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INJURY FORCES GUNS N' ROSES TO POSTPONE CONCERTS

Guns N' Roses have announced that they are postponing the start of their world tour which was due to start in Japan.

The Japanese concerts are being rescheduled. Guns N' Roses will be able to make their two scheduled performances headlining the MyCoke festivals in South Africa at the end of the month.

"I feel so bad right now,? explains bassist Tommy Stinson. ?I accidentally fell down a flight of stairs. I put my hand down to break my fall and heard a loud ?pop.' The next morning my hand looked like a balloon. I went to see my doctor and while the good news is that it?s not broken, the bad is news is it?s severely sprained and I may have done some ligament damage. We had our last rehearsal a few days ago and shipped the gear to Japan and then this happened. I feel horrible.

"I'd like to apologize to our Japanese fans that were looking forward to seeing us and know that we will we see you all soon. Again, we'd like to sincerely thank our fans worldwide for their patience and support."


http://www.creativeman.co.jp/2007/GNR_special/index.html


No.. Again

 :nervous: :no: :crying:

If this is true, that really sucks :(  Best wishes to Tommy for a speedy recovery.

I hope it's not true, but if it is, I hope Tommy gets well soon.

And I hope the Japanese don't take it too bad.  :(

You've got to be kidding ?!?!?   :-\

Shit happens (assuming it is true.)

Pitman on bass?

if this is true, we should get confirmation on GNR's site in the next 24 hours I'd assume.

damn it

I hope, if this is true, that Tommy recovers from the injury soon.

hahah o man this band is fuckign crazy with bad luck sometimes

Horrible news - here's to a speedy recovery from Tommy!

 good luck & patiernce Tommy...

:crying: :crying: :crying:

HBK *

We should prolly all calm down and check out gunsnroses.com tomorrow...  If this is true they HAVE TO update their site for a change, don't they?!?!?! 

This is what I call bad luck... Guns N' Roses sellout the first 5 shows of the tour and a think like this occurs.

I find very difficult to find a proper bassist to make 5 gigs... one thing is a two song set, another is 5 shows...

Relax guys.

Is this source reliable??

According to a poster over at rosesofvelvet - the announcement is on the promoter's website and it says that the band is looking to reschedule for July..

WOW...really didn't think this could happen again.  I'm sure someones said it already, but PITMAN should fill in again!

It's Dreamline, he's Japanese. Said he read it in a newspaper.

Damn, so I guess its true... :(

Dreamline is Japanese and someone I would believe.

um.. that's a lot of bad luck and bad timing for one band LOL

but seriously, i hope Tommy gets well soon! :yes: it's just so unfortunate, but the most important thing is that he recovers well and this doesn't leave sequels for him ya know?

Geesh this is worse than Spinal Tap

Here's hoping they use the time productively to finish off the mixing and release the fucking album.

This could turn out to be a good thing if it allows Axl the time to finish off the album. If they really wanted to do these shows they could just move Chris to bass anyway. Chris proved he could fill in for Tommy at the fashion show.

Roadrunner claims a press release states the shows have been postponed.  Nothing at gunsnroses.com at the time of my post.

Unfuckingbelievable that something like "falling down the stairs" is what is postponing the tour.  I have no reason not to believe Tommy, but it's a hackneyed excuse for an injury you care not to disclose.  Coincidence?  Yeah, I think so.  Morbidly funny?  Also yes.  Get better, Tommy!

Perhaps this is karma guys. I don't mean that Tommy deserved this to happen to him, but I don't think it was right of Axl and the band to start another albumless tour!!

I think this is just more GNR lies.

The probably still havent finished working on CD. Its just too convienient that time is running out and Axl still hasnt handed the record over.

This band has become such a mockery of itself. It's quite embarrassing.

I thought the world was full of 3 types of people, Arseholes, Pussies and pricks.  And pricks fuck pussies because they can, but arseholes shit all over the place because that is what they do, so pricks have to fuck arseholes to stop them shitting on pussies ... ?   8)

Yeah but a prick wants to be in an asshole and a pussy wants that prick so it pretends to be an asshole?.so we are all asshole just at different types.


then again maybe I have had too many beers.

The fall down the stairs excuse has been done to death, used to work when I was at school 20 years ago! but he said he fell down accidently and not deliberately so at least he comfirmed his intent. ?This story ranks along side buckethead sickness in 2003 and not far off jason newstead pulling his back last year on the eve of his rockstar farce.
Basically would be better (and more honest) to say, album not done, axl needs little more time...sorry they used that one at xmas...ok this excuse will have to do.

GN'R is so cute!

this band is just haunted by bad luck; I was skeptical that they would finish this tour, but I did not expect that the tour will go wrong from the beginning....the good thing is: now they should have enough time to find new management and PUT THE FUCKIN ALBUM OUT!!

Get better soon Tommy!

How could it be more confirmed than it is now? It is coming from the TOUR PROMOTER in Japan....they should know if the tour they promote and propably paid for is canceled, don`t you think?

On Tommys website there are only the South African tour dates....

Man, sometimes It's just too fucking hard to be a GN'R fan :no:

How come nothing can go right with this band ?

Didn't Axl agree to shows without the guitar player? I'm not sure BBF was actualy hired a week before? Wasn't that a comment not to be taken literally? I can't recall but I'm sure that was a joke. I might be wrong :)

Either way the Japanese fans will still get their shows I am sure. There is time between South Africa and Australia.

Has this been confirmed????????

It's only on Blabbermouth so far. So not officially.

well. it's bad luck. and it could happen to anyone.
unlike usually, this time I aint bitching. it's vis maior...

and if anyone could fill in on the bass, it's bbf. he's quite experienced with it...


but we  can wait at least a month.
this incident can only help get the album wraped up faster.

hmmmmmmmmmm

Thanks for your contribution to the discussion. ::)

In the next few days, you'll hear from the Pigeons of Shit Metal thet Tommy broke his hand by punching Axl while the rest of the bad booed and threw their instruments at them.

Let the conspiracy theories begin...

Any other band, people would think Tommy is injured and recovering.

This band, specualtion will run until the album drops!

that is some bad luck dude! :no:

i think there was more to that story than we were told.. not saying axl and tommy got into a fist fight, but i think there was an issue maybe on going between the two

Where's Jarmo??
We need confirmation.  :yes:

Damn it! It?s like GNR?s plans always are fucked for one reason or another.

Anyways, I wish Tommy my best wishes and a good recovery :love:


EDIT: This isn?t in the official site yet.

I have a hard time believeing it. sorry. "falling down the stairs"? thats as bad an excuse as dog eating your homework.

My bet is they postponed the japanese tour to finsih up chinese democracy. They couldnt use the same excuse twice could they? had to mix it up!

Oh Damm it!  :no:

if it is in fact like you are saying, that it might be to finish up CD, I think it's great that tommy is the one saying that it is because of him it get postponed. so that axl wont get blamed..


although i hope that it aint true at all

i was thinking that but would they really lie??? i don't know. maybe, the stakes are high.

i hope it's not true.

and if it is, i hope it's not drug related (since Tommy has a history of drug use).

True or not. Once again, GNR sinks to the ocassion . . . They cancel way too many concerts.

I guarantee that if GNR wanted to play in Japan, they could get a replacement bassist in time. There are lots of professional musicians out there that would jump at the chance to fill in. If you don't play an instrument yourself, you may not realize there are really musicians out there that could learn songs in hours. It might not be the same as how Duff or Tommy might play "Welcome to the Jungle", but hell . . . fans would understand.

Come on Axl . . . take a chance for once!

it's really not that simple.
and "take a chance for once?"
axl is taking the biggest chance in rock n' roll history with this project!

Exactly, thats why I think the reason is to finish chinese democracy. Its SO easy to find a replacement bassist. its not like hes an original member. Heck, when Tommy lee broke his hand, Motley crue still did like 1-3 shows without him.(he was there he just didnt play).

they could easily strap a bass on pitman

Well that's bullshit.


Well you may not realise that in a band if you lose one of your members especially one of the rhythm section it's really quite different if you have someone 'fill in'.
Adding to the fact they haven't just lost their bass player but also musical director of the last 10 years.



Motley Crue.. yeah there's a band with integrity that are comparable to GN'R.  How many reality tv shows have those guys had to try and restart their bloated terrible careers? Four? Five?
Those backing tapes they use and intervals in the concert are sure handy too.

Why wouldn't they lie man??  ???

They're not messiahs.  :no:  :confused:

I could have sworn they just did a show without Tommy Stinson on bass. 

Yeah, I cant believe how narcissistic some people are on here.  Why would the have their bassist make up an injury?....only on a gnr forum.

Pitman was on bass.  :smoking:

woah, wtf dude, pitman does have other duties.. and it aint just so simple to replace tommy like that, even if it was, you couldn't take pitman, he's already in the band doing other stuff ::)


yeah pitman played KOHD and SCOM on the versace thingie, but that was just 2 songs not a whole show

I've seen people do and say a lot of weird things in my time dude so, no offense intended but, nothing surprises me anymore.  :no:  :P

 Man that shit hurts. Hope for a swift recovery!

I wonder if this is the "suprise" Axl was talking about in the interview.

But it's NOT SO easy to find a replacement bassist for an original member of The Replacements who is the replacement for the original bassist for GNR.? :hihi:


Get Well Soon, Tommy. ? :-*

This is just unbeliavable, just so Guns N Roses. Hope Tommy gets okay !

And I hope Japanese fans don't lose their patience... *ahem*

What next ? More finishing touches ?

Are you saying GNR doesn't have an excessive number of cancellations? Perhaps, you don't remember January 2007. Remember when Buckethead came down with a stomach ailment in 2001 cancelling the European Tour? Nevermind 2002 or 2004.

John Entwistle, bassist of the Who drops dead June 27, 2004. The Who are playing again July 3, 2004 with Pino Pallidino on bass. Case closed. They would've started sooner if it wasn't for the funeral.

Back in GNR's heyday they got replacement musicians on short notice. Fred Coury of Cinderella substituted for Steve Adler on short notice in 1988. Another rhythm replacement. Oh yeah, and Frank Ferrer substituted for Brain on short notice. Need I go on!

I sure hope so

Yeah this injury is fn painful.  I tore ligaments in my ankle a few years ago and was sidelined for about 3 months.  Severe sprains can be worse than broken bones.  Japan will have to wait until "the General" is healed to see GNR again which kinda sucks but ...SHIT HAPPENS.  Get well Tommy Boy.

Guess What? I actually tore ligaments at a Primus Concert in NYC by...Falling down the stairs.  Had one too many drinks :beer:

Yeah, shit happens.  You really think they would make this kind of shit up?

This is just unbelievable. ?True or not, the fact is that GnR should stop cancelling concerts for nothing...just like someone written up there.

Get well soon Tommy !

this sucks, well now they can do shit with cd.

yeah they can, recording is done, they just can't play shows.. they could even shoot a video...

Sorry. ?I still don't beleive these shows are cancelled. ?Axl and the band has told us numorous times that the best place to get information regarding GNR is gunsnroses.com. ?I look there and all I see is the announcement about the tour.

man,, what a way to start the day.. bad news.. but still.. as far as i'm concerned , i will not believe this until I see it on gunsnroses.com ..  :crying:

Man, this is getting more ridiculous by the week. I mean, come on! A bass player is pretty easy to replace, and it's not as if Tommy is a member that all the Japanese fans are desperately waiting for. And he can still be the musical director without actually playing bass, his mouth is still working.

This sounds like bogus to me; if true. I think that GnR should really come forward with a statement about everything, this way they keep losing credibility, and there's not much left.

^^^^ yeah what he said!  This isn't verified yet, not until a 'statement' is posted on gunsnroses.com.

see what years of silence and half truths does to a fanbase? A guy gets hurt and we cant even trust the damn news...WTF :-\

Why do u all blame GNR, like THIS SUCKS they can replace him anytime, like they did last with Chris.

this happened this weak, the tour starts this weekend, anyone know how hard to find someone before that time,  letting him learn all the songs(new ones through a computer given by AX)

this is just an injury he'll be better in the couple of days, and the man's right wait till there's something on GNR.com or else the tour is just going to happen.

this could happen to anybody.

well, i dont belive it before www.gunsnroses.com says something... so.. lets not take this for fact yet..  :beer:

So you pieces of shit are blaming guns n' roses for something that tommy did ?


pathetic.

I'm really hoping that the theories floating around about the similarities between the Tommy situation and the BH illness are not true at all.

thats what i was saying by saying they cand do shit with cd now i mean they can get going and promote if recording is done. decide on a single, shoot a vid, anything besides sit around and say when should we finish recording another 10 years sound good?

99.9 percent of every theory on this message board is false  : ok:

What a bunch of cry babies some of you are.

First you spend years saying this isn't a real band, but when they postpone five shows because the band's musical director/bass player is injured, you cry for a replacement.

Un-fucking-believable.


Keep comparing GN'R to all the money grabbing bands, because as we all know, GN'R is just another band..... That's why we all love GN'R, they're just like everybody else. Right?  ::)



It sucks that they had to cancel, but these things happen.

They know what's best for them, it's not up to you to decide.




/jarmo

Here we go again...lumping the people who complain about one thing with the people who complain about a totally different thing.

So it's definitely true Jarmo?

I agree ... I'm starting to be really tired with all what's (not) happening. What the fuck is happening behind the curtains ??

I'm wondering what the guys in the band have to face ... Either they're fucking us really good, or they have a lot of issues and problems to solve to get this album out.

I don't know, I've never seen that in my life.

Still, as long as it's not on the band's official site, I don't buy the fact that all the japanese dates are cancelled.

Yep.   : ok:

That's why I'm hoping these are false as well.

In comparison, people quit, are fired, die...every day...and they're replaced and life goes on. ?Any well organized company is prepared for situations like this. ?I worked for a manufacturing company that had an explosion...we had to move our entire manufacturing/production setup to another building. ?We had ZERO late shipments and were running at full capacity after two weeks. ?Guns is not well organized...not prepared...and worst of all, do not respect their customers.

This whole act is getting so tired, so old, so ridiculous. ?I want Chinese Democracy as much as anyone else...hopefully I'll live long enough to get it.

They dont respect there customers ?


what do you call playing over 80 shows around the world last year ?

they did it for the fans.

Yeah, Guns N' Roses is not a band, it's an organization, a company with hundred of employees.

See jarmo's post for more info about your complain. ::)

Tell that to my bank account.

so you want a band to replace a member 5 days from starting a tour because he got injured?
are you serious?
can anyone even think about something so stupid?
do you even know what a band is?

I hear that ?:yes:

Axl: Okay guys next on the list, we have to have a back-up replacement in case Tommy hurts his hand for some reason. Any ideas ?

Oh...so you know when he got injured? ?You know what day he "fell down the stairs"? ?That's funny, because Tommy doesn't say in the article.

Who knows how many employees are employed by Axl/GNR....you can't deny at this point Guns N' Roses is a 'brand'. ?It's just a comparison anyway, although in my opinion a realistic one.

Sometimes its ok, to get a replacement.. but in this case there is no hurry. They havent started the tour.. and it seems like
Tommy will be ready in two weeks.. so i understand they decide to postpone insted of get a replacement. Who knows.. maybe since this
is the world tour, they have desided to do filming and promo stuff for CD, and then it would be the best thing to include all the members..

fortune just ain't smiling on these folks it seems.. :'(

hopefully tommy is able to recover well.

and sucks to anyone who somehow thinks that guns (or any band) needs to have fucking contingency plans for everything that may happen in life. >:(

it's one thing to carry an extra drummer when the other one is expecting a child--thats something you know about long in advance and can do something about, as they did last year.

but how you plan for someone taking a nasty fall  or slipping on ice, having a death in the family,etc. is beyond me.

shit happens.

I hate people like you.
Seriously, I do.
I think the way of thinking everything is about money is a birth defect.

You must still live with your parents.

Lets say the conspiracy theories are true....

So, they're still playing their dates at the end of the month.

And at the worst, they lied to get themselves more time to finish this album.

Are there that many fans on here who were going to the Japanese shows? ?Yeah I want to see the band being active, but these theories/complaining don't make sense. ?You would really be mad if they were covering up the fact that they needed 2 more weeks to finish this album? ?And your mad they cancelled a leg of the tour you won't be seeing?

On Edit:  That being said, if this is true, GnR really needs to come forward and give a candid interview or press release.  Fill the fans in.  I know "its the bands business", but in this day and age succesful artists have to embrace the newfound intimacy between celebs and their fans.

Thank god all Tommy injured was his hand and he didn't break his neck or worse.

Everyone on here is so selfish.

Whine, bitch, whine.

Not one person on here stopped to think how GNR actually feel about this.

You think they are glad that this happened?

You think someone in the band is saying "oh I hope so and so has an injury so we can once again delay shit and piss off our fans?"

Give it a rest. 

I hope Tommy is okay and that things get going again but his recovery is what is important right now.

I don't think everything is about money...but I definately don't think that the ONLY reason they toured and did over 80 shows was just for the fans. ?That's beyond stupid. ?If it was the case, the shows would have been a helluva lot cheaper then they were.

This can't be it.  They don't need more time to finish the album.  The album is finished, remember?

Here's the thing with GNR, it doesn't matter if it's true or not.  If the only thing that is true is the band has to postpone the shows, then its almost natural for fans to assume the worst.  After 2002, many fans lost alot of trust in the band, while in 2006 they were perfect, but it's still tough for some to get over.  Don't forget they had a European tour in 2001 cancelled. But the first shows of the 2006 NA tour were postoned too.   
If is wrist is sprained it should only take a week or 2 to heal, so it's not the end of the world.  Chris Pittman playing bass for 2 songs and playing bass for 5 shows is completely different, besides fans of this band want to see Tommy play.
I think the best thing the band can do to ensure the fans trust is, obviously announce the postponement, confirm the Australian dates, and give a CD update in their official press release.

Guns N' Roses are cheap for a band of that stature. Go and try to see Aerosmith or someone in the same league as Guns and you're gonna pay well over 100 bucks.

Tommy I feel so bad for you! Get your hand better!!! ?

How come nothing on the OFFICIAL website about this??

You're kidding, right? ?I happened to see Aerosmith at the same venue that I saw GNR at last year a few years back. ?I'm not a huge Aerosmith fan, but I went because I had nothing better to do that night and the tickets were pretty cheap.

Besides that, a band's "stature" is relative. ?

And besides THAT, are you saying that GNR specifically kept ticket prices "low" as a way to be good to their fans? ?This is the first I've heard about that.

Steven Tyler is touring with the original Aerosmith. ?GN'R's would be charging a lot more if it was Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy and Steven.

I'm glad they decided to postpone these shows rather than play without Tommy.

It wouldn't be the same without him.

He's such an important part of the band, anyone who says "they should have a backup" is just looking for any reason to bash this band.... they get no credit for fixing the Brain situation so fast, this left them with literally days before Japan to fix things. Give them a break, for once.

Stop thinking you are owed something.

To Danny: Fuck you and your bank account. Seriously, you are so fucking pathetic, I wouldn't be surprised  if you wake up every morning in HOPES that there is some news for you to start bashing and spinning to make it look more like YOUR some sort of genius who always knows whats best for the band.... even though most of us have already figured out that it's either the GNR way or no way at all, deal with it or go listen to some Hootie and The Blowfish.

Because Tommy's in charge of updating the website. ?He's having a hard time typing with his hand in a sling.





Just kidding.

Dude...calm down.  Seriously.  I'm not bashing, I'm not spinning.  I am simply pointing out that the band did NOT tour last year just as a favor of the fans.  That is absolutely ridiculous.

Well, Im gonna see Aerosmith tomorrow and I payed a lot for this. Not that cheap here.

Anyways...

No, it's a BAND, not a brand. Like jarmo said, you all complained about not being a band, now you don't want to be like that. ::)

No.  That is just wrong.  We did not ALL complain about them not being a band.  We simply ALL did not.  I never did, so therefor your statement is 100% false.

I didn't talk about you, did I?

You said "you ALL complained".  So yeah...you did.

Be more specific.

Yeah well I tried to see Aerosmith LAST YEAR, and the tickets were well over a hundred bucks. And I'm not saying GN'R kept them "low," I'm saying that the tickets in general were not that expensive. I went to three shows last year and I have a minimum wage job, pay car insurance and college and the whole enchalada, and my wallet was still comfortable.

Yeah.  I don't think they were that expensive either.  However, my point is that they didn't tour last year JUST as a favor for the fans.  Can you just admit that please?

I wasn't talking about every single fan here, but rather the ones who keep complaining about every single stuff. I'm sorry if you felt harmed, but it's not like I need to draw it to explain...

Fair enough.

No, you just basically complain about everything else.  ::)

Even when it doesn't affect your day to day life one bit.


Funny how you claim you're not one of those whiny fans, but every time something happens, you're there posting your theories. Which usually means, it's just negative shit.


/jarmo

Adler broke his hand during the first AFD tour ... they easily replaced him.... (altho thats not that hard )

I never said that. : ok:
My whole trip is that the tickets werent expensive.

Like when I said that the show I saw in December was the best concert I've been to in my life?


And I don't think that the shows in Japan being cancelled affect the day to day life of any of the people here who are not "complaining", either.


And P.S.  Give me some GOOD news and I'll post my possitive theories, OK?

good to see everything is back to mormal around here. tour is cancelled, we are more then a month past the "tentative" date with no new news, and jarmo is talking shit to fellow fans. all's well in GnR world.

hope tommy gets well soon, really like the guy.

So because you enjoyed the show you get a free pass to spend the rest of the time complaining?


Didn't we just have this discussion a few weeks ago? You're back to your old tricks again as far as I can tell......





/jarmo

Right, because no-one has ever fallen down some stairs. That never happens. I guess Tommy should have used his rockstar superpowers to cushion the fall.


Sure, if you don't mind the first performances of your "world tour" being at the mercy of a last-minute fill-in. Maybe they could squeek-by - I'm sure that the media and the internet fans wouldn't mind if they put on a few bad shows, it's hardly as if they're all glued to their computers waiting for an opportunity to bitch about the band. 

what is up with this place??????? ?even jarmo is joining in with the arguments!!! ? i thought this place was for NEWS n DISCUSSION not BITCHING TEENS



edit.  get well soon general stinson

Jarmo. ?Dude. ?I didn't complain. ?I'm not up to my "old tricks" (whatever the hell that means). ?The start of a tour has been cancelled (again). ?It sucks. ?I am saying "that sucks". ?It's that simple. ?Other people are saying "this sucks...get well Tommy". ? So, if I say "get well Tommy" am I off the hook? ?Ok then...well...GET WELL TOMMY! ?SORRY YOU HURT YOUR HAND!

What the fuck is this then?



They did two songs without Tommy.

Not a two hour set.






/jarmo

Well, it sure as hell isn't a complaint.? That's for sure.? I was just saying, they did a show (admittedly a very, very short show) without Tommy.? Now they are cancelling the start of a tour because he's unavailable due to injury.? I was just pointing out how it's a weird coincidence.? I was not complaining in any way, shape, or form.? I wasn't saying that it's bullshit that Tommy hurt himself.? I wasn't saying that the band is lying to us.? I was just pointing out how it's a weird coincidence.? It's that simple.?

It's almost like you are looking at everything I post and WANTING it to be in some way negative to the band.? It's not in any way at all, OK.


And please, please, PLEASE dont come-back with something like "well, when everything you say is so negative, that's why we assume your being negative here".? That is simply a BS argument and very, very blind.

So, you're not trying to say they should just replace him like all the other "objective" fans?

I'm sorry, but that's the impression I got from your post.


I mean, if you think it's ok to postpone shows when somebody can't be there, then I guess you wouldn't say stuff like "but they played a show with a replacement player in XXXX".....




/jarmo

You're not forced to go.

I don't know.  I probably would'nt.  It really depends on the situation, I guess.

In general, I don't like replacement players at all.  This whole drummer thing is uncomfortable to me...not because we have a replacement drummer, but because we don't know what the real status is of the drummer he's replacing.  And thinking back even further, the show where Baz finished up with PC, that would not have been a decision I would have made.  That was a replacement...and a bad one...just for one song, even.  I would have just finished the shw early.  But again, that's just my opinion.


As far as this surrent situation, here is my opinion:  Tommy is hurt.  I personally don't think that would stop me from enjoying a show if they had a replacement.  However, the band thinks it would affect their performance.  So, if they think that, they are the ones who are putting on the show.  It's their decision to make.  Case closed.

Did I say I was?  I am going to spell this out a simply as possible:

GNR does NOT tour JUST FOR THE FANS and for NO OTHER REASON.  No band does, and no band should.

I just wish that something would come from somewhere more official then Blabbermouth about this.

With so many more band members than 'classic' Guns had back in the day, I wonder if Jarmo and company like sucking the extra dicks or if it just adds up to more work at the end of the day.

9th post and you say something like this?  Yeah.  You'll be here for a long time.

Haha.

:wave:



/jarmo



PS Go fuck yourself.

It says "according to a press release".

Do we know who issued the press release?

The promoter in Japan?

Creativeman is the Japanese promoter.


/jarmo

Like I said before, I think the best way GNR should handle it is by confirming the postponement on the official website, confirming the Australian tour, and perhaps without pushing the envelope, a CD update.

the promoter called the band. they do summer sonic as well.
They say the tour is being rescheduled and the tix can be used for the new dates.
should be No big deal for the fans except for those who booked their flights and hotels


use mustard.   :hihi:
 :nervous:

Oh ok. Cool. Well, guess that's official then.

wow, i sometimes think this band is cursed!

Get Better Tommy

Tommy is the quarterback on stage; they clearly cannot just replace him with Michael Anthony or the guy from Ratt.

However, I am concerned that two weeks isn't long enough time for recovery. A broken hand should be allowed weeks of rest, definitely more than the two Tommy has set aside.

Fingers crossed that the break is not severe.

not too severe :hihi:


its sprained bad....not broken

FUCK

i had plan my trip to japan and all, booked a hotel, ordered 5 prostitutes and the biggest sushi platter ... i mean COME ON ! they can't cancel on me like that !!!!


i'm canceling my other trip to Cape Town....


 :rant:

i was just gonna write the same thing...thanks for saving my fingers..another bs event....

i think you should just say it yourself that its postponed/cancelled? and put the news as you enter the site....i am from ny and had hotels, tickets, airfare to go to all shows. this has happened to me many times before i cant believe i did it again...im not too happy right now...

we'll hang out in tokyo together, i still got the whores booked.

Poor Jarmo gets too much crap.  What a thankless job. 

:hihi:

Can any of them play bass?

Thank you, Nick.

That's the reality of the situation, which seems to be beyond some people posting in this thread.

Guess I should thank god for small mercies - no poster has yet blamed Tommy for being an asshole, because he missed a show because of a death in the family and now he had the decency to hurt himself just before the Japanese dates. Just the usual routine; Axl fucking things up.

Lol at muthergoose luvr.  Too bad your post got deleted. 

We have nothing to worry about people.  Gunsnroses.com says the tour is on.  Check it out!

Tommy's sprained wrist = Buckethead's mystery stomach ailment.

Hey Axl!  You don't think we actually believe this shit do you?

Again the tour is postponed and not canceled.

the tix can be used for the new dates.



I thought you had a top model gf?

model, whores, same ol' thing ;)
kidding.

anyway, i dont think a lot of non japanese people flew there for the shows, so it's not a big deal. they'll play again. GNR always reschedule. they're good at that ?_?

Guess Buckethead never left.

Guess they really didn't work jack squat on the album last January.

get well soon man...and get your asses to the STATES!

while the lastest news delays the tour..
it should allow the band more time to get the mixing finished..
every cloud has a silver lining  : ok:

Why would you worry anyway?  Were you attending any of the shows?

How many shows did Gn'R cancel in 1987 after Steve broke his arm before getting Fred Coury from Cinderella to cover for him?

I've read this theory alot today. I'm not sure I'm ready to believe it.

I do. cut the crap already.

bh was out. the show was canceled.

tommy(get well soon) is in and injured and the shows are being rescheduled. they're up to many other shows.

hmm first couple of dates cancelled well that just sucks...anyway here's to a successful continuation of the tour ?:beer:

How about burying some bad news with good (album update hint hint)

He's just worried about all the japanese fans who are missing out on guns....don't you see that ?;)

is it just me or comparing the postponement of rock shows to war (killing) doesn't make sense and is plain silly.


I find an answer from a japanese fan in another thread.
see how replaceable gnr bassist is. ;)


thanks hiromi.

Steve broke his wrist. It takes months for a broken bone to heal. Its a totally different story. They werent just gonna cancel the whole tour. Tommy' s hand is just sprained. If he rests it then it should heal fine in two weeks. Why do shows with a temporary replacement, better to postpone and give the fans the right show.

I don't think Bucket had left the band at that point.  It was another delay due to um let me think - oh yeah Axl.  But Axl's decision to use Bucket as an excuse for the '04 cancellation didn't help their relationship.  I'd be pissed enough to leave too. 

On topic:

I hope there is no deception behind this latest delay.  I do like Tommy and I don't think he'd allow himself to get quoted lying to the fans.  But its Axl's fault that people question the validity of everything surrounding Guns N' Roses.  There have been so many coincidences and poorly timed maladies over the years that some unknown percentage is pure bullshit. 

Yeah bad news but atleast they still gonna play the SA dates and maybe this will give Axl some extra time to finish up CD...

But didnt Bumble say that if its not on GNR.com then dont believe it... ;)

Do we know who WAS going to be opening these shows?

Nah, no one had been announced yet.

Thank you for that.

I'll throw in an old Duff interview concerning the Adler/Coury situation:

'This wasn't the first time the band had to deal with substitutes, since drummer Steven Adler was out for several weeks with a broken hand, replaced by Cinderella's Fred Coury. "That was very strange," Duff recalls of playing with someone different in the rhythm section. "Freddy is a great drummer, but every drummer has a different feel, and even if he's playing exactly what Stevie's doing on the record, it's not the same."'

- Circus Magazine (http://www.gnrsource.com/articles/1988/09-circus.htm)


Go ahead and compare the Brain/Frank situation to it. Again, it's a different story, Frank had a chance to understudy and augment his own sound with the band prior to his first live appearance.

my condolences go out to Japanese fans who were looking forward to this set of concerts.....especially those who were going to see gnr for the first time...

here's hoping that the South African dates don't get affected, and I hope that Tommy gets better soon....

No problem...oh and by the way...thank you Duff. : ok:

Jarmo, are we not allowed to notice how awful the GNR official page is?

If so, just please post something letting everyone know that we should continue to pretend like the official site is good for something other than buying overpriced merch and getting spam from MLB.

Seriously though, why the fuck don't they just pay Jarmo to do it?  He'd do a great job of keeping their site updated.

Why was this news removed from the frontpage?? :-\

I'll see if Guns will put something on their website

the news of the postponements/cancellations? should be put in the news section so people can see it right away without having to go into another section...the fans should know this...especially the ones who got screwed...me included...lucky me

again, no cancellation.

from the first post

INJURY FORCES GUNS N' ROSES TO POSTPONE CONCERTS

Guns N' Roses have announced that they are postponing the start of their world tour which was due to start in Japan.

The Japanese concerts are being rescheduled. Guns N' Roses will be able to make their two scheduled performances headlining the MyCoke festivals in South Africa at the end of the month.

"I feel so bad right now,? explains bassist Tommy Stinson. ?I accidentally fell down a flight of stairs. I put my hand down to break my fall and heard a loud ?pop.' The next morning my hand looked like a balloon. I went to see my doctor and while the good news is that it?s not broken, the bad is news is it?s severely sprained and I may have done some ligament damage. We had our last rehearsal a few days ago and shipped the gear to Japan and then this happened. I feel horrible.

"I'd like to apologize to our Japanese fans that were looking forward to seeing us and know that we will we see you all soon. Again, we'd like to sincerely thank our fans worldwide for their patience and support."


This is from the promoter and according to them gnr would like to go there after this july.

http://www.creativeman.co.jp/2007/GNR_special/index.html

Man, I can not believe this!!! Do some of you need to see a picture - on the GNR's website - of Tommy's sprained wrist to believe that's true?!?

And, even if a picture of Tommy's sprained wrist were posted on the official website, I'm SURE that some of you would say it's photoshoped!!

I can't believe you call yourselves "fans"...GO FUCK YOURSELVES!!!!

Tommy, get well soon!  : ok:

what's with all the anger sir? Do you need a nap??

Somebody take you milk money???

get well soon Tommy.

remember waking your meat sir. might not be that good for the sprained wrist!!! : ok:

Just curious... what exactly do you think the official site is for, if not getting out official word of what's going on with the band?

If some Japanese kid hears that the show is cancelled, the first thing he's going to do is check the band's site. ?

Over and over again, Axl and the band have told us to check the OFFICIAL site for OFFICIAL updates. ?Is it unreasonable to expect them to uphold their end of that agreement?

good question?  could there be hope for the shows ??

good point right there.still waiting to see this on the band official site.

If it was in japanese.

Honestly, if its postponed then its postponed.  Im sure they'll be an update on the site and if theres not then who knows. but nothing we can do about it.

Fuck! Here we go all over again!!!!! We gotta love the drama of being a Guns N Roses fan!

I agree that it has to be on the band's official website, after all, it's the BAND'S OFFICIAL WEBSITE.

I'm pissed because I can't believe that someone would think that the band created a fake situation just so there would be a reason for them to don't go play in Japan, or whatever. I mean, tommy is a person just like us, he can fall down and hurt his wrist! If you don't like it, go talk with Isaac Newton!

Shit happens, we move on!! And it's not like the tour got canceled, on the press-release it says that the band is postponing the beginning of the tour...that's all!

If some japanese kid get mad with this, he/she can just take his/her ticket money back and move on!

HEY! ?At least this gets us thinking about something other than not listening to the album. ?Plus, maybe this extra time will mean that the tour will be changed to the Chinese Democracy World Tour.



I don't know. ?I'm just spit-balling here.

remember they did postpone and make up shows during the 06 Euro Tour and they did postpone the start date to the 06 NA Tour, so there is no reason to actually believe they wont come through again.  Now if you want to go back to 2001 and 2002, its a different story, but I doubt that will happen.

Most of you need to calm down.

It's like all of a sudden this board is full of people who have tickets to the Japanese shows.





/jarmo

Not being negative here, but a few shows were cancelled at the end of the last tour that were never made up. ?I'm just pointing this out to correct your statement. ?There's no doubt in my mind that these Japanese shows will be made up.

on the other hands, some recent dates have been rescheduled ... but never played ... so let's wait till they are officialy rescheduled .

PEACE !

maybe it says postponed. but judging by what "postponed" meant for the US leg last year (reno, the cali shows (excl la), and tennessee...) that would mean "cancelled." those are just the facts, plain and simple.

Did anyone stop to think that this might be an opportunity to release the album and do these shows after the album is out?

everyone always assumes the worst and no matter what, they are lying.  they are damned if they do, damned if they don't.    most of the "complainers" in this thread were also complaining about the fact that they were touring without an album.     

and you wonder why axl doesn't want to communicate with the fans much?  can you blame him?  you all are a bunch of ungreatful whiny fucks who accuse him of everything.  I would feel alienated from my fans too.

hey man . dont tell us to calm down. a lot of the die hards got burnt again....

Whatever, you know what Im saying, they completed a successful tour with a few postponements/cancelleations involved

I was about to say the same thing.  you beat me too it.

Their is a certain feeling of Deja Vu.

No, they were rescheduled at first. But they decided to use January to work on the album so eventually they had to cancel those dates. You can't be in two places at once.


Portland, ME and Milwaukee, WI were cancelled.





/jarmo

I didn't mean you, I know you had plans to go to Japan so I can understand if you feel disappointed.




/jarmo

thank you

Naw. ?This is different. ?That was the end of a tour. ?And THEY were postponed because the band needed to finish up the album...which they did, by the way.

This situation is the beginning of the tour...where there is plenty of time to reschedule. ?It's not like GNR has many, many months of shows on the schedule. ?There's plenty of time to make these up.

You're on to something there. Axl should take this opportunity to tie up whatever loose ends are associated with CD and get it ready for a proper release. It's a sign from God.

It's statements like this that lead to alot of dissappointment.

well i like this theory better than "axl is lying" or "axl pushed tommy down the stairs" or any of that other nonsense.    Not everything has to be negative.

and no danny, it doesn't lead to disappoitnment, i'm just saying its possible.   just as all you whiners are saying all this other bullshit is possible, its also possible that something good comes out of something unfortunate.

Shouldnt this be up at the official forum?  ::)

I don't think it does. and anyway if it does this band has had more statements that have lead to disappointments then any fan could make up.

Uhg. ?Please stop calling me a whiner.

then stop whining.  unless you had tickets I dont see how this affects your personal life.

i am willing to bet that Tommy's injury will have no impact on the status of the album...i mean how could it? :-\

how does people whining effect you personally??

the answer is it doesn't but you choose to let it.

What did I say that you consider whining? ?FUCK!!!!!!

And you probably didnt have tickets to these shows either...meaning this doesn't affect your personal life...meaning you probably should'nt comment either.

We discuss plenty of shows we haven't gone to.

It's a discussion forum.

If we were only allowed to talk about the specific times we've seen the band live, then there'd be very little to talk about.

I really don't get this line of reasoning.  On one hand, you're telling people they don't have the right to discuss their disappointment because they didn't have tickets to the show.

But on the other hand, you're allowed to praise the band and make excuses for the same show even though you didn't have tickets.

Me so confused!!!   :beer:

Why don't they just put something on their official site?  Isn't that why they made it? 

well i dont come to a Guns N' Roses fan board to read everyone complaining about anything and everything.  I'm here to give the band my support.   

 They launch a tour, people complain there is no album.   Some dates get postponed, people are complaining still (many are the same ones who never wanted the tour to go on in the first place). 

this sucks for the fans in Japan, and this sucks for Tommy and the band.  I doubt this is what they wanted to do.

i'm saying if you didn't have tickets to this show, you have no reason to be pissed off.  You weren't going anyways.  Its disappointing to see this shit happen to your favorite band, but if it doesn't affect you directly, i dont see why it would upset you so much.

apparently at the moment the promoter is just telling them to keep their tix as those are valid for the new dates. Yes the shows were unfortunately put off but they are happening after july.

I bet the most of the people who are vexed with this now have never planned to go to there in the first place. :yes:

Thanks for answering my question and pointing out where I was whining. ? ::)




I'm sorry...but I'm sick of ALLLLLLLL the whining around here. ?I'm sick of the whiners and the whiners who whin about the whiners. ?Isn't this a forum about the world's most dangerous band?

Well apparently Tommy is a danger to himself :rofl:

really are they really the worlds most dangerous band anymore?

if tommy wasnt such a whiner gnr would still be about to start a tour :hihi: holy crap i'm so kidding :peace:

Alright but at the same time .It is the internet bitching and moaning is what peeps do on the net....well for the most part..

the sure fact that this band has had one to many fuck ups in the past . and then news like this happens just get people into a feeling of ...oh, shit here we go again.



they haven't been the most dangerous in years sir.In fact no rock band is dangerous.

no, i really don't think so.  that was their name 15-20 years ago.  These guys are in their late 30s/early 40s, most of them have families n shit.   

exactly....not to get on an old vs new but i believe that name came from all the shit they did (drugs booze) ya never knew if one of them would die or something.....this new band is so far removed from those crazy times :-\

Now I'm really confused. ?So, the old band didn't shit? ?Wow. ?You learn something new all the time. ?I guess that explains why they were so dangerous back then.

they did have a lot of gas...and boy let me tell you that stink that would come from their gas was dangerous....

I'm glad you could see how this latest development could disappoint GNR fans, even ones who didn't have tickets to those particular shows.

Why then, is it so hard for you to wrap your head around the idea that fans might want to discuss that disappointment?

This is a discussion forum.

well its not old vs new.  even if the original 5 were all together I doubt you'd be able to say they are "the worlds most dangerous band".    These guys are all grown men now with responsibilities and most have (hopefully) put the excess lifestyles behind them.

its just a different time now.  the late 80s were so weird.   I dont see any band being able to pull of taht kind of rep nowadays without it being fake and cheesy.

I can't beleive that I made a throw-away comment like the "world's most dangerous band" and it's turning into the focus of this discussion.  I'm really sorry I said it.   :rofl:

would you rather it go back to the whiner discussion? :hihi:

so how many shows are postponed anyway? all the japan ones? and they wanna rebook them for july or something?

Danny, why don't you just stop saying anything at all for awhile.... :peace:

I'll take that into advisement.

From the sounds of it, just the Japan dates, which are: April 14, 15, 18, 19, and the 22. 

Its 5 shows, and it does suck for the fans in Japan and it sucks for the band and Tommy.  Hope Tommy gets better..  and yes July or sometime after is what the word is.

they say the 2 African shows are still happening so.. I think this is just a minor setback and GNR will be rocking the Africans before we know it.  :peace:

Me too, at least they haven't canceled the whole tour.  But then again who knows, no official statement has been made yet.

Has anyone pointed out that opening acts were not scheduled for any of the shows that were postponed but were fo....


...you know what? ?Nevermind. ?I don't want to stay anything else. ?Don't want to be labeled as a whiner.

there's no cancellation at all. just some postponements.

Just read this now... Get well soon Tommy boy!!  : ok:

I heard that Rose Tattoo and Bach were opening. Was that misinformation?

That's in Australia  : ok:

most likely so.

My friend says that they don't necessarily have opening acts in japan.

were there opening acts at the past gnr shows there?

right.  I dont think any were announced but I would assume at least Bach would be there.

Maybe...but Sebastian Bach is headlining his own 4 shows in Japan starting June 1st.

It's up on www.gunsnroses.com

(http://web.gunsnroses.com/images/home/041107_tommy_512x288.jpg)

GN'R postpones tour, Stinson injured
 
Tommy Stinson is recovering from a sprained hand after an accidental fall.Guns N' Roses have announced that they are postponing the start of their world tour, which was due to start in Japan.

The Japanese concerts are being rescheduled. Guns N' Roses will be able to make their two scheduled performances headlining the MyCoke festivals in South Africa at the end of the month.

"I feel so bad right now," explains bassist Tommy Stinson. "I accidentally fell down a flight of stairs. I put my hand down to break my fall and heard a loud 'pop.' The next morning my hand looked like a balloon. I went to see my doctor, and while the good news is that it's not broken, the bad is news is it's severely sprained and I may have done some ligament damage. We had our last rehearsal a few days ago and shipped the gear to Japan and then this happened. I feel horrible.

"I'd like to apologize to our Japanese fans that were looking forward to seeing us and know that we will we see you all soon. Again, we'd like to sincerely thank our fans worldwide for their patience and support."

Sweet.  Good update.  Cool pic.

are you kidding me? they were CANCELLED!!!!

Being a GNR fan rules :nervous:

awesome pic, there should be a photo section where we can check out some of George Chin's photos from last years tour

This is great news in my opinion!! Not that Tommy hurt himself, but the fact these shows have been delayed. Axl, please use this blessing in disguise to finish the album.

they finished the cd? i dont think so. march 6th came and went and they even said it aint done...and oh, i wasnt able to buy the cd yet in the store, did you?

You must have missed this:

The good news is that all of the recording for the album has been completed.


The album has been finished for about 50 days now.  Where have you been?

Unfortunate news but lets all just hope he recovers soon and they can kick off the 2007 World Tour in the early summer. Also hopefully at the same time we will all have Chinese Democracy to go along with the tour. Get well soon Tommy!

Again.... that was just what I heard.

maybe so, but they said they were cancelling the january shows to get the cd out by march 6th....that didnt happen.

Making alot of assumptions...you should go to the GNR site and carefully read all of the updates fro the last 6 months.

so what. after 02 GNR tour didn't happen until may 06. But it happened.


good and very cool pic.

How many times do I need to repeat it?

Axl said they would finish some minor details on the album. It's been done.

The March 6th was a tentative release date, not a promise.

It was mentioned on gunsnroses.com in February that there were scheduling difficulties and delays which contributed to the album not being out in March.





/jarmo

The Ghost of Bob strikes again!

Good lord, Tommy's formative years were spent blind drunk roaming across the country. Now he takes a spill down a flight of stairs. Go figure! Well, good to hear he's okay overall. Mend up, General!

Maybe it's me, but some days, Tommy is THE coolest member of the band, AXL INCLUDED. <I know I may get some hate from the Finckheads and Fortusians, but dangit, I'm a old school Mats fan, so there>

snead

I hope the whole concept of Karma isn't real, because if it is this album is gonna F'ing bomb!  People saying that they toured for the fans are being a little too naive.  Any objective person would correlate the time that Universal cut off the money and when they decided to tour.  Also, I'm not complaining, but I don't think a lot of fellow concertgoers felt that they really cared about the fans when they hit the stage at 12:30 AM at my particular concert.  I'm still faithfully and patiently awaiting the release of Chinese Democracy, but a certain part of me almost hopes this album bombs(it's fleeting though) just to show Axl that there are negative consequences to going about his business this way. And by this way, I mean taking this long and never communicating anything to the fans,etc!

Well with so many members in the band now the odds go up something like this will happen...

Sorry, I couldn't resist. So easy to be negative

Never communicating?

For fuck's sake.

Whenever he has said anything, he's been called a liar.

He didn't say anything for years and that was met with "I wish Axl would speak!".

Then in recent times when he has said something about the band's future plans, some of you people are claiming he promised you things like a release on March 6th.

No fucking wonder we're not getting more updates from him.




He can never win with some of you.

Why don't you just admit that?

Stop hiding behind the idea that you're "objective". You're just interested in picking every single thing apart so you can blame Axl for everything.

Don't you have your own fucking life to worry about instead of pointing fingers at somebody you don't even know?


I'm such an ass kisser because my day doesn't consist of posting "Axl's lying! I wish he'd update us!" and "it's not coming out! They're lying!".

Some things in life are bad,
They can really make you mad.
Other things just make you swear and curse.
When you're chewing on life's gristle,
Don't grumble, give a whistle,
And this'll help things turn out for the best, and...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHPOzQzk9Qo


If being a GN'R fan is so frustrating, maybe you can start following one of those mediocre bands that does everything according to the rock n' roll rule book.  : ok:




/jarmo

I just read it !  :o

Oh bummer !!

I feel as bad for tommy as i did for matt sorum when he injured himself.

I do hope everything mends properly.

Take it easy. :-*

Dude, I seriously hope GNR is paying you! You honestly think there has been an appropriate amount of communication from Axl to the fans?? You really Do??, because if you say yes then everyone knows you're off your rocker!! ?I'm as big of a Axl fan musically as anyone here, but I'm getting sick of people acting like he's become a victim of fans who are tired of waiting. ?Why are they tired of waiting?? Why are they complaining?? I think Axl may have been a small part of that! ?The fact is: ?most people here complain because they care. Is that really a bad thing?

And for your "If being a GN'R fan is so frustrating, maybe you can start following one of those mediocre bands that does everything according to the rock n' roll rule book" comment. ?Yeah not too many bands out there these days are very good, but you have to atleast respect them for releasing material every once in awhile. ?People (or atleast most) don't wanna bitch about this shit, but the reason it happens is because this whole situation (length of time) seems to be mostly an internal problem with GNR. ?We're fans and we can see that GNR has been fucking themselves over at every other turn and they need to stop it before Axl is a member of AARP. ?If that makes me a bad fan in your book, so be it!

jarmo, try to understand them ... be a little diplomatic, you're making more enemies every day

lets all be happy that the spring is here !!! i mean, it's so sunny outside !!!! it's sooo cooo !!! :)

This sucks....BLOWS.....Tommy will be fine.....I hope... He probably had a few drinks or something. It happens. Or maybe he just woke up and then fell on his face......10 feet below. Either way everything will have to come together at a later date. Hey Jarmo....take my neg Karm off you selfish prick....it shouldn't be there in the first place........just joking you Nancy Boy, take it easy......and some people on here need to take some Midol.......GNR will be running strong in the next month......so Japan got postponed....there are worse things happening around the world......MUCH WORSE.........get a life YOU FUCKING FAIRIES!.....I know it sucks but shit happens.....go get a drink and get laid.....all will be better :peace:

Well said, some people on this board seem to have no life of their own.

I feel for the Japanese fans.? I have been fortunate to have been able to see the band play on their scheduled times. I always had the fear there would be a cancelation/postponement of some sort.? I was close in 06 and 02. In 06, one show preceeding my planned show was canceled due to illness, and the band was late to the show because of road conditions due to a big snowstorm.? In 02, Axl hung on for only a couple of more shows and then the Philly incident happened.

Hey, at least the conspiracy buffs can't pin this on "poor ticket sales"  as the "real" reason.

Yes, shit does happen, but do you realize you're telling people to get a life because they're on a message board that you happen to also be posting on. ?Just wondering if you realize the irony, or maybe you're too busy coming up with your fairy jokes!

I rarely go on here......and i said get a life to people that are bashing the band...So blow me...read it again kid.

Looks like somebody didn't understand a word I said.

Imagine this:

Newbie: THIS IS SO COOL. HELLO EVERYBODY! I'M NEW HERE!
Me: I wish you would learn how to not post in ALL CAPS.
Newbie: Ok, I'll try to cut down on the caps. I PROMISE!
Me: But you're still using caps! I wish you'd use less caps!


There was no updates a few years ago, then there was and what did you do? You complained about the updates and then when there's no updates you complain more.

You win! All the time!

You must be really happy.  : ok:



Now get real, not every single update has to come from Axl personally.



/jarmo

quote author=jarmo link=topic=44997.msg913827#msg913827 date=1176328434]

Looks like somebody didn't understand a word I said.

There was no updates a few years ago, then there was and what did you do? You complained about the updates and then when there's no updates you complain more.

You win! All the time!

You must be really happy. : ok:


Now get real, not every single update has to come from Axl personally.



/jarmo

Apparently you didn't understand a word I said!  I asked you a question and you didn't answer it!  QUESTION: Do you think there has been an appropriate amount of communication from Axl (or anyone in GNR for that matter) to the fans??  This isn't even getting into the quality of updates, I'm just talking about the amount!  I don't like to be the dude ragging on the band, but I happen to get sick of reading 50 posts that seem to come from people who are brainwashed.

Wait wait wait... are we brainwashed b/c we are still fans and we dont bitch about every little thing?  or are we brainwashed b/c we dont buy into conspiracy theories?

it can be this? whenever it seems that everything begins to have a logic course, boom!!! something occurs!

shit!!

I did answer it. Read between the lines.



Yes there has. As soon as something important has needed to be said, it's been posted on the official site.

Just visit gunsnroses.com to see for yourself.

There's been several already this year. The band hasn't even started their tour yet.


Just because in your mind updates = release date, doesn't mean there's not been any updates. What you, and your kind, fail to admit is that, you're only interested in one update and when you can't get it when you want, you keep posting "there's no updates".





/jarmo

Thanks for proving my point Tommie! Some people act like anyone who vocalizes their opinion is either not a real "fan" or they're trying to be start conspiracy theories. ?I'm a real fan with no agenda. ?I'm F'ing sick of waiting for Chinese Demoracy. ?Not only because I want to hear it, but so GNR can actually get some credibility back in the mainstream. ?Which happens to be the place that will matter when GNR releases this CD. ?Is that a conspiracy theory? or is that a reasonable desire? ?

Oh and replying to Jarmo:  Do you even want this album to come out? Of course the only update people care about is the release date!  You try and act like their current process is normal and even more troubling--good for the band.  The longer they wait, the worse it is for the band.  Doesn't the current GNR becoming a joke to most normal people trouble you? It trouble me, not for personal reasons, but because they're capable of so much more! Is it really that hard of a concept to grasp that GNR have and continue to F themselves over?

I cant believe Axl would go this low and make his bass player Tommy say he hurt his poor hand ::), only joking nevermind its not the end of the world and it will soon be the end of April! : ok:

Why aren't you guys excited? This is awesome news. Axl will now be around to help finish the mixing and mastering of "Chinese Democracy". Most important of all Axl will be able to approve of the mixing and mastering. I was dreading that we would hear that the album would be delayed again becasue Axl and the band weren't around to approve of the mixes and masters, but Tommys injury takes that excuse away. Soon is definitely the word now I can feel it.

That's the problem. You're letting something you have no control over make you frustrated.

It's an album, it'll be out when it's done.




/jarmo

 ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Ok this sucks for the Japanese fans who are so wanting to see Guns return there. It blows on a major level for them since its been over a decade since G'n'R last played for them. Injuries do happen sadly..

 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?My only question is this: Ok sometimes someone gets sick or hurt. Last year Brain had his issues with his family and had to take off for awhile and they brought in another drummer. Couldn't Axl hire a bassist or someone who works in a studio with the band to play the Japanese dates til Stinson got better and returned ?

 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? The gear and all is there in Japan according to the Stinson news piece. They could hire someone as a quick fill in for a few shows as Tommy's expected back at the end of the month for the May Tour dates.



 ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

Yeah, you're right, I am frustrated.  I would think you would be too, I mean you did start a website revolving around the band. But whatever, I'm gonna take that guy's advice from before and --drink a beer and go get laid.  Peace.

I understand your getting frustrated with the wait, we all are.  But I am so sick and tired of people bitching just to bitch.  We all know the album is still not out, we all wish GnR would update their site more regularly, but we dont got to bitch and complain about it.  If your so sick of waiting, and all you can do between now and the time the album comes out is bitch, then may I suggest not coming onto the boards?  It kills it for everyone else who is here to have a reasonable conversation.

Imagine that.

I started a site and still don't feel like I'm owed something.....




/jarmo

Guns kicked off the Chinese Democracy tour in Osaka 5 years ago. I have a bootleg of the show.

I do give good advise......have fun bro.... :peace:

I mean... so what if they're still mixing? Are they going to post an update every day saying:

"Album is still being mixed. Bumblefoot made the studio engineers dance to an instrumental version of the Married with Children theme."

"Uh... still mixing. Finck wore a leatherjacket."

"ProTools wasn't working so we played poker on the internet. Frank won."

"Still mixing. The cymbals was raised to about 13% of the volume of the master track."

"Mixing. And mixing. The studio kitchen mixer broke though, so we need another mixing engineer to get it working again. The end."

...I mean, come on. When there are significant news, they will be posted.

GNR played Japan in 02... Not sure where compared to these dates...

Axl probaly dosent want to rush someone who dosent know the parts.. To bad pitman isint any good at the bass.. Oh well...

 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Really I heard they last toured there in 1993. It still sucks regardless ....

                                                   Yeah after this there shouldn't be an excuse about the album. It should be mixed and sent in finally. Late Jan. to May should be enough time to finally do the mixing I'd think.

If I was Axl Rose and read this bullshit everyone is whining about, I would delay shit even longer just to piss you whiners off.   he's not obligated to do a damn thing, and maybe he doesn't really feel much connection with his fans because the majority of them are never happy with anything he does, so he doesn't want to talk.  maybe?

What does any of this hafta do with the album?

Ok, I'm at work and seriously just busted out laughing while reading that! Thank God I'm in a soundproof studio!  :rofl:

The good: Tommy didn't break his hand.

The bad: It's still severely sprained.

The Ugly: Axl pushed him down the stairs  ;D

Now thats a conspiracy theory.  My personal fav though still has to be that Axl had Duff kill Kurt. :rofl:

This tour post-ponement is a big dissapointment to me.  I understand that shit happens and I'm not blaming anyone, but lots of people are just going to associate it with GNR's history of no show's and cancellations. 

There are lots of cool details they could share.? I'm lucky enough to have heard a lot of them.?

BBF's been recording guitar work.? What songs?? Lead?? Back up?? Was it his idea to record more parts, or Axl's?? If it was his, then what exactly did he think he could bring to the album that wasn't already there?

Not only would GNR fans find answers to those questions fascinating, but I'll bet it would help everyone suffer through the latest round of crushing disappointments from Camp Axl.

Instead, we get a half-assed, insulting letter from the quasi-literate hack Del James and an article by one of their roadies about some Canadian band nobody gives a shit about.

Yes, they could talk about every single fucking detail about the album now so you could say "Now we know everything about the album so there's no surprises left!  :crying: ".

Don't you have your own web site to worry about?




/jarmo

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Oh Jarmo... don't you think there could be a happy medium somewhere between daily logs and the ridiculous excuse for PR they have now?? I think the band could find a way to explain the process of making the album while still leaving a few surprises.? Like, say,? I don't know... the music?

I've heard awesome stuff myself.? I'm sure you have.? But if we talk about it, we get blackballed by GNR and lose the chance to hear that stuff at all.  It sucks.  All fans deserve to know what's going on with their favorite band. 

I'm gonna serve you up one of these too --? :crying:

That's for how you melt down in the face of perfectly well deserved criticism.? Axl's not perfect.? There's no harm in acknowledging that.

I call bullshit!

i've never seen anybody claim Axl is perfect.   he's a human being like anyone else who fucks up at things in life, just like we all do.

That doesn't mean he owes us anything.   The more I sit back and see how this fanbase reacts to shit, the more I start to believe that Axl feels completely removed from the fans and doesn't feel any kind of connection with them, and who could blame him?   nothing is ever good enough for some people.  and it never will be.

I am a fan of Axl Rose because of his art and I say as fans we should just allow him to create his art at his own pace without demanding info and updates and all that.   theres no reason to question most of this stuff, its not our place.   let him share what he wants to share and be happy with that, and maybe, just maybe he would share a little more.

Jim Bob, I almost completely agree with you.  However, I don't think Axl is completely removed from his fans.  The way this fanbase acts though, like I've said before, you'd probably never f'ing see me again.  I'd fake my own death, live in paradise, and do hot models in dark rooms supplied to me via loyal confidantes.   :peace:

He's far from perfect like the rest of us on this planet. I believe he has some serious anxiety about finally releasing the album. That's understandable. He'll hurt if this cd doesn't change music in some fashion. Personally I don't think he has anything to worry about. With this cd, the second that will mix old & new styles and the final cd which will take GNR to a whole new level. Axl is a master. He will accomplish what he intends to.

Tommy injuring himself may be a blessing in disguise. More time to finish what is now far beyond overdue. Everything happens for a reason.

There's no reason going at jarmo. He's never said one single negative thing about GNR and nobody here is gonna change that.

Who ya' gonna call? (besides the obvious Ghostbusters...) Chris Pitman!!

 
Mother Goose can play bass and tommy can... I was gonna say attempt to play the wiggle keyboard with one hand but we all know that's too impossible and we don't want any more injuries... He can still sing back up vocals although that would be quite awkward wouldn't it.. maybe he should rest up at home and eat a lot of Popsicles... come back full health for that Mypepsi concert thingy or whatever...


I bet Merck pushed Tommy down the stairs... ya know, getting revenge for all that stuff... and stuff... yowsa!

Except for Chris Axl from MYGNR.

And, get well soon loc!

The misconceptions are that the band doesn't give a shit about their fans and there's no communication. Just because they don't play shows that consist of 95% unreleased material for a few people on these message boards and they don't post blogs about what they're doing.


Instead, they play shows that are amazing, even if you haven't followed the band closely for the last 20 or so years and they update us when there's something real to update about (like today).



I've said it many times, these people just won't admit that communication to them means they want to know when the album will be out. Correction, they don't want to know it, they demand to know it.

It's almost like some of you only come here to see what's gone wrong so you can post and point fingers.




/jarmo

theres just no reason to be demanding shit.    i wish for a lot of things from Guns N' Roses but I have no control over when they come or what comes and if I have been a fan all this time during periods of almost nothing (2003-2005, 1996-1999) then surely I can handle getting to see GnR a few times.  :smoking:  album or not.  updates or blog or nothing.  new songs, old songs,  whatever.   this album has been in the making for so many years, who knows when it will come out!   If i was expecting it by a certain time i would no longer be around.

Good to see you're back, Jackamo!

It's a shame that we were robbed of the chance to see Mother Goose on bass again.  Probably a good thing though.  He's so damn sexy that nobody would pay attention to Axl.

Jarmo and Jim Bob -- never mind my constructive criticism of Axl's PR.  Clearly, things are going really well for them.  That's why everyone's so happy around here!  That's why GNR are more popular than ever.  Whoot-Whoot!   :beer:

The problem is not your ideas, the problem is that you fail to acknowledge the things that have happened every time Axl has said something.

You say: They should do this and that and it would be great.

We say: But they've tried and it all was used against them so can't you understand why they might feel like it's not worth giving more updates?


/jarmo

We had a sucking luck  :(

It's this frigin internet thing I tell you. It's just not natural. It used to be like, 5 stoners sitting in a living room chatting about a magazine article. Now there's like, five thousand people sitting in front of that one couch who are all capable of giving their .0004 cents worth at one time. (That's 2 cents divided by 5,000  ;D ) They all end up slinging crap at each other AND Axl.  :nervous:

I think you're all threatening Jarmo's very existence in some way shape or form. Seriously, his head could explode or something because he's likely the only webmaster of the largest band bb where the most a-holes have ever hung out in one place in the history of human existence. Wouldn't be surprised if he's being studied right now by, well... look up.  :hihi:

I mustve dreamed a thousand dreams
Been haunted by a million screams
But I can hear the marching feet
Theyre moving into the street.

Now did you read the news today
They say the dangers gone away
But I can see the fires still alight
There burning into the night.

Theres too many men
Too many people
Making too many problems
And not much love to go round
Cant you see
This is a land of confusion.

This is the world we live in
And these are the hands were given
Use them and lets start trying
To make it a place worth living in.

Ooh superman where are you now
When everythings gone wrong somehow
The men of steel, the men of power
Are losing control by the hour.

This is the time
This is the place
So we look for the future
But theres not much love to go round
Tell me why, this is a land of confusion.

This is the world we live in
And these are the hands were given
Use them and lets start trying
To make it a place worth living in.

I remember long ago -
Ooh when the sun was shining
Yes and the stars were bright
All through the night
And the sound of your laughter
As I held you tight
So long ago -

I wont be coming home tonight
My generation will put it right
Were not just making promises
That we know, well never keep.

Too many men
Theres too many people
Making too many problems
And not much love to go round
Cant you see
This is a land of confusion.

Now this is the world we live in
And these are the hands were given
Use them and lets start trying
To make it a place worth fighting for.

This is the world we live in
And these are the names were given
Stand up and lets start showing
Just where our lives are going to.

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Which sadly you speak for a few. I know you demand loyalty as your posts are trying to say. That everyone should give him the time to create his masterpiece of? music and a lot have. They have sit and watched the years slide by and watch as the band gets made jokes of by almost everyone nearly in the music public at times.

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? But a lot are just tired .The last orginal album of material came out in 1991. Thats over 15 years. I could understand why some and even myself are tired of the wait. I'm glad Guns n Roses are touring . I'm glad Axl's back on stage. I just wish the album could finally happen. Just like many others want right now.

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Perhaps now he'll finally get it done.

i want it just as bad.

but if it never comes out, I wont feel I've been shortchanged one bit because its not Axl's responsibility to keep me happy in life.   

                                           The promises though , its the promise of this album that has many waiting. CD was an album that has been promised so many years its pushed the fans. I can understand why some aren't happy. You keep saying "Ok soon it will be out " and another year passes ...I can see why some aren't happy.

I just want throw something out there one last time to the people (Jim Bob) who think that Fans bitching about lack of updates, etc are the problem. ?1st of all it's not always bitching, a lot of the time it's expressing what you feel. ?I doubt Axl would have anything against people who want to express themselves, seeing as how he made a career out of it. ?2nd -- Peoples "bitching" may not be desirable, but it's not the problem, it's the effect. ? I don't wanna "bitch" :peace: so you can come up with the Cause by yourself. ?

One other thing: ?This whole thing would be a lot different if Axl hadn't been doing anything the last 10 years, say if he had just quit the business. ?But he didn't, it's widely known that he has been working on this for most of that lengthy period. ?I could see how that would baffle some people and make them wonder what the hell is going on. ?Also, he became "fair game" in my mind when they started having Chinese Democracy tours. ?Not just a tour, but the name of the aforementioned album in the name of the tour. ?Once again, I can understand how people could be baffled that you would have a Chinese Democracy tour and still not have the actual Chinese Democracy released more than 5 years later. ?Just wanted to throw that out there. ? :peace:

Australian promoter spoke to Tommy today...

Paul Dainty spoke with Tommy Stinson today. "The guy is so embarrassed. He walked down a couple of steps and fell over. He put out his had to protect himself, as you do, went to bed and when he woke up it was swollen".

He also says:

"Only the Japanese dates have been changed," he tells Undercover News. They have 70 dates this year and they are airing on the side of caution".  :o

Complete story: http://undercover.com.au/News-Story.aspx?id=1889

70 Dates this year? woah..Cool

70 dates?  so this is a full blown tour, cool looks like i'm seeing guns again.  :smoking:

i know i was surprised when i heard that too http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=70364
says some more stuff there about it, probably the same as what we know already, but there ya go. This is so cool, hopefully there will be 70 shows and 1 new CD 8)


and no cancellations  :-X

:peace:

 "They have 70 dates this year and they are airing on the side of caution". 



Am I the only one who doesn't get that statement? 

It means that they don't want him risking further injury by coming back too soon.  If he tries coming back too soon, he would jeopardize the band's touring this year.  I believe it's spelled erring, not airing.   ;)

There better be 1 CD to go along with those 70 tour dates. Jarmo I think the fans have the right to demand "Chinese Democracy" at this point. I bought a ticket to one of the shows last year based on Merck's promise that "Chinese Democracy" would be out on one of the thirteen tuesdays remaining in 2006. I was directly lied to and would have never gone to the show if I knew that "Chinese Democracy" wasn't coming out. You should read the story of "The boy who cried wolf" and you would realize why some people think this band is full of shit.

WHAAAAA :crying:


::)

...or possibly they don't want to annouce these dates or more info on this in case there are more "issues".


This 70 dates thing is pretty good freakin' news. ?Here's to hoping they tour the states again. ?I really didn't think I'd have a chance to see them again this year untill now.

if you need an album to enjoy a show, thats your problem.  not GnR's.   :crying:

I'm hoping Texas is included in those tour dates!

I would enjoy my money back that I spent travelling to see them. I'd already spent money going to see them in New York,?and only went to see them again because I was lied to about "Chinese Democracy" coming out. How about you guys who are calling me a crybaby get me a refund on the money I wasted on GnR, and then you can call me anything you like.

i say again WHHAAAAAAAAAA :crying:

at least you got to go to a show, quit bitching ::)

I really have never understood why you would go to a concert because you were expecting the album.  That just doesn't make sense.  Did you expect to get a free copy of the album with your ticket?

What if GnR started putting out albumns and didn't tour.  Would people turn around and bitch because their not touring?  there is just no satisfying some people.  I like GnR because I love their songs and I love seeing Axl live.  I was glad I got a chance to see them last year.  I don't need a new albumn to want to see GnR live (of course it would be a bonus though)  I'm not sure how chances there will be to see them in the future. I say take advantage of the opportunity

Cheers

this sucks for japanese fans and tommy but to look on the bright side of things, it does give the band a little extra time to finish up all the little things left for an album release

Some posts never cease to amaze me. Yet I can't take shit like this seriously.


I went to the New Jersey show and got more than I bargained for. My view was occasionally blocked my somebody's ass because she was doing her dance routine for her boyfriend during the slower songs.

Should I've paid extra for the act or should I demand a refund because of the obstructed view from you?






/jarmo

PWNAGE from Jarmo :beer:

Your response makes no sense Jarmo. I bought a ticket because I wanted to hear more new songs. Since "Chinese Democracy" was supposed to come out I thought that I would get to hear more new songs. If they were honest and said that "Chinese Democracy" wasn't coming out I would have known that there was no chance of hearing more new songs and wouldn't have wasted my money. Don't you get that I would have never spent money seeing the band again if they hadn't lied about releasing Chinese Democracy? I understand that you don't want to bite the hand that feeds so I'll just shut up now.

was a great show  nevertheless!

You should go to Axl's mansion in Malibu and demand your money back for the concert. Then it would be funny as hell if he ends up acting daffy fuckin' crazy and chases you down the mountain... throwing CDR's at you and beaming you in the head with them.

 :rofl:

good stuff!!!

Tell me honestly: do you really think you are funny?

And if you haven't noticed this is a serious thread about a sad event. So, trying to be sarcastically funny in here can be interpreted as an indirect insult towards the band.

Sadly, saying anything in here can be interpreted in any way. Therefore I don't really care.

Obviously I wish the best for Tommy and the sucess of the tour, and hope to see them in Perth on June 10th with Chinese Democracy in hand or on the new release schedule.

I wouldn't mind finding out!!!  Hopefully the 70 dates that were referred to are this year and not last years!  I wouldn't be suprised if there could've been a miscommunication there, but hopefully not.  Oh and can we all agree that we want tours and a cd? I mean there's no point in doing one w/out the other.  There ticket sales weren't overly impressive in the US last year, but I guarantee they would be sell outs with an album release.

Hopefully the 70 dates that were referred to are this year and not last years!  I wouldn't be suprised if there could've been a miscommunication there, but hopefully not.

Why would the promoter for the Australian tour be referring to last years dates? 

I need an album before I spend anymore hard earned money on going to any high dollar concerts...but I was able to catch the band twice last year in Vegas and San Burnadino.

I'm going to TRY and go along with this 70 dates thing.  I'm happy GN'R are active, but we all know some of these dates will be cancelled/postponed.  I just want them to complete the dates they have now, then worry about the "70" dates thing.

if the 70 dates thing is true.................where do they fit in the time for promotion/video/interviews etc etc for the album?

i mean they definetly wont be doing 70 dates if the album is not out!

Whaaaaaa!!!  :crying: :crying: :crying:

The world doesnt like me!! Im being lied to!!! Please daddy Axl dont lie!!! Whaaaa!!!  :crying:

I love how people complain about it not being a 'real band'.. 'it's an Axl solo project and the other guys aren't really members'.. yet when Tommy steps to the front so speak, you demand to hear from Axl only  ::)

Would imagine if they're doing 70 dates that means that this year they are planning to go back to Europe or the states for another tour. Hopefully an actual album tour too.

Good good!

At this point I would rather have them put out albums.  I have seen the new band 3 times I would rather have a cd to listen to now.   I would love both but if it was one or the other I would rather have the cd.

That's what I'm hoping too. Another tour without a CD is not gonna win the band a lot of new fans; a new tour with a CD for people to buy after they hear the shows live certainly would win the band some new fans.

To those of you who say they shouldn't tour anymore before CD is out because you have already seen them, could you be anymore selfish?

Can you post anything without trying to instigate a negative response? Is it possible?   ::)

Oh, so I should just agree then?
After all, that is what debating is all about...

I felt that way before seeing them live, and I'd feel the same way if it meant I'd never see them live again.

Fuck, hope Tommy's ok and everything but how many 'set-backs' can one band really have before you start to question if they're all real?!

I think most people would agree that it's better to postpone the start of the tour than to play injured and then having to postpone shows because the hand didn't heal properly....





/jarmo

It's not how you disagree it's the way you disagree-immature.

Do we know what date the tour is set to go on? ?Or are they waiting on how well Tommy heals?

South Africa is still on as far as I know.

Which gives him about two weeks from now to recover.





/jarmo

oh definately...even if he's not well by SA then they should postpone those dates too rather than reagrivating the injury...but those are festival dates no? kinda hard to make those up :-\

I really, really hope Tommy's hand recovers for the South African dates.
They really deserve to see GN'R.

They never lied you fucking retard.

Go join a Velvet Revolver forum.

^ This is really "Hammer Time"  :hihi:

Well, and even for that they were too stupid to get it right!

I mean, nobody (well, not all) is really complaining about the postponement, if the bassist really is injured! But the problem is, it's too convenient for the bassist to injure himself right before the tour starts, after they already cancelled a series of concerts to "get the CD" done! And given the bands history one might think that they try to avoid cancelling/postponing even more concerts, if they can help it!

Hmm, funding the recording of an album which is 13 years overdue??

Well, yeah, march 6 was tentative, but come on.

Open your eyes people, and start having actual opinions instead of nodding constantly.

I suppose telling "THIS IS THE YEAR" 2 times and yet, not releasing the album doesn't count as a "lie", it's a sentence which was later proven false, but not a "lie".

I don't say he owes us anything, but still, this is getting ridiculous.

I haven't seen them since 02. Haven't seen Better live, haven't seen Down on the Farm live, haven't seen IRS live, haven't seen TWAT live. Haven't seen Ron live. So, no, I don't think I'm being selfish.

Do you not agree that more fans can be had if a CD is available for people to purchase after people hear the new songs live?

Of course not.  That wasn't 'false' when it was said. he meant it but couldn't make it, that's all.
You don't call it a lie but maybe a case of honest mistake.

 ::)

Or maybe being happy enough to tour as a band and give the fans something to see?

I'm sure the Greatest Hits is more than making up for the costs of Chinese Democracy.

And you think anything that's been made of the greatest hits went towards funding cd?...

I was referring to Merck's comment about the album coming out on one of the remaining 13 Tuesdays of 2006. Axl's tentative release date that wasn't a promise, a lie, or a guarantee meant nothing to me. I expect nothing at this point. I believe the fans deserve better than albumless tours but I don't expect anything more at this point. If all you care about is hearing the old material live than indeed go check out a show and have a good time. As someone who is a music fan I would like to see what the band can do on record and will be boycotting this band live until they release a record. Have a nice day!!

then leave the band and the fans that want to see the band live with and without a new album alone.
a gnr fan that really loves music would want to experience their show before the album as well as after.

What if you already experienced a show before the album in 2002? You just might have a different viewpoint like myself and others. I'm done debating now. Get well soon Tommy and hopefully you'll be kicking ass soon live, and on Vinyl!!

Ooh, vinyl! I hope they bring the album out on wax cylinder too, in mono!

After getting over my initial "you've gotta be kidding me!" reaction, I just want to wish Tommy a quick recovery.  Looking forward to seeing the next US leg of the tour!

I felt the same way for a while too. Now I'm in the same state of mind. Hey Tommy: Get that hand better, play those dates and schedule some on my soil!

Stinson could take advice from luke skywalker and get a cybernetic hand so they can play those dates. just an idea.

Tommy you fuckin rocked in N.B ? get well soon!!!

Never thought of that. Good idea.

this does suck really bad and im so fucking pissed that tommy got hurt. The band has bad luck and is always getting bashed, ( i admit i do it too sometimes). I hope tommy get better soon not 13yrs soon more like a few weeks soon.

well, if they are still set to play the african shows, a few weeks sounds like what it will be.

with possiable ligament damage ? But hey he didnt see doctor until the next morning,

First Show of World Tour Is:

April, 27th In South Africa With Evanescence & hootsbank

Golden Class * SOLD OUT "

HBK *

And Buckethead's playing was called "robotic" by some people!  :hihi:

That one gets a gold star for the day! Ha

In any case, quick recovery tommy. we all look forward to seeing you full of pep.

get better. This isnt all bad it will give them a lot more time to finish the mixing for the album                                                                                                                                                                                                                               :peace:

I think that is why this has happened, but is only my opinion.  :)

lord, that HAS to be done by now..
get better Tommy!

hahahaha, classic :rofl:

Don't know if this has been said before, as I didn't go through the entire thread... BUT in my humble pie opinion, it should be unneccessary for a band of GNR's size and stature to postpone a tour because of Tommy's injury.

No disrespect to Tommy, but the only one in this band, actually in most bands,that cannot be replaced is the lead singer. There are of course exceptions to this, such as Slash (signature sound, value for money on his own), Steve Harris and Lars Ulrich (band "leaders", to a certain degree) and Lemmy (plays the bass in addition to singing) to name a few. Some may even argue that e.g. Robin Finck should be mentioned here, although I don't - yet. However, these are exceptions.

By replaced I mean until-fit-again replaced, not necessarily as a full band member.

We are already blessed with two drummers. That's perfect! If Brain decides to go have another baby or whatever, or Frank falls down the stairs by accident, the other one can be called in on short notice to fill in.

Every position in the band should be covered. Think sports teams. Big squads, players ready to fill in in case of injuries.

GNR is, as far as I know, not short of money. The band should be able to hire quality musicians as "substitutes", pay them respectable wages and let them step in for Tommy, Richard or who it may be, for shorter periods when the touring takes its toll. That way, the band can tour forever or as much as Axl wants/is able to do voice-wise.

I wonder why this has not been done by any major bands before, at least I haven't heard of it. Postponing because of one band member's injury really should be a thing of the past for big-name, resourceful bands.

I am sure there are plenty of sufficiently talented musicians that would like to get paid a fair wage just for sitting at home, waiting for the phone call. They can even do shit with their regular bands as long as they are ready to do the job for GNR in emergency situations.

Umm...no    Simply because this is a "band" and as such is a tight-nit group.  No one should (or could) replace Tommy as he is the musical director of the band.  Cancellations for these reasons happen more than you think. 

See Tool and their recent tour postponments if you have any doubts.

Yeah, its been done in the past.. but we know nothing about the band current situation.. maybe they had some more important thing to do on this tour.. where all the members had to be there.. Filming? Promotion.. etc..

Yeah, maybe they were going to shoot a video.? Right... a video for the first single from their soon-to-be-released album of original songs.? ?;D

If that's what you want, then there are a million other bands out there you could get into.?

I personally like the idea of a band that doesn't release music.? It adds to their mystique.

a 'band' that does not release 'music'. You like this concept ???

maybe you'd like:
'directors' that direct 'films' but never release them.
'inventors' that invent, tell you all about them, and never show you or anyone else their inventions  :hihi:

My point exactly, these things happen a lot. That's why something must be done!

If the band chemistry is what worries you, a possible solution is to let these "replacements" become close-to-full status band members. If they are paid millions of dollars they should practice for hours and hours every day anyway and they would come to know each other perfectly well, personally and musically.

We have heard the story of Matt Sorum, when he played and was so ill he had to throw up several times on stage. That would not be an issue with a replacement drummer, and the performance would not suffer.

Besides, say that Axl is capavble of doing more shows than he is doing now (hypothetically). But he is hindered because one band member's wrist can't take the strain of playing as often as desirable. Bring in a replacements and the fans get more shows.

I understand your skepticism but this can be done if all band members have a professional attitude and can tolerate to miss a gig now and then, and the fans will be
happier, I hope.


If Nytunz is right, that they had more important things to do, fair enough, but beside the point. They wouldn't fake an injury to do that. Or so I think, at least  :)

You like the concept of a poster who does not post?

You sure as hell seem interested in it judging by the crap you've been posting lately in this section.



/jarmo

you need to stop posting this shit man....its really getting annoying now....not just on this forum...but everywhere else.....especially when "Golden Class" as you refer to it....is for the "richer" fans....and only holds a small amount of people.....1000 at most....

so its not as much of a good news item as you make it out to be...

lol.. i really understand why Tool postphoned some shows.. because there is no drummer out there which can play like Danny Carey..  ;)

Anyway.. im really sure Tommy wants to be a part of this historical tour.. and i think its fair for gnr to postphone.. its not like they are canceling the shows..
only postpone the tour for like two weeks... Nothing more!

This seams like a tight band.. and im sure they all want to be together in this next epoke of GnR history..

Danny Carey is collaborating with Chris Pitman on a new album.  They're using only musical technology that existed before 1960!!!

Sounds like it could be really cool.   :beer:

This is a joke?

No joke.? From Tape Op magazine, under "Chris Pitman"...

Source of Uncertainty- Recording 2007- with Danny Carey (multi=instruments) an Experimental project involving only Devices from pre 1960's. More from TapeOp Magazine

Danny Carey is old buddies with Pitman.? They played in Zaum together, and they're both from around Kansas City.? ? :beer: :beer: :smoking:

Cool... I know Pitman worked on the Tool song third eye, and in zaum, lusk, and i Maynard sings on a Replicants song..
Would be cool if GnR and Tool did a tour together.. Tool are touring Europe in August..

Back to Topic:
I dont mind the world tour beeing pushed back 2 weeks.. i dont understand how people make such a big deal out of it...
But really think they should give an update before heading for the tour..

another day another dollar. I'd imagine they simply couldn't.