Here Today... Gone To Hell!

whos everyone going for?

i still have hope in the jets!!! GO NY JETS!!!

49ers!!! gotta cheer for Jeff Garcia

Miami Dolphins!!!!!!!!!!

I'm a raiders fan myself

Philadelphia Eagles

buffalo bills

raiders all the way

I've been a Broncos fan for the past 3 seasons (since Elway left). They have gradually been building the most solidly built roster in the NFL. Don't be surprised when the Broncos start obliterating every team in sight. This is their year!

if you say so mr. bronco

there's an understatement

I'm stuck with the Detroit Lions.......there's always next year ::)

It's been a really weird season, i think just about any team is still in it, i mean the first 3 weeks, the patriots were absolutely dominating, then they lose 4 games in a row [confused]raiders looked like the team to beat, now they are .500, rams started 0-5 and h ave now won 3 in a row!! looks like the only constant in the NFL these days is the hapless bengals!

Yeah I believe the patriots will be a force down the stretch if they get some consistency out of their backfield, im fucking pissed i had antwoin smith on my fantasy team all year, until i dropped him this week, and now he scores 3 td's and about 180 total yards!! but yeah id probably say that the dolphins, packers, and bucaneers are the frontrunners right now!! oh and michael vick is amazing!

Yeah I probably will because i dont think anyone else has picked him up and i could use more depth at RB, but yeah after the pats lost those 3 in a row, the dolphins looked good, but now i dont know, it seems like when the pats have there shit together they are a top tier team, so i think it will be very, very close in the afc east cause we all know that New England started out not so sharp out of the gates last year, but they picked it up, and they still are the team to beat!! oh but now that i think about it, with the new realignment, why are the dolphins still in the afc east? ha ha

they might as well just give Oakland the trophy now

i don't even know why they bother with a season and playoffs when it so obvious that they are going to win, oh well i guess that's part of the politics of sports

Miami Dolphins (can't wait until Fiedler comes back [ok])

Go Lions.....beat the Packers tomorrow  [ok]

Go KC.  [ok]

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My colts finally didn't suck!!!

they really rocked yesterday

James Mungro??? who woulda thunk it!

Raiders are clearly the strongest team in the league. so they had a couple bad weeks. theyre back and better than ever. they will win the superbowl

mark my words

You know I can bench 245, damn I'm strong! Sometimes I feel like just running on to the field and kicking one of those football players asses!

I'll be happy if anybody but the Patriots win this year.......

except that most of them bench over 400.... you might have a chance of kicking their asses; that is if you bring an army with you

thats right

E-A-G-L-E-S  EAGLES!!!!!!

FLY, EAGLES, FLY, ON THE ROAD TO VICOTRY.  FIGHT, EAGLES, FIGHT, SCORE A TOUCHDOWN 1-2-3.  HIT 'EM LOW, HIT 'EM HIGH, AND WE'LL WATCH OUR EAGLES FLY.  FLY EAGLES FLY, ON THE ROAD TO VICOTRY
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Donovan McNabb hurt!!!!!!!!!! [nervous]
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
 [crying] [help]

Did anyone see that hit Tampa Bay's Warren Sapp on Chad Clifton of Green Bay on Sunday? I think that was a cheap hit. What do you think?  ???  

yeah sapp really put a lick on that guy, not a very sportsman thing to do.  But, then again it is football so you have to understand that sometimes stuff like that is gonna happen.  I thought it was pretty cool that the coach and Sapp got into it at the end of the game.

on a better note MIKE VANDERJAGT ROCKS!!  2 50+ yard field goals to win the game for the colts Sunday night, looks like indy has their defense and their offense finally playing together!!

koy detmer steps in for donovan mcnabb and plays the game of his life....then he gets injured...hopefully the injury isnt to serious and he can come back in soon, but for then it will have to be A.J. Feely

tampa bay is the team to beat at the moment! [yes]

Can Feely do it?

Kansas City Chiefs won 49 to 0 today.  [hihi] Only if they could play all the games like that.

Yeah they are done after that great game. That game was cool. it had Brown making his 1,000th catch to join only Rice and Carter. Then on the next play Rice makes a 26yard catch for a TD and the lead in the game. It also gave him his 192nd TD and put him over 1,000 yards for a record 14 times.  :o  

I have a new idol.......haven't had one since Axl Rose.

MICHAEL VICK.  His overtime touchdown run was SPECTACULAR  [greedy]

HA HA!!! DAMN YOU K-ROCK!!! why must you rub it in?? considering my team is the vikings!! ahhh no... we had that game too...would have been a great upset too....fucking reminds me of 1998 when the vikings lost to the falcons in the nfc championship game!! god that was the worst day of my life!! gary anderson fucked up in both games too!!

Michael Vick has to be the most talented guy I've ever seen (in athletics that is), man that kid has so much potential it's not even funny, he has the arm of Peyton Manning and the legs of Barry Sanders!

On another note, my colts beat the offenseless houston texans sunday, for an expansion team they have a heck of a defense though.   The Colts are 8-4 and I think the #1 seed in the afc right now (I think they have the tiebreak over Oakland, not positive though)  tough game coming up at the Titans Sunday!

Kansas City bet St.Louis 49 to 10 on Sunday. KC is now 7 and 6. Maybe they can make the playoffs.  :D And thats the second game in a row they put up 49 points.  [beer]

I'm a huge Browns fan.  I like the Patriots too.

BTW, my lock of the week this week is Denver over KC.  The system I use has been 8 for 9 this year, and has won me a few bucks.  Using it, I correctly called TB over Atlanta and St. Louis over Oakland.   [beer]

The Kansas City Chiefs got bet 31-24 by the The Denver Broncos.  :'( They would have won if Priest Holmes did not get hurt. He had 161 yards in the game.  But it was a good game.

MIAMI DOLPHINS SUCK!!!!!!! [hihi]

The Kansas City Chiefs bet San Diego 24 to 22. They still might make the playoffs.  [beer]      

Eagles' Reid Named AP NFL Coach of Year

Andy Reid didn't flinch when his star quarterback was injured in November. And when the backup got hurt the next week, the Philadelphia Eagles' coach just turned to the third-stringer. The Eagles kept on winning, and Reid earned The Associated Press NFL Coach of the Year award Saturday.

Oakland Raiders!

This might be a good year for my team the Kansas City Chiefs.   :beer:  I'm pretty sure they will make the play off's this year. I hope.  ;)  

Actually I just changed my mind. forget the raiders they are done.

Lets Go FALCONS!!!!!

Hope Mike Vick gets back soon.

For those who didn't see it, they were down 19-27 with 1:20 left...onsides kick was recovered and they went down to the 30 yard line with 20 seconds left...
Everyone figured they'd spike it and they just fired a bullet for the 30 yard TD...I was on the top of the mountain when I saw that one.

THEN for the 2 point conversion to win the game he OVERTHROWS A WIDE OPEN Coles  

Poor Ramsey...the guy showed so much poise but just kinda choked on that point after attempt

Shoulda won this one....reminds me a lot of the Giants game a few weeks earlier  

I love the Tennessee Titans!!!!! :rofl:
Too bad they lost yesterday. :'(

Pittsburgh Steelers............

My Superbowl predictions as of right now:  Kansas City vs. Tampa Bay.  But there are a few teams to watch for: Minnesota, Seattle in the NFC and Tennessee in the AFC.

One more thought: NFL MVP:  I would say Steve McNair the QB of the Titans so far.

MIAMI DOLPHINS!!!

-EM  :beer:

mvp is either steve mcnair or my favorite nfl football player

MO FUCKIN RANDY MOSS!!!!!!!

vikes are 6-0 without moss they'd be 1-5 he is the best wide receiver on the planet!

The dam  Bengals bet my Chiefs today.  :( That would have been so cool if they had a  perfect record. The dam 72  Dolphins are safe for another year.  

My friend live in Kansas City and he called me on saturday and said that a local Harley Davidson dealer was having a special that anyone bought bikes on Saturday would receive get all their money back tax and all if the Chiefs went undefeated and won the Super Bowl.  My friend was really tempted to get one and hope.  Good thing that he didn't since they lost on Sunday,  Must have been alot of really upset KC fans on Monday..

What a Game!  I'm still in shock the Bengals beat the CHIEFS!!!!!!! :o
Anyway, GO TITANS!!!!!! :rofl:

That's pretty cool about that Harley Davidson dealer. I wonder how many poeple brought one.  :D Yeah i upset that they lost. But I think it's better they lost now then in the play-off's or the superblow. Maybe next year they can try for it again.  ;)

did anyone seen the fuckin redskins get cheated sunday?

that dude clearly was not in the end zone which shouldve been a fumble and washington ball

it is very clear the ball didnt clear the goal line

how bout keyshawn johnson getting  deactivated by the bucs?

he is the most overpaid over hyped wide receiver on the planet he is slow and doesnt produce

 :hihi:  I can't believe he's still getting paid though.  I mean, it's normal and everything, but it just pisses me off.

Dude, I'm a Vikings fan and let me tell you, the last four weeks have been rough.  Hopefully I'll be going to the game on Sunday.. if they don't win and the Packers do, I will probably have to kill my roommate (who is a Packers fan and also an idiot)

hey  loretian the vikings are my fav team also!!!!!

have u noticed how we've been in the shitter since the stupid owner ran his mouth off in the locker room over 1 damn loss?

we havent been the same since however we gave the game to the raiders, culpepper scored 14 points for the raiders the int. and the fumble recovered on the 1

if we take care of the football we win, also what the fuck is up with our run defense? we've been giving up college type statistics on the ground, its truly embarrassing

since culpepper and micheal bennett have returned we havent won shit, stick with moe williams use bennett as a change of pace and if culpepper can take care of the ball we should win, we have a sort of easy road coming so we should be able to win the division, favre is hurt and the 49ers will beat the packers, surely to God we wont lose to the fucking Lions or ill kill myself with u! :hihi:

Hey man, that's awesome.. just out of curiosity, why are you Vikings fan?  I looked at your profile and you're not from MN... I'm just wondering because usually when I talk to people out of state, they all hate the Vikings....

I like Red as an owner, but he does too many stupid things without thinking, like running his mouth off in the locker room after that game.   I wish he'd show more support for Tice, too.  Denny Green was a decent coach, but Red backed him all the way, for the most part.

Our defense needs to stop sucking!!!  I don't know that much about football actually, but yeah.. we hardly ever can stop drives now.  It's pathetic.  It's like last year!!!!  [puke]

I like Bennett, I think he's looked pretty good the past few games, despite our losses, but I agree, definitely keep him and Moe Williams both in the game, they're both good players.  

Hey, if you see someone at the game wearing a Gn'R shirt, drunk off his ass, with long brown hair (my avatar pic is several years old), that's me!!  Also, you should check out http://www.vikesfan.com (http://www.vikesfan.com)  It's a website that the company I work for developed and it has free e-mail and you can also win Vikings tickets.

minnesota prince is from minnesota

i love minnesota i love thepurple of course thats my fav color

but i became a fan because i love randy moss, he is my fav player and they have moe williams who played for who? thats right Kentucky

i started liking them much for the same reasons i love the dallas mavericks they were and are entertaining to watch

the play a high paced style of football which i love and i like not only moss, but culpepper,hovan corey chavious

im from kentucky the basketball capital of the world and we dont have a fucking NBA or any pro team, thats unbelievable!

so when u are from Kentucky and have zero sports teams u support the shit out of the big blue but u are a free agent when it comes to pro sports

Detroit Lions is where we make the turnaround we lead the packers by one game, theyw ill lose to the 49ers we will beat the lions and that will open up a 2 game advantage

im gonna check out that vikes website sounds awesome

if the game comes on where i live *we mostly get regional action which sucks* ill look for a gnr shirt and a drunk guy

lol!

prince in the hall of fame! fuck yeah!

Woohoo!  Well, I didn't actually get to make it to the game today, but fuck yeah!  Awesome...  Our defense finally stepped it up, too bad our offense wasn't doing the same.   Oh well, a win is a win, we're still one game ahead of the Packers!

That sucks you have no pro teams in Kentucky.. but then again, you really can pick the teams you want to support (not that you couldn't anyway, but there's no obligation or pressure to support the home team).

What do you think of the Packers schedule for the rest of the season?  It doesn't look like it'll be too much trouble for them...

Also, yeah, rock on, Prince is awesome!  I've never even heard his recorded music (I know... it's just never on the radio and I never bought his albums) but I saw him headline at the Mill City Music Festival a few years ago, had no idea what to expect, didn't reconize any of the songs, but was still blown away by his performance and the whole show.

PACKERS ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!  FARV-RA IS THE MAN!!

As a Vikings fan, all I can say... err, scream rather is FUCK!  FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK COCK BALLS FUCK!!!!  GOD MOTHERFUCKING DAMNIT!  WHAT THE FUCK!

All you Packers fans can lick my balls.   Seriously, you're welcome to them.   : ok:

i am absolutely speechless

how the fuck did they blow a game to the fucking shitty cardinals?

it just isnt right

oakland, san diego, chicago,arizona, giants, are u fuckin kiddin me? one win over any of these shit teams and we'd be in the playoffs! fuck

go cowboys!!!!!! i predict the eagles vs titans in the superbowl

lets get some predictions from everyone else!

Now that my 49'ers are out of it I don't really care who wins -

That is, as long as it ain't the Cowboys (I hate 'em)  :rant:

Or the Rams (because then I'll be out some money)  :P

I'll play it safe and say the Patriots are gonna take it.

 :peace: :peace: DOLPHINS RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :beer: :beer: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 :peace:

hopefully the eagles knock off the pack tomorrow. anyone going to the game? i'll be there. i can't wait.

a high of 27 tomorrow...proabably around 20 by the time the game starts. lots of layers and lots of alcohol  :beer:

any thoughts on who will win? alot of eagles fans are really nervous. i think we'll pull it out though.

I really fuckin' hope the Eagles win.  I think they stand a really good chance against the Packers, but the Packers have gotten lucky more than once this season.  We'll see.  Fuck them, I hope the Packers get shut out.

Go Eagles!!

the eagles have zero home field advantage tomorrrow

cold weather? shit doesnt get much colder than green bay

green bay wouldve beat philly on monday night football if favre couldve held on to the fuckin football

my picks

tennessee over new england
indy over kc
st louis over carolina
philly over gb but close

tennessee over indy
philly over st louis

tennessee beats philly in superbowl

my predictions

anyone elses?

Tennessee lost.  I hate the Patriots :rant:

My Rams lost, but the Panthers did deserve the victory, so I am satisfied.

Tomorrow, I want Green Bay to win.  I want Green bay to win the whole thing.  I hate Philadelphia.  I hate the Eagles, I hate McNabb (most overrated quarterback ever).  

The KC/Indy game is going to be a shootout.  Indy is a good team with a great offense, but KC is the loudest place to play in the league.  If KC strikes hard and fast, and scores a lot, they still don't have a huge advantage because Peyton Manning can throw, and score touchdowns.  Indy doesn't need to run the ball.  

I honestly don't know who will win.  Indy, if they played like last week(perfect) will win the game.  

KC has defensive problems.  However, if they can keep driving up the field with their offense, and if they can keep scoring, they will obviously be able to win.

But in this game, if there is a lead by either team, don't think anything.  Anyone can come back and win this game at any time.

I hate you.....

did you realize Rush Limbaugh said the same exact thing about mcnabb being overrated early on in the season?   He retired the next week after that statement because mcnabb had an incredible game

after watching this game tonight, you can not say anything about mcnabb being overrated.  he was just about the eagles entire offense in this game tonight vs. the pack.  he had incredible runs and one of the greatest passes on 4th and 26 to keep the game alive and send it into overtime...

eagles to the superbowl after next week!!

FLY, EAGLES, FLY

E-A-G-L-E-S-EAGLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mike sherman pulled a pussy assed mike martz and fuckin punted on 4th and 1

they were kickin philly's ass all night runnin the football, hand the fuckin thing to ahman green he gets one yard the game is over

4th and 26th, fuckin ridiculous
packers choked so hard

4th and goal kick the fuckin field goal

this loss is on the coaching staff

yup.  Punting was the dumbest move they could make.  That lost the game for them.

Did you notice that the game was played in Philly and they played GNR.  I guess Philly doesn't hate them afterall.  ;)

Oh, that's right!  I didn't even think about that.... awesome!!  They played a lot more of WTTJ than I usually hear at the metrodome in Minneapolis too.  Usually it cuts out right before Axl starts singing.

I was  :o when I heard that. I thought they would not play them any more. It was cool to heard them played live in a big game like that and in Philly.

I think it's going to be New England and Philadelphia in the Super Bowl.  I don't care who makes it since my team has to wait for next year again.  :(  

i was at the eagles-pack game last week....greatest sporting event i've ever been to.

punting was the right move by sherman. after that, they had the eagles at 4th and 26!! so obviously sherman put the pack in a position to win the game.

but mcnabbulous was fabulous! he couldn't be denied!

i'm going tomorrow too. i can't fuckin wait. i'm so nervous and excited i can't even sleep. i can't think about anything else.

they always play gnr at all philly sporting events. and WTTJ is the song that gets the crowd into it the most.

It's going to be New England and  Carolina in  Super Bowl XXXVIII at Reliant Stadium, Houston on Sunday February 1st at  6:25 p.m.  on (CBS).  

It should be a good game. I like to see Carolina win.  : ok:  

Axl should be the one singing the National Anthem at the superbowl..........great way to make his debut 8)

I am going for the Patriots :D

The Panthers really surprised me tonight, however, they will need a miracle to beat New England.

what a shitty superbowl

low ratings

go carolina

I agree with the low ratings.  But I have to say I think it will be a good game, the 7 point spread is a little generous for New England.  But I don't think anyone really thought these 2 teams would be in the Super Bowl, outside of the New England area and the Carolinas.  I love the parody of the NFL.  I think the haltime show is lame and the commercials have been getting worse in the last few years.  I hope Carolina wins, but I am predicting a New England victory 20-14.  But who cares the Steelers aren't in it.  :beer:

Carolina surprised me too.

I haven't been following the Patriots very much this year, but I think Carolina has a decent shot.  They made it this far, they've got more in them than a lot of people gave them credit for earlier in the season, I think.

I think this Superbowl is not as exciting as most people would like it to be because people don't know these teams very well.  Most of the national broadcasted games are those that the teams have superstars on and well known players.  Since these teams are more team orientated ( not a lot of stand out players) they don't get the coverage they deserve.  Everybody thinks that New England is going to win but if you remember two years ago when they faced St. Louis, everyone was like who are these guys?  They don't stand a chance.  Well, I think we all saw what happened then didn't we?  So don't count out Carolina at all.  My pick however is New England, but I expect a vey close game, possible overtime.  

i have to say im very uninterested in this game

lord 2 weeks of boring hype by the sports media is driving me bonkers

there isnt one interesting player in this whole game but "he hate me" and he isnt that interesting

i wish the game was this sunday to ge tthis shit over with

im gonna watch but i have low expectations, much like the horribly savagely brutal ny giants vs baltimore ravens superbowl a few years ago

this superbowl sucks!

I also think the ratings will be low. I like to see Carolina win.  : ok: You know what have been a great game and very hig ratings I bet if KC made it to the Superbowl and still won every game. It would have been cool to see them and the Rams.  :beer: That would have been one of the best Superbowls in the last few years.  : ok: Maybe next year my team can make it all the way.  :)  

Carolina has heart but I don't think it will be near enough to beat New England.

The line opened up at 6 1/2, but it's at 7 points now.  I don't think I have to say who the favorite is.

The over/under is 37 1/2

I predict that Patriots will win 37-20.

Half time report from the superbowl:

Patriots 14 : 10 Panthers

First quarter sucked ass, as is kid rock right now  :no:

I think people haven't given the panthers enough credit, I thought they could win it before, and I still do.

@#$%Muther (people from the UK do actually understand the game  :P)

Final

Patriots 32 Panthers 29.

I think it was not that bad of a game. I though the Panthers were going to win for a minute.  :)

why do teams become so unaggressive defensively at the end of games?

u have one of the best defenses in the league and new england just went down the field with ease

carolina blew a golden opportunity, they shouldve kicked the extrap oints instead of goin for 2

Well, the game was actually pretty good, once they started scoring some points.  The end was a lot more exciting than I expected, anyway.

The half-time show was such a joke.  Wasn't there supposed to be a surprise appearance by someone too?  Someone besides Janet Jackson's breast?

lip synching fuckin sucks cock

they should outlaw that, i mean milli vanilli got shamed cause of it, now everyone fuckin does it which is such shit!

Broncos, Redskins discuss Portis-for-Bailey swap
 
The Denver Broncos are discussing a trade that would send running back Clinton Portis to Washington for cornerback Champ Bailey, a swap of two Pro Bowlers upset with their contracts, a source said Monday.

In giving up Portis for Bailey, Denver also would receive Washington's second-round selection in the April draft, the NFL source told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity.

Vinny Cerrato, Washington's player personnel director, said at the NFL scouting combine in Indianapolis: ``We are talking to a number of teams and Denver is one of the teams.'' He wouldn't name the players.

Jack Reale, Bailey's agent, said the Redskins have talked with several teams, including Detroit, the New York Jets, Houston, Chicago and Arizona.

``We have had preliminary discussions with the Broncos and with other teams as well, just on the broad outlines of a contract,'' Reale said. ``I can't go into detail until I know what team we're going to be dealing with.''

The negotiations with Portis were first reported in The Denver Post.

The Redskins have protected Bailey, who can become a free agent on March 3, by designating him their franchise player. That means the Redskins must make him a one-year, $6.8 million tender, the average of the top five players at his position.

Portis has two years remaining on the contract he signed as a second-round draft pick in 2002. Displeased with the $300,000 he made last season, he has hinted he might be a holdout when training camp starts unless the Broncos rework his deal.

The deal would make sense because the Redskins went last season without an every-down running back, a must in the offensive system favored by new coach Joe Gibbs. Portis ran for 1,591 yards last year despite missing three games with chest and ankle injuries.

Portis' agent, Drew Rosenhaus, declined comment and the Broncos did not return a call seeking comment.

AP Sports Writer Joseph White contributed to this story.

Source: Yahoo News

That would be a good trade for denver, they recieve an awesome corner and a second round pick.  I know that Portis is good but look who there running backs have been the past few years.  They can put anybody in that system and they will produce 1500+ 10+ TD's.  This will also be a good deal for washington too.  They will get a guy that will replace Davis, and its the type of back that they want.  

its to risky, yeah theyve been successful having 4 1,000 yard backs in terrell davis,mike anderson,olandis gary and now portis, corners do have longer productive careers, it just depends on if they can get a back, that formula and the offensive line system has worked but its still a gamble in my opinion

Back when i became a Patriots fan in the early 90s people gave me shit cuz they sucked so bad, they were the joke if the NFL. Now more than 10 years later everyone hates on em cuz they are so fucking good.  :rofl:  Its great! Now with Ty Law staying and Corey Dillon on the team they have to be the AFC Preseason favorites. They lost a few lineman but they should be fine, they have the best coach, the best Postseason QB, and the best clutch kicker in the NFL. Preseason favorites have to be the Patriots and Eagles for Super Bowl XXIX. Most people are prob gonna pick against the Pats though, they always do. Most of the so called "experts" picked them to lose to Indy in the AFC Champ. many picked them to lose to the Titans. So keep picking against em  :smoking:

Can't Freaking wait until football season starts back!!!!!!!!!! Damn, Sundays and Mondays just aren't the same.  Monday Night Football is what made Mondays tolerable.  :beer:

Old man Emmitt isn't ready for the rockin' chair yet.

Emmitt Smith earned another NFL record with his 77th 100-yard rushing game -- and threw the first pass of his 15-year pro career. It went for a touchdown, no less, in Arizona's stunning 34-10 beating of the New Orleans Saints on Sunday.

The NFL's career rushing leader had his best game since leaving Dallas two years ago, gaining 127 yards on 21 carries to help give Dennis Green his first victory as Cardinals coach.

Smith, six months past his 35th birthday, tied Walter Payton's record for most 100-yard games in an NFL career.

``It means more to win right now than anything,'' said Smith, who has seen the Cardinals go 5-15 since he signed with them as a free agent before the 2003 season.

It was his first 100-yard game since Thanksgiving 2002, when he did it for Dallas against Washington.

Source: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap;_ylc=X3oDMTBpbmdmam0wBF9TAzI1NjY0ODI1BHNlYwN0bQ--?gid=20041003022

Happy to see him have another big game since it's been awhile since his last one. Also to see him tie a record that I'm sure he will get befor it's all done. 

Wow - that new QB for Steelers is turning the team around!  :yes:

Steelers have been very good, id have to say the Patriots are still the team to beat though. Steelers beat them without some of their best players, and we all know New England plays great in the postseason. Did you hear they are talking about taking monday night football off the air >:( i guess they are losing money on it. that would really suck :-\

No way are the Pats still the team to beat. After we beat the Pats, THEN crushed the Eagles we solidified our spot as the team to beat in the NFL. Ben Roethlisburger is the man!

no, Patriots are still the team to beat because they have proven they can win in the postseason. steelers are doing very well right now but come jan the patriots will be on top again

Steelers beat Buffalo last weekend with their 2nd and 3rd string players in!  :hihi:

I'm hoping the Colts and Packers will both win today. :yes:

should be good games this weekend, im gonna take all the home teams, but all by 10 or less

I'm hoping Atlanta, Indianapolis, N.Y. Jets, and Minnesota advance this weekend.

No, no, no - for one thing, the Jets are going down.  :yes: ;D

steelers despite outplaying the jets got really fucking lucky this week. rothlisburger did everything he could to lose the game and the jets still didnt win. the other games were one sided, rams got murdered by the falcons, eagles rolled over the viks, and the pats bitch slapped the "unstoppable" colts, who only scored 3 points.

Phew on the Steelers game!   Although they seemed to be lucky, the 2 touchdowns that the Jets made were pretty freaky plays - a punt return and an interception return.

(Sorry, just thinking out loud here...)

Philidelphia will beat Atlanta for the NFC Championship.? That's not even a question. The Eagles are the better team, have more recent playoff experience, and homefield advantage.? Hell, the Eagles would likely beat the Falcons in Atlanta.? Winning in Philly will be no problem, even without Owens.

The AFC Championship is obviously a tougher call.? If it were in New England, it would definitely be a win for the Patriots.? No one can beat them at home.? But it's in Pittsburgh.? So the Steelers have homefield advantage due to the better record this year, including beating the Patriots once.? But New England remains all around the better team.? And once again they have more recent playoff experience.? It really could go either way with this game.

So, in my opinion, it's gonna be the Eagles against either the Patriots or Steelers in the big game.? Ironically, while both of the latter teams are stronger this year than Philidelphia, I think the Eagles could beat the Steelers in the Superbowl.? But I don't think they could beat the Patriots.? So if it's the Eagles and the Patriots in the Superbowl, Patriots win.? If it's the Eagles and the Steelers, it could go either way.? ?

Almost time to call my bookie... :peace:

I'm hoping the Falcons will be NFC Champions after Sunday.

You like the underdogs, don't ya?  ;)

(Admittedly my first question is what is a chick doin' here in the sports section?? But I digress...)? ;D

Underdogs?? Now unless you're a Falcons fan, in which case you can be excused for blind faith to your team, what the hell are you talking about??

Keeping in mind I'm not even a Philly-fan, the Eagles are definitely the favorite for the NFC Chamionship.

Why?

Better team, better record, home-field advantage, more recent playoff experience, etc. etc. etc.

Don't feel bad hon, you just got in over your head on this one.? : ok:

What do you mean I'm in over my head?  You didn't disagree with me.  ;)

Who cares if I'm a chick?  Does that mean I can't be into sports?  I happen to hate girly stuff and love hanging with the guys.  ;D

I have 2 sons that both play hockey, baseball, soccer and football, so I watch A LOT of sports! : ok:

What the hell?

I could have sworn Drew said he was rooting for the Eagles!

Well don't I look like a complete ass.? :-[

The Dude will now go stand in the corner with his nose to the wall...

Yes I do. ;D

just like i said a few months ago about how the patriots were still the team to beat, even after the steelers won that game in october, cuz of their ability to win in the playoffs. they got way a head of the steelers early, and the steelers did fight to come back but the pats had a great drive to put the knife in em. rothlisburger looked awful in both posteason games. so to all the colts fans and steelers fans who talked all kinds of shit about how they were gonna beat the patriots....LOOK WHAT WE DID TO YOU IN THE PLAYOFFS AGAIN!!!!!!!!!

So it's the Eagles and the Patriots...

Both teams could be said to "deserve" to win this one.

But I guess I'm rootin' for Philly.  New England is obviously the better team and is currently the favorite by 7 points.  But they've had it 3 out of the last 4 years.  I'd like to see the Eagles get at least one Superbowl win under their belt.

 :hihi:  No problem.  I'm sure you were just shocked that you were agreeing with a chick in the sports section!  :P

I'm going to have to agree with you now...  I don't want to see NE win even though they are favored :no:...I'm for Philly all the way!  Go Donovan!!  Didn't I hear that Owens is going to play?

The Eagles have been saying that Owens playing is a "possibility."

You could tell during the Atlanta game that T.O. really wanted to get back out on the field.  And I'm sure that desire is even greater now that Philly is in the Superbowl.

Bottom line, however, the guy still has a bum leg right now.  So even if he does play, how big of a factor can he be?

Especially against a defense like New England's?

I hate to sound like a "homer", but I have to.

I just don't see how Philly can even hope to keep this game close. Sure "On any given sunday any team can win", but the Patriots have proven that the can stop the top Passing Offense in football, they can stop a top three rushing offense, as well as put up 40+ points on one of the best defenses in the game. What does Philly bring to the table that Indy and Pittsburgh didn't? Nothing, infact I think they are going to be far to distracted by the TO circus leading up to the game, not to mention the pressure of them finally making it out of the NFC championship game. What happens if they go back to Philly without the Lombardi Trophy....?

That is a pretty large cloud to play under.

In my estimation all New England has to do is shut down Westbrook (which Belichick has two weeks to put that game plan together) and the Eagles will be left running in place watching the Patriots score climb on the scoreboard.

The cap to the Patriots 3 title Dynasty will be a blowout of historical Proportions. Much like 49ers-Broncos  Cowboys-Bills  Bears-Pats.

I think this game might get so out of hand that Donovans Mother might want to re-think handing out Chunky Soup on the Sidelines, because Rodney Harrison might run out of Eagles to layout on the field......... and she looks like a pretty good target

His leg looked fine last week as he jumped up and down on the bench throughout the game. ?:P

I'm looking forward to a great game though - hopefully not a blow out either way. ?:beer: ?<------- I'm going for the beer. ?:P :hihi:

Good one on the Chunky Soup, COma!  :rofl:  I hope Donovan doesn't get crushed.

I guess it depends on what your definition of "fine" is.

Yeah Owens' leg is fine enough to jump up and down on, waiving a towel from the sidelines.  But that is a far cry from playing full on, full contact, Superbowl-level of play football against the best team in the NFL.

I hope he is able to play, but even if he does, I expect they'll use him sparingly.  Philly will need whatever Owens can do, and a lot more, to at least make it a game and not get absolutely slaughtered.

Sorry, but I'll be rooting against these guys on Sunday...

Both teams "deserve" to win but I think it's Philly's turn.

(Granted it would be a fairly big upset)

you and everyone thats not a pats, cowboys or giants fan. when i was a pats fan as a kid i was laughed at cuz they were the doormat of the nfl, now everyone hates me cuz they are so good

I'm a giants and steelers fan, but I'm rooting for Philly too!  : ok:

I love the logic that both teams deserve to win.... but Philly should get to win one......

If Philly was good they would have won one by now.

They get blown up because they play in a depleted NFC and happen to have the best regular season record over the last four years (because they play in a depleted NFC)

New England just managed to THUMP two of the top three teams in the NFL (New England being the third) in consecutive weeks, while Philly managed to beat two very one dementional  Dome teams outside at Phillly (just opened up myself to hear about the unfair advantage New England has had against Indy).

A little Stat for you:

The AFC's playoff-bound teams were 21-3 against NFC opponents. The NFC's postseason teams had an 11-13 record against AFC teams.  (USAToday.com)

also when the smoked pitt half the team had the flu, brady had a temp of 103 and needed an IV after the game. the patriots have more heart than anyone comes close to

Oh I readily admit my reasons for wanting the Eagles to win are a tad...illogical. 

Your point is that technically speaking, bottom line, at the end of the day, etc. the best team should win right?

Well it's obvious the "best" team in the NFL right now is the Patriots.  Which is why they are the favorite. 

But being as I'm not a fan of either team, it's easier for me to pick and choose.  (I'm a *cough* 49'ers fan  :-[ :-X :'()

And I choose to root for Philly... :peace:

I guess that's how you chose your name.  :P :hihi:

You are absolutely right.  If everyone rooted for the best team technically speaking, what fun would it be?  Kinda like when the Cowboys were on top and suddenly everyone was a Cowboy fan.  ::)

I also choose to root for Philly - it's awesome when the underdog wins!  : ok:

Yeah, it's just sports (I can't believe I really said that? :confused:) but one of my personal pet-peeves is when someone just picks their favorite team "out of the air."? ?:no:

For example, I've got a buddy who's favorite NFL team is the Carolina Panthers.? Why?? Beats the hell outa me.? He's never lived in Carolina, he'll never go to Carolina, he doesn't know anyone there, and he lives 2,500 miles away!? "Well, I like their colors" he says.? What a woman.? ::)

Then I've got a couple of step-brothers who are Minnesota fans.? All of the same things listed above apply to them.? Why do they like them?? One of 'em had a Vikings shirt when he was ten or so.? And now they are fans for life!? :P

I live in a state where there is no pro-football team so we have to have a little "flexibility" here.? But hell, at least have some decent reasons why you root for whoever you do.? And you damn well better stay loyal.? No hopping from this team to that team, from one bandwagon to the other, depending on whoever happens to be hot that year.? :rant:

I've got my own reasons for being a San Francisco 49'ers fan, and I remain a 49'ers fan, even though their glory days are currently a thing of the past and they ended on an absolutely pathetic 2-12 record.? ?:'(  Personally I think it's a sign of the Apocalypse but that's another story.

On a side note, the two teams that I absolutely CANNOT stand are the Dallas Cowboys and the Oakland Raiders.? Every season I pray that the whole Dallas franchise will be wiped out in a plane crash.? And Raiders fans?? While I know Axl might be one, don't even get me started on the rest of 'em...?? :-X

Hey, watch in on that comment!  >:(  I don't like teams for their colors.  ::)

I never understood why people like teams that are far away from them either.  :-\  I used to live near Pittsburgh and now I live in NY thus my reason for being a steelers and Giants fan.  Yes, I said Giants.  Their day will come!  : ok:

  I absolute HATE the Cowboys too and I always root for whoever is playing them!  :yes:

Super Bowl XXXIX Pick:

Patriots 27 Eagles 20

MVP: Brady

Patriots: 38

Eagles: 10

MVP: Tedy Bruschi

Eagles: 24


Patriots: 20


MVP: Donovan McNabb

some things u patriot fans are overlooking

NE hasnt played a QB like Donovan Mcnabb
second Westbrook was hurt last year which is why Philly lost to carolina


Philadelphia has a defense that will be able to get to Brady

they have the Defensive backs to shut down the receivers

Pitt has a good Defense but Roethlisberger lost that game by throwing those picks.

Mcnabb is a 10 time better QB than Roethlisberger.

when they do all that help coverage and sit back in there zones, Mcnabb will burn them with his feet

reason they beat Indy was cause they made Manning turn into a mobile QB, manning sucks on the run

they would drop 7 to 8 sometimes 9 in coverage on roethlisberger and he made poor decisions

MCnabb, if they drop that many in coverage will run for over a 100 yards.

the philly D will be the toughest NE has faced *yes even tougher than pittsburghs cause philly has the Defensive backs that pitt dont have.

close game philly wins 19-13

watch and see!

I think the Eagles will win 57 - 29

i really am starting to believe u have been sniffing glue in the parking lot :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

by the way who is gonna hit the most homeruns? :hihi:

you relize that the pats gameplan doesnt remane the same every week right? they change it based on who they are playing, and belichick is a master at finding and exposing a teams weakness. and westbrook has not gone against LB as good as the patriots have, so they will be able to contain him. mcnabb has to have a huge game for the eagles to win. the patriots make so few mistakes....they smoked indy, and then killed the steelers in pitt. while the eagles beat the 8-8 vikings, and a one dementional atlanta offense. the patriots played in a strong afc while the eagles walked threw a weak nfc, esp a weak nfc east. i do agree with a lot of the things you said though, and thats why i expect a good game.

So Roethlisberger gave up 41 points?
The Defense in Pittsburgh is run by Roethlisberger?
granted he turned the ball over (NE caused turn overs) but he didnt stay on the field for the drubbbing that Pitts D took

By the way Pitts D is much better than Philly's
I would also go out on a limb and say that as a whole Indys D sucks but their DLine is better than Philly's.... I dont seem to remember Indy getting to Brady too often.

Speaking of Philly's D, how do they plan on stopping Corey Dillon?? They didn't seem to Stop a Pittsburg running attack earlier this year that didn't have Duece. They gave up over 200 yards without Duece Staley


Now are you acctually compairing Phillys Offense to Indy's??
McNabb doesnt compare to Manning, Westbrook Doesn't compare to James, and Philly's WR's don't compare to Indy's WR's
McNabb will also have a hard time running against NE's Zone. Their LB's will be squared to the line of scrimmage all game so they will see when he makes a move for the corner and will shut that down.


Just a note to add to my prior post of NE 38, Philly 10  (Philly's 10 points will all be scored on Special Teams (Westbrook Return and Akers FG) they will not put up an offensive score.

Well, I think the Patriots will score a lot of goals in the beginning, but in the end, the Eagles will have the most homeruns. I just hope my favorite player doesn't get five for fighting.

Who are you rooting for D? Because I want the opposite team to win.  ;)

every team NE beat in the playoffs were flawed

Indy's Defense was horrible, Peyton Manning choked, thats the ony excuse i have, Manning is a pocket passer and theydid a great job making him move outside the pocket

Mcnabb can throw on the run and in the pocket, he is the most versatile QB New England has faced.

Philly has 3 pro bowlers in the defensive secondary and one of the greatest Defensive coordinators in the game *jim johnson*

38-10 is ridiculous

Pittsburgh have better Linebackers *although Trotter is one of the best in the game but pitt dont have great DB's

indy and pitt couldnt get pressure on Brady because theydidnt have the secondary to play man coverage
philly has that ability

they can blitz 7 guys and still have the talent to cover the receivers.

Atlanta had one of the better Defenses in football and Mcnabb has no troubles

regular season is meaningless, so what? Pitt also drilled NE in the regular season but look what happened?

Pittsburgh had chances but they kicked that FG on 4th and goal instead of goin for the TD and Roethlisberger threw that pick to harrison that came back for a TD

they beat an INdy team with a horrible defense, the beat Pitt with a rookie QB

Philly is the most complete team NE will play this year

if T.O. is healthy philly will win

with T.O. and the depleted NE secondary, Rodney Harrison will have to help out Samuel.
what this does is it places a slower LB or Safety on Westrbrook and a LB or safety wont be fast enough to cover him.

It also doesnt allow NE to spy Mcnabb who will be able to keep drives alive with his legs.
anyone expecting a blowout are gonna be in for a rude awakening.

both of these teams have an equal chance in myopinion and it will go down to the last possession.

Are you talking about hockey, baseball or football?  :confused: :hihi:

Eagles:17
Patriots: 14

Go Pats!

I expect this to be the toughest game for both teams. these teams did see each other in the preseason but i dont make much of that. the patriots have not seen a qb like mcnabb this year, who can beat you with his legs as well as his arm. they have a tough D that is gonna be psychial with the pats, who love to push teams around. however they are kinda small up front and with a big tough back like dillon for the pats he could have a big game, they wont be able the stake upfront like they did against one dimentional atlanta, if they do the pats will burn them in the air. the weakness with the eagles has to be the recievers, other than TO who prob wont be 100% they dont have much to worry about, they will hit those guys all day long, and prob try and make philly run. mcnabb is gonna have to make some big plays in this game if they are gonna win, like scramble for a 1st on 3rd and 10. stuff like that. westbrook is gonna be a key for the eagles to win as well, but the pats LBs are so good he will prob be contained. th eagles D can prob get in bradys face and force him into mistakes, and that is another key the eagles need to win. the patroits can win this game in basically any fasion, cuz they cant beat you in any way, low scoring high scoring throwing running defense special teams.....as long as they play well and dont turn it over its gonna be really hard for the eagles to win. if philly turns the ball over a few times they are gonna get killed, and bellichick is an expert and finding and exploiting a teams weakness.


Patriots 27 Eagles 20

MVP: Brady
 
 

haha-? I'll take that cuzzz I've been waiting for this game for a long time!!

31-21 is my prediction whoever wins.? Will be interesting to see how much Heat McNabb can take in the the throwing game.?

 :peace:  Peace I'm out! -BP

Just for the record, I'd like to restate that I'm a 49'ers fan.  Hence, I really don't have a favorite when it comes to the Patriots or Eagles.  That said, I'm rooting for Philly and - admittedly against the odds - I think they'll pull away with a close win.

31-21 is a realistic outcome but, as you say you've been waiting for this game for a long time, who are you going for?

i'm a die hard birds fan from philly. i'm so nervous right now i can't even think. thought i was gonna have a heart attack about an hour ago.

i think alot of people don't realize how good this eagles team is. the defense is much improved and should give the pats some trouble.

and westbrook is one of the most dangerous threats in the league.

two great teams. could go either way. i've been waiting most of my life for another philly team to win a title. since this is philly we're talking about, i'm sure the pats will win.

24-21 Patriots the winner. I thought it was a good exciting game but also there were a lot of mistakes, esp early. i have not seen the pats make that many mistakes in a 1st qtr very often the last few years. but it was a close entertaining game throughout. McNabb made a few too many mistakes, and when you have 4 TOs against the pats you are gonna lose. I have to admit i didnt think TO was gonna be as big of a factor as he was, i thought he would make a few plays but he kept them in the game. The Eagles were unable to run the ball and when that happened i thought they were in trouble. Patriots are a dynasty now 3 SB wins in 4 years, only the 2nd team, and 1st afc team, to ever do that. I think the 3 SBs the patroits have won are prob the 3 best SBs i have seen, those have been great as well as SB 32 and 25

Terrell Owens has shut reporters up for good

he was awesome

when mcnabb threw that pic and the penalty reversed it and then he got picked again something inside told me that would come back to haunt them in the end

had they just got a FG outta that it wouldve been tied at the end

Philly played great

NE gets all the credit in the world they are a masterpiece of a fuckin team

unbelievable

Tom Brady is easily the best QB in the league and id take Mcnabb over manning.

opps ....    I went to a friends house. but I got 1 number right.  I didn't want to say that "but the eagles are going to loose when McNabb cracks" I get very superstitious & didn't think the Eagles were going to win, I wasn't even excited about the game. The end of the game was very strange. anyway,   I added a TD to your 24 & that's how I got my 31. Nice call on your part!!!

-BP

"Had" Brady not fumbled in the Red Zone on the botched Play Action and they scored the game would have been out of reach

"Had" Eugene Wilson not broken his arm, there is a good chance that Philly doesn't score its last two touchdowns and it is 24-7 (31-7 if you add a touchdown when Brady fumbled)


I learned a few things durring that game:

1. T.O. is a true freak of nature, anyone who realisticly thought he would comeback from that injury and play the way he did in that short a time frame is kidding themselves (or is a Philly Fanatic).

2. McNabb isn't half the quarterback he is made out to be. He threw 51 passes and 7 of them were what I would consider accurate, and all he did was turn the ball over. Christ, he fumbled on the first play from scrimage inside his own thirty (luckily for the eagles it was overturned (correctly)) and what happened to him taking the game over with his feet??

3. Andy Ried is the most overrated coach in the league. How do you take over with 85 Yards to cover in 5 minutes and piss the clock down under 2 minutes. The whole time working out of a huddle and letting your team walk to the line. He had them playing like they were trying to conserver a lead.

LOL - very true.  Everyone laughed at me when I said that he was ready because he jumped up and down the entire previous game on the bench.  :P


McNabb had no time at all.  Brady had all the time in the world to look around and decide what to do and he still made mistakes.  When McNabb was given some time, he made beautiful plays - like the pass for the last Philly TD.


I agree with that.  I was flipping out because they were strolling around like they had all damn day!  :rant:

yeah i was cussing more than few times screaming "u are down 10 u stupid bastards"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



some thing Philly needs

1. gotta have a true Running back? throwing the football 51 times is ridiculous, Westbrook isnt a true runner in the corey dillon,jamal lewis sense of the word, he is more like trung candidate with a little more skill. they need a true RB to mix things up.



to clear things up about Donovan Mcnabb and u all tell me how ridiculous this is

he came out a week or two ago and said that he wanted to be known as a pocket passer and wanted to destroy the stereotype that black QB's are running QB's

i started a thread over at espnvideogames.com and stated

Mcnabb would rather shed stereotype than win superbowl


its true, if he had used his feet i thought before and i still believe now they wouldve won the superbowl.

he was way too inconsistent *of course give NE the credit there*

some plays he looked like john elway others he looked like Ryan Leaf


Rodney Harrison shouldve been the MVP in my opinion however.

TO has or should have shut all these naysaying critics up for good

im a randy moss fan but i tell u what, TO is the best receiver in football.

Congrats NE and their fans and lets see if they can keep it up without Crenell and Weiss

Ty Law is gone!!!!!!!! he started all that bullshit before the season, he makes a load of money and they won without him

See ya Ty!! thanks for the memories!


by the way do u know who one of bill belichek's best friends is? u guessed it Jon Bon Jovi :hihi: :hihi:

Jon wrote the song "bounce" in dedication to Belicheck  * call it karma, call it luck me i just dont give a ................

bounce bounce nothings gonna keep us down bounce bounce stand up and shout it out bounce bounce i play hard i play to win count me out count me in ill be bouncing back again.

its awesome!!!! Bill also helps JOn with his Arena football Philly Soul team. : ok:

McNabb + Any sense of urgency = Notta. He needs to learn what a "no huddle" offense is quick.

Congratulations to the Patriots.

Yeah it was fucking shocking that they didn't go no huddle and the way that they just walking to the line of scrimmage.


Congratulations to the Patriots.

1000 posts timothy! : ok: : ok: : ok:


i thought the Pats for the first time to turned into a no class team when they were mocking the eagles with the bird flaps

NE were suppose to be classy and the only team to not do stuff like that

what they did made them no better than TO and the other self promoters

i was disappointed in their cockiness which was very uncharacteristic of NE.

Thanks D  ;D


I would also like to thank my parents for not use a rubber on that fateful night that I was conceived. 

I myself was disgusted by that "Dirty Bird" taunt
but in their defense, I think they get sick of hearing everygame and every year about the other team. Sure they were favored in the game, but all talk was about TO and McNabb leading into the game. Much like it was going into the Indy game.... I think they like to stress durring the game that they should be the ones payed attention to.




1st when he threw that last touchdown pass there was only one starting DB on the field, they were down to a rookie CB a rookie Safety a second year CB and Harrison. Had Eugene Wilson not broken his arm that pass is broken up.

What mistakes did Brady make?? The only thing I saw was a fumble caused by his own running back.I must have missed the three interceptions that he threw..... oh wait that was McNabb.

All in all, it was definitely a good game.

Not lop-sided and boring.

Congrats to the Patriots and their NFL dynasty.

But I don't think we've seen the last of the Eagles in the Superbowl either...

you guys shouldnt bash mcnabb so much, he had to throw 51 times cuz they couldnt run the ball. he had a few bad throws but when you throw it that many times its gonna happen. also dont forget the patriots are one of the best defesnive teams in the nfl, they held the colts to 3 points. mcnabb had over 300 yds passing against a top D without a runing game. thats not so bad. im not gonna get into a huge thing here about defending mcnabb after my team just won the super bowl, but thats just how i see it.

anybody know any good sites to buy nfl replica jerseys off.i have about 9 different teams now and i want to collect them all.as i am from wales uk its hard to get hold of em over here.cheers..

I'm surprised this thread hasn't been ressurected yet.  How bout some early Superbowl picks?  I've got Colts over Panthers.

I'm picking the Browns over the Eagles.

OK, no, seriously.  I love the Browns, but they won't be a playoff team for at least a couple of years.  Colts are a great team, but Manning has choked when it counts most.  If TO can shut the hell up and play the game, look for the Eagles out of the NFC.  As for the AFC, I hate them, but I'll pick the Steelers in an all-Pennsylvania Super Bowl.

I think there's too many question marks with the Eagles.  TO is unhappy, the running game is very questionable.  And the pressure is gonna be so intense on McNabb to get back.  It's gonna be real tough for them.

The Colts and Panthers sounds good, but I'll take the Panthers. : ok:

The Colts over The Eagles.


I think it's the year Manning finaly doesn't chock.

The media is gonna be going ape shit over this TO situation. Guaranteed. And especially if he remains quiet. ESPN will be dedicating serious air time to it, no matter what he does. It's going to be very hard for the Eagles to focus on the Eagles.

Am I the only person in the world who supports TO on this one?

i see exactly where he is coming from and I think he is 100 percent in the right.


Superbowl will be Baltimore vs Atlanta

i agree with you on TO. i am a die hard eagles fan, and i must say that i am in the minority. most polls favor eagles management by about 3 or 4 to 1.

TO is arguably the best receiver in the NFL. so to have the best receiver on your team, you have to pay for it. it's not like this is a no win situation for the eagles. if they just give him some more $$, we keep one of the best players on the team.

the eagles reduce salaries and cut players under contrat all the time. so TO has some bargaining power now. they should just deal with it.

i believe the eagles have planned to cut him after this season all along because he gets a $5M roster bonus in march with a $4M salary next year. so it's about $9M for the third year.....no matter what had happened this year, they were gonna cut him in february.

Didn't TO agree to the contract that he signed? If not, then why did he sign it? If he did, shouldn't he stick to his word?

I don't support TO because he has handled this extremely poorly.  If he would have done this behind closed doors asking for more money than I wouldn't have much of a problem.  But all offseason he's been calling out and berating people on his team...even McNabb.  How could he say anything negative about McNabb?  That's not how you go about this.  That being said...without TO the Eagles will not have much of an offense this year.  Don't forget, no Freddie Mitchel and no Todd Pinkston means McNabb won't have anyone to throw to who has much NFL experience.

The Eagles got thru the playoffs without TO. I think TO thinks he is worth more than he actually is.

Yeah, but like I said...last year they had Freddie Mitchel and Todd Pinkston to pick up some of the slack.  Both those guys are gone.  As of right now the Eagles' top 2 active receivers are Greg Lewis and Reggie Brown.  You're not going to the Superbowl with those two as your top receivers.

Philly have zero WR's outside of TO and Brian Westbrook isnt a conventional RB that can be a workhorse and carry 25 times a game.

without TO Defenses can play 7 man fronts and totally destroy any kind of run game cause there are no deep threats on Philly without TO.

NFC was pretty weak a year ago but will be much stronger this season

Minnesota are legit contenders as they have really improved their Defense.
Atlanta will be great, Carolina will be back, expect good seasons from Dallas,NY Giants, Seattle,Green Bay always have a shot, Detroit are improved, Washington will be better, Tampa Bay will be better.

not an easy road for Philly.


TO signed the contract but Philly had all the bargaining chips

TO was bout to get shipped to Baltimore and have to catch balls from Kyle Boller, so to avoid going to WR hell, he jumped at whatever philly was offering just to get as far away from Kyle Boller as possible.

with TO Mcnabb had career highs in completion percentage and TDs thrown so TO made a huge difference in McNabb whether anyone wants to admit it or not.


Philly Needs TO. they better work it out.

Philly does need TO to win a Superbowl, but after you publicly berate your coach and quarterback I'm not sure if you can work it out.  I think this has gona past being able to work it out.  I would not be surprised if we've seen TO play his last game as an Eagle.

Redskins open up with a W.  Defense looked good.  I'd have to say the surprise of Week 1 was definitely the Dolphins...didn't see that one coming.

i agree the eagles need TO to win it all. but i believe lewis and brown are gonna have great years. and that we will not miss stinkston or 1-catch freddy at all.

any predictions on the game tonight? the birds are far better than the falcons. we create several matchup problems for them when we have the ball. and we've proven to be able to contain vick.

but i'm a little worried that the falcons might make some big special teams plays or force a few turnovers or something which will change the course of the game.

still, i am cautiously predicting an eagles win. 

I saw the Falcons win a tight one...Atlanta 21 Philadelphia 20

this pre-game fight is INSANE! i thought it was gonna turn into a brawl when the two teams got in each other's faces. i've never seen anything like it.

i can't believe trotter got ejected before the game even started. HUGE loss for the birds. he is a major part of the D.

i don't know the rules but trotter never threw a punch. this is BS. and it's not good for the birds.

I agree it is bs . Trotter didn't throw a puch

dammit. ok ill stop watching...:S

mcnabb looked like shit. he has 6 turnovers in his last 2 games. both losses by a combined 7 points.

and vick sucks. his passing didn't look any better than last year.

If Trotter did throw a punch its an automatic ejection, but if he indeed threw one seems to be in question.  Big loss though, probably cost them the game.  That backup MLB looked absolutely lost against the run.

Well McNabb and the Eagles certainly did better today.? Bitchslapped my 49'ers 42-3.? ?:P

glad to see my iggles back on track. although i can't take much from this game considering they beat the worst team in the league.

Hail to the Redskins!
Hail victory!
Braves on the warpath
Fight for 'ol DC!

Damn, that was sweet.

the end of that game was awesome! i'm glad i woke up to see it.

i hate the cowboys and knowing that all cowboy fans are miserable today makes me feel good. they really thought they were gonna be 4-0 heading into the game at home vs. the birds in week 5.  :rofl:

I still can't believe the Skins pulled it out.  They looked completely inept on offense for 3 and a half quarters, then all of a sudden two quick TDs.  That's the sweetest win they've gotten in a while.

GOD DAMN IT!

being a life long Cowboy fan i damn near broke my TV last night

How in the fuck did that happen?

3rd and 27 and they let Brunell fuckin run 25 yards

then on fourth down he throws a TD to Moss

why not blitz on 3rd and 27 instead of that bullshit prevent stuff?

But Ok I can live with Washington and that bullshit getting up 14-13

This is what probably makes me the most mad.


ball on the Washington 40, 2nd and 4 2 minutes to go which is plenty of time

Julius Jones is runnin all over Washington

Pass on 2nd down incomplete
pass on 3rd down incomplete
pass on 4th down incomplete game over


Why not hand it to Julius on 3rd and 4?
how about a playaction pass on 2nd and 4?

But Damn it we just needed a FG!!!!!

Oh well we got SF next week so we have a great shot at being 2-1 but we had an easy road to go 3-0

just doesnt make sense.

Philly looks impressive, if Trotter hadnt been ejected they wouldve beat Atlanta


I dont know why Philly didnt try to get a power Running back though, Westbrook is a good all purpose back but not really a guy who can carry 25 times a game and eat up the clock.

Vinny is back?!?

Jets re-sign Testaverde after injuries to Pennington, Fiedler
HEMPSTEAD, N.Y. (AP) ? The desperate New York Jets brought back 41-year-old Vinny Testaverde on Tuesday after starting quarterback Chad Pennington and his backup, Jay Fiedler, were lost for the season with shoulder injuries. In turning to Testaverde, who played for the Jets from 1998-2003, the team hopes he can back up untested third-stringer Brooks Bollinger, who is scheduled to start Sunday against the Baltimore Ravens.
 
  Vinny Testaverde's best season came in 1998 when he led the Jets to an AFC East crown and the AFC Championship Game.

I can't believe you publically admitted to being a Cowboy fan D....  :o    :-X    :P

Hail to the Redskins!
Hail victory!
Braves on the warpath
Fight for 'ol DC!

I have one question for everyone here...how many losses does your football team have?

skins are a fraud. they best 3 crappy teams by a combined 7 points.

talk to me in about 5-6 weeks.

Hey, we beat who's on the scheduele.  Seatle's not too bad.  They've got a good offense, and our D shut them down pretty good.  You have to at least concede our D is very good.  And the offense is coming along.  Brunell threw for more than 200 yards and 2 TDs.  And the one INT wasn't his fault cause it bounced the receiver's hands and he should've caught it.  The running game is good with Portis.  Its all coming together.

i don't totally disagree with you.

but i believe they will finish 3rd in the division and out of the playoffs.

Looking at things realistically, the Eagles and Giants both look good so far.  But even if they finished 3rd in the East, they could still grab the 2nd Wild Card spot.  I definitely think the East is the best division in the NFC.

i think the skins will end up being a .500 team or worse. i'm guessing they win 7 games. their schedule gets much tougher the rest of the way.

birds vs. cowboys today. huge rivalry. philly HATES dallas. i'm a little worried about this one. we're coming off an emotional road win, we have to travel to dallas, and next week is our bye. this is a dangerous spot. (which is why we're only favored by 3.) dallas could steal this game.

NE - falcons at 1. birds at 4. great day.

The Eagles are crashing today. ( courtesy of Dallas)

We destroyed Philly, and now have beat the Giants.

Minnesota are Morons for trading Randy Moss.

they suck!


why are they in trouble for the orgy?

is that illegal?

With the orgy, I think we did some stuff out in the open and apparantely some of the people that witnessed what went down were like offended or something.  Even if its not illegal, is that the way you want your team to conduct itself?

i hate the cowboys. but they should be 6-1 right now. they gave away two games this season.

birds pulled out a tough win yesterday with a blocked punt return for a TD with 2 minutes left. things weren't looking good either. but our D played incredible. LT is the greatest RB in the history of football according to some commentators, and the birds held him to 7 yards rushing. late in the game he was still at negative yards, then he picked up a few on the last 2 drives.

there's alot of similarities between this game and the game 2 years ago when westbrook returned a punt for a TD late against the giants.

by the way, NFC east is by far the toughest division in the league.

Hail to the Redskins!
Hail victory!
Braves on the warpath
Fight for 'ol DC!

I don't remember the last time the Redskins blew out a team that badly.  Great to see Arrington back in on defense.  He had 9 tackles.  And finally we got to the QB and caused some turnovers.

even aside from the blowout vs. the 49ers, the skins have been playing well. i'm going to the skins-birds game on new years day (last game of the season). i'm worried that it could be one of those games that doesn't matter, but it could end up being a HUGE game with playoff implications.

skins-giants this week for first place. i hope that's televised locally here in philly. the nfc east is back.

The NFC East is back big time.  Back in the day it was the best division in football, and I think it is once again.  Every team hates each other.  Its a beautiful thing.

How painful it is to be a Jets fan... :'( :'( :'(

According to mt brother its really painful.  I had high expectations for the Jets this year.  It sucks to see them like this.

There was talk of the Jets being a super bowl contender by the way they looked pre season. Then the injuries started and we're left with a 4th string QB.

I hated to see Chad Pennington go down.  He's one of my favorite QB's currently in the NFL.

I can't understand why they brought in Fiedler to back up Chad. When he was with Miami he was hurt a lot of the time. Fiedler was good for like 7 plays and then he got hurt.

I can't stand Fiedler! He sucked in Miami and he still sucks now. When will teams figure out he has no talent?

On the subject of ineffective quarterbacks, maybe the Jets could pick up Kurt Warner. He should be looking for a job again soon!

Hey, if the Jets are bad enough maybe they can land Matt Leinart in the draft.

i'm convinced matt leinart will be a bust in the nfl. i think brady quinn will have a better career.

eagles looked like shit again. there were all kinds of crazy stats/records from this game.
mcnabb was 0-12 passing to start the game.
birds were down 21-0 or 28-0 before mcnabb completed a pass.
broncos had 2 100-yard rushers and plummer threw for 300 yards (i think that was the first time in history).

just an awful game. but the birds fought back and made it 28-21 in the 3rd. we had the ball at the broncos 25 yard line and mcnabb threw an INT in the end zone.

we have the skins next week - sunday night in washington. they looked worse than we did yesterday.

Does anyone think Marcus Vick will be an effective passing QB? Or will he be more like his brother, a runner/passer?

I think its too early to tell with Marcus, but at this point he looks a lot like Mike Vick to me.

I think he seems to be more of a passer at this point. And a better passer then Mike. But your probably right that it's still early. I guess time will tell though.

He does appear to be a better passer than Mike.  That's not saying much, cause Mike Vick isn't a very good passer.  I think people are starting to realize that he really isn't that good of a quarterback.  When Matt Schaub comes in and you don't miss a beat, it kinda gets the fans thinking.  Mike Vick is an amazing athlete, and a great college quarterback.  As for being an NFL QB, its totally different.  You have to be able to drop back and throw the ball.  People always use the argument, "All he does is win."  But if you take a close look at the Falcons, its pretty clear why they win games...a great running game and a very good defense.  If Marcus can combine the athleticism of his brother with good passing skills, then he could be an all-time great.

tomorrow I will be watching my pitifull jets with old man vinny throwing lets say 2 ints... About 5 sacks to go with it.. maybe brooks will get some play time.. Oh and curtis martin will either have 60 yards rushing or 150 :hihi:

I cant believe the Jets turned to shit, they really messed up trading Santana Moss.


TO got suspended indefinitely by Philly.

I am a Cowboy fan so I find it hilarious what has happened to Philly.

I love it that the Eagles are falling apart. I hate T.O. and I've never liked McNabb.

I would absolutely love it if T.O. just disappeared completely away now and never played football again. :beer: :yes:

trading moss wasn't the problem, loosing lamont jordan was much worse.. Lookat curtis martin's rusing this year

regarding the Jets, when you pull a 41 year old QB off the couch to be your starter what can you expect? Yes they were in a tough situation, but Vinny's best days are behind him. Maybe brooks will step up in the interim? I just hope Herm Edwards keeps his job  next year, hes a great coach with a real tough set of circumstances.

Hail to the Redskins!
Hail victory!
Braves on the warpath
Fight for 'ol DC!

Good bounce back win.  They looked so dreadful last week, and they came back strong in a huge game.  The Eagles passing game still looked good even without TO.  If they could run the ball at all they'd be ok.

Too bad they couldn't beat the New York Giants last week. I want the Giants to go down so bad.

Most excrutiating Redskins lost I've had to sit through in quite a while.  Mike Alstott DID NOT get in on that 2 point conversion.  That being said, the defense was terrible and they truned the ball over a bunch of times.  They didn't deserve to win that game.  The schedule is a bit more forgiving down the stretch however.  They're not done...not by a longshot.

redskins looked good vs. TB. gotta give them credit. that was a great game. the turnovers killed them. but their offense moved the ball consistently.

Yeah, the offense looks real good.  The defense was supposedly the strength of the team, but it looks real bad.  Tampa isn't a very good offensive team, and they moved the ball real well and put up a bunch of points on us.

The past couple of weeks both Jon Gruden and Dick Vermeil chose to go for the win instead of the tie. Both guttsy moves but both paid off for them in the end with a win. In the past, majority of times it was pretty much guaranteed coaches would go for the tie and go into overtiime.

I personally go for the tie there.  Especially at home, and Tampa would've had all the momentum going into OT.  But hey, it worked for them.  Imagine if it didn't though, Gruden would be getting slaughtered all over Florida sports talk radio.

Pretty crazy comeback for the Cowboys last night!!!

McNabb is Fucked, he's in alot of pain out there. At least he tries to stay in the play, rand for quite a few yards amd sacrificed himself to tackle Roy Williams after the interception. I'm sure Andy reid would've rather him not have done that though.

McNabb looked pretty good last night to. I wonder if he'll play next week

Looks like it'll be McMahon for the Eagles next week.  What a horrible play call by Andy Reid on that interception.  The running game was finally working for Philly, and instead of protecting the lead they run a pass to the flat.  They were asking to lose with a play like that.  Perfect example of what you don't do in that situation.

I just wonder why they didnt run all season?


The Tampa Bay play was bullshit, I hate Washington cause I am a lifelong Dallas Cowboy fan but still, Alstott was not in on that 2pt conversion.

I agree, he didn't get in.  There were a couple iffy calls that went both ways, but Tampa got most of them to go their way.  I'm really looking forward to this next game.  Oakland's coming to Washington.  Its Norv Turner's first game back as an opposing head coach.  Its definitely a must win, and sticking it to Norv will be sweet.  He had some very talented teams during his time with the Redskins, and he could never get it done.

I have a gut feeling that Philly will be better without Donovan McNabb.

Over on my sports forum I post on, I have picked Minnesota two weeks in a row cause I felt with Culpepper out, they would play better with Johnson because Culpepper with his 12 picks killed them.

johnson is more conservative, they force Tice to run the ball more with their great running backs and offensive line, and they've been more successful.

Same here, Mcmahon is healthy, he has a strong arm and he can run. He will play conservative, they will run the ball and let their D win games.

McNabb was about 80 percent and was getting Philly beat with his poor decisions.

he lost them the Washington game and they Cowboy game.

So look for Philly to win some games, I pray they beat the Giants Sunday,t hat way my Cowboys will have sole possession of first place.

Too bad, Drew!  Giants are #1 in their division after beating Dallas last week!  ;D :beer:

I'm shocked at how few people post in this thread. Cmon people! More people talk about sports "entertainment" than talk about the greatest sport in the world! There must not be many americans at this forum.

what a disappointing eagles season. i have sold all my tix except for the last game vs. the skins. it's new year's day so i'm thinking i may get down there for one more crazy tailgate.

random thoughts/opinions on the NFL:

seahawks are frauds.

don't forget about the pats.

i'm not handing any titles to the colts yet - i've watched enough football in my life to know that any team can be stopped. it wouldn't surprise me at all if we see the annual dungy/manning choke job in january. 

the colts first playoff game could actually be against the pats (in indy of course).

shanahan is a great coach.

the whole NFC is pathetically weak. 

Skins are back in the hunt.  I'm totally psyched for this Sunday's game against Dallas.  This is the biggest Redskins/Cowboys game in a while.  I've missed these kinda games.

I just started watching football this year. (I'm from Canada not the US though)

I'm rooting for the Pats cuz I've watched the playoffs the last couple years so the only team i've gotten to see really was the Pats, what an injury ridden year!! Brady is playing real good still though, with players coming back they might be dangerous again in the playoffs, especially if Dillon can stay healthy so they can switch up the running game and passing game. Their back feild still stinks though, they better fill the hole if they expect to contend vs Indy. thank god for a weak division ;D

I thought the Jags might actually pull it out last weekend but to no avail :no: looks like indy will be the second ever undefeated team, that would be a pretty cool record to see matched.

I had a chance to go see Denver@Buffalo this weekend but the deal fell through (none of my buddies could make it and i didn't want to go by myself :'( oh well, maybe next season, I hear tailgate parties are really fun to attend :beer: )

Philly actually played their best game in a while last weekend too, i was shocked :o next year they should do better though, with McNabb 100% and if they manage to trade T.O. instead of just buying him out (that prolly won't happen though)

Where does everyone think T.O. will go? I think Atlanta, Dallas or Denver

You heard it right here from me...the Chargers will beat the Colts this week.  I think TO will wind up in Dallas.  He's Jerry Jones's type of player.  And if he starts any shit like he did in Philly, Bill Parcells'll just rip his head off.  I don't think you can count the Pats out.  They'll be in the playoffs, and they have the experience to win it all.  I wouldn't be shcoked if they wound up beating the Colts in the playoffs.

i agree on all counts.

TO and keyshawn would be interesting. what do  you think TO will sign for? i hear people saying he won't get a good contract. maybe $1-$3M per year. but that's dangerous, cause if he accepts that, and then outperforms it, you know he's gonna cause problems.

and i don't know that you can give him incentives, cause the moment his QB throws alot of balls the other way, he'll cause problems.

i wonder if dallas will just offer him $6-$8M a season. it'll keep him happy and if he has his typical season, you get your money's worth.

TO in philly in a cowboys uniform....what a scene that would be. 

I think TO's value has definitelt plummetted due to his behavior.  He'll wind up playing for a fraction of what he could've next season.  I think Dallas will sign him for one year, and he'll have a big year.  Then he'll get his big money contract and procede to get the whole city of Dallas to turn on him just like he did in Philly.

yeah, you're probably right. the stupid thing is, he's gained nothing this year. in fact, he's essentially lost a year of his career, which doesn't have many years left as it is. this year he would have made $3M (ended up getting paid about $2M after the fines). if he had acted normal, he would have gotten paid a fortune next year. probably in the $10M a year range.

but now, NEXT year, he'll be in the position he was in THIS year - i.e. small one year contract, with the hope of having a good season and getting the payoff the following year.

unless he's gotten money from other sources, his agent F'd him big time.

To me TO is the biggest idiot of all-time.  After this past Superbowl he was a hero in Philly.  He came back from a devastating injury faster than anyone else who's ever had that injury in the NFL to have a big game on the biggest stage there is.  He could've been a god in Philly.  Then he went and turned on his QB and his coach for absolutely no good reason.  He divided the team and almost singlehandedly ruined their season.  All he had to do was shut up and he would've gotten his money, he could've stayed with the defening NFC champs, and he'd be one of the most popular guys in the league.  Now nobody wants him and its nobody's fault but his own.

Dont let the media slant u guys on TO

TO was right 100 percent.


Listen, they gave Bryan Westbrook a huge new deal and he isnt half the player TO is, Westbrook is like a third down back, slot WR, he cant run the ball *never has had a 1,000 yard season even*

Philly knew what they were getting with TO, they shouldve cut him,traded him or gave him his money in the offseason.

He signed that deal with Philly only to stop from goin to Baltimore.

Philly are notorious for not wanting to play their stars and this time it bit them in the ass.

Donovan McNabb is overrated, not a great QB and showed it after TO got suspended.

They shouldve gave TO a couple more million and they'd be sitting pretty right now on top of the nFC East.

TO was asked a question, he answered it honestly, Bret Favre is better than an Injured D McNabb, McNabb hurt his team by being a pussy and bein scared of getting surgery.

had he got the sports hernia surgery, he'd be healthy right now and they'd be in good shape.

TO got railroaded by Philly and I blame Philly more than I do TO.

It's just unfortunate how blown outta proportion it got, TO shoulda kept quiet though. he devided the team like Rob said, it doesn't matter how good or bad a player is (and McNabb is hardly mediocre) you just don't talk like that about your own teamates. Also saying shit about the guy's family. Secondly, I'm not sure how they handled it but Andy Reid and the front office shoulda got them to sort their shit out when the whole thing started, not wait till mid season to do something about it. It's like they thought if they ignored it, it would go away, well it didn't. And who is more important to the team? the QB or a WR? of course they are gonna disipline the WR especially when it was his comments that started all the shit. (and dug it up time and time again.) And TO makes plenty of money, and there is lots to go around in football, any pro sport for that matter. I don't see why he has to make the most, who gives a shit?! If i was playing pro sports i would like to think I'd want my team to win more than to be the highest paid player. I mean fuck they play a game for a living for fuck sakes, what is the big deal between $9mill and $11mill? fuck him

Both sides handled it very poorly IMO. And the media loves shit like that they just jumped all over it.

And Farve is obviously in the twilight of his carreer

2005 stats
McNabb - 9gp, 16tds, 278.6yds/g, 85.0qb rating & 6.1rush yds/g, 1 rush td
Favre - 13gp, 19tds, 243.2yds/g, 75.4qb rating & 4.8rush yds/g, 0 rush tds

by those stats it looks, to me anyway, like McNabb, even though involved in a huge controversy and with a very serious injury was still a better QB this year

Good point with Westbrook there, D.  Although I do think you're short-changing his abilities, he did get a big extensions while TO did not.  However, TO is pretty unpredictable.  That definitely could've had a factor in the Eagles decision to not shell out the big bucks right away.  But if he would've kept his mouth shut and played this year he definitely would've got his payday next offseason.  I think Neemo's right.  Both sides fucked this one up.  The Eagles could've handled it better.  McNabb seems to take things said a little too personally.  And TO is just an idiot.  I think he should get the most blame, since he started this whole thing.  Bottom line, you don't call out your franchise QB and your head coach in public like that.  If you gotta problem you deal with it in-house.

i live in philly and i'm one of the few that supports TO as well. and my reasoning is that i know he's an asshole, brainless, selfish, etc.

so why even bother getting upset about ANYTHING that comes out of his mouth.

i know that may sound a little crazy, but they signed the deal with the devil. and you can't expect TO to be your typical "normal" player.

in additon, D is right. i fucking hate andy reid and the eagles management cause they don't like to pay players what they are worth. we still have $5M under the cap for this season that isn't gonna get spent. that's not smart, it's cheap.

just cuz there is a cap doesn't mean you have to go right to the top of it. like i said he already make $9mill plus, what the fuck is the big deal? I'd be pretty freaking happy with that salary

i couldn't disagree more. i pay alot of money for season tix. and the eagles are one of the most profitable sports organizations in the world. they owe it to their fan base to spend every penny of that money to try to put the best team on the field as possible.

the cap helps them make more money than they should. if there was no cap, they could spend WAY more on players and STILL make a ton of money.

we have $5M sitting there yet we let corey simon walk. AND got NOTHING in return for him. also, we refused to pay derrick burgess.....he goes to the raiders and has 13 sacks.

but what if something happens and they have a vital spot to fill? it's nice to have room to play with

i know they didn't use it this year but they have been probably considering it a lost season
for a while, with the $9mill freed up from TO they will surely make a big aquisition for next year : ok:

The Colts remind me of the 1998-99 Minnesota Vikings. Everyone thought they were unstoppable, they went 15-1, and lost to the Falcons in the NFC Championship. The Vikings still haven't recovered from that season. I think the colts will go 16-0, but will lose to either the Patriots or Bengals in the playoffs.

after watching the way the colts played against and demolished the pats, i have little faith for them should the two play again

Yes it is nice to have room to play with.


But doing things this way has killed them this season.

T.O. should go to Chicago. Imagine how great that team would be if they added something to their offense.

The thing I agree with TO is, he busted his ass last year to help them win games, so once he gets hurt, his teammates casted the first stone by goin on ESPN and other shows and saying how basically they won without TO and didnt need him to win now.

That is a low blow on TO who did nothing but play great football, didnt cause any problems or anything and they are gonna act like they dont need him to win.

that hurt TO's feelings and rightfully so.

he rehabbed his ass off to play in the superbowl, kicked ass in the superbowl and it was D MCNabb not To who got sick or tired or just choked in the 4th quarter of the SB.

I dont blame TO much cause what Sandman was sayin;

Philly knew what they were getting and once he was unhappy and started bitchin bout his contract, they shouldve redid it, or traded him then.


Another thing, why should TO honor a contract when NFL teams can cut a player any time they feel like it.

NFL doesnt have guaranteed contracts.

Drew Rosenhaus said on TV that if Philly guaranteed TO's current contract he'd shut up, but guess what? Philly wouldnt cause they planned to keep TO for bout 2 more years and then when his BIG money was to kick in, they wouldve then Cut his ass.

U are tellin me that is fair?

Hell NO!

D - i'm glad i've found someone that agrees with me on this thing. cause among my friends here in philly, i'm on my own on this one.

the eagles actually told runyan he had to take a pay cut this year. he loves it so much in philly that he agreed to it.

also, TO was due a $5M roster bonus this coming march, plus about $5M in salary next season for a total of $10M in 2006. most sports writers/fans in philly agreed that based on how the eagles operate, they were gonna cut him after this season regardless of how well he played.

and on top of all this, he put his career on the line in the SB. worked his ass off to get back and played against all doctor's orders. and he was the best player on the field that day.

AND D is right about mcnabb's comments once owens got hurt. he said we don't need TO to win it all cause we're a great TEAM. ok, fair point, and that is the approach you want to take. but you're dealing with a total head case!!! give the guy his props and clarify clearly that it will be much more difficult without him.

i'll take it a step further and say that mcnabb was jealous of TO last year and that's why he said those things. mcnabb was the man until owens got here. i can't stand mcnabb....he's a "mama's boy". and he's not a leader.

mcnabb's history in big games:

- nfc championship vs. rams - down 5, with 2 minutes left at the 50 yard line - interception
- nfc championship vs. bucs - down 10, inside the 10 - interception
- nfc championship vs. panthers - 3 INTs - never in the game
- super bowl - 3 INTS, including one in the end zone in the first half when they could have taken control of the game
- 2005 season - literally handed a W to the cowboys with an INT; and threw an INT to end the washington game

How bad do the Bucs suck this week?

Pretty damn bad.  The Pats are starting to look like their old selves again.  They're getting a lot of their injured players back, and Brady's been amazing.  I don't care what the Colts say, they do not want to see the Pats come playoff time.

good call on the Chargers/Colts game Rob!! : ok: I should've listened to you for my sports betting :( oh well it was only $2

Pats did look pretty good, and i can't believe they help the bucs pointless, their 'D' should get a boost from that :D

Good point. I can easily see them beating the Colts in the playoffs. The Bengals might even be able to upset them. And if the Colts have to play the Steelers in their first playoff game,than Colts fans will be nervous. That matchup just reeks of an upset.

I think the Bears can not only win the NFC, I think they can win the SB.


Putting Rex Grossman in was a great move, one I questioned but it paid off very very well.

I hope no sports media people start puttin the Colts down.

They were playin for nothing, SD were playin for their playoff lives.


Indy are still the team to beat.

I agree 100%. They are very similar to Carolina from a couple years ago, but might actually win it all. They are the most dangerous team heading into the playoffs. I feel sorry for whoever has to play them.

Man, everything really fell into place for my Skins this week.  First they totally dominate the Cowboys.  And to add to that both the Vikings and Falcons lose meaning the Redskins now control their own destiny.  If they win their last two they're in.  That Bears D is brutal.  Anyone who has to come to Soldier Field in January is gonna have to do something amazing to put some points up on the Bears.  If Grossman can get that offense going, like you guys said, they're gonna be extremely tough to beat.

I think they can win without their offense improving. Their defense is allowing like 9 or 10 points a game. You dont need much offense when your defense is that consistent. If you only allow an opponent to score 10 points, you only need 4 field goals to win. All the bears have to do is keep playing the same. A Colts-Bears Superbowl would kick ass! But I'm starting to think the Colts are like they are every other year. Do good until it really counts. It would also be cool to see a Pats-Bears Superbowl. Rematch of Superbowl 20. :beer:

Here are my picks this week. Whaddeya think.

Buf @ Cin - Cin
Pit @ Cle - Pit
SD @ KC - KC ???
Ten @ Mia - Mia
Jax @ Hou - Jax
Det @ NO - NO
Dal @ Car - Car ???
NYG @ Wsh - NYG ???
Atl @ TB - TB ???
SF @ StL - StL
Phi @ Ari - Phi ???
Ind @ Sea - Sea (So sad about Tony Dungy's kid :'( )
Oak @ Den - Den
Chi @ GB - Chi
Min @ Bal - Min ???
NE @ NYJ - NE

Giants lost!   :crying:

Atleast the Steelers won!  :D

My Cowboys are still alive

To get into the playoffs we have to beat St Louis and have either Philly beat Washington or Atlanta beat Carolina

it would also help if Chicago beats minnesota.

There is a 100% chance of that happening. : ok:

Baltimore pulled the upset, Minnesota are GONE!!


Dallas get into the playoffs by beating St Louis and we have to have Either:

Philly beat Washington
Atlanta beat Carolina
New Orleans beat Tampa Bay


We gotta shot.

Im gonna be nervous next week!! :nervous:

I really dont see Dallas getting into the playoffs. There's a small chance since Brunell is hurt, and Ramsey might start against Philly. But Philly is horrible. I think I could start in place of Brunell and the Skins would beat Philly. Something else that sucks is Seattle getting home field advantage. I was hoping the Bears would get it. Hopefully, Seattle will get upset in their first playoff game, and then the road to the Superbowl goes through Chicago. But I think the Bears are unbeatable regardless of where they play. They now have a passing game, which now makes them the most dangerous team in the league. Anyone else picking the Bears to win it all?

Nice to see Vinny go out in style on the last MNF game.

"Vinny Testaverde became the first player in NFL history to throw at least one touchdown pass in 19 straight seasons when he tossed a late score to Laveranues Coles."

A small bright spot to an otherwise horrible Jets season.

the nfc is pathetic. no matter who plays in the SB, the afc will be double digit favorites. and i think the afc will win big.

depending on the matchups, i could see both the bears and seahawks losing in the playoffs.

You're right about the seahawks, but wrong about the Bears.  NFC pathetic?? :confused: I cant wait to see the Colts try to score more than 10 points against the Bears.

I still think the Colts are the team to beat, despite the stuff they've had to go through the last couple weeks.  I think the NFC is wide open.  I agree that the AFC will win the Superbowl.  I think the Colts, Pats, Bengals, or Broncos would handle anyone out of the NFC.

I think the only AFC team you listed that might beat the Bears is the pats. I know the Bengals beat them early in the season, but the Bears were really struggling on offense then. I dont know if you or the other guys here have been watching bears games, but that team is phenomenal. One thing thats different about them is they dont have to blitz very much, which makes them extremely dangerous, especially in a bears-colts matchup. Peyton is used to teams always trying to blitz him, and always changes his plays at the line. I think the Bears would frustrate him early, and they wouldnt recover from it. I could actually see the Bears shutting out the Colts in a Superbowl. : ok:

I can't argue about the Bears' D.  There the best defense we've seen since the Ravens in 2000.  However, I still think Brady or Manning would find a way to beat them.  Especially at an indoor neutral site.  At Soldier Field I'd probably give the Bears the edge on the Colts and maybe the Pats, but indoors Brady and Manning will probably be able to mount a passing game against them.  Should be a good game though.  I don't think the Bears are a team that can get blown out by anybody.

i watched the bears-packers game and the bears-steelers game. this D is very good. no where near as good as the ravens in 2000. the bears haven't played anybody good. and the two teams they played that are decent (bucs and panthers) aren't exactly offensive powerhouses.

they've played crappy teams all year....lions (2), packers (2), vikings, saints, niners, browns (loss).

and the packers are awful. one of the worst teams in the league. and they barely outplayed them. this bears team is slightly better than the bears team that made a run in 2000 and lost to the eagles at home.

i think any team from the nfc could make it to the SB. as much as i hate the giants, i think they are dangerous.

 
Wild Card Weekend
Saturday, Jan. 7
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Jacksonville at New England 8:00 p.m. ABC
Sunday, Jan. 8
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Carolina at N.Y. Giants 1:00 p.m. FOX
Pittsburgh at Cincinnati 4:30 p.m. CBS

Predictions anyone? Here's mine:
Tampa Bay defeats Washington
New England defeats Jacksonville
N.Y. Giants defeat Carolina(this game could go either way)
Pittsburgh defeats Cincinnati
 Today had some notable news. Dick Vermeil retired, Mike Tice was fired, and we might have seen the last game of Brett Favre's career. Today might also have been the last regular season games of Jerome Bettis and Doug Flutie's careers.

great first round matchups. i'm looking forward to every game (which means most or all will be blowouts).

here's my picks:

bucs -2.5. although i was wrong in assuming they would not make the playoffs, i'm still not sold on the skins. and gruden may be the best coach in the league.

giants -3. carolina is inconsistent, and the giants are tough at home.

bengals +3. steelers have to be a bit worn...their last 3 or 4 games were essentially playoff games. and i think the home crowd will get the bengals going. i think they win outright.

jags +7. if i were a pats fan, i wouldn't have a good feeling about this game. nothing would surprise me in this one. not sure who i think will win, so i have to take the 7 points. the pats are playing well and are really tough at home, but they still are not the same team from years past.

Are you serious?? :o This is the final days of Jerome Bettis's career, and they will NOT allow themselves to be beat by the inexperienced and overrated Cincinatti Bengals. : ok:

I hope this weekend's winners are Tampa Bay, Jacksonville, Carolina, and Cincinnati.

Here's my picks

TB, NE, Pitt, Car

My picks:

Redskins, Panthers, Patriots, and Bengals.

I hope the complete opposite happens!  ;D

Grrrr...... :rant: :rofl: ;D ;)

 :hihi:  I'm being quite serious too - not just bustin on ya.  ;D :-*

Well I do see the majority of my picks are in the South and your picks are in the North. :yes: :-*

i think this will be a close game. i'm not sold on big ben - he struggled in the playoffs last year. and lewis is a great coach. as long has the bengals can contain the run somewhat, i think they'll win.

i'm also looking at trends here.....home field is huge in the nfl playoffs. AND road favorites are only 2-6 in the playoffs since 1995 (1-6-1 ATS).

I'm 2 for 2 so far!  ;D

nice job.  : ok:

i lost some $$ on the bucs, but i ended up winning it back on the pats. once i saw brady in pregame warmups at home, i realized how crazy i was for thinking they might lose.

i still love the giants today. and i'm sticking with my cincy pick as well.

yesterday's games were kinda boring. hopefully today's are better.

Giants got rolled


no way Cincy are beatin Pittsburgh


Carson Palmer in his first playoff game will not do good, Cincy has no D to speak of and Pittsburgh have the experience and the Defense and the running game.



I have Indy vs Carolina in the Superbowl, Indy winning it.

I'm just super excited that the Bears are in the playoffs.

kind of a boring opening weekend to the playoffs. hopefully week 2 is more exciting.

i was absolutely horrible at picking games this weekend. i should be banned from even giving my opinions.

but i will say this, the panthers are a nightmare of a matchup for the bears. they are only 3 point favorites (which is basically for home field - so oddsmakers are essentially saying these two teams are even).

I was 3 for 4 this weekend.  I really wanted Giants to win, bit at least the Steelers held tough.  Is Bettis like a train?  :hihi:

WOW!!!! Car 23 - NYG 0

Holy shit!!! lol,? i thought Eli was gonna choke but i didn't think he'd stay home :hihi:

the only game i got wrong was TB/Wsh :( I don't think they can beat Seattle this week though :nervous:

actually the giants would have had a better chance if eli DID stay home.  :rofl:

and the bengals-steelers would have come down to the wire if palmer didn't get injured IMO.

Palmer getting injured was the end of Cincy.

I cant believe fans were actually up and arms a couple years ago when Marvin Lewis handed Palmer the starting job.


He is an excellent QB and will win an MVP or two.


Vince young declared for the draft and Houston should drop David Carr and select Vince young who has a stronger arm than Leinart, the running ability of Bush and the power of Lendale White all rolled into one.

Divisional Playoffs
Saturday, Jan. 14
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New England at Denver 8:00 p.m. CBS     
Sunday, Jan. 15
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Carolina at Chicago 4:30 p.m. FOX


 Washington at Seattle- I believe this will be the big upset in the playoffs. I think Seattle is the most overrated team we've seen in years, and their weak division is the only reason they have home field advantage. The Redskins aren't a great team, but I think they will find a way to win this one.

New England at Denver- Its really hard to go against the Patriots in this one. Yeah, Denver is a hostile place to play, but the Patriots are used to these types of games, and should easily seal the victory. This game could easily turn into a blowout. Jake Plummer is known for choking in big games. He will continue that streak.

Pittsburgh at Indianapolis- The key here is how the Colts can handle playing when most of their starters have had minimal playing time for going on a month. I think it was a huge mistake for them to sit their starters for the majority of their last 3 games. If Pittsburgh takes an early lead, the Colts are in trouble. If Bettis has a big day, we will see a rematch of last years Steelers-Patriots playoff game. But I'm gonna take Indy in this one. Big Ben isn't consistent enough right now to take them deep into the playoffs.

Carolina at Chicago- This is being billed as a huge matchup. I dont think so. Chicago destroyed Carolina a few weeks ago, and the Bears will do it again. The Bears are going to the Superbowl, and there isn't anything Carolina can do about it.

Seattle will kill Washington....I went to the game on saturday & they were lucky to beat the Bucs. A few bad calls really helped Washington win that one.

I need to redeem myself this week. Tough games to predict this week, but here we go (and I do reserve the right to change my picks before the weekend):

Seattle over Washington, 34-7. the skins are lucky that WR dropped that TD pass, or else they would be sitting at home this weekend. They may not even score a point this week. (and it?s not that I think seattle is a great team?.it?s just the NFC is so weak.)

Denver over New England, 27-17. stat of the week?.belichick is 14-0 when facing a QB for the second time in a season (excluding the last game of the year vs. Miami when they sat most of their team). BUT, if he is the best coach in the league, shanahan is the second best - so the coaching advantage the pats usually enjoy is diminished. And the patriots have some weaknesses which shanahan will identify and exploit (average secondary, lack of a strong running game).

Carolina over Chicago, 14-9. This is the last team the bears wanted to play. Not a good matchup for them. Carolina has the better coach and more playoff experience.

Indy over Pitts, 31-21. if john freakin kitna can have a decent game against the steeler D, manning should have no problem.

He had a decent QUARTER! ;)  If Bettis and Ben are on, Indy is done. 

Not a bad weekend for me, I got 3 of 4 with the Bengals beinbg the only team I picked that lost. ?Man, did I feel bad for Carson Palmer. ?My picks for this week:

Redskins over Seahawks 24-21: ?The Skins were awful offensively last week, but they've been inconsistent on offense all year. ?Also they were up against one of the best defenses in football. ?I expect the offense to bounce back against a much weaker Seattle defense, and our defense has been good against the run and pass. ?The Seahawks are good, but not as good as their record would indicate.

Patriots over Broncos 30-21: ?Untill the Brady & Belichick connection lose a playoff game I'm picking them. ?Also as James said, Plummer has choked in big games.

Colts over Steelers 31-22: ?The Colts will probably start out slowly since they might be a bit rusty, but as sandman said...if Kitna can play well against them Manning and Co. will tear them up. ?The Steelers don't have what it takes to go into the dome and beat the Colts in the playoffs.

Bears over Panthers 13-10: ?Defense all the way in this one. ?Two of the best units in the league go against each other here. ?Also John Fox and Lovie Smith are two of the best defensive coaches in the game. ?If this game were in Carolina I'd be picking the Panthers, but traveling to Chicago in January is too tall an order for a warm weather team. ?Also Chicago has the advantage in the running game, and that's probably the only way either of these teams will move the ball. ?Carolina's backfield is banged up while Chicago's Thomas Jones is having a career year. ?If things turn out how I think it will make for an interesting week in my house as I'm a Redskin fan and my Dad's a Bear fan.

Hell Yes!!!!!!!! : ok: :beer:



Me too. I really hope both teams make it to the Superbowl!!! :yes:

Not true. Carolina is the exact team they wanted to play in their first playoff game. Its like giving Chicago a bye into the NFC Championship. Apparently you didn't watch the Bears-Panthers game late in the season. Carolina couldn't do anything. They were inconsistent through most of that game. : ok:

what happened in the regular season has little effect on the playoffs. if anything, it gives carolina a huge advantage. cause now they know what to expect from the bears D, and fox will make the necessary adjustments. 

the eagles beat the bucs and the panthers in each regular season that they lost to them in the NFC champ games. and both years the eagles were big favorites to win.

carolina was inconsistent most of the regular season. but it seems like they got their shit together now.

i'll admit i don't feel strongly about the panthers and this game could easily go either way, but i'm not all that impressed with chicago, and i think the panthers playoff experience gives them a big edge.

also, interesting notes from the bears-panthers reuglar season matchup:
1. delomme threw a couple early picks which did them in.
2. dan morgan got injured early in the game.
3. steve smith had about 160 yards receiving.

i hope i'm wrong cause i really HATE the panthers.   

Then you haven't seen them play. With this team, reading the stats, watching highlights, or hearing them judged on espn doesn't do this team justice. You have to watch the entire game each week to see what this team is capable of. Luckily, I have NFL Sunday Ticket on DirecTV so I can watch them every week. I highly recommend you order a DirecTV. :hihi:

Carolina are a much different team than they we're a few weeks ago.  Weve finally got our running game, and Jake Delhomme is in his element in the playoffs.  Add to that Steve Smith and Da Bears weak Secondary and weakness at the Quarterback position, The Panthers will win it.

Philly finally gave TO The official "Go find somewhere else to play"

As for this weekend :nervous: There are some tough picks to make

I'm a NE fan but i can't see them beating Denver IN Denver. They are unstoppable at home. Brady, Dillon, Branch will need to be huge and their D will have to step up and play their best game of the year for them to advance. (But it is that time of year and NE has been getting better every game since mid season so who knows right.) Still I have to say Denver.

Wsh/Sea? I will have to say Seattle

Car/Chi - Dunno, i think Carolina will win

Indy/Pitts - Gotta go with Indy

Then the Other Manning will choke again (It's in their blood I think :hihi: ) and we'll see a Seattle/Denver Superbowl

i will admit i didn't see many of their games. but i watched them play GB (maybe the worst team in the league), and they struggled. and then i watched them get dominated by the steelers.

these teams are very similar - and i think all the intangibles even out.

and neither will have much success running the ball (although both will try). so it will be the team that can make the bigger plays throwing downfield, and with smith, the panthers have an advantage.

also, delhomme is a better and more playoff tested QB. i think grossman is a stiff. hopefully he proves me wrong.

I think the Panthers are just too inconsistent to get too far into the playoffs.  Some weeks they look like one of the best teams in the NFL, and others they lose to teams they are clearly better than.  I personally think the Panthers are much more talented than the Bears, but you never know which Panther team you're gonna get.  Also its extremely tough to go into Soldier Filed in January and get any kind of passing game going.  Especially against a good Bears D.  The Bears do not have a weak secondary, Thorazine.  Vasher and Mike Brown are stars, and the rest is pretty solid as well.  That Bears D is tough all around.

You got that right. It is phenomenal. Its true they arent too good on offense, but that defense is special and will probably go down as one of the greatest defenses of all time. For a large part of the season, they were only giving up 11 points a game. You dont need an offense with those stats. Im hoping the skins whip the seahawks, and then the road to the superbowl goes through chicago. :beer:

I'm with Neemo's picks too. Carolina, Indianapolis, Denver, and Seattle.

Carolina, Denver, Seattle, Indy

Seattle
Chicago
Indy - although I really WANT Pitt to win!
Denver

Did you guys hear about Carson Palmer's injury? Doctors are now saying its one of the worst knee injuries they have ever seen. One doctor said if he rated it on a scale of 1 to 3, his injury would be a 4. His career is probably over. Pretty fucking sad. I'm not a Bengals fan, but this guy had potential to be a star.

I'm 2 for 2 again this week!  :beer:

If I go 3 for 4 again, I hope I'm wrong on the Pitt game!  ;D

Yeah but didn't the doctor retract his statement later? I'm sure the Bengals promotions office and ticket sales office got a hold of that doctor real fast!!!!! :rofl: :rofl:

wow i can't believe that indy lost  :rofl:

told you Manning would Choke i just predicted the wrong week

now I'm 2 for 3

Yes, the Colts choked big time!!!!! Just like they do every year. It's ridiculous! I'm now rooting that Carolina and Denver will be in the Superbowl.

Yay!  I was wrong on the Pitt game!  That's the one I wanted to wrong on if any!!  Go Steelers!  :beer:

3 out of 4, and I'm glad I was wrong about Indy. Carolina wins the super bowl!..................hopefully

i went 3 of 4. had indy wrong. i knew they would choke, but i too thought it would be next week.

today's games were great. probably the two best of the playoffs so far.

tony dungy is a very average coach. he should be a coordinator. he's a great teacher, and can build teams. but as far as being a big game day coach, he's one of the worst in the league. and i'm sick of people trying to say otherwise. i could name 10 coaches that would win the SB this year with that team.

and the bears proved to be total frauds. they padded their stats all year against weak teams. they were well rested, at home, and their D got DOMINATED by the panthers offense.

I agree with everything.

Dungy is very very average, I knew taking the last 2 weeks easy would destroy them.

When a team blitzes like Pitt did, All u have to do to beat them is throw screen pass, after screen pass.

Once u start throwing the screens, teams have to back off the blitzing.

Bill Cowher is never gonna win a SB though.

He does dumb shit when the game is tight.

I thought he finally grew some balls going for it twice on 4th down, I thought he had turned over a new leaf but then what does he do?

They stop blitzing, Indy scores twice in about 4 minutes and they almost blow the game.

I dont know why the fuck teams still go into that dumb ass Prevent Defense.



Steve Smith is the best WR in football, he proved it today, 12 catches against the Bears, that is phenomenal. I dont know why teams dont double cover him, That is retarded.

Marvin Harrison proved again that he is an overrated receiver.  Great regular season stats, has yet to do anything on a big stage.


over at 2ksports.com I have been running an NFL game since week 3 where everyone picks the winners.

we are now in the playoffs and I am leading my guy 3-1 so Im headed to the Super Bowl!!!!!!!!!!

Bears-Panthers The bears didnt even show up. Almost unbearable to watch. Not only did the defense suck, but they relied way too much on the passing game. Its like they thought Grossman was Joe Montana. They should have put Kyle orton in late in the 1st quarter when it was obvious things wrent gonna go well. He's not all that great, but the Bears had 99% of their wins with him, so they should have lost with him. If Carolina can destroy the Bears, they should have little trouble in Seattle.
Colts-Steelers NFL teams should learn a valuable lesson from this game: Do not sit your starters during the final 3 weeks of the season!! I knew that would cause them to lose, and it sure did. Manning is once again proving himself to be the new generation's Dan Marino. Dumbest move of the game: The Colts going for it on fourth down back at the 10 yard line. There was plenty of time left, and they had all their timeouts left. It was a stupid move. I'm glad they lost, and I think Dungy should be fired for his obvious incompetence. In the first half of the game, did you guys see when Peyton overruled Dungy's call for a punt? It showed the arrogancy of Manning, and the weakness and lack of respect for Dungy. If I were the Colts GM, I would start tearing this team apart, and getting as good of a trade for these people while they still have market value.

Cool i ended 3 for 4. as long as Alexander plays next sunday i still think it'll be a Den/Sea superbowl

I can't believe the bears allowed 29 points against at home. just unbelievable.

And how is it possible for Tom Brady to have 340 passing yards but only 1 TD?

Great quote by manning?. ?I?m trying to be a good teammate here, but we were having problems with our protection.? Talk about throwing your teammates under the bus. What a loser.

D ? I agree on all points. Especially about Cower. They went prevent and allowed the colts to go 80 yards for a TD in about 90 seconds ? 25 yards here, 30 yards there. That prevent is ridiculous. But he did get more aggressive on the colts last two drives (and it worked), so I have to give him credit for that. But I think he?ll find a way to lose against the broncos.

I thought grossman played real well, although I did just check his stats and they?re really weak. But he continued to make nice throws and bring the bears back within a couple of points. And if the bears D could have just gotten a big stop or two, I think the bears win that game. But it seemed like everytime the bears scored, the panthers came right back down the field and got some points. 

Yeah, that was a horrible thing to say. He probably just lost the respect of alot of his teammates.

Pittsburgh's going all the way baby.? The Broncos will put up a good fight, but we'll get the best of them in the end.? I believe Carolina will beat the Seahawks, but will lose to Pittsburgh in the SB.? Pittsburgh's a better team and this being Bettis's last year and all, nothing is gonna get between them and that trophy.? Pittsburgh crushed the Colts - the best team in the NFL.? Had that dumbfuck referee not reveresed Polomalu's interception (which the NFL admitted was a mistake), Indy never would have made that last touchdown and the final score would have been at least 21-10 if not 28/24-10 with Indy getting the ball back for a minute or two.? Pittsburgh accomplished what no other team in the NFL could do - beat Indy's first string players.? Like it or not, Pittsburgh's the team to beat and they have more momentum and talent than any of the other 3 teams.? :peace:

 :beer:  Nice - I'm with you!  I have been a Pitt fan since the 70's!  : ok:

Ahem.....

IN the key of John Lennon:

"People say Guns N' Rock Music's a dreamer....But he's not the only one" :hihi: two upsets in the conference finals? I don't think so.  Bettis is unstoppable? well he was shitting his pants after that fumble wasn't he? I thought he was gonna have a heart attack as indy was heading down the feild for that last drive.

and with DeShaun Foster out it'll put some pressure on the Panthers passing game. they just will not have the option of running the ball as much with him out of the lineup. And Alexander says he's playing sooo.....

It kinda looks like everyone on Indy is trying to shift the blame to someone else. you could tell by the look in Mannings eyes that he thought Vanderjagt was the one who choked (he did, but it's a team game not just one guy). and on The Score, a sports channel here in Canada, it showed a war of words between those two from 2003. Vanderjagt said that both Manning and Dungy were not very good leaders and Manning responded by calling him a "Jackass Kicker" :hihi: Indeed it may be time to think about trading some of the team for youth before they are too old to be valuable.

I definitely agree the Colts were obviously hurt by the long layoff.  They didn't get into their rythym on offense until the 4th quarter.  Who would've thought Bears/Panthers was gonna be the highest scoring game of the weekend?  Steve Smith was amazing.  Why didn't the Bears double team him?  And why was Tillman on him instead of Vasher for most of the game?  Imagine a Broncos vs. Seahawks Superbowl.  I don't think anyone picked that before the season started.

Speaking about the Bettis fumble, did you hear about the guy in a Pittsburgh bar, watching the game, who actually had a heart attack when that happened? Dan Patrick had him on his radio show today, along with the bus. And Steve Smith is a monster on the field. Yes, Deshaun Foster is done, but Nick Goings isn't a rookie, either. He had six 100yd games last season for the Panthers. Wouldn't it be amazing if it were Pittsburgh/Carolina in the super bowl? Two wild card teams at the big dance.

Carolina and Denver in Superbowl XL, please............!!!!!!! :yes: ;D

That would be historic. It would be the first time that two former division rivals met at the Superbowl. But I hope it doesn't happen. I've always hated Seattle, and I think Carolina deserves it for whipping Chicago's ass.

i heard that guy on the radio the other day. awesome story.

if the colts had ran that fumble back for a TD, or found a way to win after that fumble, it would have been one of the most memorable plays in the history of the sport. right up there with the "miracle at the meadowlands", "the tuck rule play", "the catch", etc.

still, it was an awesome game. instant classic.

and i realized something this year (first in the texas-usc game, and then watching the nfl playoffs this year)....

football games are WAY more exciting when the referees screw up. that probably sounds crazy, and its the last thing anyone wants. but when it happens, it makes my stomach turn so much, but i'm instantly way more into the game.

time to make your predictions for the championship games.

Pittsburgh at Denver (-3).
Carolina at Seattle (-3.5).

Denver 24-17. this game is tough to call cause the teams are so similar. both teams looked great last week. but i denver has the coaching advantage, and they're playing at home. i was really impressed with the denver D and the pressure they put on brady (lynch was all over the place). i am not a fan of plummer at all and i could see him throwing this game away, but i think shanahan will find a way to keep the pressure off of him.

Carolina 30-20. i think goings is a good fill in at RB, and smith is unstoppable. he's the best player in football right now. carolina has been there before, they're on a roll, and i don't think the seahawk D will be able to stop them much.
 

Steelers vs Broncos- This is the best championship matchup we have seen in years. It could truly go either way. You're right about Plummer, and I'm sure Shanahan knows that also, and their running attack will be used through most of the game. If Pittsburgh takes an early lead, Denver will have to abandon the running game and then the pressure is on Plummer, and mistakes will be made. The Steelers are a dangerous team right now, and with this likely being Bettis's last year, they will do whatever it takes to get him that superbowl ring. The Steelers definitely have a shot, but I'm gonna have to say the Broncos win this, and it will be close.
 Seattle vs Carolina-  Seattle is the most overrated number one seed we have seen since the 1998-99 Minnesota Vikings. Hasselbeck isn't that good, and when Carolina starts winning from the start, he wont be able to handle the pressure. I think the seahawks will choke just as bad, if not worse, as Chicago did. When you consider all the injuries the panthers have had over the past couple years, I think they know this is their last real chance at a superbowl run, and they wont blow the opportunity. Panthers win this by at least a couple touchdowns.

Hey James how did the interview go? :hihi:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AqySsqumc0KZvY5yxoFkJAhDubYF?slug=ap-bills-lofton&prov=ap&type=lgns

I'm considering taking the job. :hihi:

ok, my head says Seattle this weekend, but my heart can't pick against my team. Everything is stacked against the Panthers Sunday. A 3000 mile plane ride, a team that hasn't lost at home all year, Peppers banged up, Foster out, one hell of a loud crowd, I know, I know......................but, Delhomme: 5/1 in the playoffs, Smitty: a freak, Fox: really, really good. And of course, Peppers will play, make no mistake. And Julius with one good shoulder is as good as 90% of NFL'ers with two. So, of course I'll pick Carolina in a tough one.



Denver and Pittsburgh is going to be a great game. I'm really torn about who comes out on top. Again, my head says Denver, but my heart goes to Pittsburgh. Bettis, in what will probably be his last year in the NFL, is going to give it everything he's got. I love the idea of two wild cards making it, even though I know it's a long shot. I can see either team winning Sunday, but I'm pulling for the dogs.

I'm going for Pitt vs Seattle : ok:

Come on now! :hihi: :hihi:

 :hihi:  I just went back to see your pick and we're the total opposite again!  If I have to be wrong on one, I hope it's the Seattle game.  ;D

Carolina vs. Pittsburg. Well, that would be a better game imo. ;D

My picks:

Broncos 24 Steelers 21:  Broncos ar very tough at home.  Cowher has been dreadful throughout his career in Championship games.  And the Broncos have to be pissed that they're still being over-looked this late into the season.  One more win and they're in the Superbowl and still no one is talking about them.

Panthers 31 Seahawks 27:  Steve Smith is gonna tear them up.  Nick Goings is a more capable backup than Maurice Morris as well.  I know Alexander says he's fine, but he'll still probably see less action than usual.  Delhome has won one of these games before, while Hasselbeck hasn't.  Carolina needs to get pressure on him though.  The Skins didn't and they payed for it.  Peppers and Rucker should do a better job of getting to the QB, and they'll be going to Detroit to take on Denver in the Superbowl.

Woo hoo!  Sorry, Drew. ;)

pitt vs. seattle in the SB. that's a decent matchup. and it's cool to see new blood in there - pitt hasn't won in close to 30 years, and seattle has never been there.

i could not have been more wrong on my predictions. luckily i was smart enough not to bet these games.  :hihi:  although i did lose 2 cases of beer to a buddy on the carolina game.

opening line for the SB has the steelers favored by 3.5. my initial gut reaction is to bet the house on the steelers. i thought the line would be about 6 or 7. but i have to give it some thought over the next two weeks.

talk about proof that the NFC is weak....the #1 in the NFC is playing the #6 in the AFC, and the AFC team is favored. 

 

I was right for Seattle, wrong about Denver. Man, Plummer really sucked the big one yesterday.

And I can't beleive how effectively Seattle shut down Smith. Well, I can kinda. When Givens went down, they had nothing to do on offense but to pass to Smith and Seattle knew it, double and triple coverage, him Carolina was done. That Punt return shoulda been called back too :rant:

I'm sticking with Seattle for the SB

Denver vs Pittsburgh- Some of the worst play calling we've seen in awhile. The Broncos proved that they were overrated, and didnt deserve the attention and respect that they thought they deserved. Dumbest call of the game: When Denver went for it on fourth down at the 15 yard line with more than five minutes to go, and they were only down by ten points. Talk about having no faith in your defense. Pittsburgh easily earned this victory, and they should have no trouble in beating Seatlle in 2 weeks. No one would have predicted this Superbowl earlier in the year, and hopefully its a good game.

Seattle vs Carolina- Not much to say about this game, because its like Carolina didnt even show up. But I think Foster's injury last week is what made the Panthers so innefective this week. Steve Smith cant be their only weapon, and that was proven yesterday. Delhomme didnt even have a chance. He was pressured all day, and never really found a rythmn.

Oh well, I guess I'll find something else to do now. :-\

What?  There's going to be a GREAT game in a week and a half! ;)

Maybe. But right now, I'm not interested in the Superbowl. Things could change by then though. :)

We can bet on opposing teams.  :P

Trying to make it interesting, aren't you? ;) ;D

lol

Yeah, for you. ;)  I don't want you to miss it!  ;D

And I do hope it's a good game and you enjoy it very much. :yes:

P.S. Don't party too hard! ;)

Yeah, I'm going to a huge party!  I was in Pittsburgh last weekend and collected up all my terrible towels!  ;D   So, I assume you're for Seattle?  :P

Wow, T.O. might be bound for Denver

as a Philadelphia Eagles fan, this has been a rough couple of weeks. it's the first time in 5 years we weren't in the NFC championship game. the eagles went from the SB to 6-10.

still, there's high hopes for next season. but then i read this interview with Mcnabb (he's such a baby)...

(Source: Philadelphia Daily News)
DETROIT - Healing can be a long, tricky process, Donovan McNabb has learned.
The Eagles quarterback isn't sure he can trust his repaired groin to be ready for the team's first minicamp in April. He has a lot of rehab work to do, work that can't be pushed too hard for fear of a relapse.

McNabb also isn't sure right now that his team is his team, that his teammates have his back, after a disastrous season of injury and intrigue, lowlighted by the exile of wide receiver Terrell Owens. That process probably can't be pushed too hard, either. The bonds of trust will have to be reforged, to get the Eagles' locker room back to where it was before the devastation that began a little less than a year ago, amid the fallout from the last Super Bowl.

McNabb made his annual Super Bowl Week appearance yesterday on behalf of Campbell's Chunky Soup, along with his mother, Wilma, Pittsburgh Steelers star Jerome Bettis, and Bettis' mom, Gladys. After prolonged festivities surrounding Campbell's donations to food banks, McNabb talked to reporters about his sports hernia - which he said was bothering him when he reported to training camp last July - as well as Owens, and the Eagles.
McNabb said he feels his experience with T.O. should have been a lesson for the team, but he isn't sure the lesson has sunk in yet. McNabb influenced the Eagles to bring in Owens 2 years ago, then became an object of Owens' scorn when the All-Pro wideout grew dissatisfied with his contract.

"This is a sign for my teammates, for them to see that that person you may smile and talk to every day, that same person may talk to the media... talk to somebody else about how he doesn't like you or he's jealous of you, or whatever," McNabb said. "Every individual makes their own decisions. Now, for me, it's kind of to see how my teammates react to that. We've obviously seen how they reacted to it during the season, by wanting him back. So what message does that send to you?"

McNabb was hustled away by a handler before he could answer his own question. But it was pretty clear that the message McNabb got was one of nonsupport, though at the end of the disaster of a 6-10 season, several players spoke out on McNabb's behalf, and made it clear that McNabb was not the only Eagle who considered Owens a huge distraction.

McNabb was referring to what they said before that, the week after McNabb finally ripped his groin to the point where he needed season-ending surgery. As the Eagles prepared to play at the Giants on Nov. 20, middle linebacker Jeremiah Trotter led a bizarre effort to get Owens reinstated, more than a week after coach Andy Reid had made it clear T.O. would not play again for the Eagles.

With Trotter, a dominant personality, agitating hard for Owens, it was hard to find anyone in the locker room willing to say publicly that they disagreed. Trotter said he thought most of the locker room, including McNabb, would be willing to take Owens back. By the end of the season, several players had acknowledged that the failed effort had been Trotter's campaign, not the team's.
"That was one man," cornerback Sheldon Brown said.

Reporters were unable to talk to McNabb then, but yesterday he clearly implied the wounds of November hadn't healed. Asked how he knew teammates had wanted Owens to return, McNabb said: "I heard it in the media, I read it in the newspapers, just like you guys."

It sure sounds as if there will be some interesting discussions when the Eagles convene for that first minicamp. A source close to McNabb acknowledged that the QB was disappointed in how teammates and fans reacted to the dispute with Owens, that McNabb feels after seven seasons in Philadelphia, and five playoff appearances, he should have earned more trust.

"It's going to take time" to get the Eagles back to where they once were, McNabb said yesterday. "It's nothing that can happen overnight... we all know what happened, with our team kind of being separated and all... what got us to four straight NFC championship [games], that was teamwork, that was playing together as one, and trusting the guy next to you."

Yesterday, it somehow seemed more than a year ago that a confident McNabb led the Birds into Super Bowl week. There were no questions then about support, from fans or teammates.

"Since I've last been here, I guess all hell broke loose," McNabb said. "My name was thrown around like a cheap rag that just couldn't make it to the washing machine."
McNabb said he can only repair the damage done to his name by getting back to where he was a year ago, and this time coming out on top, instead of three points short.

"I've been thrown under the bus, my name's been thrown out there for good and bad - it happened with Freddie [Mitchell]," McNabb said. "Now, T.O.'s a bigger name. It just so happens those guys are the best of friends now. What a coincidence. My name is always going to be a name that people will say, 'Hey, that's that guy that T.O. talked about.' Does that matter to me? No. Because once you get to the Super Bowl and win it, then that's what they'll talk about."

Asked about Owens' criticisms of him, McNabb said: "Remember, I don't play childish games. If one person tries to lead you in that direction, as a man, you have to make your own decision. I didn't go that direction."
McNabb's nightmarish season began with the aftermath of that 24-21 loss to New England, the flap over McNabb apparently being out of breath during the Eagles' final touchdown drive. Owens exploited that episode for his own reasons last spring, when the Birds wouldn't revise his contract and McNabb declined to intervene on his behalf.
Then, trying to get ready for training camp, McNabb did something to his abdomen, an injury that got worse and finally became public after the Eagles' victory over San Francisco in the second game of the 2005 season. At that point, McNabb and team management felt he could play with the injury.

"Going into training camp, I felt a little bit of pain in that area," McNabb said yesterday. "Just trying to train hard - that's the kind of thing that leads to a sports hernia, doing abdominal work, trying to get tight abs... You don't want to be by the pool with a T-shirt on while everybody else is in their bikini, right? That might have led to me tearing my stomach up a little bit."
McNabb has spent the last month or so rehabbing in Philadelphia. He said he plans to move that effort to his home in Arizona within a few weeks.

"My message, to be with the team, was to show everyone that I'm working hard, that I'm looking forward to changing things that obviously have happened this year, and that I'm looking forward to moving things in a positive direction, to where maybe we'll be the team representing the NFC again next year," he said.

Sports hernias are tricky; even after surgery, players have problems, especially if they rehab too aggressively.
"I've talked to a couple of other players who have had the surgery," McNabb said. "They say just when you feel like you're 100 percent, you can kind of tweak a spot or something like that. That's something I'm trying to avoid by making sure that I continue to rest. I want to get back into it and train hard, but the doctor told me kind of to relax, and if you start to feel pain, pull off a little bit. I'm just trying to give it some time."

Of course, McNabb was asked about Owens' visit to Denver this week, as agent Drew Rosenhaus tries to interest a team in trading for T.O.'s rights or signing him after his anticipated release by the Eagles next month. Someone asked if McNabb thought Owens would be a changed man.

"There's only one person that can answer that, and that's Terrell. I can't answer that. I don't think any of his San Francisco teammates can answer that. I don't even know if Drew Rosenhaus can answer it," said McNabb, who called Owens "a great player."

McNabb noted his close friendship with Denver's quarterback.
"I'm sure I'll probably get a call from Jake Plummer,'' McNabb said. "What will I tell him? That'll be between me and Jake."

Nah, I'm not pulling for either team. I simply just don't have any interest in watching the game this year.

I think alot of people here feel the same. This thread got real fucking boring after the afc/nfc championship games. It basically turned into a 'Drew/Cornell will you party?' thread. :hihi:

 :hihi:  Sorry, suckas!  Don't be poor sports.  :P

I cant stand Mcnabb. He's the 2nd most overrated quarterback in NFL history, behind Michael Vick. Hell, my mom even hates the guy. :hihi: There's something about him that has always rubbed people the wrong way. Whether its his talent(or lack thereof), his attitude, those Chunky soup commercials, or a different reason I'm not quite sure. Maybe its a combination of all the above. He will never get the respect that he thinks he deserves, and I believe his career is now on a downward spiral. He can never truly be the team "leader", and if your qb isn't respected by his teammates, then they will never win it all and there's no point in him being there. If I were the Eagles, I would trade him while he still has value on the market.

i agree. i hate mcnabb. as an eagles fan, he's given me a ton of great moments. but he just comes off as an ass.

he's more concerned with how people perceive him, than winning.

he's completely given up on running the ball. and without that element in his game, he's a less effective QB. every team used to spy him, but now they don't have to. and it's all because he's so concerned with being labeled a black QB.

PREDICTION TIME

this matchup is interesting. neither team has a true weakness. and they both do alot of things well. but i think the steelers are the better team. the AFC is such a stronger conference, and the steelers beat the top 3 seeds. very impressive.

they are on an unbelievable ride right now, and i don't see things changing. assuming roethlisberger handles the pressure ok (he is just a second year QB), the steelers will win.

steelers 27-17.

Pittsburgh 24-21




D Mcnabb lost lockeroom respect and came off as a whiny little pussy.  Say shit to T.O's face. dont get behind a camera and start being mr tough guy.

I saw a funny as hell SNL skit where they were doing a spoof on the situation and Donovan's mom said "Bret Favre is better than u" :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:


McNabb refuses to run cause he dont want to be stereotyped as a typical black QB.

this is so fuckin ridiculous.

U look at Mike Vick, Atlanta were 6-3 on their way to the playoffs, he starts listening to the media and decides to prove he can pass.

Atlanta go something like 2-5 and miss the playoffs.

U play the game using all your abilities, to do anything less is bad for the team.

McNabb is overrated, he rode a good running game and defense to the 4 NFC Title games.

Anyone notice how dramatic his stats turned around ONLY  after he got T.O?

Philly gave Brian Westbrook a huge extension and he has never even ran for 1,000 yards.

1,000 yards in the NFL today is nothing but yet he is payed like a great back which he isnt.

He is a third down back with slot receiver type skills.   They gotta get another Duce Stale type power back to be successful.

Philly have to stop tryin to rip their player's off and start rewarding them for doing great.

Works for me!  I have those numbers!  : ok:

ARE YOUR READY FOR SOME FOOTBALLL!!!!!!! :beer: :smoking:

I was gonna go for Seattle, but everyone coming over to my place tommorrow is going for Sea, so I gotta be the other side now, so I'm rooting for the steelers.

34-24 :hihi: I have no idea how to pick the spread.

I would go for seattle since I'm an NFC guy and holmgren is their coach, but it's the Bus' final year, so I just want to see a good game, don't care who wins.  At least New England isn't playing :beer:

 I think Pittsburgh will win by a couple touchdowns. At least I hope they do. I just cant imagine Seattle being Superbowl Champions. With this being Bettis's last game, they are going to do everything in their power to get him a ring. I would love to see him break the most rushing yards in a Superbowl record.

D, you made some great points about Mcnabb.

IF Seattle loses, damn, the suicide rate will skyrocket.  Seahawks football is the only thing in their lives that keeps them going at this point.

Considering the fact that Seattle hasn't done shit in their entire NFL history, there had to be at least one other thing that kept their fans going all these years. :hihi:

 :hihi:  No kidding!

I was in Pittsburgh last weekend and they sure have some passionate fans!

Seattle just depresses the fuck out of me.  Ever been there?  you see the young people and it's like they have no future.  And ALL that rain.  And hardly any sunshine.

Seatle 31 Pittsburgh 28...Hasselbeck wins MVP.

Let me break it down Brandon Lang "2 for the money" Style.



Seattle played in one of the weakest divisions and played a super easy schedule.



Pittsburgh went 11-5 although Roethlisberger missed some games due to injury if not they probably go 13-3.

Pittsburgh are so much more physical than Seattle, Alexander will not be able to run and Hasselback will turn the ball over having to throw against Pittsburgh.

Parker and Bettis will run ok but Ben will control the game, Hines Ward and Randle El will have nice games.

I picked a 24-21 game but dont be shocked to see Pittsburgh blow them out 31-10 or something.


Remember, Seattle won by having an enormous home field advantage.

Pitt went to and beat Jacksonville *A very very tough team* went and knocked off the invincible Colts, and then to top it off, they go to one of the hardest places in the NFL to play in Denver and spank the Broncos.

Peyton Manning,Jake Plummer couldnt deal with the blitz, how do u think Matt Hasselback is gonna deal with it.

Put your cash on Pittsburgh.

Seattle 25

Pittsburgh 18

my guess for final score

MVP: Brandon Lang  :hihi:

Woo Hoo!!!  Stealers are Superbowl Champions again!! :beer:

My numbers didn't win, but I bet some guy $100 that Stealers would win by more that 7!  ;D

I was for Pittsburgh until the 4th quarter

Seattle got so blatantly fucked by the refs that I couldnt believe it.

Seattle got cheated big time in this game.

horrible call after horrible call went against them.


Ben DID NOT get into the end zone

That pass interference call on Seattle taking away the TD was bullshit

The holding penalty on Seattle was Bullshit that negated their first and goal.

the 15 yard penalty on Hasselback for tackling the INT returner was BUllshit.

2 holding penalties on that Randle El to Hines Ward pass wasnt called.

Seattle got a little jipped.


However

Mike Holmgren was a fuckin moron, he called an unbelievably ignorant game.

No truer words have ever been spoken. :hihi: I agree with you also about the shitty calls, but the refs shouldn't of even factored into the game. Pittsburgh couldn't do shit in the 1st quarter, and Seattle should have put them away early. It would have taken Pittsburgh by surprise, and they couldn't have relied on their running game. But like you said, Holmgren was a moron, and acted like he had no fucking idea what to do. Any other team would have destroyed Pittsburgh considering the very slow start they had. The Seahawks handed the Lombardi trophy to the Steelers on a silver platter. This Steelers team is the weakest Superbowl champions the NFL has seen in a long time.

What sore losers!  :yes:

Seattle got damn lucky that someone touched Seattle's QB briefly because he screwed up and fumbled.  Lucky break for Seattle - too bad they couldn't act on it.  ::)

Why in the hell after that pass interference call did Holmgren call a run play twice, once on 1st and 20 and then on 2nd and 19.

They were passing all over Pittsburgh, they could not stop Seattle. Holmgren called run plays and they got knocked out of FG range.

Then at the end of the 2nd Quarter, they waste 28 seconds off the clock by callin a totally pointless moronic run play when they shouldve been passing!!!

They made their poor FG kicker attempt two 50 plus yard FG's and thats too much to ask of a kicker.

It was definitely the worst possible gameplan they could have had. Isn't Holmgren supposed to be a genius? :hihi: Had Carolina made it, they would have been up 3 touchdowns in the first quarter. You're right about the kicker. You cant put the team's weight on his shoulders unless its the last few seconds of the game and he can seal the victory. Holmgren should step down as head coach.

hop. i was watchin TV last night, around midnight (here in france) and FRANCE 2 , big mainstream channel, was showing the superbowl live. ahah
that was funny :)
so watch a little. and it's not that bad. it was kinda interesting, i only watched a couple minutes, so i dunno if the game was good. but us football looked better than i remembered
i remember being BORED at the game when i was in college in the US, like i was playing game boy ....
but last night, it looked fun on tv :)

big ben choked. and pittsburgh still won by 11 points. seattle just isn't a great team. they are a good team, not great.

the difference was big plays. the steelers made them, and seattle did not.

did anyone bet the game? i was nervous during the last 10 minutes. cause if seattle had scored a TD, all the money bet on the game would have come down to a 2-point conversion.
 
cause it was 21-10 - if seattle scores they would have gone for 2. so seattle would have either been down by 3 (if they made it), or down by 5 (if the 2-point conversion was unsuccessful). and the line was 4. that would have been insane!

Seattle did make the big plays, they just got overturned by horseshit calls.

The touchdown in the first quarter wasn't Offensive pass interference.
The pass that brought Seattle to the one yardline, not only wasn't a hold, but the Pittsburg End was off sides.
Also there was a blatant hold on the Randell El to Ward touchdown that should have called it back.

Thats a 21 point swing.

uh, yes it was
 it was a small push off - but when you do that kind of thing RIGHT IN FRONT of a fucking ref you're gonna get called for it

 the ref was RIGHT THERE. They'll call that everytime when it's right in front of them

I don't remember this one - trying to remember it...


I didn't see one.  That was a SWEET gaget play!  :yes: I mean, he was still running while throwing it & it couldn't have been a more perfect pass !  Face it!

Great Pass, he was an amazing college quarterback (better than his current pro quarterback(in college that is)) but when you are freed in the reverse with a hold.... It really doesn't matter.

If you call them on one team, call them on both.

the pushoff WAS a penalty. it seems like a weak call, but it's one that has to be called. it was a mistake by the seattle WR.

the seahawks made one big play, and it was by the defense.

they didn't lose because of the refs, they lost because...

- stevens dropped 3 huge passes (including one that would have put them inside the 10).
- hasslebeck threw a horrible interception when they had a great drive going.
- they committed stupid holding penalties that brought back big passing plays and a big punt return.
- their punter had an awful game.
- they gave up a 75 yard TD run. totally inexcusable. i don't care how great pitt's blocking was, the reason it went for 7 was because seattle's safety made a mistake.
- absolutely horrible clock management before the half.     

Explain to me the 15 yard penalty on Hasselback after the pick when he made the tackle?


That was bullshit!


Jerammy stevens talked all that shit and dropped 3 critical passes that a damn high school TE could catch.


There were some bad calls, but even if Ben's TD was ruled not a TD, they would've had 4th and about 2 inches so im fully confident they would've walked it in.

Holmgren got outcoached.

they were down 7-3, were across midfield on about the 35 and had 43 seconds and a Time Out.


they fucking run the football, let the clock go down to 13 seconds!

U cant do that in the SB.

Also after the questionable Pass Interference call in the end zone, Holmgren on 1st and 20 and then 2and and 19, RUNS THE BALL! what a dumbass!

Darryl Jackson had 5 catches for 50 yards in the first quarter and Pitt could not stop the passing game.

But holmgren stops throwing!

DUMB DUMB DUMB coaching cost Seattle the SB.

Hasselback just sucked, the guy is terrible under pressure, and he has no ability to think on the fly.

 :rofl:  Are you serious?

Hasselback played a hell of a lot better than Rothlisberger.  Hasselbeck made two bad plays and that was it.  He threw an interception and he audibled twice while the clock was going down in the first half.  Other than that, he played well.  Shit, Rothlisberger only completed like 9 passes and threw 2 interceptions. 

And for those who think that it was a bad call to run the ball with 49 seconds left in the first half are wrong.  I will tell you why.  If seattle passes the ball twice there and they are both incomplete, Pittsburgh gets the ball back with around 35 seconds left and could possibly score.  By running the ball, you not only get into field goal range and give your kicker a chance to kick a field goal, but it takes some time off the clock so if you don't make it on 3rd, pittsburgh doesn't have nearly as much time to score.  And if Seattle does make a first down on 3rd down, they have enough timeouts still to get a shot at the touchdown.  The problem however, was not the playcall, it was Hasselbeck taking too much time at the line of scrimmage.   

The fact of the matter is, Seattle dominated the game, but huge horseshit penalties prevented them from finishing there drives off.  And really, Pittsburgh only had 3 plays.  Don't get me wrong, give them credit because they were big plays, but that was it.  Seattle averaged over 4 yards per carry on the ground and passed the ball well.  They just got two touchdowns taken away from them by the reffs.  I hate to blame a game on reffs, because usually they will make a call that will even out things, but they were shitty yesterday in Pittsburgh's favor. 

How about this one?  Hasselbeck completes a pass to Stevens down on Pittsburghs 1 yard line.  It was brought back due to a holding call, that wasn't even close.  Even John Madden said it was a bad call.  Then Hasselback throws a pick (Seattle's fault), and to top that off he gets penalized for making a tackle on the guy.  The reffs said it was an illegal block.  How in the hell do you get an illegal block when you tackling a guy?  So now, Pitt has the ball in Seattle territory and scores on the next play.  So instead of it being 17-14 Seattle in the 4th QT, it's 21-10 Pitt.  That was the turning point in the game.

Seattle didn't play perfect (two dropped passes, 1 interception, and bad clock management), but they actually outplayed Pittsburgh, and it was a shame the the reffs had so much of an impact on the game.     

If you don't know anything about Seattle, which most of you don't because you don't watch them enough or hear about them much.? Then don't make such idiotic and ignorant remarks.? Holmgren turned Seattle around from there dismal 8-8 seasons, and took them to a Super Bowl.? They had the best offense in the league, they led the league in sacks, and they went 15-4 on the season.? Holmgren has turned Seattle into a great football team, and they will be good again next season.?  ?

By the way, I love how you say Carlolina would have been 3 touchdowns up after the first.? Well, Seattle dominated Carolina in every facit of the game.? Next, are you guys going to tell me Seattle was lucky all season?? It will be nothing new, I've heard it already from people on TV who have no clue about Seattle.? If you don't know anything about a team, you shouldn't say much.? ?

Yeah, I know.? I'm a little bitter, but when it's your teams first appearance in a Super Bowl and you get screwed by some calls.? You get a little frustrated.? I will be alright in a couple of days however.? : ok:

Oh i guess I saw it wrong when Hasselback kept throwing the ball away out of bounds or, when he stood there and called audibles for like 20 seconds each time, or getting out of the pocket and looking like he was lost or trying to run the ball on that one play and he tried to squeeze a couple extra yards out of the rush instead of sliding after he got the first down. I beleive that was a fumble. (or it should've been) or totally misjudging the routes of his receivers

I know Rothesberger didn't play the greatest either but he always knew where he was on the feild, the play that stands out most right now was when he broke a tackle and got out of the pocket but had the wherewithall to know where the line of scrimmage was and stopped short and threw for a first down. another was realizing 2 open lanes for a qb rush and taking advantage.

Also there were controvesrial calls and it was kinda a shame that they had such and impact, I'll agree with you on that. (something like Sea 70yds lost to pit 20 yds lost) but, SEA made some dumb calls. what about the 2 50yd feild goal attempts? that's just stupid, giving up feild advantage like that. also the wideouts playing so close to the sidelines and catching balls oob.

Also Hasslebeck is a 7 year vet and this is Rothesberger's 2nd year. I thought Ben played way better in the 2nd half than he did in the first. 2nd half Rothesberger was 4 for 8 on passing attempts and Hasslebeck was 12 for 27.

Dude Seattle are Ok but they only played in the 2nd worst division in football.

They got to play SF and Arizona twice, I mean thats 4 gimme wins alone and St Louis were down, so come on.

The Win over Dallas was the luckiest shit ever and the way they beat the Giants in the regular season was lucky as hell as well. Seattle were a good not great team.

Seattle played a weak ass schedule and lost to the 6 seed in the AFC

watching Seattle yesterday was a repeat of watching Philly choke last year.

U dont run the ball with 40 seconds to go and on the 35 yard line.

that clock ran from 41 to 13 after that horrible call.

they were OWNING pittsburgh all day throwing the ball.

its like after the pass interference that wiped out the TD.

Why did Holmgren call run plays on 1st and 20 and then 2nd and 19?

He bitched out and played for a FG.

the refs made some bad calls, but Mike Holmgren coached like a pussy. Got conservative when he should've went for the kill.

dont get me started on Jerammy Stevens bitch ass.

Dropping passes that a high school TE could catch blew the game for Seattle as well.

Seattle didnt deserve to win due to their stupid horrendous playcalling and clock management.

Your insults are pathetic. The few people who post in this thread all have damn good knowledge of football, and we all know who Seattle is. No one comes to this thread to be insulted by you. If you can only discuss football on an immature level, then you shouldn't even bother posting. Oh well, it doesn't matter. The season's over, and I don't care about the pro bowl.


 I'll see the rest of you guys in this thread next season. :beer:

To be honest, I was just a little pissed off after yesterday's game.  When you've been a Seattle fan for your whole life and they haven't done a damn thing, the super bowl is a big deal.  And to get screwed on some calls makes it tough.  Then I come on hear and I read comments like yours about Holmgen.  C'mon, I was just pointing out that Seattle is a pretty damn good football team, in which Holmgren turned around.? Immature level is you saying that Holmgren should step down.? That's just plain stupid.? Please admit when your wrong.? ?? ?

 

I'm not denying that Seattle played in a week division but give me a break,?they made it to the Super Bowl.? Your going to tell me that it was all luck?? Teams don't go to the super bowl by being lucky.? You say they lost to a 6th seed.? So did the Colts and Broncos.?

And c'mon, I will give you the Giants game.? I say that was lucky also, but not Dallas.? The Seattle player intercepted a pass at the end of the game and the kicker made a 50 plus yrd field goal.? Seattle deserves the credit there.? What, Dallas missed one field goal?? If your going to say that was luck, then Seattle should have won their earlier game against Washington when there kicker missed a field goal.? I agree with the Giants though.? What a choke job by the kicker.? ?

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 ???? What are you talking about?? Quarterbacks throw the ball out of bounds all the time if nobody is open.? And how many times did he do it?? Twice?? ?:hihi:? Quarterbacks also call audibles all the time depending on what the defense is doing.? ?::)? And, it wasn't a fumble.? The replay showed that they guy touched him on his way down.? And the ground can't cause a fumble.? Have you ever heard of that rule?

Yeah i know that rule. and it was a very brutal hit too.  ::)

BTW, Do you know the offensive pass interference rule? :hihi:

I know audibles are called all the time, but with time running out & the offense behind, do they let the clock tick down forever? nooooooo Sea is lucky that Pit used a timeout there cuz at least it gave Sea a chance to make a play

i'm an eagles/philly fan, so i know exactly how you feel. no championships in ANY sport in 23 years.

but blaming the refs is weak. bad calls by refs is part of sports. great teams overcome that (think pitt vs. indy).

and seattle COULD have overcome those bad calls. but they made a TON of mistakes. they have no one to blame but themselves.

so blame your coach, your QB, your punter, your kicker, your TE. cause that's why they lost.

one more thing that i don't think has been mentioned yet....

why didn't holmgren kick the freakin FG with 40 seconds left in the game???

madden and michaels had to control themselves to not call him an idiot. tying the game was not likely no matter what you try, but you never know.

Ok, I never blamed the reffs.? I was just saying that it was a shame that they played such a huge role in the game.? I know Seattle didn't play there best, but if you go by stats, they played better than Pittsburgh.? They outplayed them in every statistic.  But give Pittsburgh credit, because they made 3 big plays compared to     Seattle's 1.?

And I also never said it wasn't Hasselbecks fault at the end of the first half.? It was.? He took way too much time.? Also, for the guy who asked why didn't Holmgren kick a field goal.? Well, you have two options there.? Just because Madden said it was the thing to do, doesn't mean that every coach needs to do it.? If you score a quick touchdown, and get the onside kick.? Now, you only have a few yards to go.

My only point is that I was frustrated by the game, and when I came on here to look at comments, I get "Holmgren should step down", "Hasselbeck folds under pressure", "Seattle got lucky all season"-? ? ?These things kind of pissed me off, because they are far from the truth.? As I have said before, Holmgren turned this franchise around.? Hasselbeck doesn't fold under pressure.? The Super Bowl isn't the only game where there is pressure, and besides a couple of situations, he played pretty well.? Look at the Carolina game.? Your telling me there's no pressure in that game?? And Hasselbeck dominated Carolina.? And as for being lucky, you don't go to a super bowl on luck.

These are the things I was upset about.? And yes, Seattle could have overcome bad calls, but it was just a shame that the reffs had so much of an impact on the outcome.? You can't deny that, it's all over the TV with people saying the reffs should be fined.? Even Steeler fans after the game said of couple of things about the good calls for them.? One guy said "Yeah, we got a little help from the reffs, but I'm still excited".? Good for them, I'm not taking anything away from Pitt, but don't sit here and tell me how Holmgren should be fired, or were lucky, or Hasselbeck folds.?

I blame the refs.......

The blew the game in a one minute strech with three bad alls that should get that whole crew suspended.

1. Pitt Defender jumps offsides (missed call), but the offensive takle is called for a "phantom" hold (wrong call) that brings back a pass inside the one yard line. (Seattle would have a 90% chance of of going up 17-14)

2. Hassleback throws a pick (again his fault) but it then called for an illegal chop block while successfully tackling the returner. which then puts Pitt at midfield. (I can see if he missed the returner and cut one of his blockers, but how do you call a tackler for a chop block)

3. On the very next play from scrimage Pitt Scores on a Randel El to Ward touchdown pass that was made possible by 2 (yes 2) holds (apparently we aren't calling them on this side of the field).

With the excpetion if the 75 yard run and this gadget play (that should have been called back) Pitt had next to no offense.

If not for that block of 4 plays (skipped a non important play before the int) then Holmgren wouldn't have been put in the position of bad clock managment.

So yes Holmgren in essence lost the game, but you usually only have to worry about one opponent (Pitt) in the Super Bowl, not 2 (Pitt and a piss poor Officiating Crew)

Thanks for atleast one person seeing what I saw.   : ok:

Alright, let's have a little fun here...

I posted this in my blog, let's put it here too.

06 February 2006 @ 11:37 am
The Super Fix 
Oh boy, where do I begin?

Last night's Super Bowl was an absolute travesty. This is the one night a year for which companies save all their best commercials. The NFL's two best teams take the field in the greatest game of the year with the best broadcasters and best officials on hand. The halftime show features the best musical acts. This year's game was anything but the great spectacle the NFL usually has.

First off, the teams both played like crap. Jerramy Stevens drops something like five passes while catching two, both QB's toss gift-wrapped interceptions, and the Steelers have to rely on a cheezy trick play to score the TD that locks the door on the game.

Once again, we get stuck with Al Michaels and John Madden. Now Michaels I don't mind-- he knows his shit and does well announcing any sport. Madden needs to get the fuck off my TV. John Madden is soft on criticizing officials and soft on criticizing players. I want someone who will rip into someone when they deserve it. The NFL needs its own Don Cherry. Someone controversial, someone who will speak his mind, someone who isn't afraid of offending people. Madden doesn't cut it.

Then comes the officiating. How the hell does Roethlisberger's TD get called? The official marked the ball down, THEN reverses his call after Benny shoves the ball over the goal line once he was down. The pass interference penalty-- it wasn't going to be called until the steeler's DB complained. How the hell does Joey Porter get away with a horse-collar tackle on Hasselbeck? How does Hasselbeck get called for an illegal block when he's making a tackle? And did anyone else notice all the spots in and out of commercials with players holding the Lombardi trophy featured almost entirely Steelers?

The coaching was subpar as well. Holmgren relied almost entirely on passing despite having a running back who set a league record for TD's. 74 offensive plays, only 20 went to Shaun Alexander. 49 passes, 5 runs by other players. WHY? I'll have more to say on Holmgren later.

The commercials, while not being a vital part of the game were boring. Most years, the commercials in the Super Bowl are the best of the year, some topping previous Super Bowls. This year, there were maybe three memorable commercials-- the FedEx cavemen, the fly and the difibulator, and the streaker at the clydesdale football game. The rest were pathetic. As for the halftime show, Mick Jagger and the Stones need to hang it up. You're done. The halftime show was terrible-- overdone with underwhelming results. Fix your audio.

I really believe this one was fixed, just like the Packers' loss in SB XXXII (where Holmgren was coaching). Holmgren told the Packers' D just to lie down and let Terrell Davis score what became the game-winning TD so there would be enough time on the clock to mount a final drive. When the Packers got the ball back, Holmgren called all running plays-- no passes that one would expect in trying to make a final score.

Still not convinced? SB XXX, Dallas vs. Pittsburgh. Neil O'Donnell leads the league with the fewest interceptions per passing attempt in the NFL. And yet, he manages to throw two interceptions, both to Larry Brown. Brown gets named MVP, he and O'Donnell go on to sign huge free agent contracts with the Raiders and Jets, respectively, and finish careers of mediocrity.  A nice little bribe there.

Want more? SB XXXVI, Patriots vs. Rams. Vinatieri kicks a field goal to win the game, but the final two seconds tick off the clock, rather than stopping to possibly give the Rams a chance to run back the ensuing kickoff. The Patriots HAD to win-- This was early 2002, just after the September 11 attacks. Think about it. Nice way to boost the morale of the country in a semi-subliminal way. The Patriots won, therefore the American patriots were going to win the war against the 9/11 attackers. Way to drum up the support there, guys. It worked to get us into Iraq.

How about SB III? Namath guarantees victory, and gets it despite being 18-point underdogs. Somehow, a guy named Weeb outcoaches Don Shula, the man who became the NFL's winningest coach and led the Dolphins to a perfect 1972 season. If the NFL beat the AFL again, no one would really care as much. This brought a ton of publicity to the NFL and AFL, especially to their merger. Over $100 million dollars in TV contracts came because of this one game.  Now the two leagues, uniting as one, looked to be truly more even than they were before this game. The public supported the game of football more than it ever had before.

For more on these ideas, I give you this to read: http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/article/id1634/pg1/  It goes into further detail on fixed games in the NFL-- not only Super Bowls, but playoffs and regular season games as well.

Makes you think a little differently about the "game," doesn't it?  Or maybe not.

The Super Bowl? I say it super blows.

whoever wrote this has obviously never played competitive sports before. or ever felt the pressure of playing in a big game, at any level.

hay,just wondering if you guys can help me out.i collect NFL jerseys and i have about 30 tops now.there all replica jerseys and last week i bought my first authentic raiders jersey (black #18 Moss) and i realized that the numbers on the arms are actually on the shoulders.the one axl wore in 2002 has the numbers on the bottom of the sleeves,not the shoulders.does anybody know where i can get a white raiders authentic jersey with the number on the bottom of the sleeve rather than the shoulder.

do you guys know of any sites that do authentic,replica jerseys and i was wondering,how much is an authentic jersey in the shops in the USA.ANY INFO WILL BE APPREACIATED  :beer:

Go to NFL.com and order one of their free catalogs. They have shitloads of different jerseys. Thats probably where Axl got his. :hihi: The real jerseys are pretty expensive.

thanxs james but i think NFL.COM is a US based site,i forgot to mention im from the UK and i get charged quite a lot of tax on jerseys that i order from the US.im trying to get the tops from the UK or is there a way of not having to pay tax on jerseys i buy from the US?

I'm not sure. Tomorrow I will go through some of my stuff and see if I still have one of my catalogs, and I'll see if they charge more for UK buyers.

cheers james but from what i understand,its the customs over here in the UK that charge the 17.5% tax on all goods from outside europe exceeding 30 british pounds.

EDIT:i know this discussion has no relevence here but i dont know where else to ask and i didnt want to start a new thread  :peace:.plus where else am i gonna find NFL fans  : ok:

Here are the top 8 picks so far in the 2006 NFL draft.

Pk Team Player                         Pos
1. Houston Mario Williams         DE
2. New Orleans Reggie Bush     RB
3. Tennessee Vince Young         QB
4. NY Jets D. Ferguson               OT
5. Green Bay A.J. Hawk              OLB
6. San Francisco Vernon Davis    TE
7. Oakland Michael Huff               S
8. Buffalo Donte Whitner             S


I'm shocked that Matt Leinart was not picked yet.  :o

Leinart came in at 10th with Arizona : ok: