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Title: FALSE: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.com Post by: Randy Jesus on April 08, 2007, 11:55:12 AM Edit:
Here's some info on this: Here is clarification about the Guns N' Roses and Tsunami Entertainment connection. Because of all the leaks on the internet of unreleased material from GN'R's forthcoming Chinese Democracy album, a Tsunami employee who monitors youtube for copyright violations was asked by GN'R's legal team to help stop the uploading of unreleased material. If you have received a notice from youtube then that's because you uploaded copywritten images, performances, and music. And just to clarify, Tsunami Entertainment are not managing Guns N' Roses. /jarmo Quote Randy H http://chinesedemocracy.com/index.php/topic,25965.0.html http://tsunamient.com Apparently this is a marketing and management company for bands. Its people have managed: Bee Gees, Beatles, Billy Corgan, Bon Jovi, Peter Gabriel. The company also produces, engineers, and mixes. It has a great amount of recourses for production of music. It also markets brands. I believe that this is Guns N Roses new management. I also believe that they will be responsible for Chinese Democracy. They are currently having anything that has to do with the album's songs removed from public accessible sites. They must feel that the continuance of audio and video via mass internet resource may hurt the album due to the lack of quality of demo's and live shot video of songs. There are many copyright issues like showing videos that are owned and distributed by companies such as MTV, that will most likely lead to more removal of material on sites such as youtube. Furthermore this also shows that the album is moving along. There have been reports that Geffen/Universal told the band that they need management, and this shows that it has been done. I would expect a news release soon. Title: Re: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.com Post by: Nytunz on April 08, 2007, 11:59:28 AM could be a good sign... but then again...
: ok: Title: Re: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.com Post by: chineseblues on April 08, 2007, 01:25:53 PM They are a marketing and product management company, one of the Hammerstein videos I had on youtube was removed and it was because Tsunami LG complained. This is a description of what Tsunami LG is and does http://dashboard.iventa.com/management/images/tsunami/OneSheet.pdf
Title: Re: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.com Post by: Randy Jesus on April 08, 2007, 01:28:59 PM They are a marketing and product management company, one of the Hammerstein videos I had on youtube was removed and it was because Tsunami LG complained. This is a description of what Tsunami LG is and does http://dashboard.iventa.com/management/images/tsunami/OneSheet.pdf I think their website is more helpful to understand what they do rather than the pdf file you have found. Title: Re: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.com Post by: chineseblues on April 08, 2007, 01:32:33 PM They are a marketing and product management company, one of the Hammerstein videos I had on youtube was removed and it was because Tsunami LG complained. This is a description of what Tsunami LG is and does http://dashboard.iventa.com/management/images/tsunami/OneSheet.pdf I think their website is more helpful to understand what they do rather than the pdf file you have found. No not really, since its actually a division of Tsunami Entertainment that is representing the band (Tsunami LG). So therefore the pdf is more helpfull in describing what that company does since the pdf file is about Tsunami LG. ;) Title: Re: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.com Post by: KelsisZero on April 08, 2007, 01:35:37 PM Tsunami LG just had my Chinese Democracy video removed from youtube...lets hope all the others won't be removed as well :(
Title: Re: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.com Post by: chineseblues on April 08, 2007, 01:40:55 PM This is the message I got from youtube:
This is to notify you that we have removed or disabled access to the following material as a result of a third-party notification by Tsunami LG claiming that this material is infringing: Guns N' Roses Hammerstein 12/05/06 medley -thenewguns.com-: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnXNYC76pJU Please Note: Repeat incidents of copyright infringement will result in the deletion of your account and all videos uploaded to that account. In order to avoid future strikes against your account, please delete any videos to which you do not own the rights, and refrain from uploading additional videos that infringe on the copyrights of others. For more information about YouTube's copyright policy, please read the Copyright Tips guide. If you elect to send us a counter notice, please go to our Help Center to access the instructions. Please note that under Section 512(f) of the Copyright Act, any person who knowingly materially misrepresents that material or activity was removed or disabled by mistake or misidentification may be subject to liability. Sincerely, YouTube, Inc. Title: Re: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.com Post by: MotherGooseLuvR on April 08, 2007, 01:49:52 PM Nothing makes me want GNR more than being told I can't have them.
This is an awesome strategy. Fans might not be happy that the last bit of GNR entertaiment they had is being shut down, but Metallica was able to fight the internet and win. There's no reason to think Axl can't beat YouTube. Title: Re: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.com Post by: J? on April 08, 2007, 02:03:22 PM Nothing makes me want GNR more than being told I can't have them. This is an awesome strategy.? Fans might not be happy that the last bit of GNR entertaiment they had is being shut down, but Metallica was able to fight the internet and win.? There's no reason to think Axl can't beat YouTube.? Well look at Metallica, they look like money hungry douchebags with the whole napster thing. If Guns N' Roses wants to look like douchebags, by taking down live versions of songs, well I guess they will do the douche method. I agree with getting leaks taken down from youtube.com, but get real if you don't think they will spread. If the album is ever pressed it is going to leak, so no point in trying to get it not to leak cause it just is going to. Title: Re: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.com Post by: November_Rain on April 08, 2007, 02:13:27 PM Sooooo this could mean the big machine is rolling :beer:
Title: Re: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.com Post by: MotherGooseLuvR on April 08, 2007, 02:22:20 PM Nothing makes me want GNR more than being told I can't have them. This is an awesome strategy.? Fans might not be happy that the last bit of GNR entertaiment they had is being shut down, but Metallica was able to fight the internet and win.? There's no reason to think Axl can't beat YouTube.? Well look at Metallica, they look like money hungry douchebags with the whole napster thing. If Guns N' Roses wants to look like douchebags, by taking down live versions of songs, well I guess they will do the douche method. I agree with getting leaks taken down from youtube.com, but get real if you don't think they will spread. If the album is ever pressed it is going to leak, so no point in trying to get it not to leak cause it just is going to. There's nothing douchebaggy about taking down You Tube videos. I'm sure Axl was really happy that his fans had one last way way to be entertained during the latest delay/period of silence. But maybe there's more to the story... Maybe Axl personally doesn't like You Tube. Maybe he's taking his videos down as a form of protest in hopes that they improve their service. I'm sure Axl wouldn't just ban those videos because he's a dick. I'm sure there's a perfectly good explanation for this. Title: Re: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.com Post by: Mr. Redman on April 08, 2007, 02:24:40 PM Del's the manager.
Title: Re: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.com Post by: gmGnR on April 08, 2007, 02:26:45 PM This is the message I got from youtube: This is to notify you that we have removed or disabled access to the following material as a result of a third-party notification by Tsunami LG claiming that this material is infringing: Guns N' Roses Hammerstein 12/05/06 medley -thenewguns.com-: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnXNYC76pJU Please Note: Repeat incidents of copyright infringement will result in the deletion of your account and all videos uploaded to that account. In order to avoid future strikes against your account, please delete any videos to which you do not own the rights, and refrain from uploading additional videos that infringe on the copyrights of others. For more information about YouTube's copyright policy, please read the Copyright Tips guide. If you elect to send us a counter notice, please go to our Help Center to access the instructions. Please note that under Section 512(f) of the Copyright Act, any person who knowingly materially misrepresents that material or activity was removed or disabled by mistake or misidentification may be subject to liability. Sincerely, YouTube, Inc. I take that as a good sign that we're getting there Title: Re: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.com Post by: November_Rain on April 08, 2007, 02:28:18 PM Del's the manager. You seem pretty sure,how do you know it?Title: Re: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.com Post by: Skunk on April 08, 2007, 02:30:59 PM It could be just a matter of practice, just keeping copyright material where it should be... but if there is some strategy behind it, then it wouldn't be a stretch to think they're clearing the GNR material from YouTube and sites like this because they have something in works that they want the focus on (a video or viral marketing strategy).
Either way, it's always nice to know things are stirring somewhere behind the scenes. Title: Re: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.com Post by: a. on April 08, 2007, 02:31:18 PM Chris Vrenna is one of the producers for this company.
a. Title: Re: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.com Post by: novemberparadise23 on April 08, 2007, 02:31:34 PM i think we can only take this as a good sign that the band now has a management team in place and isnt going out on tour and handing over the album with no one looking out for them
Title: Re: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.com Post by: MotherGooseLuvR on April 08, 2007, 03:04:20 PM Adam Katz is a manager at Tsunami Entertainment.? His bio lists GnR as one of the bands his producing clients have worked with.? We've emailed back and forth a couple of times today.? He claims that neither himself nor anyone at Tsunami is doing any business with GNR.
Obviously Tsunami is doing SOMETHING with GNR. Guess it's something he doesn't deal with. Title: Re: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.com Post by: GnR-NOW on April 08, 2007, 03:07:15 PM I wouldnt put that much faith into whether or not they are handling GNR. Until something is confirmed by Axl or the website, its all speculation. I hope CD is close to coming out, VR is getting alot of good attention lately with their upcoming tour and album.
Title: Re: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.com Post by: give_it_a_rest on April 08, 2007, 03:21:46 PM I wouldnt put that much faith into whether or not they are handling GNR.? Until something is confirmed by Axl or the website, its all speculation.? I hope CD is close to coming out, VR is getting alot of good attention lately with their upcoming tour and album.? VR sucks big time, STP was cool, GN'R is brilliant but VR is terrible :peace: Title: Re: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.com Post by: ZoulonFire on April 08, 2007, 03:24:46 PM What I'm thinking is, sadly, we're going to have to wait for a Sept-Nov. release.... it just doesnt make sense for anyone to "hand it in" to the record company and rush it out in six weeks.... the "proper promotion" includes making SURE everyone is not only aware of the record, but ANTICIPATING it. Dont expect a thing until the fall. Title: Re: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.com Post by: netrix on April 08, 2007, 03:30:58 PM I wouldnt put that much faith into whether or not they are handling GNR.? Until something is confirmed by Axl or the website, its all speculation.? I hope CD is close to coming out, VR is getting alot of good attention lately with their upcoming tour and album.? VR sucks big time, STP was cool, GN'R is brilliant but VR is terrible? :peace: give it a rest! Title: Re: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.com Post by: Regibold on April 08, 2007, 03:35:28 PM This proves and says absolutely nothing.............mere speculation as usual ::)
Title: Re: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.com Post by: MotherGooseLuvR on April 08, 2007, 03:35:58 PM I wouldnt put that much faith into whether or not they are handling GNR.? Until something is confirmed by Axl or the website, its all speculation.? I hope CD is close to coming out, VR is getting alot of good attention lately with their upcoming tour and album.? VR sucks big time, STP was cool, GN'R is brilliant but VR is terrible? :peace: give it a rest! Repeating "VR Sucks" makes it easier for some people to cope with Axl's many failures. Title: Re: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.com Post by: Regibold on April 08, 2007, 03:37:56 PM Tell Tsunami not to forget dimeadozen.org ::)
Title: Re: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.com Post by: 25 on April 08, 2007, 04:13:52 PM Tsunami LG could also doing this on behalf of [insert whichever division of UMG is supposed to be handling GNR this week]. If there's a live DVD on the way, or some sort of online ppv idea being brewed, whomever is financing it would want to protect their investment. So let's not jump to conclusions.
No, Let's jump to a conclusion; If they're complaining about live vids and also homemade vids which feature new GNR demos, it really does seem like whoever had the distribution rights for both would be the most likely to get involved. GNR themselves have never been slow to hit the "threaten a lawsuit" button, so you'd think that if youtube was an issue they would have addressed it sooner. Then again, maybe Tsunami is working with GNR and some intern got a little trigger-happy and is trying to eliminate all bootlegged material. Who knows? It's all bullshit and speculation until we have more information. Title: Re: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.com Post by: 25 on April 08, 2007, 04:20:47 PM Actually, if this IS being done on behalf of the band, as a set-up for a marketing campaign, it could be a good thing. As with the leaks, the best way to control the GNR material available online is to be the primary source. Besides, it's not as though they can entirely eliminate the prospect of GNR material popping up on youtube or other sites. Even with an iron fist, it would take a lot more time than. . . oh, wait.
I'm just glad I spent most of last week keepfile-ing GNR vids. Title: Re: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.com Post by: GNRforever10 on April 08, 2007, 04:44:19 PM It sure would be nice to drive around in the nice warm sun of Summer listening to C.D. instaed of the freezing fall or winter where everyone is getting ready for Halloween and Christmas music, GNR best bet is to drop it before or during Summer agree?
Title: Re: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.com Post by: Ulises on April 08, 2007, 04:46:19 PM They are a marketing and product management company, one of the Hammerstein videos I had on youtube was removed and it was because Tsunami LG complained. This is a description of what Tsunami LG is and does http://dashboard.iventa.com/management/images/tsunami/OneSheet.pdf This mean that an official dvd of Hammersmith will come out or what? Title: Re: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.com Post by: jarmo on April 08, 2007, 06:16:42 PM Here is clarification about the Guns N' Roses and Tsunami Entertainment connection:
Because of all the leaks on the Internet of unreleased material from GN'R's forthcoming Chinese Democracy album, a Tsunami employee who monitors youtube for copyright violations was asked by GN'R's legal team to help stop the uploading of unreleased material. If you have received a notice from youtube then that's because you uploaded copywritten images, performances, and music. And just to clarify, Tsunami Entertainment are not managing Guns N' Roses. /jarmo Title: Re: FALSE: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.com Post by: MotherGooseLuvR on April 08, 2007, 06:33:38 PM It's a shame to hear they're actually wasting any time fighting this. Anybody who's going to go to the trouble to look up, say, a performance of NightTrain from six months ago is going to buy Chinese Democracy anyways. Probably multiple copies. These leaks do nothing to hurt the sales of Chinese Democracy. All Axl's delays and professional blunders do.
There are more important things for GNR and their "management" to be concerned with at this moment. Oh well... I just hope this album comes out soon. I can't wait to hear Axl make more music. Title: Re: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.com Post by: Edward Rose on April 08, 2007, 06:46:55 PM What I'm thinking is, sadly, we're going to have to wait for a Sept-Nov. release.... it just doesnt make sense for anyone to "hand it in" to the record company and rush it out in six weeks.... the "proper promotion" includes making SURE everyone is not only aware of the record, but ANTICIPATING it. Dont expect a thing until the fall. "Dude, this sucks. Life sucks. We're never gonna get the new album. Someone pass me a knife so I can cut myself." (http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/605/gothio0.jpg) Title: Re: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.com Post by: Randy Jesus on April 08, 2007, 07:30:29 PM Here is clarification about the Guns N' Roses and Tsunami Entertainment connection: Because of all the leaks on the Internet of unreleased material from GN'R's forthcoming Chinese Democracy album, a Tsunami employee who monitors youtube for copyright violations was asked by GN'R's legal team to help stop the uploading of unreleased material. If you have received a notice from youtube then that's because you uploaded copywritten images, performances, and music. And just to clarify, Tsunami Entertainment are not managing Guns N' Roses. /jarmo Jarmo that doesn't make any sense, because why would a legal team ask for help from a management company? Legal issues are dealt in the usa directly through legal council that directly represents the client unless Tsunami is part of the legal group in some manner or payed subcontracted consultants. Title: Re: FALSE: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.co Post by: EFISH on April 08, 2007, 07:46:52 PM Edit: Here's some info on this: Here is clarification about the Guns N' Roses and Tsunami Entertainment connection. Because of all the leaks on the internet of unreleased material from GN'R's forthcoming Chinese Democracy album, a Tsunami employee who monitors youtube for copyright violations was asked by GN'R's legal team to help stop the uploading of unreleased material. If you have received a notice from youtube then that's because you uploaded copywritten images, performances, and music. And just to clarify, Tsunami Entertainment are not managing Guns N' Roses. /jarmo Thanks for the clarification Jarmo. I dont see www.gunnerstube.com lasting much longer, in this case. Title: Re: FALSE: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.com Post by: ZRO on April 08, 2007, 08:37:05 PM And people say VR is living in the past. Axl - this isn't the 80's anymore, the internet ain't going anywhere buddy. All this does is piss off many of the remaining fans who haven't already ditched him yet. The fact that he's worried about videos on YouTube at this point is pretty fuckin' lame, all his attention should be focused on getting this album out.
Title: Re: FALSE: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.co Post by: FunkyMonkey on April 08, 2007, 10:19:46 PM Yup they are doing their job... This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Tsunami LG Title: Re: FALSE: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.com Post by: GNRreunioneventually on April 08, 2007, 11:13:18 PM hey Efish, you think those are the assholes that wiped out your Youtube account?
Title: Re: FALSE: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.com Post by: MotherGooseLuvR on April 08, 2007, 11:46:16 PM hey Efish, you think those are the assholes that wiped out your Youtube account? Hey man, those "assholes" you're talking about were ASKED to wipe his YouTube shit... If you got a problem with it, DEAL. Axl has spoken. You don't deserve YouTube vidoes. Title: Re: FALSE: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.com Post by: Naupis on April 09, 2007, 12:12:40 AM Axl worrying about Youtube right now would be like the CEO of Ford Motor Cars identifying the key to turning the company around from losing billions every year as finding cheaper office supplies. It is such a blip on the radar in terms of the bigger problem that it would be retarded to even think about.
If we could get Axl half as interested in releasing albums as he is in stupid trivial shit like this we would probably have 5 or 6 albums by now. He is like that kid studying for a big test the next day who spends his time the night before cleaning his desk up and organizing his notes in order to study, only to realize by morning he failed his test because he spent his time doing stupid shit all night instead of what was really important.....actually studying the material....not facilitating a nice area to do so. Title: Re: FALSE: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.com Post by: GNRreunioneventually on April 09, 2007, 12:18:21 AM hey Efish, you think those are the assholes that wiped out your Youtube account? Hey man, those "assholes" you're talking about were ASKED to wipe his YouTube shit... If you got a problem with it, DEAL.? Axl has spoken.? You don't deserve YouTube vidoes. well they are assholes i'm sure that took Efish alot of time to upload all those vids. and I did "deal" with it ........i got the leaks ;D ::) so i really never had a problem, those were good videos so i watched them alot i was a little mad when they were deleted (not as much as Efish was) so i just asked around and got live recordings and a few leaks. you need to chill out man Title: Re: FALSE: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.com Post by: jazjme on April 09, 2007, 01:09:31 AM Axl worrying about Youtube right now would be like the CEO of Ford Motor Cars identifying the key to turning the company around from losing billions every year as finding cheaper office supplies. It is such a blip on the radar in terms of the bigger problem that it would be retarded to even think about. If we could get Axl half as interested in releasing albums as he is in stupid trivial shit like this we would probably have 5 or 6 albums by now. He is like that kid studying for a big test the next day who spends his time the night before cleaning his desk up and organizing his notes in order to study, only to realize by morning he failed his test because he spent his time doing stupid shit all night instead of what was really important.....actually studying the material....not facilitating a nice area to do so. In the spirit to keep things a bit lite, that was one funny post... but yet insightful... Sadly though in my mind I thought it was only a matter of time these things would happen. Upside is perhaps in order to promote CD properly there is need to remove things that that may confuse people not knowing what is what once the official studio version of the CD comes out. And subsequent videos the band may do. Title: Re: FALSE: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.com Post by: GNRreunioneventually on April 09, 2007, 01:43:35 AM i was bored a little bit ago and went to youtube and sure enuff, almost every video that was on there is gone.
DAMN and i wanted to hear TWAT one more time before they did that >:( O-well :peace: Title: Re: FALSE: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.com Post by: wight gunner on April 10, 2007, 07:00:46 AM clear the decks - Album coming through[/size] Title: Re: FALSE: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.com Post by: John Galt on April 10, 2007, 10:03:18 AM Axl worrying about Youtube right now would be like the CEO of Ford Motor Cars identifying? the key to turning the company around from losing billions every year as finding cheaper office supplies. It is such a blip on the radar in terms of the bigger problem that it would be retarded to even think about. If we could get Axl half as interested in releasing albums as he is in stupid trivial shit like this we would probably have 5 or 6 albums by now. He is like that kid studying for a big test the next day who spends his time the night before cleaning his desk up and organizing his notes in order to study, only to realize by morning he failed his test because he spent his time doing stupid shit all night instead of what was really important.....actually studying the material....not facilitating a nice area to do so. :hihi: I used to work as a Brand Manager for Ford - and yep they are focusing on all those real small costs like office suppliers, and taking every third light bulb out of the building, only running one lift, escalators stop after 5pm etc.......... I kid you not. Title: Re: FALSE: Could there be new Management? - post taken from Chinese Democracy.com Post by: Where is Hassan Nasrallah ? on April 10, 2007, 10:44:16 AM Axl worrying about Youtube right now would be like the CEO of Ford Motor Cars identifying? the key to turning the company around from losing billions every year as finding cheaper office supplies. It is such a blip on the radar in terms of the bigger problem that it would be retarded to even think about. If we could get Axl half as interested in releasing albums as he is in stupid trivial shit like this we would probably have 5 or 6 albums by now. He is like that kid studying for a big test the next day who spends his time the night before cleaning his desk up and organizing his notes in order to study, only to realize by morning he failed his test because he spent his time doing stupid shit all night instead of what was really important.....actually studying the material....not facilitating a nice area to do so. :hihi: I used to work as a Brand Manager for Ford - and yep they are focusing on all those real small costs like office suppliers, and taking every third light bulb out of the building, only running one lift, escalators stop after 5pm etc.......... I kid you not. i second that. I work for one of a big one, and they tend to be very careful with money. except when we have to party :) |