Here Today... Gone To Hell!

And im not talking about his kid. the band should be open and truthful about it. we all know he's out, but why keep us in the dark? Its too bad because Brain has been in the band for a long while and is a great drummer. gnr is much better with him in the band.

Maybe they are.

You're making assumptions based on the fact that he's not touring with the band.



/jarmo

What exactly is he assuming?

Yeah I look foward to Brain joining GNR again. ?Mysteron confirmed a few months back that Brain is still in the band and will rejoin GNR at some point. ?Until I hear otherwise from gunsnroses.com or Axl, I'm assuming he's still in the band. ?He's the best drummer Gnr ever had in my opinion.

thank you. im assuming nothing. im asking for an answer

Im not not saying this because its GnR. But Frank and Brain gotta be one of the best drummer out there.. Along with Danny Carey.
And Brain is still in the band, no reason to doubt that.. It would be no problem to announce his dep. if he had quit, since Frank is there..

Looks like an assumption to me.

You're assuming the band isn't open or truthful and that Brain is out just because he's not touring.




/jarmo

no . thats not an assumption, man. its the facts. we have no information about his status except that short statement last summer about him spending time with his child...nothing else, nothing. those are facts, not assumptions. i am asking the question to get an answer....im not assuming facts to get to a conclusion....i mean, this shouldnt be such a big deal/argument...is he in or not? Let the fans know who is in the band they love...thats it..........

Boo fucking hoo  :'(

Would it make a difference to you either way?

Members of GN'R have stated he's a member of GN'R so.....?

He's in the band until he or the band says otherwise.

That's the way I see it.





/jarmo

Plenty of bands have two drummers that take turns playing on albums and tours.?

We had official word on the website that said Brain and Frank are part of the GNR family.  I would have liked to have seen brain on the 06 NA tour, I was fortunate enough to see him at HAmmerstein.  I would like to see Brain touring with GNR when CD is released because he's been there since 2001.  But we don't know anything about him, maybe his wife and new born really need him around.  We should be glad we have someone as enthusiastic as Frank to want to be part of the band.

I'm not much of a Brain fan anyway.
Stuffs up Mr Brownstone, It's so Easy and You Could be Mine off the top of my head.

jarmo lets be honest mate......im a firm beiever the album will come out this year but as fans we have been shit on from a great height....how many offical updates has axl given us in 15 years???
you cant really say he wasnt active in that time period because we all know he was with different musicians.

saying that on the other hand.......there could be lots of legal shit....record company problems or he just dosnt givew a shit but one thing is for sure if they tour again with the same setlist and no album by the year is out i will never visit anything gnr related again becuase it will have turned into a joke

Why don't you guys ask HBK about Brain ???
 ;)

Brain left the band.  :)

Brian is in the band but not touring because he had a disagreement with band members about the albums release date. They never gave a firm date that lived up to the release so he decided to just stay out which as of now we know its Frank is in the band. Whether Brian is going to come back is unknown.

Whether its Brain or Frank who ultimately turns out to be the lead drummer, it does not make much difference to me, I like them both.

Brain adds a bit more dimension to the songs while Frank is more personable with the fans it seems.

You have to agree though there is precedent in terms of the band not being truthful about the status of one of its members and whether or not they had left. You remember them swearing up and down he was still in the band despite media outlets saying otherwise, Only for Axl to confirm in that Rio letter that he had been gone a while. This wouldn't be the first time this sort of thing has happened with this band.

Was he not asked to re-join?

Wonder why they didn't say Buckethead was out while they still tried to get him back....

Different situation.





Who made you the spokesperson for all fans?



Once again, you want updates only to say "I don't need to hear this, I want a release date" or "this is bullshit, they're lying to me because this guy, who works for this other guy who knows another guy, told me so".




/jarmo

That may be true and the same thing may be happening with Brain right now for all we know. You just stated it as such a matter of fact that they have never mislead about the status of a band member (intentionally or unintentionally) and I was just pointing out that regardless of the circumstances surrounding it there is a precedent for this sort of thing.

now now jarmo .......
iv never been one to call anything here bullshit....for the most part i just like reading but cmon 15 fuckin years.....its a joke......relase date here release date there IT NEVER HAPPENS,
to be honest i couldnt give a crap what you think jarmo becuase ur opinion is equal to mine and im entitled to it with out you rubbishng what i say........if you know something come out with it instead of just shooting people down.

ps.......if chinese democracy comes out it will be gnr's last album unless axl can live till 150 years old when he can bring it together to get another 64 band members and that "perfect sound"

No, I pointed out that maybe they're not doing the things they were accused of in this particular case.


The band is constantly attacked for lying and treating their fans like shit.



Learn how to fucking read. That's my tip to you.


Just because you read something and think it means the album is coming out on a certain date, doesn't mean it's what the band said.

There's been one tentative release date so far. One!



/jarmo


PS Since you're only here to whine about the same old shit, it's time for you to fuck off. We've had enough funny guys like you here already. : ok:

It would be nice to know when this album is coming out , verses story after story pertaining to why it is not coming out

Maybe if the fans weren't such ungrateful assholes, Axl would give us a date. 

I blame all of you.

Not a asshole like you just higher standards as a fan

Judging by some of the posts I've seen, high standards means getting what you want exactly when you want it.

It's not high standards, it's just that the band should adjust to your life and your "needs".

In other words, become one of those so called "sell outs" that tries so hard to please everybody.




/jarmo

Why do you need to know about Brain RIGHT NOW? It'll all come out in due time, whatever the situation is. If he's not in GNR, then he'll probably be back with Praxis, since they have a CD coming. I win either way!

If Brain is gone, we'll see him eventually in a Primus tour.

Yknow what this thread isn't directly linked to the purpose of thread, but carrying on the previous conversation, look I admit for a while, while I have never been completely against the status of the band and the ongoing issues, there were many points where I was just really frustrated and disappointed, and that went all the way up through to Christmas last year when Merck's "10 Tuesdays left" theory or whatever was at its peak, but after Axl's letter came out, yknow what it has been reassuring, and in the time since it does seem like there is progress in the background.. after that, i backed off from continued interest in these boards and listened to different bands and stayed away with the occasional comeback.. and then i came back a few weeks ago, and my 'surprise' was that an Australian tour was impending..
You just got to try and stay patient. It really is a difficult and fucked up progress involving many legalities in the background, just have to wait it out. I feel sure the album should come out this year, especially since all recording has finished.

Primus as of now is:

Les Claypool ? vocals, bass (1984?present)
Larry "Ler" LaLonde ? guitar (1989?present)
Tim "Herb" Alexander ? drums (1989?1996, 2002?present)

So why would they fire their second drummer? Who is back....for Brain? Since Brain is still with Guns N' Roses.

Some of you guys do not make sense at all.....

People really need to fuck off on this Brain department thing.

The man just had a kid, he has a life, some people are assuming way too much out of this.

Get real some of you!

You are right, Primus does not make sense, but Praxis does! Just pulling your chain. As I just said, it'll all come out, whatever it is, and like Ben114 said, it's gonna take time, but I know some of us don't want to hear that right now. But, we have no choice.

don't read into my posts any more then you act like you need to . I only want to know when the album is coming out so I can buy it  and enjoy it..period

the last official word was he is still in the band.  if he wasn't, i dont see why they would deny it when they have Frank right there to do the job.

Also, Brain did come back after he left the European tour to play 5 shows in Vegas, SF and San Bernadino.   So it went Brain then Frank, then Brain again, and then Frank. 

now, I might be assuming here, but Brain lives in the bay area, and those 5 shows he played after he had his daughter are all in pretty close proximity to where he lives and didn't require him to tour the country.    and when it came time to do the full blown tour, they used Frank.   They are going overseas again and have said they are taking Frank again, but I believe we will see Brain with the band again in the next year or two.   

Yknow what I haven't really followed the Brain story, but my last word on this is that, definitely, just like they did with Buckethead, if Brain was out, I'm sure there would have been at the very least a short statement from someone in the band or representing.

Frank was good at MSG and seems like a cool guy.  That being said, Brain is amazing and I think it'd be a big loss.  This band sounds really tight with him behind the kit--the Vegas show I saw was mindblowing.  He's a real "musician's musician." 

I imagine we'll see Brain behind the kit for Gn'R on their North American tour this year : ok:

Wouldn't be surprised if he's taking a break from overseas touring to continue to be with his family.

What bands? Ive heard of replacement drummers. But ive never seen a band list its lineup with two drummers, unless they are both playing at the same time.

And everyone needs to calm the fuck down with the assumption thing. Looks like the mods are trying to flex on somebody who doesnt deserve it if you ask me. Chill the fuck out and talk about Guns N' Roses. As the mods have said before, no need for useless conversation (drivel) in the Guns N' Roses section.

In general you are a huge prick Jarmo. You ruin almost every conversation. Every response from you in this thread has been some smartass answer. Dude you run a fucking message board. Everyones opinion is equal to yours, people can say what they want. And dont tell me to go somewhere else, as far as a message board, ill give you full props that this one is the best. But over the last year, with the resurgance of the gunners, youve taken it a little bit too far.

Amen!  : ok:

Lots of bands have two drummers.  :hihi:

Lots of bands have zero albums. :hihi:

Well, then I'll play the part.

Bye! :wave:


By the way, I present the other side of the fucking coin. While you and your buddies paint everything in black, I'm saying there's more to the picture than just what you like to see. That must be really upsetting that some of us refuse to accept everything said about the band in the press as the truth or refuse to agree on the stupid idea that we're owed an album.


So just for you and your friend below, I'll play the part of the prick.

You had nothing to say on the topic except attack me. What a fucking waste of space.




You too.

Good bye.





/jarmo

Everyone's so uptight.

We should all purchase an Official GNR Brand Scented Candle from gunsnroses.com, draw a nice bubblebath, and listen to Estranged.

(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o308/hisroyalfatness/369_7500181.jpg)

we'll know for sure when CD is released.
I just hope Frank hasn't rerecorded all the Brains input, and Bumble Foot rerecorded all of Bucketheads input.

They should try selling items covered in the new Gn'R look, and not the 1986 AFD look  :hihi:

We don't know what's going on with Brain and that's fine.  There may be a family issue that the band has chosen not to make a public matter for people on message boards to dissect and argue about.  I know I say that at the risk of starting more inaccurate assumptions but let's back off and let the guy have some privacy.  I know he's a great drummer and all....but is it really that important?  Frank has done a good job of holding it down.

haha, nice!!   :hihi:

It would cost a lot of money to produce a whole new batch of official GNR Brand Scented Candles.

Something tells me they're trying to unload a warehouse full of merch so lame nobody wanted to buy it, even at the height of GNR's popularity.

he is the owner and ruler of the place.. he can wathever we wants..
if you dont like the rules and his opinions dont come here

i think the people who want the album date etc etc, are probably right. there is little info ever given to the fans of the band, we hear through third parties tidbits of info and like 3 days later its on the official page....lame.

i think all people want is for the band to be sucessful and end what has almost become a joke album/ project (at least thats the way most non fanatics think) . just get out there and make the world pay attention to what we already know, that this version of GnR is a great band.


with respect to Brain, maybe the reason we haven't been told that he has left or whatever is because of Axl's obsession with court cases and contracts? maybe brain has a compensation clause? you never know, it's axl and he's fucking neurotic about these things.


also, i do think that you do rubbsh peoples opinion sometimes Jarmo, usually with the answer "they dont owe you" and "but we got a tentative date" or "its all the legal issues"........ blah blah.
which doesn't really cut it for the average fan.  if that backfires then you say its my board, fuck off! and if thats what you want to do then its your opinion and thats fine by me, just dont expect folks to like it!


peace!

dave

I guess I should just sit quietly while some "fans" come here day after day after day saying the band sucks, Axl promised them an album and how GN'R never updates the fans.


As far as I'm concerned, that's all bullshit and we've had enough of that kind of posts.


It seems to me like none of these people who keep posting the bullshit are ready to take responsibility for what they're saying. Instead of agreeing that it's not always just a matter of "announce the release date and everything will be great", they'll attack me and call me an asshole when I point that out.

I didn't say it's my board, others are saying that.

So get your facts straight.

I'm saying, if you're only here to complain, put down others who are excited and generally just gonna act like a fucking idiot, maybe you need to look for another board where you'll feel more welcome.


Maybe I could've understood the whining in like 1999, but we just had a tour last year and a new one starting this year and all I see is a group of people whining. I can't relate to that state of mind.




/jarmo

fair point dude. what im trying to say is that i can understand where everyone is coming from.

i dont like the negative shit either, im always sure that axls may see and just decide never to release the album or tour again........which would be a real shame!

Having a bad day Jarmo?, What was that about?

it seems a bit harsh just to ban the guy like that, don't know if he always had that attitude but when looking through his last posts he seemed genuinly positive about the new band and this board...

Did you ban him because he insulted you or because of his posts in this thread? Imo everyone should be allowed vent now and again, The guy had been a member since '04 for fucks sake...

oi...what a discussion....

speaking of "official" words....

other than Axl's press release for the canceled Rio show a few years back, when we "officially" heard that Bucket's departure was the reason, did we ever get "official" updates as to who left and when?

no?
well, then, wtf is everyone on about?

Brain may be gone....so what?
Before him, we lost slash, Duff, Matt, Gilby, Izzy, Robin left and came back, josh Freese, Buckethead......and we have never been treated to a nicely worded press release by the band's management about those departures...

nothing changes, so why is everyone getting so uptight about the "brain silence"?

Thanks for the concern, but not at all.

It seems like people think it's fine to call me a prick, but then when I actually act like one, look what happens.

The guy had nothing to add to the discussion, it was all about what a huge prick I am. This from a guy who's never dealt with me or never met me.


If you're gonna insult me, be prepared to have to take responsibility for what you said and deal with the consequences.





/jarmo

So, i think we can lock this thread with the conclusion.. Yes. Brain is still in the band.. good idea?  : ok:

it's hardly a coincidence that it's the hardcore slash fans that always complain that jarmo doesn't allow more senseless moaning. retards.

and as for the "he's been here since 2004 for christ's sake!!!" comment, hahahahaha :rofl:

wow, quite an accomplishment ::)

some of you people must have heard of GN'R through the greatest hits album.

Alright fair enough, guess the normal rules around here don't apply when someone insults you, since insults usually get you neg. karma...




Hey wiseguy, the guy that got banned was a die hard axl fan? :hihi:





Coming from a guy who signed up 2 months ago...

Still no official word on Brain

It's the fault of everyone here that there's no word on Brain.

If, IF Guns came out tomorrow and said no more Brain and you won't hear a single note of Buckethead on the album, the shit storm of whiners and bitchers would be incomprehensible. They're probably keeping the info, what ever it may be, on the down low just to spare Jarmo from a week of hell.  :rofl:

Better to wait til the labum comes out if they DO have any news on Brain or Buckethead to pass on.

to grouse:

i've been here since 2002 :-*

I know, you've had quite alot of acounts  :-*

Thanks.

If you knew that, why the hell make a point that i signed up for this one two months ago? :confused:

Anyway, back on topic. We will hear from the band in less than two weeks so just chill out.

Because at the time I posted that I didn't realise it was you since you changed your Screen name once again...

Jarmo, two questions.

1. When was the last time you criticized Axl Rose on the message board?

2. how many times have you ever done so?

Ok, let me get this straight.
We're not allowed to simply just talk about GN'R and wait for the record, we have to criticise to be true fans?
Thanks for your input.

1. 1988
2. 1




/jarmo

Jarmo, two questions.

1. what is your name?

2. what is your favorite ice cream flavor?

3. what is your name?

I think everyone is making a bid deal out of the Brain thing... homeboy wants to chill with his daughter and he's obviously got the coin to take some time off...  I'm sure if most people could afford that kind of option, they'd do it in a second...  I think it's pretty cool that the band hasn't kicked him out...  I know if I walked into work and told my boss, hey I think I'll just chill for the next year with my kid and not show up - he'd fire my ass in a second...  then again, lots of people can be jizz moppers...

Brain's out until Axl offers enough "straight up cash" homie.... :peace:

Do most fans want Brain back in the band, or are they satisfied with him being out?

I'm not too fussed, Frank does a good job on the boots that I've seen. Drummers are more easily replaceable than guitarists/singers.

things axl rose has done since 1988:

-incited 3 riots

-repeatedly used security personnel to harass fans who wanted to take pictures or record bootlegs at shows

-canceled tour dates to finish an album, and then relaunched a tour months later with no album


Here's another question for you, Jarmo. Why did you give Axl's open letter its own thread, but not Merck's? Doesn't that seem odd, considering how often you've defended Merck?

Listen, when you understand who's in the band and who's not, then you might get it.



Doesn't it seem odd that you're here posting?

Did you mistake this place for some chatroom where you can act cool?

Phrozen Inferno..... 



/jarmo

I'll bite.

What happened that caused you to criticize Axl one time throughout all these years ?

Make up something. Your fantasies are way more interesting than anything I could come up with.

 : ok:



/jarmo

They are both very competent drummers. I appreciate both of their contributions in the band. Obviously this isn't the case at this time but if Brain were not to return for any reason it would be a shame because he has bought the band to where they are today, but at the same time Frank is a great drummer, so nothing is lost in terms of musicianship.

Why the smart ass answer to such a simple question ?

Jarmo, why are you getting mad at alot of people today. I came into this thread before and you and a couple of other people had arguments which led into you banning them. Did they really deserve to be banned. I mean, Chinesedemoc has been a member since 04, even though that doesn't mean he's great, showing by his post count and previous posts and threads, he seem's like a good user. He was just trying to contribute to conversation. I understand he was a little pissed at you, but at least he was man enough to tell you and not hold it back. I'm not trying to start an argument at all, so please don't take this wrong at all dude. You are a great admin on these boards and I don't want to start anything off wrong. A few answers would be all. I respect everyones opinion and yours will definitely be respected. Remember, I'm doing the complete opposite of starting a flame war with you. I want to keep this clean.



Thanks. ?:beer:

Okay, here's my fantasy...

Axl invited Jarmo to his house for unicorn rides.

But when Jarmo got there, he found out there was no such thing as unicorns.? Just donkeys with plastic horns.

i say this thread just gets deleted already, i was expecting to read people's opinions on brain and the last three pages have just turned into "the people vs. jarmo" isnt there another section of this board to complain in?

Um, ok lol. I don't think Jarmo mean it literally; Or did he?

Because, it's what people do. Come up with stories about what I do and why.


This has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. Why are you suddenly interested in my opinion?





Ok, so you're saying this is contributing to the discussion about Brain's status in the band:

You're a fucking idiot


Really?




You can think I'm an asshole, idiot, prick, gay, geek, nerd, boring, horrible, nazi, what-fucking-ever.

But there's a place for all that. And it's not in the GN'R section.






/jarmo

Jarmo, yor best bet is to close this thread.   These assholes will not stop until you do!

I preffer Ferrer...

GNR estranged, I don't think this thread has turned into "the people vs. Jarmo" thread, I just think that some people feel that Jarmo is turning this board more into a Monarchy, rather than a lax environment. This is not my opinion, so I may be wrong. I have the feeling some people are scared to say stuff to admins because they fear ban. Say what you want, just make it in a clean and mature manner. Just don't be a total ass when discussing with the admins. The one thing I know is that the tension in this thread has been obnoxiously large. Alright, I should stop talking for other people. GNR! ?:beer:

Chris Pitman wasn't in your fantasy?  ???


 :-\



Relaxed environment?

Meaning it's ok to attack the band and me day after day without somebody doing something about it?

Yeah, we've been working against that kind of shit for a while now.


This place isn't aimed at kids who want to show off in front of their class mates during lunch breaks.

Anybody who can read has figured out by now that this place isn't for "fans" who like to repeat this: "It's not GN'R, it sucks! Why don't they tell us a release date? They owe us that album!"




/jarmo