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Launch Radio Networks reports: VELVET REVOLVER has pushed back the release of its second album, "Libertad", to late June, sources have told Launch. An exact arrival date for the disc has yet to be determined. Although it was never officially confirmed, June 5 was widely reported as the record's initial release date.

Source: Blabbermouth.net

Aw crap - what's the hold up guys? 

'07 is gonna be a loooong year.  So much waiting I've just about given up.  "Go on live your life."

Was the ever a "firm" release date announced by the band or management?

VR clearly are "firing" on all rounds and I bet that if anybody thinks they can't top Contraband, think again cuz they have the creativity and experience to build on their last record. There's no competition in the Rock world that can eclipse VR

 :o :o You really need to get out more.

Until I hear something more significant than "Contraband" I would strongly disagree with this statement.   I do think the new album has the potential to be great however...potential being the key word.

Not too fussed, late June is better than no release date at all.

One month delay is better than on goinging yearly delays  ;) yes i had to be that guy

That sucks :(

Only officially "endorsed" date was the "June" given in the latest website update.

I wonder why they pushed it back?  To do a whole tour without a new album?  Just kidding.  But shows are much better when an album is out to support.   Hopefully end of June.  Man.

May, 28.

HBK *

The band sucks!

I can wait a month more :P

Even though their lead singer sucks. :hihi: Yes, I had to be that guy.

ughhh delays, i hate reading that word when it comes to an awaited album for me.

the album isnt delayed, the band still says its coming out at the end of may

Jonathan Cohen of Billboard.com reports: After scrapping the original May 29 release date, VELVET REVOLVER has settled on July 3 to unveil its second RCA album, "Libertad" (artwork). Impacting in mid-May, the first single from the set will be "She Builds Quick Machines", one of the four new tracks the group has been playing of late during shows in South America.

"RCA did a bunch of research on what the first single should be," bassist Duff McKagan told Billboard.com last night (April 16) before a gig in Buenos Aires. "I'm pretty anti that stuff. The band had something they wanted to go with, but RCA just kept coming with it. So we decided, it's fine. It's a great f*ckin' rock song. It has a kick-ass guitar riff, a great chorus, a really big bridge and a great Slash solo."

McKagan is also high on "Last Fight", which he calls "a mid-tempo, really beautiful song; probably something you wouldn't expect from us," as well as "She Mine", described as "a fun pop ditty."

Read more at Billboard.com.

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003572634

Sounds like an appropriate date.

This fight could be the last fight.....sounded real catchy on the VLogs

Damn I hoped they would change their mind about releasing sbqm as a first single...

Anyway good news that they finally've decided on a release date...

You're not disappointed/upset that it's not coming out in May or June?





/jarmo

No.  They are already going to release their second album in 3 or 4 yrs, they have kept fans up to date on whats happening, they have a single coming out in May and the record company has their album.  Why would be dissappointed?

disappointing, but i can wait until july

Not particularly.  Of course Id like to see it earlier, but Julys not bad.  Are you implying a GNR comparison?

This sums it up well.

It's less than three months away - what's their to be upset about - a release date was announced! :beer: It is slightly disappointing particularly in the sense I won't have it before the Dublin gig, (although it will probably leak by then) but I'm certainly not gonna complain - the record company decides and they obviously have their reasons for releasing it then! It's a shame the record company were able to overrule them on both the single and release date decisions. Still, i would have taken a July release date at the start of the year

I'm curious about SBQM. I loved Contraband but I don't think this song comes close to Slither, Sucker Train Blues, Dirty Little Thing or Do It For The Kids, the great rockers from CB. It sounded average in Buenos Aires, and certainly not a song you'd expect the record company to choose as first single but we'll see what happens when we hear the single version.

Once again RCA is screwing with what singles should be released. This happened with Dirty/Little Thing and Sucker Train Blues. The band wanted STB but RCA thought it wasn't radio friendly so they went with a DLT. And look how well that worked out for the boys. Then the same thing happened with " You Got No Right" and "Come on Come In".

July 3rd is a long time away, frikin 2 1/2 months.

Oh well at least RCA finally decided on a date.

July 3rd IS MY FUCKIN' BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  What a great day is goin' to be july 3rd, I don't mind to became older, I want the day of my birthday to come soon
i WOULD LIKE the album to be released sooner but this is a great new!!!!!

I wonder if the July 3rd date is for marketing purposes. Since July 4th is Independence Day and the album is called Libertad.

I wonder if "Last Flight" is about when Duff sat next to Kurt Cobain in April of 1994.

I thought you were anxious to hear it since you're such a huge fan and would feel a bit let down that they can't get it out sooner.



Nothing to do with any other band.



No way. This band is all about the music. I don't know how you can imply it's got to do with marketing.   :no:




Instead of saying anything about the (dangerous) rock band doing what RCA tells them to, I'll just say... Maybe they don't have any singles on the album... It happens.

Sometimes when the whole album is filled with songs that don't stick out, it's hard to pick one to be the first single.





/jarmo

As is the case with every band - the band looks after the music, record company looks after business and marketing. Some artists have more say in Business and Marketing than others.

Darkburst was talking about the symbolic nature of the date from an artistic point of view. In this case, it would also fit in with a good marketing plan, although I doubt this is the case. Maybe they're hoping the summer festival tour in Europe will increase interest among fans of other bands and get them interested in the potential release.
That's a stupid comment to make for obvious reasons. Besides, the band obviously thought they had a good single choice, but the record company had a different idea of what would make a good first single. How does that imply difficulty in picking one to be the first single because of a lack of choice?

If you're on a major label there's a marketing department that makes decisions on selling your album. I don't think the band had much input on the exact release date. At least they can get out a new album in less than a decade.

 ;)

Hooray!

 ;)





If your album is filled with future rock classics, which one do you choose to be the first single?

It's difficult decision.




/jarmo

It certainly is. : ok: Now i'm confused. :hihi:

By the way, I agree with your comment about VR being dangerous.  It's annoying hearing Duff and Slash talk in every interview about how "Dangerous" they are. Sounds childish and cheesy. The most dangerous band in the world don't have to tell everyone how dangerous they are. Duff said that about GnR when he was young as a joke, now they're believing it. I know what they mean by dangerous, but I think they should let it go and stop saying it in every interview.

Jarmo most of the time i agree with some of your points (Scott comparing it to Exile, the Dangerous stuff), and most of the time I hate when people bring up GNR and you and them fight over it page after page, but it looks like now your being the instigator and if a full on GNR vs VR race war erupts in this thread, this time, in my opinion, its your own fault

Well then you're reading too much into things.

I've seen fans get upset over less things than a postponed release.....



I was expecting to see Booker to question why they'd push back the release since the album is ready for release.






/jarmo

The funny thing is 'Exile' had no major hits like previous Stones albums. Though commercial successful it wasn't critically acclaimed until recent years. Personally I love all Stones albums with Mick Taylor on lead guitar. In fact I recommend 'Let It Bleed', 'Stickyfingers' and 'Exile On Main Street' to anybody here who doesn't own them!

You thought wrong, I guess.

Now if theyre still promising it years from now, I might have a different response.


Ill just have to take your word for it.


And sometimes it has songs that top rock radio charts for 9-plus weeks and sells over 2.5 million records.  Youll  criticize either way, however.


Im not sure why this is.

Mick Taylor is a badass player and a big influece to Slash. ?Goats Head Soup was a good album with Mick on Lead as well. ?I love Bitch off of Sticky Fingers. ?That actually has a Keith Solo in the begining of that song. ?

Jarmo always cracks me up. Such a believer.  : ok:

Anyway, while I'd rather see it sooner, at least the date has been fixed. It would have leaked out by then I suppose.

You just seem like the kind of guy who questions a lot of things.


True. I don't have to like something just because it has former GN'R members playing on it.

It could sell 100 million records, I'd still think the lyrics are boring and most of the songs rushed/uninspired.





/jarmo

Yes we know. Thank you. You've told us a hundred times already. Why don't you reserve your criticism till CD comes out? Then we'll have something to talk about. Till then we fans will listen whatever "boring, rushed and uninspired" songs VR provide us.

What's the problem?

I answered Booker's claim.


As you might've noticed, I didn't say a word about the new songs.

I didn't comment on the low quality live versions unlike some here. I'll wait until the album is out before judging the tracks.



I do have doubts that they can create a new classic rock album. No matter what Scott says.





/jarmo

Neither did I. I'll wait for the album as well and fuck what Scott says.

I'm glad the album was pushed back  ;D.  I think it's a good move for VR  : ok:.  Now more people are going to want it  :drool: , I have no idea how any other band can survive without Slash, no one will ever be better then him.  Why is he doing all those interviews about re-joining another band, if this album is going to rock he should want to stay in this band right ?

He's been taken out of context a few times in some of the articles I've read.  If ya watch the actual interview he did about the GnR reunion, you'll see that alot of the articles that have been written have been giving the two sentences about the reunion a life of its own.

Either you're taking the piss out of the members here in a comedic fasion, or you're being a fucking biased and pretty bad administrator.  You're basically, in the 'tone' of the words you write above, picking fights.  Sorry man, but that's not very rule obiding.  Play nice Jarmo!

I'm pretty sure they won't. No band has released a classic rock album in the last decade and nobody will in the near future. Neither VR or GnR. Rock is as dead as can be. It has been done to the fullest and now there's nothing left.

Sure I'm a bad administrator just because I was surprised to see Booker just agree with the release date.

I'm used to see him questioning a lot of things and now he didn't.


Sure, I'm biased. I have an opinion on Velvet Revolver. It's based on the fact that I grew up listening to the music a few of the members in that band created in their former band. Now they got a singer who seems to think everything he does is magical and classic while talking a lot of bullshit.

And you're not biased?



/jarmo

Just to drag this thread back on topic

I was just re-thinking this release date and it occured to me that this is the worst date imaginable for releasing an album.

I mean alot of schools will be out for the summer vacation so promotion through word of mouth will almost be zero and a shitload of people would rather spend their money going on vacation than on buying the album and to make things even worse the day after the release is the 4th of July so alot of people will also be busy doing other things...

This release date has written disaster all over it.... :-\

First, let me clarify that I meant July 3rd was appropriate because of the albums "liberty" theme. 

Second, what is there to question?  The album is finished, turned in and ready for release.  I dont know why you think I would make an issue out of it being released the first Tuesday of July instead of the last Tuesday of June.  So again, what is there to question?

I think youre misremembering some of my past posts. 

Go and find somewhere that I was blatantly, blindly following someone and slagging someone off for no reason.  Go check my posts.  You'll find me praise AND slag off certain people ... if they deserve it for past/current actions, fine ... I don't suck anyone's cock like a lot of the fucking idiots here.  And that goes for VR AND GNR obsessives.

I like both bands.  Contraband was a straight ahead, cool album, that I still put on a lot.  I listen to the shitty studio versions of Axl's new songs too.  They're good also.  Not outstanding.  By any means.  Not at all.  But they're good.

So no... I'm not biased.  I might slag off VR a hell of a lot less than I do GnR... but that's deserved.  GnR has pulled more shit than VR... simple fact.  If you think I'm biased, take a look at my stats ... I've seen VR once.  New GnR twice.  Does that mean I think GnR is better?  No... not at all.  Does the fact I just said I don't think GnR is better mean I think VR is better?  No.  I think both bands have a lot of potential going for them.  NEITHER band has met it's potential.

Anyone who thinks these two bands have written anywhere near what they're capable of is wrong.  Contraband and newGnR stuff is just as good as each other in diff ways.

So there...

Re: the topic...

July 3rd is fine with me !!! :)

 :beer:

I guess I was expecting you to question why they would have to push it back until July instead of getting it out to their fans as soon as possible.

And also them touring without an album out....





/jarmo

Again, Im not sure where these expectations came from. 

The album was just finished and its coming out in two-and-a-half months.  Theres nothing really unusual about that and theres not much to question.  It was handed over to the record company and they decided that July 3rd was the best date to release it. 

As much as I love to see you two fight.  I gotta say that Jarmo, I also thought that some parts of what you posted in this thread sounded kinda mean spirited.  But alas, this is the internet, and certain things dont come across right (ie sarcasm, ect) on here.  But also, I agree with Jarmo about Scott thinking he's gods gift to Rock n Roll.  It gets old very quickly.  Its one thing to be sure of yourself, but Scott takes it to a whole other level. 

I want to point out that I love old GnR, I love "new" GnR, and I love VR -yes it is possible to love all three.

I think Jarmo is possibly anti VR  :peace:

The fact that VR is listed on HTDGTH under Wasn't Yesterday Great makes VR sound like they were yesterday, where as they are in the 'now' out there, performing live, and releasing records.

I think you're anti-GN'R.



Exactly!

Nothing to do with the fact that it refers to the past when the former members were actual members of GN'R.

 : ok:



/jarmo

Doing what RCA tells them? That sounds... dangerous!



j/k :hihi:

Am I allowed to post again Jarmo?
 ???
Truth be told, VR's music is definitly inspired, though the lyrics seem like a bit of a hangover from drugs (some, not all). I have said it before that Contraband has at least 6 songs that would have fit Axl like a glove (with some revised lyrics), and to me that's a mark of great musical success from a band that has had as muhc pressure shedding the past as the nu-GNR.

As VR gets more experimental with their music, I wonder about the validity of Axl's lack of confidence in his band mates in the mid-1990s in carrying out his musical mission. Except for not having a keyboard player and synthesizer (or whatever crazy gizmo Chris Pitman plays), VR seems to be maturing and aiming for higher musical ground.

GNR has yet to get off ground and if I'm not backing VR, I would hold my tongue until Axl has balls to put out the record.

MNW

why is it a surprise that duff and slash talk about their band being "dangerous"?
they never stepped out of the eighties.
and why was my post about madagascar being more complex than VR's music, which was infact a response to another post, deleted? sad :no:

Damn!

I'm the only one who's supposed to react to the amusing dangerous image......  :no:

Must be a Finnish thing.......




/jarmo

In VR's defence, I haven't heard any mention of them still being 'dangerous' since the hype at the start of Contraband, so why must you bring it up all the time Jarmo? ::)

Umm-I give them credit for dropping the GNR/STP covers after this leg-I'd love to see any bands out there just play songs off of their last 2 albums-who have a catalog like these guys have

I thought they had dropped it, but they haven't.....

Duff was asked about it in an interview quite recently because the guy doing the interview had talked to Scott about it at some fashion show. It definitely was after Contraband's release.



/jarmo

You didn't anwser the question. So I guess you are anti VR  :)

I'm not anti Gn'R, I think Chinese Democracy will be interesting effort. I just just cannot for one moment consider the current line up as Guns N'Roses. I view the 2007 band as an Axl band, and not Guns N'Roses. For me Guns N'Roses doesn't exist anymore. What does exist is a band that covers GN'R songs quite well, and has created some interesting new music which has a whole new sound that is very different to the Gn'R I know. I have one thing to thank the new Gn'R for, and thats for bringing Buckethead to my attention, and to be honest, when I got to see 'the new band' back in 2001, Buckethead was the only element that I thought was anygood. While I will obtain a copy of Chinese Democracy, I doubt I'll make an effort to see the band live again  :peace:

On the VR front, by the sounds of things, they are getting better, and better. The next time VR are in town, I want to see them play live  :)

Keep guessing since you're totally clueless in this matter.  :)




/jarmo

It's ok as long as they release the album during the tour, and as long as they announce a new date as soon as possible, rather then let the old one pass by without as much as a whisper. In fact I don't really care about that either, but I can understand why some would feel disappointed if they had let the original date go by without a word.

Well, I am anti VR. Honestly , I think they are lame. Weiland makes me ill. However, Jarmo, your petty jabs at Booker about the album release date are utterly comical. To even slightly compare this situation to Chinese Democracy is just ridiculous. Axl has been trying to make a Gnr record for 13 years-not 13 months, 13 years-longer than the Beatles were even a band. He has had top shelf musicians recording for him since 1994-whether it is Slash, Bucket, Ron-it doesn't matter. He still can't seem to finish a final product and release it. Don't give me one fucking excuse, it is a joke beyond comprehension. There is NOTHING rushed about VR songs, they just stink. 13 years or 13 days would not make them better or worse. Axl on the other hand , just does nothing. Both bands suck at this point. The Gnr thing is just lame. Cash grab tours to earn enough money to record 100's of more guitar parts (Bumble's words on the recording, not mine). Please. I hope they prove me wrong, but the candle of hope for Gnr has just about burned out for me. : ok:

Ha, keep grasping at straws.

If we're 6 months into the tour and the album still hasn't arrived, and the band refuses to even talk about the album - then maybe the situations will be comparable.

I haven't written for a while but have been lurking.
It's depressing to watch the arrival of 'free speech punishments' like karma points and bizzare rules about only being able to talk about VR 'from a GnR fans point of view'.I guess there is a pice to pay when you are in the pocket of your idol's organization.

It's great to see guys like Booker writing in, sane and reasonable and as much of a spoke in the super fan wheel as ever.
I have noted a sad turn to Jarmo's submissions of late: they often more worthy of a sixteen year old valley girl rather than an obviously intelligent and passionate music fan.

pity

Intercourse.

Think its gonna be July. Cd Wow seem to have tracklist and artwork all in order:

http://www13.cd-wow.com/detail_results.php?product_code=1907688

Let It Roll
She Mine
Get Out The Door
She Builds Quick Machines
The Last Fight
Pills, Demons & Etc
American Man
Mary Mary
Just Sixteen
Can't Get It Out Of My Head
For A Brother
Spay
Gravedancer

 

Good to see all the titles  :D

Hmmm.. I figured the song "Messages" would be on the CD considering it was in the Vlog.

could have just been a working title.

Yeah, except that none of the remaining song titles look appropriate for it...

I'm curious about "For A Brother", should be a meaningful one!

Maybe written by Scott for his brother. (along with Pills, Demons etc.)

messages not in the album????  :o    I love how it sounds on the vlog

I am thinking that "The Last Flight" is about Duff's trip with Cobain on his way home to Seattle.

um... the song is called The Last Fight, not flight... :hihi:

:-[

I need glasses.