Here Today... Gone To Hell!

http://www.aolcdn.com/tmz_audio/0419_baldwin.mp3

kim basinger and her lawyers probably leaked it or something which is fucking ridiculous. this is no one's business. this is family stuff, you dont know the context of it or anything. every parent gets pissed at their kids at some point, i dont think its fair to make judgements. i also heard he called her back and apologized.

People make mistakes.

Sounds exactly like my father.

Well he certainly acted like a jerk, obviously snapped for a bit there. But his wife is an even bigger asshole for releasing the tapes.

Those two just need to be thrown into "Thunderdome" and fight to the death.


Thats my opinion.

What was worse?  That he called his daughter a "thoughtless, little pig" or that he didn't know how old she was? 

I can't imagine how much of a toll this custody battle has taken on him, but doesn't he realize that it's just as traumatizing, if not more so, on the girl?  His responsibility as her parent is, to the greatest extent possible, to shield her from the ugliness of the ordeal. 

As for Basinger releasing it to the public, what can you say?  Beyond pathetic.

Really, it seems not much lower than any of the antics that take place here almost daily and without legal council.

 :hihi:

Yeah, that's probably right.  Although when she's an adult, it probably wouldn't be a good idea for him to overestimate her age. :P

 

Tell me about it.  One of the posters here once left me a scathing voice-mail about how I would die if I didn't stay away from his wooly mistress.

Wait.  That was you.

And he wonders why she doesn't want to answer his phone calls. What a great dad!!!! : ok:

why do you say kim leaked it ?

Their daughter is old enough to leak it herself.

I have never liked that baldwin, he looks violent, something in the face.

If he is as violent as he is meant to be, i wouldn't let my child alone with a man like him.

well, maybe bassinger was sick of him telling everyone she is the only one with a problem ?

this way, it shows he isn'"t quite balanced himself, doesn't it ?

Except for the fact that he left this message on his daughter's voicemail - he knew he was being recorded. ?Additionally, he knows he is in the midst of an ugly situation, so he should be smart enough to watch himself, especially when speaking to his young and impressionable child. ?

I was drinking Kool Aid that night.......

GREAT point.  His daughter could easily have sent it to TMZ herself.  Maybe/probably Kim leaked it, but it could have been some assistant to her lawyer who had a copy and sold it.  You never know.  Either way, Alec Baldwin is a deranged fool for leaving that voice mail.  There is NO justification for what he did, and too bad for him that the world knows it now. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZf2D57o8Kg

Dude need some fucking help...that and a good kick in the ass.

I suppose it's not definite that Basinger leaked it, but I doubt it was the daughter.  What 11-year old girl wants the world to know her father speaks to her that way?  Guess what her classmates will be calling her from now on. 
 

at 12 years old, you can't imagine what i would have done when my father pissed me off..

12 years old in a girl ? woaaah, the laugh..beginning of puberty and adolescence, rebellion, daily wars...

Calling her what he called her ? out of anger, i can well imagine a 12 year old finding a way to humiliate her father by what he dreads most...irritating i know, but imagine the stupid girl did something quite extraordinarily intelligent ?  :hihi: :hihi:

A " oh yeah, I'M stupid now ?"

Good point, but this guy has always been known as a hothead and perhaps on the abusive side so, when you are in the midst of a custody battle, you really watch what you say and do.? I'm not sure this guy has his head screwed on too straight and maybe it is really a good thing he isn't this child's primary caregiver.? Pure speculation on my part, but if my ex had ever spoken to our son that way, I would have been so far into his business . . .

If that's actually the case, then I applaud her for standing up for herself and having the thick skin to deal with her insensitive peers that will no doubt use this against her.

Firstly, what the hell gives any moron here the right to pass judgment on Alec Baldwin's familial disputes?

Secondly, is there any way that we can turn this into a pitch for Alec to star in a remake of Falling Down?

It made me laugh, and my kids heard it and laughed too, its sounds like something there dad could do if he was pissed off enough and hes an attorney. I dont think it was ok what he did but he is human and if the only way he can communicate with her is scheduled calls and she keeps blowing him off of course hes mad. Kids can piss parents off enough to make them become fools of themselves and alecs daughter probably leaked it to make her dad looked like an ass......keekee :D, Im sure being exposed to welath & hollywood the kids not naive

Wow...just heard the tape. What an asshole.

Who is the adult and who is the child? His remarks were verbally and emotionally abusive and if I were Kim Basinger I would not let that man anywhere near my daughter. Kim divorced him because she wanted to protect her daughter from his angry outbursts. There is a difference between losing patience and being abusive and he crossed that line. Hopefully he hasn't set her up for a lifetime of abusive relationships with men.

I can't begin to imagine the precious, coddled upbringing some of you must have had judging by your remarks. I didn't realize that the Bradys had so many children.

what the hell does anybody upbring have to do with how this ass clown treated his daughter?

the dude was wrong for doing what he did.

if i am brady, i am proud, at least i was educated.

being violent and vulgar goes to show a lot and i am sorry if you don't fucking like it, but alec baldwin is ever so vulgar, thank god his brothers save the lot.

In which case parents all over the world are "wrong" on an embarrassingly frequent basis. Which is fine, no-one can be "right" all of the time. I'm sure you'll never lose your temper though, so take solace in the fact that at least somebody is perfect.

I don't think the fucking vulgar fucking Baldwin fucking dropped the fucking f-bomb while fucking leaving his fucking message. But fucking sure, he's the fucking vulgar fucking one.

Now your just grasping for straws sir. Nobody is perfect. every body loses their temper from time to time but not everybody takes it out on their fucking kids. like he did.

the fact that other have done the same and maybe worse. mean that it was alright for him to do that?Or is it  that dude is a famous  and shouldn't be called out for anything done wrong?

why are so set on defending the man ... is he your gay lover?? whats the problem sir.?? do you have an alec B shrine in you closet?

No, he shouldn't be called out for doing what everyone else on the planet has the privilege of doing every day; losing his temper and making a fool of himself in a private communication. Your opinion of what he did, and mine, is utterly irrelevant and the whole incident is no-one's business but the Baldwins'.

I dislike willful hypocrisy. But I do like irony, and hate to see it go to waste.

So everybody should stay out of everybody business. even those socail works investigating child abuse. becouse it a personal matter.

Now who is grasping at straws? If equating your child with a barnyard animal in a moment of anger is not just hilarious but also a crime, we'd better start building more prisons. Lots of them.

what your the one who said that what happens between a parent and a child is personal and everybody should butt out ...

or is that just for famous people?

berating a child is never funny and if you think it is that says a lot about the tip of person you are.

No, I believe I actually said "Your opinion of what he did, and mine, is utterly irrelevant and the whole incident is no-one's business but the Baldwins'." We know what he did. He didn't stick her head down the toilet, didn't fuck her in the ass in a broom closet. He called her a pig. It's clear that I was talking about that. You then tried to equate that with child abuse which is clearly not the correct level of comparison.

How exactly would you fare if the arbiters of moral decency had a direct line into your daily life? I think it was Jesus, of the Christ family, who said something along the lines of "let he who is free from sin cast the first stone," (though it may have been George Lucas. Not sure. Which one got nailed to the cross for Jar-jar?)

berating a child is a form of child abuse... Having the arbiter moral decency in my life would fase me on bit. Wont see me belittling my child like this asshole.

quoting the bible and all it tall tales now are we sir.

it's clear we don't agree on this .

Calling your daughter a pig, once, is not "berating" and certainly doesn't qualify as child abuse under any legal definition. Besides which, the man clearly lost his temper and equally clearly brought his message to a close before he truly crossed the line. Seems to show both awareness and belated consideration, hardly the tools of the ravenous child-hating monster some are trying to paint him as.

I would say, despite the many attempted extrapolations you've already slipped into your posts so far, that it is more telling of the character of a person that they are willing to engage in the vilification and character assassination  of a total stranger for behavior which pales in comparison to the accepted social norms, simply because that stranger is also a celebrity. A nice, soft target for pompous self-righteous "moralists," secure in the knowledge that their own foibles are anonymous. 

I would just say 3 things:

1. some kids are good, some are badly behaved. If you are lucky (and despite your best efforts!) your kid turns out to be well-behaved. The badly behaved kids are really really hard to deal ?with day in and day out. It ?grates on you. They antagonize you with purpose.

2. Until you have a kid, a badly behaved kid at that, do not be so quick to judge others.

3. We do not know what led up to this; I am sure he went through hell to get to this point. I say cut him some ?slack until you know what he has been through.

once he called her a pig more then once . and even threatened her.

So now I'm in the wrong because I don't think berating a child . is a ok. I could give a fuck that dude is famous. You  say other of being on a moral high horse . and if not being down with what this guy said mean I am then I guess I am.

Nobody is trying to assassinated a total stranger character her the dude did that all on his own.

I first heard the call on The Sean Hannity radio show.  (I've reeeeally got to stop listening to him)  He chopped up the message and only played the parts where he's saying some pretty terrible things to his daughter.  While it's alright for him to air this obviously private phone message, he's busy berating NBC for airing the Va. Tech shooter's idiotic ramblings. 

Anyway, Krispy Kreme has it right.  We don't know what precipitated this, but we can safely say that Alec and Kim had a toxic relationship and it has spilled down onto the kids.  For this to have gone public is disgusting.  If Bassinger had anything to do with this leak, I hope she gets what's coming to her.  She (the mom) does have a history of mental illness does she not?  I remember something about agoraphobia being in her past but I'm not certain.  Reality is blending in with my old tv (The Simpsons) memory.   :hihi:

Here we go.

1) The semantic argument; He used the word pig twice in one sentence. One voicemail. It's one occasion. Yes, he said it twice. On one occasion. It is one instance of him calling her a pig twice.

2) The straw-man argument; No-one said that berating a child is okay or that you were wrong for feeling that it isn't okay. Our disagreement was whether Baldwin berated his daughter to the extent that it qualifies as child abuse. If you want to argue about it, argue the actual point and not a substitute.

3) The "dude is famous"; What on earth does his celebrity have to do with anything? Why keep bringing it up? Either what he did is wrong or it's not, it's not more wrong or less wrong just because it's Jack Ryan on the phone.

1. yes it is one occasion .But does that make it alright though?

2. it is child abuse to me. be it on an emotional level.

3 . Is was responding to saying it is to critic him because of his celebrity status. And what I said was It doesn't matter to me that he is a celebrity.." I could give a fuck that dude is famous"

1) Is it really a question of right and wrong or, as is more frequently the case in emotional matters, a question of whether the circumstances (which we don't even really know) at least render the outburst understandable? And should someone be vilified for an emotional outburst?

2) See how easy?! You feel that it's child abuse, I don't feel that it's child abuse. Argument over, because we're just expressing opinions and not making statements anymore. 

Let me add another 2 cents, why? I do not know.

But  as  a parent, I can say that  sometimes you get frustrated, you have bad days, you are tired, the kid  pushes you, etc etc.

One blow up does not mean it  is child abuse.

To me, the key is "cause." if a child is verbally abused  without  cause, that is abuse. But if the kid is an ass and you lose it, that is human nature to blow up. It is not abuse. Patience has its  limits. Some kids ONLY understand yelling. Calm talk does  not work. Take it from me, I have been through it all. I am not defending Baldwin, but I am saying that I can understand him and I  would give him the benefit of the doubt until we knew the full situation.

As a former hellish problem-child myself, I agree.

One occasion THAT we know of. The level of blatant disrespect that Alec used while speaking to his daughter isn't typical of a one time occurance. This is a progressive act. This may have been the most volatile occurance but it does not lessen it being verbal abuse, which is a form of child abuse. With over 3 million reports made annually in the US and out of those nearly 900,000 end in a conviction why should this blatant verbal abuse be treated any different than if Joe Blow off the street were treating his child the same?

No child, regardless of their "crimes", deserve to be spoke to in such a manner. You are setting a dangerous precident writing this off as every parent loses their temper, maybe the kid deserves it and all of the other bullshit excuses being spewed thus far. You are teaching children, all children, that instead of dealing with things in a calm, mature manner that is okay to lash out at others. It is ok to verbally or physically attack others because you aren't pleased with their actions. Yet you expect them to seperate the two when they get older and not hit or curse out every person who may or may not piss them off.

There is indeed a gauntlet of emotions one must endure as a parent. Very few of them are pleasant. Anybody who tells you otherwise is a liar. Being a parent is not easy, nor is it supposed to be.

Being a divorced parent those emotions certainly can become magnified.

Divorced and in a bitter custody battle, even more so.

My cousin went through something similar to this. His ex-wife was a wicked person to the bone (not saying Bassinger is). She brain washed his son against him, used the son as a tool to get her way, worked him for money, had the IRS investigate his income, had a family member in the FBI watch his every move....money money money money money. She was absolutely relentless in regards to money...his money. Second to money, was making sure her son grew up to hate her father. Eventually it worked, and it broke him (my cousin.) He didn't flip out, but he just shut down. That was how he dealt with it, he simply gave up-he had enough.

Usually I despise celebrity gossip, meandering in their personal affairs, discussing what little we know, making judgments, and coming to conclusions (enough commas MCT?) That is usually why I avoid Axl discussions, and band speculation. Because I know, that I don't know. I only know a tidbit of information, and the rest is bullshit, simply too petty for my taste most of the time. That being said, Mr. Baldwin did something stupid, and left a message that wasn't very nice. That's it. We have no idea of what led up to that, or if nothing did. (I surely wouldn't judge him a violent man because of "his face".) His wife, her lawyer, daughter, whoever released the clip out of pure malice, and that was not very nice either.

I guess it's what we all need to see isn't it? The "Stars" are just as fucked up as we are after all....well no shit sherlock.

Now back to your regularly scheduled program...

No but you know we choose to have children, they don't ask to be born. If you make the conscious choice to have a child then you should suck it up and act like an adult. You're right, parenting is hard. You aren't exactly given an instruction manual when you give birth and every child has their own little personality. You, as the parent, have to find what works and what doesn't and have to be willing to constantly grow and change as your child does.

With that said, whether or not she was directly involved with the leak of the message it was a shit thing to do and she should be held accountable. There was a gag order put in place for a reason and obviously she or someone in her camp broke it. The best thing the court could do for this child is appoint a mediator, at the parents expense, to oversee that both parent has adequate contact with the child. Both parents should also undergo court ordered counseling and parenting classes. What both parties need to keep in mind is it isn't about him or her but about the child. If one or both parties can't comply then the court needs to step in and find someone that can and will look out for the best interest of the child, even if that means removing her from their care.

That is neither here nor there, and I didn't say that was not true either.

People make mistakes, and react differently under different stress loads, that was my point.

He could've just threatened to revoke her trust fund. That probably would've worked.

On a serious note though, I don't hold this too hard against Alec Baldwin. we don't know the circumstances and stress he is going through. Everyone is guilty of snapping and saying some stuff they don't mean. Maybe he feels his daughter has been brainwashed and he just emotionally lost it.

It happens.

true but if still dude shouldn't have snapped at his kid like that. it isn't her fault him and kim are going through a mess break up.

To me he was lashing out at Kim through his daughter. He basically said to his daughter what he wanted to say to her. I don't really think its that big of a deal.

I mean he is her father, gave her a great life and she repays him by not returning his phone calls? Thats a shitty thing for a kid to do if u ask me and pretty god damn ungrateful.

And maybe the kid couldn't return his calls. Not like he hasn't gotten anything out of being a father.

I just think its unfair for people to judge the guy when behind closed doors most people have probably went off on their kids a lot worse than this.

yeah their have and are people doing a lot worse then what he did. still doesn't make it right . But hell everybody has a bd day. just hope he hasn't had a lot of bad days.

i do speak like a lorry driver, i am CRUDE, but NOT vulgar.

at 12 years old, most kids have cellphones.

I don't think the kid " couldn't" return his calls, as she is grown up enough now to even go to a public phone to phone her dad should she want to speak to him.

If she doesn't call him anyway she can, it's probably she doesn't WANT to speak to him or to return his calls.

Kids and their opinions should be taken into account.

She has had 12 years of seeing what her father truly is about.

No matter what her mother says.

If he wasan angel and her mother said he was an assole, by her 12th birthday, she would be grown enough to notice her mother was a nag and go to her father, but truth is, she doesn't and up until now, has anyone wondered why ?

This guy is a complete jerk off!

Taking his frustration out on his daughter! What a real douche this guy proves himself to be. Kim must have kicked his ass up and down the street for him to go after the daughter like this.

11 or 12? He doesn't ever know how old she is!!?? The dickhead needs to figure out her true age before he calls next time!

This fat ass pig needs to look in the mirror also!

i laughed so hard listening to this guy screaming at his daughter,?
a few things
?
1.? ?everyone agrees the funniest part is when he forgot how old she is.

2.? I think the second funniest part is when sounding like hes gonna kick her ass.? ?the whole "im flying out there for the day to STRAIGHTEN YOU OUT!" lol

then i started thinking about how this recording got on the internet in the first place,? ?i bet the kid did it -? its something a spoiled little girl who was mad at her daddy would do.? ? plus the recording came out the day he was supposed to be flying out there, but it was made like a week ago,? she obviously saved the message for a while.? ?her mom might have put her up to it too?? ?

he is a first class asshole. there's no excuse to talk to your 11-year-old daughter like that.

fathers set the standard for their daughters regarding how men should treat women. you have to tough as a parent, but you also must have respect for them.

i give my daughter the same respect i would want others to give her, and i hold myself to that standard.

i think of how insane i would get if another adult called my daughter a "pig". and i don't get a free pass just because i am her dad.   

Ladies and gentlemen I give you 'Father of the Year', Mr. Alec Baldwin. Even more unbelievable is some people semi-defending him. Wow. It's really funny when an adult berates and threatens a child. Even funnier when it's your parent. And why shouldn't Kim have released this to the media(if she did). If I leave a message that I know is being recorded, then it no longer becomes private. Or at least it's no longer in my control to keep it private. Going through a nasty divorce, you'd think he would have learned that lesson by now.

No, you needed at least 25 more to prevent anarchy and properly seize control of the reader.

(insert encouraging remarks here)

Anyone who needs an answer to that question is immediately disqualified from having their opinion taken seriously on this matter. There are two reasons why she shouldn't have; 1) It's not the public's prerogative to know about or have to deal with her family problems for her. 2) There is a gag order on any and all materials relating to their custody dispute. If that legal principle is irrelevant then why should Baldwin be bound by any of the judges rulings either? I'm sure she'd be crying foul it the situation was reversed.

Damn you, I resemble that remark! I mean, you know, "resent," !, !, !.

The recording was allegedly presented in a hearing (in which Baldwin's visitation rights were allegedly temporarily revoked) on the 18th of April. It would most likely have been leaked by Basinger's legal or PR people shortly afterwards.

My originally reaction might have been to narrow minded. The man probable did lose it for a few . after trying a few time to get into touch with someone especially if it's your kid ,would more then likely make you a bit agitated. One thing I think we all can agree on is the tape should have been made public. And I do hope for alec and his child that this isn't something that happens on a regular occurrence .

Quite the resemblance, I'd say...

what he said wasnt even that bad...what about that pig wife of his who leaked it out to the press?

This is a civil issue, not a criminal one.

While no crime has been committed, all Alec Baldwin did was show the world he has very bad parenting skills and an anger problem.

More parents should be more proactive in disciplining their kids nowadays, but this crosses the line.

Baldwin needs to get himself a good therapist befor he ruins his relationship with his daughter.? If that tape is indicative of how he treats her when he is frustrated, no wonder she doesn't want to speak with him.? Can you imagine that big hulking guy ranting at you when you are only 12 years old?? Even if he does not hit her, his words and threats certainly imply that physical violence is coming next.?

If I were Bassinger I would do whatever it took to keep him away from their daughter.? This tape has made it quite clear that he is really a bad guy, not the poor victim in this ugly situation as he so often likes to imply.?

Can I ask a question of all you parents posting:

Have you never, ever, ever called your kid a pig?

I don't mean in the context or manner Mr. Baldwin did.  I mean AT ALL.  Never?  Ya know, when they're not being super neat at the table you throw a "Please stop eating like a pig and eat right" comment (shades of Ralphie's little brother from "The Christmas Story")...not yelling, just a quick table manner reminder.  Or when they've left toys scattered throughout the living room, offering up a little "We don't live in a pig sty, can you please pick up your toys"?  Or when viewing their room, saying something like "You're living like a pig...can you do something about your room, please"?  Again, I'm not talking about yelling at them...just using the analogy itself.

Because that seems to be the thing most people are pointing to as being over the line.  And honestly, while the sheer venom the words are delivered with gives me pause, the words themselves? Not so much.  For me, there is a pretty good body of evidence that he sounds like a dad who, over and over again, keeps getting "burned" when making the court ordered phone call to his daughter and has had enough.  I also would suppose that he knows his daughters motivations, and influences on those motivations, better than many of those "convicting" him in the press and on these boards. Or maybe not.  But all we're left with is supposition.  Honestly, what's the use in that?  What do we accomplish other than a bit of "projection" of our own feelings/situations into a situation we don't know fuck all about?

Seems pretty pointless, eh?

Actually, no, I've never called my son a pig.  I also have never called him stupid. 

Aside from that, I think the point is to listen to the message.  It's the tone of his voice and the anger that makes the message so scary.  Additionally, if his daughter is not returning his calls or making herself available, he is more likely angry with his ex-wife, believing that she is attempting to alienate his daughter from him - so he is "projecting" his anger with his ex towards his daughter.  Again, get some therapy! 

no, i don't call my daughter insulting names. i never say "you are a _____ ."

my daughter is younger than 11, so i may not be a good sample to compare to.

but i stand by what i said. there is no excuse to DIRECTLY call your 11-year-old daughter a nasty name.

and the term "pig" when directed at females, carries some very negative overtones.

i don't think posting comments on GnR message board accomplishes much, except to get a feel for others opinions, which is interesting. so i don't think this thread is any more/less pointless than most. ?

no Never have called my child a pig or any . The mans word selection isn't the problem with me . it's the venom in his voice that is. Now maybe the dude was just having a shitty day.

I think their is a big different s in maybe calling your child a pig for not being net and doing it out of anger and with aggresion in your voice.

^ their could also be a reason why the daughter is alienated from her father too

Alec Baldwin is an abrasive asshole

I could care less what he said in private - but I can only imagine some of the really damaging shit he has flung at his own child over the years

What a dick

Agreed.

Most hollywood actors are children mentally. They always have gotten what they want since everybody seems to pander to them. Baldwin' s actions are not of a responsible parent. Its OK to discipline your kid, but when it gets into name calling and threats.....................

i think the overall tone was a nasty, and maybe confusing and damaging to a young girl, especially one who apparently rarely sees her dad. but i didn't think it was anything THAT over the top. just bad parenting.

i have a problem with parents calling their kids names - especially dads calling their daughters derogatory names.

and for me, the term "pig" is pretty high on the scale of nasty things you can call a female. i think if he had called her a "brat", i wouldn't have thought it was as bad. still, wrong. but not as bad.

pig is def a word that can create complexes..it seems he is talking to her as if he saw more of his ex wife in her than himself and seems he can't come to terms with it..

If he can't make peace with his ex in his soul, there is no way he can be a good parent, because she is half and half her parents, and i saw photos of her today, she inherited her mother's beauty. If she is like her mother in other areas too, it may be a better idea he seeked therapy.

What will he gain in destroying kim junior when he can't reach kim " the rock" senior" ?

Because that's what it seems to me.

Seems like he is on some sadistic trip where the " only one lost is you"... :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

selfpwn by Alec Baldwin.