers? where's the slash like classic gnr riffs? why aren't there more songs! i'm disappointed in the art work! i want my money back!"

90 Days wrote: gone. IMHO just like everything else he recorded for the band. buckethead stops now!  :rofl:

whats that about?

Why are you making yet another stupid, off-topic post? Just to provoke Jarmo?
To answer your question, that post is hilarious but you wouldn't know, you haven't been here long enough to know Saul's posts.

Point to me how that letter was good?

I think some of you need to chillax

He feels the pain and gave people a statement.

Normally he would say his website is not the place for that (guns n roses).

His messages are sometimes mysterious but thats who the guy is.

I look forward to seeing his work on the album whenever it gets released, hes is very talented. ?His stage presence is also cool, and yes I like the spider / crab dance walk.

Not to be rude... but how is any of that clear or official?

I guess I'm writing because I too am disappointed, have a conscience, a website, and I am not on the Bullet Train to Osaka this evening.

If Robin feels compelled to write an apology because he has a conscience and a website, isn't he implying that *somebody else* doesn't?

Since GNR's splendid management can't quite get motivated enough to apologize to their fans, Robin Finck's taken it upon himself.

What a shame.

The quote could easily be read as "I too am disappointed, I too have a conscience and I too have a website."

How do you know that the "too" doesn't apply to everything following it in the sentence?  A simple matter of grammar could change the entire meaning of the statement.


Ali

Does Robin really needs to draw it for some understand? He didn't put any hidden messages on his letter, for Christ sakes!

The quote could easily be read as "I too am disappointed, I too have a conscience and I too have a website."

How do you know that the "too" doesn't apply to everything following it in the sentence?? A simple matter of grammar could change the entire meaning of the statement.


Ali

C'mon...? Of course he was getting in a little shot there!? I don't think it could be taken any other way than as a veiled reference to the lack of information on gunsnroses.com.? That said, I also don't think that it hints at any tensions in the band - just a difference in philosophy and him doing the little bit he can do to try and keep the fans informed.

It could be anything, that's the point.  No one but Robin knows what exactly he meant.  I'm just trying to point out that a small difference in interpretation could change the entire meaning of the statement.

In the original announcement of the Japan shows postponement, Tommy expressed his remorse and apologized profusely for what happened and thanked the fans for the patience and support  Tommy seemed bummed too.  Maybe he was just expressing his sense of frustration alongside Tommy.

Ali

Hm, funny how it is it's coming from Robin that the South Africa shows aint gonna happen and still you could think they are when you watch the news page here ???

what do they say??

and why do Tommy's page still say that they are going to play SA

maybe he's left handed.

LOL, yeah, maybe he just found out...my bad :peace:

that is the funniest thing i've read on this board in the last month, since this nonsense began....props for that....

 I respect people who think positive. However I feel bad that some of those same people can never seem to read between the lines. So much SPIN in here that it makes me dizzy.

The problem with reading between the lines is that it can be subjective and therefore dependent on and subject to our own personal feelings, dispositions and attitudes.  Therefore, it can often be inaccurate.  Not in every case, but often.

Ali

If Axl had exhibited any degree of conscience over this, and used his website to convey those feelings, then I think you'd have a point.

Instead, we got one pretty shitty little press release, in which Tommy's only quoted as he takes sole responsiblity for his injured hand.  But what about the obvious notion that a bass player could be replaced for a few shows?  What about the album?  Why can't we ever just get a full story about what's happening?

Why is GNR continuing to pretend like they'll be "honoring" their South African concerts when they obviously know full well that they won't be?

I think that was the point that Robin was making.

Well, it wasn't that long ago that we got an update that the recording was completed.  Maybe there is nothing new to report there?  Maybe the record is still being mixed?

I don't know why they haven't updated us with their revised tour plans.  I sure wish they would.  Maybe they just want to give one big update as opposed to several smaller updates?  Who knows?  We'll see, I guess.  The only thing I do know is that this business of reading between the lines can be entirely subjective and is hardly fact.  That's what I meant when I said people will see what they want to see in Robin's statement.  Everyone's own biases, feelings and dispositions will dictate what they read between the lines.  That's the problem in doing so.  We're all certainly entitled to our opinion, just know that is all that you get when you read between the lines, that's an opinion, not a fact.

Ali

They should have explained why it was so important for them to cancel dates instead of replacing the bass player for a few shows -- like they've done with every band member, numerous times.

You're talking about replacing someone when they've left the band, not when they're hurt.  Different situation entirely.

Ali

yea. apparently people can't think.

Mabye they're on a tight budget and didnt want to hire someone for a few dates... Mabye they didnt feel comfortable with anyone, with such little notice... Its life deal with it

You may not be aware of this, but GnR has replaced members who couldn't perform for a show here and there -- Adler and Gilby had that happen. 

If Axl wanted to play those shows, he could have found a solution to the Tommy situation.  He's done it before.  Other bands have done it too.

If the story about Tommy's wrist really is true, Axl may have decided that he'd rather not play the shows than replace his "General" for a few nights.  He has every right to make that choice.  But that means Axl decided to put what was good for the him above what was best for the tens of thousands of fans.

Maybe the reason Axl's refused to explain himself is because the explanations make him look bad.

Maybe you shoud wait a few days and see what happens as i have a feeling something is going on

Me too.  I just think it's stupid and pointless for Axl to expose himself to all this criticsm when he's got a perfect podium from which he could clear up all the rumors.

The problem is, when he's forced to finally say something, he puts out poorly worded, inconclusive press releases.  It's either because he's intentionally trying to be vague to cover for the poor choices he's made, or that is PR team is woefully incompotent. 

I honestly can't tell which one it is. 

But it creates a cycle.  He posts a shitty, lame press release.  People -- understandably pick it apart -- then Axl thinks that no excuse is good enough and shuts down again.

I have been a fan for 19 years, so yes, I'm aware of that.  I simply misinterpreted what you wrote.

You're right, Axl has every right to say "I don't want to play without my General".  But, how is that putting what was good for him better than what was good for the fans?  Maybe the band don't want to play without Tommy either?  It's not like Robin said anything indicating he thought they should go ahead without Tommy.  Maybe Tommy's absence would affect the band and their on-stage chemistry in a very palpable way that we can't appreciate from the outside looking in?  Who knows.  But, I wouldn't say that he put himself above the fans when that decision was made.  You don't know how Tommy not being there could compromise their show and affect it's quality.  If Axl had gone ahead with a replacement and that would lead to a less than stellar performance, then that would be putting himself above the fans.

Who said that Axl has to explain every decision to the fans?  Since when is there any obligation on his part to do that or any right of ours to demand that?

Ali

How could you possibly know what Axl thinks?  None of us have any clue what he thinks and therefore have no idea how Axl reacts, if he reacts at all, to how people respond to his press releases.

Ali

Entirely correct.


This is true, and it looks like this year will be no exception.

blame axl, blame axl, blame axl, it's all his fault.

axl is responsible for every bad thing that ever happens.

he single-handedly broke up the old band and fucked up this tour by being selfish because tommy messed up his hand.

it's all part of axl's evil plan to be selfish and mean.




idiots.

Announcing a tour does not keep us informed about the album, that is certainly correct.  However, we weren't told we would get an update at every step of the way, or on a bi-weekly or monthly basis.  Two months ago we were told that the recording was completed and the album was being mixed.  Maybe nothing has changed since then, that the mixing is still going on, therefore there is nothing new to report?

Ali

I have been a fan for 19 years, so yes, I'm aware of that.  I simply misinterpreted what you wrote.


Who said that Axl has to explain every decision to the fans?  Since when is there any obligation on his part to do that or any right of ours to demand that?

Ali

amen.

Axl though implied that HE would keep us updated.

Del James posting something doesn't qualify as AXL saying it.

I got from that letter, that he was gonna stop keeping the fan base in the dark and that if March 6th wasnt met he'd write another letter to shine light on what was going on.

Maybe i misinterpreted it but That is what I had in mind.

Not this same ole stuff over and over.

As long as we're kept abreast, does it really matter how that information comes to us?  Isn't the bottom line really that we get the information, not how we get it?

Also, again, he never said that he would keep us updated every step of the way.  Some bands do this, and I think it would be cool if GN'R did that, but they don't have to.

Ali

Yes cause if Axl doesnt live up to what the person said he can always use his "I didnt say it" excuse and blame someone else.

How many days should the people who spend their hard earned $$$ have to wait to find out if GNR are coming or not? Saying that it is a festival and therefore requires less from GNR is BS.

Do you ever step back and read what you have written? How can you defend Axl or GNR in their "keeping us abreast" !?!?!

Did you step back and read what I wrote?  I said that we were never promised an update every step of the way in the process of this record, so to sit back and complain about it is crap considering we aren't owed that and Axl and GN'R aren't obligated to inform us of every step along the way.  We got an update as to the record's status from someone in the know, what more could you want?  Isn't it entirely possible that nothing has changed since then, therefore there is nothing new to tell us?

Ali

You did misinterpret the letter in the sense that Axl had egg on his face with the album failing to show up last year even though he said it would like 3 different times, and his manager made matters worse with that whole "13 Tuesdays" fiasco. Axl was going to say anything he could at that point to try and turn the momentum around, and anyone who reads these boards religiously knows that him offering us the slightest bit of hope from his own mouth would by him more time. Nothing short of making it at least seem like CD was imminent or close to being released was going to get him out of that mess.

O.k., here is the part of his open letter that deals with giving updates:

"Once it is finalized and official, you will be notified. If we are delayed for unseen reasons, you also will be notified as soon as possible in regard to a new date, and the album will be released as shortly thereafter as is possible. We thank you for your patience."

Where in there does it say that Axl will keep us personally informed?

Ali

Ok, you continue to be happy with how you, as a fan, are treated. We are proud of you. ?: ok:



BTW -  Robin, thanks for thinking of us !!!

Your problem is your completely misguided and misfounded sense of obligation and entitlement.  Who are you, who are any of us, to try and demand what and how much information should be divulged by GN'R?

We were informed when the recording for the album was complete and it went into the mixing stage.  Yes, that's enough for me.  I don't need to know every damn detail along the way.

Ali

Ali

just a question.

How long have u been waiting?


Its easier for people who haven't been waiting as long as some of the rest of us.

For instance if someone is new to this forum and just got into GNR say 5 years ago, they don't know the misery that hardcore fans since the 80's feel.


read what Axl said:
Once it is finalized and official, you will be notified. If we are delayed for unseen reasons, you also will be notified as soon as possible in regard to a new date, and the album will be released as shortly thereafter as is possible. We thank you for your patience."


March 6th was almost 2 months ago. Maybe I missed the memo but I sure as fuck havent been notified about anything.

D,

The God's honest truth is that I have been a fan since the spring of 1988.  I have bought Appetite on cassette three times because I wore the first two out and I have bought Appetite on CD twice (the second time because I lost the first :) ).  I have bought each of the UYI records on cassette and on CD and got those records the day they were released.

I wish a new date would have been given along with Del's update, I really do.  But, it wasn't.  Maybe I'm easy to please, but I was glad to know the recording was done and the album was being mixed.  Things are moving along and that is positive.  I just don't feel like we're owed anything more than that.  I'd rather not be given a tentative date again and wait for a firm date, but that's me.

Ali

^
fair enough.

I actually have enjoyed the wait all these years but the 6 months or so are starting to wear me down a bit I am not gonna lie.

I've always gave Axl the benefit of the doubt and I've supported this band Gung Ho but if CD doesnt come out this year, that will constitute a reason to truly panic.

everyday it is getting closer,sir....closer to not coming out this year. Hell last year axl said more then once it would be out in 2006, then waited till the end of the year to say other wise. and hell dude didn't even have a finished album

Poor tortured soul.

The whole idea of waiting is what you need to get over.



Has a new date been set yet? No. How can you be informed of a new date when there's no new date set?

You've been notified about the album being recorded and then that it was being mixed.


Axl thanks for your patience, but seems like you lack it.  :P


/jarmo

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=71149

GUNS N' ROSES havee announced that their 2007 World Tour will begin on June 2 in Monterrey Mexico. The tour had been delayed due to an injury to bassist Tommy Stinson's left wrist. Fortunately, the sprain is healing nicely and soon the band will be ready to rock like only they can.

June will see GN'R perform three concerts in Mexico before heading to Australia and New Zealand. It's been fifteen years since GN'R last performed in Mexico, Australia, or New Zealand and the anticipation is beyond belief. July has GN'R traveling to Japan for a series of rescheduled concerts. Fans attending can expect to hear GN'R classics like "Welcome To the Jungle", "November Rain", "Patience" and "Sweet Child O' Mine" along with blistering new songs from the band's forthcoming "Chinese Democracy" album like "Madagascar", "IRS" and "Better".

That's a good point, Jarmo.  If there is not a new date set even internally for the band to turn the record over to the record company, or a non-public date penciled in between the band and the record company, what is there to let us know?

Ali

Jarmo has to always be right.
 :P
Yeah i guess for some reason I didnt think of that. :confused:

I have patience. I wouldn't still be waiting and excited after all these years if i didnt.

I just assume that if they are starting another tour, the album has to be ready for release. If not cancelling those dates in January would seem kind of pointless.

No one said Jarmo has to always be right, but really, if there is no doubt even set in the minds of the band, what is there to pass along to us?  It's a legitimate point.

Ali

Only 99.99% of the time.

I'm human.


 :hihi:


/jarmo

They did used the time to record more, didn't they?

Maybe they wanted to get the recording process done because the mixing can be followed while they are on tour.

still doing better then most of us sir.

the wife says I'm right only about 00.01% of the time. 

I'm only a  male though. :hihi:

Jarmo- they gave us a date of Mar 6 before the recording was even finished. Now, recording has been finished for 2 months. So you mean to tell me that they could give us a tentative release date before recording was finished, but now that that process has been completed for 2 months, its even HARDER to GUESS at a release date? So if you guess once to justify cancel ling shows, you better not GUESS again, just because your cancelling more shows. 

Excactly. I have been a fan since '91 and been waiting for this new record since '99, and I just enjoy the ride, I want the timing to be right.
I want this album as much as any hardcore fan can want it, but at the same time I have a life. And that, my friends, is a key element to avoid bitterness.

jarmo,sometimes your protection of axl is pathtic
you know that most of us are right,but you have to say the opposite just beacuse you are who you are
that's lame man :-X
i love axl but he turn guns to an unreliable band and you think twice about everything they say.i think that theres not much people out there whom take this band serious besides us,the fans :no:

Cancelling the shows was pointless. It really takes some balls to cancel a tour to finish an album, then attempt to start another tour on the other side of the globe, without the album you cancelled the last tour for even being mentioned!! Axl got paid to do the shows at the end of the tour then when he got tired of performing he quit and came up with an elaborate plan to disguise it all before his recently fired manager blew him out of the water. We all read Mercks letter, he was gettn ready to tell the fans the truth !! Now, when the time is right, he goes right back to collecting $ for his cd/blow fund, from anywhere that he hasnt already scrounged money and or dissapointed fans.

Yeah, stating the truth is lame because your idea of the truth is the complete opposite.

 : ok:




Will you ever get it?

Those January shows were canceled so they could finish the actual recording of the album. It's been taken care of.





/jarmo

Hey... You and Jarmo complete each other perfectly  ;D

am i the only one who thinks this is a nothing statement?


3 paragraphs of saying "better luck next time"


GnR bitches that we speculate then the lead guitarist issues a criptic statement like this...wtf ::)

haaaaaaaaaaaaaateeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer

just shut up. robin did this for his fans, on his own site.

he can write whatever the fuck he wants, he doesn't aim to please you negative, unappreciative fucks.

^ ::)

since I'm  GnR fan i guess that makes me a Robin Fan :P i just think he coulda been a bit more definate in it instead of so wishy washy hippy sounding

He's Robin, he doesn't need to pretend to be something you want him to be.


As usual when there's some kind of comment from GN'R or a member of the band..... You get the point.  ::)




/jarmo

That's just kind of the way Robin makes his statements on his website, man.  It's the way it has always been with his website statements :)

Ali

Robin for your sanity and talent,CUT YOUR LOSSES and move on. ? ? There is much more music that you yourself need to put out there. ? I have had all the faith in the world in axl,but IMO he will never put this album out,yes i said axl will never put the album out.

dont the "speculator's" like me get flambayed by several people for "speculating" about GnR? or am i mistaken? and at a time when breakups are being muttered alot on the forums (Not by me I'll have you know) and cancellations are rumored and the lack uf updates about the sitiation on the official website (which still says Africa is a go BTW) and Axl's feelings about the fans are being questioned, we get this statement by one of the number one guys in the band:

"I guess I'm writing because I too am disappointed, have a conscience, a website"

really what the hell does that mean?

like really he can be whoever the fuck he wants to be i dont care but talk plain sense man


 :peace: I know i just wish it woulda been a more insightful update to this current situation than that thats all....i know thats how robin is, i've complained about his gnr updates before :hihi:

I agree. I knew last night when his statement was posted that it would lead to all sorts of speculation. I know that's how he writes on his site, but vague, cryptic messages about GNR probably isn't the best idea. Any other subject, cool. GNR, not so cool.

It makes sense to me, maybe if there was an official update there would be less speculating.

If everybody agreed about GNR there would be no discussions. What would everbody talk about politics.

I think all the threads about the exmembers and hair syles have all been beat to death for the last 10 years.? Everybody is just frustrated and it has been more apparent the poeple who have a diffrent opinion get bashed lately.

I guess the part that throws me the most is the I have a conscience.

What does that fuckin mean? Like he feels bad for constantly putting off the fans or something?



On a side note, I was agreeing with Jarmo saying he is always right. Cause I admit I was wrong on that count.

I think he feels for what the fans are going through.  I think he wanted to let the fans knows that he understands the frustration and feels it himself.

Ali

damn am i sensing some logic here? i too think i might start to believe Chinese Democracy will never happen :no:

i'm going to wait til July though before i jump the ship for good


btw, as an unconditional fan of Robin I'm really happy to read his acknowledgment of the situation, it's nice and considerate of him to dedicate some words to the fans, and besides i LOVE the way he expresses himself! love love love his choice of words hehe, Robin always makes me smile :love:

ah gotta love when the "unconditional" fans feel like jumping ship. :rofl:


now you are speculating you bad boy :P GnR doesnt like that you know :hihi:

She did say unconditional fan of Robin, not GNR....

cuz robin has so many other things on the go at the moment ::)

i personally thought it was a very clear statement, considering it was robin, who wrote it on his website....

I've never met bigger pussies and crybabys in my life. you guys are ridiculous.

I can't see how everyone that is taking this statement by Robin, be it a great gesture as we've been updated or this statement is the band commenting about this situation and we should like it and that's it.

They cancel Japan, then cancel SA and who knows if Australia really is a go at this point and why because we get nothing official that is telling us what the deal is.? ?Now, some may say, we don't need to know the deal, the people that paid alot of money for these tickets should be given the respect to at least get something official from Axl or the management or someone in the band as to why [yeah I know Tommy's wrist didn't heal up and this is even speculating cuz noone has said that, the promoters used the same statement from the Japan tour being canceled for the SA show] and what the plan is going forward with their tour.? ?If they don't know, then at least give us something.

Understood the band is disappointed but what is the deal.? ?That's what fans want to know, why is that such a hard concept for people to understand and more over why is it a bad thing.? ? Considering SA is still on the official website, now you are gonna fans that may not even believe they aren't playing it if they don't follow them like we do.

Messed up how ever which way you slice it.

Maybe you can if you get the facts right.  :-\

Until something official comes from the band saying otherwise, isn't that the fact right now?

only sa shows were canceled.

He didn't say that. don't take his words out of their context. Better use his exact words. you sound like a journalist when you misquote someone like you do. i hate it when people do that.
300.

Yeah, I know, but that one comes from the "I too am disappointed" part directly.  Not too much of a leap :)

Ali

So, what did he say? He said "I too have a conscience." It's one item in a list of things that he says in that first paragraph.

Okay they postponed  ::).  Until they actually reschedule this for July and the promoters in Japan confirm this then it's technically canceled.

Robin is a cool guy for the email, I will never believe the Tommy story unless I see the medical report, I think for Axl to believe his fans would buy that bullshit excuse is an insult to our intelligence, but that's just my opinion and I would say it to Axl's face if I could! Oh Axl next time you may want to go with something like, "God Ate My Homework"

now you're right. case closed.

Again.... that's official according to whom?

me. as one of guns n roses says that at his official site, for now that's official enough for me.


beside the sa promoter said so too. Coke fest is not out of their territory but their very business so....

There's no knowing what will happen next. 

I'm just saying I can't get my hopes up until it comes straight from the band as a whole.