Here Today... Gone To Hell!

http://media.putfile.com/unseen-fottage--vma-2002-rehearsal

thanx to phrozen inferno

Cool shit!

Cool. I'd love to see the whole thing, just to see this band in a different atmosphere.

thats hella cool

You can't really see much of anything.

what did Axl say ? " we've got 2 verses.2 chorouses" then it starts?..I dunno man lol..pretty cool  :drool:

you can see more than what you could 10 mins ago eh. ? its all thats out there of this video ?: ok:

Cool shit man. I'd love to have the whole thing.  :drool:  :rofl:

looks reall good!!

I hate hoarding.

Awesomeness...thanks :-D

So does the guy still want $1200 for it?

Well that certainly does beg for lots of questions to be asked. Such as, where's the rest? How'd he get this much?

HOLY FUCK THAT FOOTAGE IS COOL!!!!  Can't wait to see it all, this footage looks like its been taken from someone's tv so whoever's tv that was obviously has it

http://chinesedemocracy.com/index.php/topic,26319.msg621972.html#msg621972

sladdi said: i did not leak it to him (or anyone else). thanks for sharing phrozen... the guy just emailed me to say that he's pissed about this going on youtube and the deal is off.

fuck the hoarder.

no way!!! this is really bad, what was the deal exactly?

im quite confused over who actually has this show, which 'guy' has it? i only knew velvet1223, him?

sladdi (owner of newgnr.com and admin of cd.com forum) was dealing with the guy (velvet1223?) about the complete rehearsal. but after phrozen leaked the clip, velvet1223 cancelled the deal. that's what I heard.

what was the deal like, any better than the previous $1200 deal?

I really have no idea

I've just emailed phrozeninferno on youtube urging him to take it down for the sake of Velvet1223 not pulling out of the deal

doubt if he will. but good try!

well hes a bit stupid if he doesnt, ive just emailed Velvet1223 as well informing him of me emailing him urging him to take that clip down, hopefully velvet1223 will regain trust in me this way.

who honestly cares about this footage? it prolly sucks

NO IT DOESN'T SUCK!  ITS A WELL KNOWN FACT THAT ITS OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING TRULY AMAZING

so prhozeninferno has refused to take my advice and remove the clip from youtube, so thanks to him our chance was blown to obtain the VMA rehearsals in some way from Velvet,  moronic move.  Lets look at it from velvet's point of view, a day or 2 ago that footage was top secret, then the day after, someone pulls an idiotic stunt like that and in a day the footage is suddenly available for the whole world to see.   I mean, youtube of all places?! I'm sure it would only normally take half a brain cell to realise that that move would completely screw up the deal, I know alot of people wanna see it (including myself) but can't anything that we hear on the net maintain a certain level of secrecy?  If people are gonna keep going against the demands and wishes of people who have such rare stuff, we can say goodbye to ever getting anything from them.  I'm just saying, in future try and negotiate with them a bit better.

 in my eyes it is not worth that much money

its never been top secret....we all knew it existed ::)

So you've seen the full rehearsal?

yes but i mean secret as in very few people have actually seen it, read more carefully man

No but you don't need to to predict its something legendary

ok people something he is not telling u is yes if he gets it he is going to hoard it till he gets what he wants.
but that does not mean still he will rease what he gets.
weather he does or does not is his choice but at least tell all the truth mike

are you being serious :-\ :hihi:

if youre a big fan like myself youd understand

I bow to your undying loyalty ::) its a damn rehearsal thats it....geez...tell me what your expectations are that makes you think its so "legendary" :hihi:

wrong dude i am a fan 2 and it is not that big of a deal rehearsels are not great things. i would not pay 1000.00 or more for less than 45 min of footage ?period. u told ?me straight out he wanted 1200.00 and after u got it u were going to hoard it till u got your just due out of it. that makes u just as bad as he is.

I'm a victim of several scams already mate

 "legendary"

no way shape or form just a piece of history over priced by a jerk that works or worked at mtv

Burned! Haha. Good one Timebomb!

ok this thread is now out of control, it wasnt meant to escalate into a piss taking session

You really think your pm to velvet is going to earn his trust. Come on. This guy has been dealing with the big horders for ever. He is not going to care what you have to say.

Forget it the deal is off, In a few months people will try and buy it again. No way velvet is going to do anymore dealings with this issue being hot right now.

Plus this is a public site, he reads everything here.

then tell the truth dude u want it for yourself to hoard or get just due to get what u want that makes u a hoard just as him

i'm not taking a piss...jusut wondering why people are getting their panty's wet because of a few minutes of gnr rehearsing....axl prolly doesnt even sing half the time....and i even doubt they play the whole medley all the way through....i jsut cant see any reason to get excited over a soundcheck :no:

wanna see BH in a differnt mask? i mean for real whats gonna be exciting about it? I'd prolly watch it once and delete it

POST OF THE THREAD ? :peace:

nobody is getting wet pants, its just nice to see new footage that we've waited years to see!  I think the songs are played in full because if you look at gnrontour.com the songs are listed differently on both vma rehearsals and the actual vmas, one has the songs listed in commas and the other has the songs listed with forward slashes, surely implying bits of the songs were played the actual night and the whole songs were played at the rehearsals, ive heard its 40 minutes long, axl is dressed weird and theres a chance axl says many interesting things during the rehearsals, so its gotta be good in those ways surely

well if youre so sure you know velvet that well, then i didnt tell you about a time when i emailed him a few months back, there was a time when he sounded like he was thinking about offering it me, i said how hard it would be for me to raise such cash and he said 'no worries, i completely understand your respone, i probably wouldnt pay that much myself, what kind of offer would be more suitable?'

got ya there didnt i

less than 500.00 is my opinion on that offer

what he gonna say interesting? "Oh Robin is too low in the mix" or "Shut the fuck up and play the damn song Brain". regardless, enjoy the $1200 practice session and if you get it be sure to do a review for us...but i seriously think your hopes are way to high :peace: hey maybe you and the other hoarders could giggle on the phone together that none of us lesser fans have seen it :P

No you got shit, grow up kid.

I saw the threads last year and the year before and the year before. Including your post. Velvet has had many many conversation with guys trying to get stuff. Only people with money get anything out of him.

It is fact that others have bought from him before. I have all his contac info also. Big deal you sent him an email. I do not want it because I think 2002 was a nightmare to me.

GNR is active why would anybody be willing to pay money for something in the past. Especially 1200 bucks for this crap.

So what would you do with it when you get it. You would hord it also. Tell me you would not I already know you are a liar ?

$5 .... maybe

yeah i agree $1200 is too much but its better knowing there is a way of getting it still

amen s.s.

would you give out all his contact info? cuz i need to talk to him more directly, this way id find all this out for myself

Nope it is against the rules of the board? :hihi:


Plus you would not be fast enough to contact him, Axl would have his lawyers on him first

meaning what? velvet wouldnt have chance to respond to closer contact?

if u can not believe what this board tells u on him well that shows u do not trust no 1
the only reason cbgb ?got out is paul cromwell was selling on ebay he bought a dvd then the guy pffered cb's to him but it was a 13 dvd to 1 deal i know i was there i saw the mails i was part of it
jm and others tried to keep it hidden but we brought it out

Meaning you and I are little fish in a big sea. You have no chance unless you got 1500 laying around to give away. It has been tries hundreds of times.

raising money to get to that goal only promotes more selling by tapers / horders / filmers.

A few hundred to cover cost is one thing more then that is selling and wrong

I wouldn't mind seeing this, though it's probably the least interesting sounding thing that velvet1223 has.

He actually has the rehearsals frm the Ritz 88 show as well, now THAT would be great to watch.

thank you, glad youre one of the few that hasnt criticised my interest in it

i guess you missed this part :hihi:

surely we're all entitled to our own opinions regarding what gnr bootlegs we are interested in....

I also don't think it's worth that amount of money. fuck that hoarder :rofl:

I'd like to see this in full, would give a great insight into the inner workings of the band at that time when there was so much secrecy and nobody knew what was going on.

well said man

i like bootlegs do not get me wrong i do pay for my share of stuff trust me.
i hate hoarders as well as the next guy.
but i do not believe it is worth 1200.00
i wanna see all boots but not for that price
we all have interests in what we like in boots. i like it all rehearsels demoes concerts. but i will not put out over 1200.00 for 40 min of stuff if the ritz was thrown in maybe .

My opinion on this..

Sure, would be a great item to have as a collectable. Pretty rare to find such extensive (Well I'm assuming this rehearsal footage lasts for about 40 minutes at least) footage of a band working behind the scenes, especially Guns N Roses and also considering the timeframe of when this event occured.. Would be cool to see how they work in rehearsals, what songs they did, what they were considering for the broadcast etc..

$1200? That's a shitload to pay just for some rehearsal footage. The fact that it has, to my knowledge been successfully ripped off from MTV vault / archives makes it one of those considerably rare videos that you could only dream about MTV releasing or some crazy plan of 'breaking into MTV and stealing it'.. but that is also the exact reason why you wouldn't want to commit a serious price like $1200 to purchasing it.. not only because that is a ridiculous amount of money to pay.. but the seller is hoarding MTV licensed material.. couldn't there be a legality involved?

As i say, While it would be fucking great to have this footage for its value and significance, especially with so many likeminded bootleggers/hoarders around, I don't think we want to humour them anymore in taking such a price offer seriously, and also, maybe it would be best for the sake of the fans and their money to bring this 'deal' to the attention of somebody working with the band..

Very cool! Thank you to both Phrozen Inferno and MR W, AXL ROSE!  : ok:

Question: Is it not illegal to sell this type of stuff?

Who is this velvet1223 guy anyway?

Fuck this. Where's the hoarder who has the 2001 HOB. Let's give him $1,200.

Is it true that the bloke asking for $1200 actually has HOB 2001? Has he proved it to anyone?


 :peace:

No, it is not.

I would die to watch the whole footage of this thing, but at the same time I think that we, the GNR-bootlegs fans, need to stop giving money to this people. This is getting more a more common, and we are in front of these ridiculous high prices with more every time with frequency. Someday, every bootleg, every person who records a show will come here and comfortably ask for money, without being banned or questiones by anyone.

But that is just my opinion. I will never pay (anymore, I did buy some bootlegs in the past) money for un-official stuff. I can support with some money a filmer (support, not payed vacations...), a tracker or a guy like Timebomb that bought a very expensive silver cd-set like ''Donington Micpad Massacre'' and then shared it with the whole trading community.. But that's my limit, and I think it's fair.

I absolutely agree with this. Fuck that guy. Vegas 01 doesn't even exist.

If we don't get it any other way this year then I think I'll be determined to pay just that $1200 (?600), it all depends on how much you want to see the rehearsals and I'd love to see it as you probably could tell earlier in this thread.  Not for some time I wont be paying that as it will take me a while to raise ?600.

It does exist, there is just maximum security distribution over it

there's no proof it exists. it's just *rumored* it could be in Universal Japan vaults, but no proof.

this guy is actually pretty smart. he knows that most gnr fans are stupid enough to pay that ridiculos amount of money for a rehearsal from 2002.

gnr sucked in 2002. i'd rather just buy a boot from 2006.

Sellers love your attitude, keep it up. You are doing nothing but beating the drum for a few more people to jump in and offer you money to help out.

Can't we all stick together at all with this?  This thread is turning into a thread where people go out of their way to get onto others instead of focusing more on the subject in question!!

not till u tell all the truth u want it to hoard as well till u get what u want.
so that makes u just as bad as the guy u want the dvd from no matter if he wants a grand or not

What is the subject in question? I thought it was how to get the rest of the footage, which to alot of us is not worth paying big money for.

Second of all what would you do with it once you got it? Would you immediately put on for everyone to enjoy or would you hord it ?

and if u lie i can put the chat up on what u said u would do with it

And what is the subject in question? The first post of this thread is a download link, which content is descripted on the title... ???

Well, I already downloaded the video, I already watched it and I already thanked the uploader... I also stated that I dont consider proper giving money (loads) to these parasytes.

You dont want people to say that we should not pay for it, do you?

and all you like to do is spend your life on here criticising other people about how they wanna live their life!  Maybe you should get one of your own

nice try dude we all are tring to tell u it is not worth 1200.00
and u do not wanna admit to the people here u told me straight out u wanted to hord it till u got your just due out of it is all

is this guy, the seller, just looking for cash or if there's anything really rare (gn'r) do u think he'll trade?

he wants Vegas 2001 show, that doesn't exist :hihi:

Yea Velvet1223 does NOT have vegas, thats the one he wants. Someone needs to tell him it doesn't exist seriously.

If i remember correctly he also has either a proshot clip of slane 92 with axl and bono doin heavens door, or he could have the whole thing im not sure. But ive seen screenshots of that as well.

i did hear johnm had vegas thats about it

^No, John DOES NOT have it! I've had this confirmed by him personally. It was a bullshit rumor started about him.

weird that, but I'm highly convinced someone does have it, rumour has it theres links to it in japan and so on

There's never been evidence that a recording of the show exists within the trading community.

Guaranteed it is not on any of the selling sites in japan. 

f it was listed on any site on the net we would of found it by now. There will always be fake advertisements or people pretending, they have all been checked.

that was in Wien 92. I had the clip but I lost it. nevermind :P