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Sry ive looked everywhere but does anyone know whatever happened to paul

nobody knows.. i think. there is a thread about him in the X-gunners section. maybe you will find your answers there?

After the Vegas shows the man just dissapered, what happened to Paul? Is he still alive? Why isn't he not making music? A lot of people (Slash, Duff, Matt, Fans) have given Paul a bad rap but I think he is just misunderstood. So the questions is

WHAT HAPPENED TO PAUL TOBIAS?

Paul "Huge" Tobias is the Yoko Ono of Guns N Roses. I say good riddance!  he wasn't all that good anyway.

I think he is quite good, very underated

I found this interesting tidbit on MyGNR. It is apparently a short interview with Dizzy by Sp1at. The first answer is vague but intriguing. Oh, if only Axl would let us know what the hell is going on!!

1) Do you know what happened to Paul Huge?

DR) He was dismissed.

2) Have you ever been to 'Red Rocks'. If so, what did you think of the place?

DR) Having grown up in Colorado, I went to dozens of shows at Red Rocks and it is one of the finest if not the finest venue on this planet. Many great shows, many great memories.

3) Do you think there is any chance of Coma or Civil War being played live in the future?

DR) There are G n R tribute bands all over the world right now and I?m sure many are playing Civil War but only the hardest of the hardcore are playing Coma and they are all playing them both incorrectly.

4) Do you involve yourself with the planning of GN'R, or do you leave that to Axl

DR) If someone asks my opinion, I give it.

5) Do you expect CD to deliver a number one single?

DR) If you all go buy it and ask to hear it then yes.

So that means he was fucking fired?!? Axl said he quit because he hated touring!!!

Somebodies fucking lying!!!!!!  :rant:

Wasn't Paul essentially Axls old friend from his hometown? 


I should have thought that Some say otherwise. Guns N Roses must have had so many Yoko Onos. :hihi:

Why the name change from Huge to Tobias? Did he marry a guy or something? LMAO!!

No, you homophobe. He changed it because he could, Axl, Dizzy, Duff, Slash and pretty much everybody who has ever played in GNR has changed their name

Most people dont change their last name. Axl did, but he had a legit reason. I dont remember any of the other members changing their last name.

Whatever, I am not here to argue with you

Not here to argue?? Then why are you judging someone you don't even know by calling them a homophobe over a minor joke?

Uhhh, I thought "Huge" was just a nickname... I don't think he actually had his name legally changed.

yea, Huge was just a nickname & yea he was Axl's hometown friend. 

He was not that good? Its funny since he played on SFTD and no one ever said the playing on that sucked. He was not the Ono of gnr since he was just there until they found a new player. Slash, duff or matt NEVER brough in or gave Axl any names to consider.

 I never understood the reasoning behind bringing him into the band in the first place. For a very brief moment in time back in 1994, GNR were gonna be a 4 member band. At what point was the decision made for Axl to not play rythmn guitar and bring in Paul? I think Paul kind of gets a bad rap. He wasn't the main reason for the band breaking up. I think the disinegration would have occured with or without him. I have a question about the early 94 lineup: Where was Dizzy??

You mean Izzy's real last name is Stradlin?

 ;)

I think he just did what Axl did, or something similar.




/jarmo

Oh yeah, I forgot about Izzy. Damn! Shame on me! LMAO!

Playing on a song that never should have been covered and was characterized by a former GNR member as "the sound of the band breaking up" is nothing to champion the guy about...

Slash was not happy about Tobias being on SFTD, that's partly why he left GNR

Yeah, but consider who said it was the sound of the band breaking up, and their unhappiness with how the decision was made for Paul to be playing on it.? That former member saying that is in no way relevant to the quality of the playing.? Same thing for whether it should have been covered or not, Paul's playing still compliments Slash very nicely.? Similar to what Dave pointed out, I've yet to hear any complaints about the performances on that song.

well, SFTD was a studio recorded song, he probably did more takes than Steven Adler did on Civil War to get it right..
and how do you know if Slash or Duff gave Axl any names or not?
and if Im not wrong, Matt gave the well known name Robin Finck to Axl..

That was after Slash left. Matt pointed out Robin with the idea of him playing rhythm, and Slash coming back to GNR (given that Slash and Matt are supposed to be good friends, perhaps Slash actually did want to come back at this point? I don't know.)

Bah. Who cares. Fortus is a MAJOR upgrade.

I wouldn't worry about Paul Tobias anyway. He's probably selling steak knives door to door until CD hits it huge and he can start raking in some royalties. : ok:

Regarding Paul Tobias Axl said:

"The public gets a different story from the other guys - Slash, Duff, Matt - who have their own agendas. The original intentions between Paul and myself were that Paul was going to help me for as long as it took to get this thing together in whatever capacity that he could help me in. So when he first was brought into this, he was brought in as a writer to work with Slash. At the time those guys never suggested one name. Nobody else. Ever.

Paul was one of the best people we knew who was both available and capable of complimenting Slash's style. You could bring in a better guitar player than Paul. You could bring in a monster. I tried putting Zakk Wylde with Slash and that didn't work. It brought out some interesting things in Slash but it was a different approach that ended up being overpowering and didn't bring out the best in Slash. It brought out some interesting things and it would've worked to do some songs. But Paul was only interested in complimenting Slash, laying down a foundation of a riff or something. That would accent or encourage slash's lead playing. Now whether or not Paul was going to be officially on the album or on the tour that really wasn't an actual consideration at the time. It was in the air as a possibility but Paul was a friend trying to help us and he had a huge respect for Slash. He is and this is the bottom line a good man and that's the reality behind things. That doesn't change what took place with old Guns. I feel that some of the recordings we did in that limited amount of time had some of the best playing that Slash had done at least since Illusions. I was there. I know what I heard and it was pretty exciting."

...

On Richard Fortus replacing Paul Tobias:

"Paul helped us a lot in the writing and the recording of this record and to me was a vital part of not only the band but also my life. The world tour really wasn't his cup of tea whereas he's much more comfortable in a studio setting. We're fortunate to have found Richard who has this vibe kind of like Izzy but with amazing feel. The first thing I heard Richard play was the beginning of "Stray Cat Blues" by the Stones and he did it with the right feel. Richard likes to play rhythm. He's an amazing lead player and very technically skilled. He really likes the pocket that Brain sets and the two of them click with Tommy so we finally have the real deal rhythm section, as Richard is a proven professional. Basically, Richard's the guy that we always were looking for. I think that we'll go on to write some very interesting things with Richard and he's already done some rhythm work and some leads on the album."

Source: GUNS N' ROSES LAUCH "CHINESE DEMOCRACY" TOUR IN CHINA - GNRONLINE.COM

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I think Paul will be on the Democracy-album, I guess he didn't like the pressure of playing live in front of 250.000 people.

I think Paul will be on the Democracy-album, I guess he didn't like the pressure of playing live in front of 250.000 people.
n when Slash left, not when Gilby was fired

That can be respected, I doubt any of you have ever played in front of 200,000 people and to be hated by most GNR fans. That must suck

I don't think Slash ever considered coming back...
and, so what? Robin Finck is still a name isn't it?

Before the 2002 tour and the VR thing I think he wouldn't have minded a reunion, but after is a whole different story

I'll go ahead and say it now then. There is some pretty ragged and badly played rhythm guitar on SFTD. And Paul's little 'answer' part of the guitar solo ain't a whole lot to get hard over either.


Yeah, according to Axl. One mans comment does not the truth make. There is Axl's truth, and the there is the rest of the old band's truth. Somewhere in the middle of that is the real truth.

Read all the Slash, Matt and Duff interviews, nowhere will they say they gave Axl any names to consider for the rhythm guitar spot.

and that proves it? :no:

Yes, it's a name, but that's at least a year AFTER SLASH LEFT. You'll notice that Tobias was brought in to work with Slash, so that's BEFORE SLASH LEFT. Tobias was brought in because none of the other members had offered any other name. It doesn't matter if Sorum picked out Finck after Slash left, it has no bearing on the decision to bring in Tobias years before that.

you do know that Axl brought Paul in without consulting the others, right?

Yes. Big deal. They all knew the guy, so it was hardly as though Axl just picked someone off the street. And if they didn't like it, there's a simply way to deal with that; "Hey, Axl, we hate Paul. Why don't we get X guy from X band instead?"

Of course, there's always the "throw a hissy fit and go crying to the press" option too.

First point, no one ever bitch about that song when they thought it was Gilby playing on it, just now when people know its paul do they say his guitar part sucks on the song.

2nd point. Show me one interivew or just name me one person slash duff or matt named as a replacemnt for Gilby.
Here is a hint, there is none because they never gave axl one.

rubbish. I have stated all along that Huges parts on Sympathy are a disgrace on principal alone.

The fact that Slash etc.. hadn't suggested a replacement means nothing in the context of this point(if infact they didnt? suggest anyone as it cant be corroborated either way). Slash wasn't informed Huge was going to do those parts, he found out after the fact - that is a disgrace no matter how you look at it, to treat the only real guitar "icon" of the last 25 years in such away. It's as much an insult as if say Slash had? brought in one of his old buddies from back home to sing over Axls vocals without telling Axl. I'm sure Axl wouldnt have been happy about that regardless of if he'd suggested someone else or not.

Both Axl and Slash are two of the greatest icons/legends etc.. the rock n' roll gods have ever created. That Axl chose to treat Slash with such disrespect amazes me.

Exactly!!.  I remember reading somewhere that Slash said that was the worst thing Axl ever did to him, bringing in Tobias on SFTD w/o telling him first.  It is an insult, as Slash and Tobias are nowhere in the same league.

I've always thought that SFTD sucked. Mostly due to the guitar playing. My first reaction to that song was something along the lines of 'this is pretty sub-par for a GnR release....'. I just didn't happen to be around here to express that to you. Sorry. I'll be sure to check all my opinions with you from here on in.  ;D


And because it was never expressed in print or an interview it never happened? That logic make no sense: 'I never saw it expressed in any interviews therefore it never happened....'. C'mon dude, thats just silly.

Your argument holds no water. Who knows what went on with them during that time. You don't know any more than I do about it so don't feed me some bullshit argument trying to prove that you do.

So the fuck what? So its only true if you can read it somewhere? Bullshit.

I've been reading since 1999 that Chinese Democracy is almost done. And we all know what a pile or horseshit that is. Don't beleive everything you read, and don't assume if you didn't read it that it never happened.

Exactly, well said Jimmy. That was spitting in Slashs face.

The guitar work in GNR became Slash's territory when Izzy began to drift away during the Illusions recordings.  Axl worked the vocals, Slash the guitars. That was what made Illusions the albums they were and that was how the power play in GNR panned out as Izzys presence in GNR diminished.

To bring in an outsider into your band without asking the team is unforgivable, it's a blatant 'fuck you' to the rest of your team mates. I'm sure all you football fans out there would not like to see your favourite teams coach bring in a crap player just because he's an old school friend, it's unprofessional and unfair.


This band was the biggest in the world at the time with about half a billion dollars worth of business done, you can't just invite some old ass-kisser from your home town in to play badly over songs, show me one other professional band at GNRs level where that occured.

All that stuff that Axl said about Paul respecting Slash is just ass, Matt walked out  because of comments Huge made about Slash and was fired. It is a staggering arrogance to float into the biggest band in the world  play badly hiding behind the singer and then start bad mouthing a guitar legend who was the guitar sound of GNR. The old band said they didn't like the guy because he was a terrible player and just didn't belong. They were in GNR, not any of us, so I respect their opinions over any of ours anyday.
peace,
intercourse

My mind is probably not where it should be, but WHAT is huge then ? :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

I have no idea where the nickname "Huge" came from.  Maybe Axl gave it to him? who knows.  All I know is he was the final nail in the coffin of original GNR.

Is paul huge that bad ?


PS :

Yoko Ono wasn't that bad, but John Lennon was a dickhead, he didn't need anyone to be a very much hated man.

not so bad, but Slash didn't like him



WHAT?????? WHAT!!!!!!!

John was wrong maybe, but I hope to never read another word like "dickhead" referred to him!!!  :rant:

I hate Yoko, not John!!

Paul Huge was "adequate" at best, but regardless of that, how do u just bring someone in w/o telling the lead guitarest(sp?).  Axl basically treated Slash as though he was just part of a back-up band.

Offtopic i know, but John forced yoko to live with another asian girl twice her age just because john took a fancy..You have no idea what she had to put up with. He really was not a nice person.

What a fuck head! >:( How unjust!

Besides I think Yoko Ono is way too overrated  badly. So are all the so called "Yoko Onos of GN'R".

A band breaks up when it brakes.

People like you crack me up.  Axl said slash NEVER gave him a replacment guitar player, slash never said that he did give one. So what does that tell you? Who did you think was going to play the parts that paul did on the album, a ghost?  All slash had to do is give a give axl a name to audution but he never did that. You claiming its not true is just silling since both slash and axl pretty much agree on this. I guess their words are not good enough right?  I know what happened by the interviews of axl and the ex members, they are out there go google them and  you will see we are right.

you fail, conviniently I might add, to address the main point in that Slash was never notified nor asked regarding Huges involvment.
This is the heart of the matter, not whether or not Slash etc.. suggested a replacment which is beside the point...

Also... to back you up further Jimmy,
Please remember that Slash re-did many of Izzys tracks on UYI with direct input from Axl. They worked fine as a pair with a rhythm guitarist still in the band.  Axl had no plans to tour for at least two years after the UYI tour so no rhythm guitarist was urgently required. Anyway, I think Slash was too concerned about his own future in the band to worry about finding a replacement for Gilby/Izzy.
Furthermore, Slash was most accomadating to facilitate Zack Wilde in the band as a possible member, in fact most lead players would not tolerate that kind of choice. Axl bringing a second world famous lead player onto Slashs patch is a questionable action at best. I wonder how Axl would feel if Slash invited Chris Cornell down to jam a few melodies....

Nice way to dodge the question Jimmy.

and what question would that be Dave? The one about who was going to play the parts? How about Slash himself or at the very least, someone that Slash had agreed upon?

Dave,

You are dodging Jimmy's point,  not the other way around.
NOBODY should be playing rhythm guitar until the band members with a say in the matter agree on who that person should be.
NOBODY should appear on a bands recording unless all members with a say have been told in advance and agree to it.

I cannot believe that you will not acknowledge Axls actions as lousy and disrespectful. It would appear to me that you are either blind to Axls faults or have never been part of a group activity where openess, democracy and fair play are vital.

What about the TSI hidden track? Wasn't there some shit there as well. I seem to remember that Axl and Slash alone recorded "look at your game girl" and put it on the album and the rest of the band didn't know about it. Correct me if I'm wrong. But isn't this the same type of shit? Why wouldn't Duff, Gilby, Dizzy and Matt be informed about that track? It's OK if Slash is involved but if he's in the dark he's pissed? Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Axl should've brought Tobias in without consulting Slash, but, a virually unknown (at the time) soundtrack song doesn't seem to be that big of a deal to me compared to a full album. Maybe Axl was unhappy with the Rhythm on the track and Slash was unreachable and it was due immediately, to tell you the truth, none of us knows what the fuck happened so why are we getting so worked up over it? The band was falling apart anyway, if it wasn't that incident then something else would've happened. They were all sick of each other.

I don't think Slash plays on that track.




/jarmo

Do you have an article regarding the controversy of that song jarmo?

I can't think of any at the moment.




/jarmo

'cause towards the end of the Illusions recordings Slash and Axl ran the show and that was how things ran from there on out until the band started to collapse. Gilby, and Matt were in the band upon Slashs recommendation, Dizzy because of Axl.  They were the bosses.

you're right man and this fact  makes almost all of what we post here essentially bullshit, but I'm addicted like the rest of the HTGTH alumni  and will continue!

slash doesnt plays in Look at your game girl.... a guy named Carlos Booy.. plays the guitar (slash said this in an article)... Dizzy plays the percussion...

This thread has become very interesting.......

Slash wanted Ryan Roxie to play rhythm in Guns N' Roses. Axl wanted Paul. Period.

And who was this?

if this is true then why wasn't it much of an issue, but slash's rhythm on a soundtrack song was the end of it all?

I think the whole band was so fucked up mentally and physically that nobody knew what they wanted to do as a group they only knew what they wanted to do as individuals. Duff was Doing Beleive in Me, Gilby was doing Pawnshop Guitars, Slash was doing Snakepit, and the three of them were in each others bands and then matt helped them all out as well.

The only one that had GnR on his mind was Axl (at least thats the way I looked at it back then) Why would Axl ask for opinions from them when they were all busy? I think that Axl should've did what the rest of them did and record some solo stuff. But to Axl, he IS guns. so why should he do solo stuff? Its all just really fucked up. Ya know what I mean?

I read years ago that Axl's gardener played guitar on the manson song. My dad wasnt a big GNR fan, but he liked this song. Go figure. 

Mabey we'll have the pleasure of listening to a song about Axl's gardener on CD.

Funny.

*Sarcastic clapping in backround*

Funnier than you.

I'm a funny guy what can I say.


I dunno.....maybe Slash? Slash could easily do all the guitar work in the studio. And Slash never saying that he gave one is not the same as Slash saying that he never gave one. Way to mix up your words.


Slash told me he did. No wait he didn't because I wasn't there. I guess you were.


I have a better idea. Why don't you google them and give me the links to read since your so hellbent on this. I don't recall reading anywhere that they had agreed on this, but hey, heres your chance to give me evidence.

Of course you are.

*Even more sarcastic clapping in the backround*

absolutley agree  : ok:

A band is not a democracy, eventually one person will take more power away from the others, they get more attention, they get the cash, they get the glory. I believe that when Axl hired Paul Tobias to join the band he did a wise decision, he did something that Duff and Slash were to afraid to do because they did not want to be critizied for it. Axl had every right to hire Paul because Slash was still getting wasted by that stage and Duff was off making shitty punk albums. He held the band together, or tried too, but in the end Duff and Slash packed up and left the band, possibly for the better

It wasn't so much bringing in Paul Huge that broke them up, it was the fact that Axl had him re-record some of SFTD and didn't tell Slash.......now that was just wrong, and Slash has said that that was the one thing that hurt him most

This is all new info to me ???

hell I didn't know Tobias played on SFTD I thought it was Gilby still.

Like I said before though, from the "Behind the Music" special it sounds as though the band was so fucked up on drugs and booze that they really had no clue as to what was happening around them. With "Believe in Me" and "It's five o'clock somewhere" maybe Axl was pressured into completing the track and Slash was unavailable (we all know how erratic Axl can be :o ) maybe he just took it upon himself to bring in a guitarist, obviously it wasn't the right thing to do. We have no idea of the kind of pressures that were put on those guys, fuck man they were the biggest band in the world, maybe the execs said "we want it done and we want it done today" and Slash said "can't make it use what I aready did" and Axl said "no way it's not quite right" and Tobias said "I'll do it" and then they recorded it. Who the fuck knows, It's ancient history and only speculation? We are probably all wrong in our ideas about it.

Anyway this incident is what I think this part in IRS is referring to. In fact I think that song is about the GnR breakup and Lawsuits surrounding it.

"It wouldn't be the first time I'd been wrong
It wouldn't be the last, I'm sure, I've found
With all the rumors I can tell
some things didn't work so well "

Interview Regarding TSI?:

Los Angeles. Now is the noise around Guns N' Roses last record, The Spaghetti Incident?, and the song "Look At Your Game Girl", written by the massmurderer Charles Manson culminating. The record company's plans on cutting out the song from the record has made the band's singer, Axl Rose, furious.
*******
- The song is there because it's good and I recognize myself in the lyrics, not to chock, he says. Already have 3,5 million copies with the song "Look At Your Game Girl" been released and in Sweden the album have gone straight into the sales-list's second spot. But if Geffen Records owner David Geffen determines the song wont be on the next pressings. And to Aftonbladet confirms Christina Rood on Geffen Records in Los Angeles that "Look At Your Game Girl" will be cut out from the record.
  - It wont be on the next delievery, she says.
   Axl Rose have no understanding for the reactions. He claims that the band recorded the song just because it was good.
   - I liked the lyrics, he says. It's about a mad girl who plays a mad game and it felt like a description of a situation I was in myself. I thought it was ironic that it was written by Charles Manson, a man who should be familiar with madness. Rose also says that the band have been doing everything to reduce the song's importance.
   - We don't thank Charles Manson on the cover and the song is like a hidden bonus-track, he says. Still, he does not mention that the originator instead is thanked with a whisper in the end of the song and that he the last year have been wearing t-shirts that says "Charlie don't surf" on the back. In USA have people been upset about the fact that Charles Manson who in 1969 was sentenced for the murder of seven people, can recieve royalties from both the t-shirt sells and the record sells. With highest probability is the man who tortured and murdered the pregnant actress Sharon Tate and six of her friends going to be a millionaire in prison.

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Interview with Slash:

When it comes to controversial exploitions you could say that Guns N' Roses was for the eighties what the Sex Pistols was for the seventies. Rebels from different eras, but with very much in common.
We can have a look at some resemblances. Both Sex Pistols and Guns tore up feelings around taboo areas like heroin addiction, oaths in TV, turbulent relationships and outspoken, although incorrect political statements.

Duff McKagan underlines the resemblances by wearing a dog chain with a lock around his neck. Didn't Sid Vicious, the bass player of Sex Pistols, wear one like that too? There are differences too. GN'R doesn't keep it a secret that they are influenced by bands like Aerosmith, Led Zeppelin, and even Elton John. Just the crowd the Sex Pistols rebelled against. Sex Pistols never sold any major editions and wasn't played often on the radio, at least in the US. Guns N' Roses sell millions and millions of albums, and are played constantly on radio around the world. Sex Pistols never came further then the small clubs. Guns are already arena veterans! But "The Spaghetti Incident?" weaves the souls of the two bands together.

It shows clearly how a little rattling band from London has affected an entire generation. Guns N' Roses probably think it's great that millions of fans has made them to the greatest rock phenomena of our time, but I also think that they didn't dream of becoming what they once fought against. An industrial money machine, a part of the establishment. -It would be cool if our fans discovered the bands that meant so much to us, says Slash. That's why we wrote "A great song can be found anywhere. Do yourself a favour and go find the originals" in the booklet. It was written so damn much good songs when we grew up. Most of the records are hard to find and several of the musicians are dead, almost everyone are broke. It didn't go well for our heroes.

- I met Steve Jones from the Sex Pistols at Matt's wedding. He asked when the record came out and if our version of Black Leather sounded better then the "cover" the Runaways did. Absolutely, I said, it sounds better then your version too...

The songs for the record was picked by the boys themselves. Slash had his favourites ready: - I wanted to do Nazareth's "Hair of the dog", T-Rex "Buick Makane", and Fears "I don't care about you". Those are songs that meant much to me. Axl always hums on the Skyliners' "Since I don't have you", and he loves "Black leather" so those were his choices.

Duff picked "Down on the farm" by the UK Subs, and we all wanted to a song by the New York Dolls. It became "Human Being".

I don't even play on "Look at your game girl", it's a guy named Carlos...
The Charles Manson song caused a outcry in the press, and Axl had to make an official excuse.

- It was exactly what we wanted to avoid, says Slash. That's the reason why we didn't wrote neither the name of the song or Manson's name. We didn't want to be related with him. But thing never turn out the way you want...
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- The recordings of the songs were spontaneous and unpainted.
- I love recording like this, means Slash. During Appetite..., Lies and Use Your... I had to put up with Izzy the whole time. I never liked playing with him. It was wonderful to escape him on this record. It sounds tighter and so much cooler than anything we've done before. I always got irritated over Izzy's way of playing. It didn't sound right. Before "Spaghetti", we erased his guitar and Gilby put on a new one. It sounded perfect!
- But it's wrong to call this a punk record, he means. Call it rock instead, cause that's what it is... only rock n' roll.
 

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Thanks AxlsMainMan! I think thats to article I was talking about

So, Isn't that duff saying he didn't play on the LAYGG track? thats how I read it anyway.

EDIT: I re-read it I think it is Slash saying he doesn't play on the track. weird. Anyway he doesn't seem to have a problem not appearing on it though. but SFTD is a totally different matter? What the fuck is the difference? that what I ask. In fact, I would be more upset being in the dark about a track off of an album than a Movie soundtrack recording. Maybe that's just me, I don't know

Slash has some pretty harsh shit to say about Izzy, eh?
"During Appetite..., Lies and Use Your... I had to put up with Izzy the whole time?"
"I always got irritated over Izzy's way of playing?"
"I never like playing with Izzy?"
"It didn't sound right?"

COME ON!!!

For all you people saying Axl's the only one who dissed Izzy, what do you think of that shit, hmm?

People say things when they are mad.  I am sure Slash was also upset when Izzy left the band in the MIDDLE OF A TOUR!!  They patched things up though, because Izzy worked with him writing songs for VR or something.

The whole thing with SFTD is that Paul Tobias re-recorded some parts, but Slash was not informed of that until after the fact.

Those comments were like 2 years after Izzy left!!!! And if Slash knew about the recording of LayGG then why would some Carlos jackass play on it and not Slash? Did he pull an Adler and twirl drumsticks in his hair while they played? gimme a fuckin' break.

Those comments were like 2 years after Izzy left!!!! And if Slash knew about the recording of LayGG then why would some Carlos jackass play on it and not Slash? Did he pull an Adler and twirl drumsticks in his hair while they played? gimme a fuckin' break.

Maybe he just didn't want to play on it.  He wasn't upset about not playing on LAYGG.  He was upset about guitar parts being re-recorded for SFTD.  And as for comments about Izzy, I am sure Slash and Izzy made their peace as Izzy came back to GNR for a bit in 1995, and then Izzy has worked with VR.

I'm sure they've kissed and made up too, but Axl and izzy must've too because he came back to GnR (for a short time) right? anyway thats not the argument. I just pointed out that Axl was not the only one who slammed Izzy.

About the LAYGG track, personally, if it was me, I would be more pissed off that a track, which was on an official album (and their last studio release too i might add) when I didn't know it was even recorded,  than I would be at some of my parts being redone on a secondary track on a soundtrack. Slash's lead was still on SFTD right?

As to slash not wanting to play on that track, I don't agree with that at all. Slash was a huge part of GnR why would he not want to play guitar on a song? Doesn't make sense to me.

I have never read that quote by Slash. I must say I am shocked. But, it proves one thing, Slash has had nothing but "yes" men as well since Izzy left. The players who he wanted as rhythm basically do what Slash wants. That is why Slash could have never handled Zakk, or Navarro, or any other guitar player who may challenge him, including Izzy. Kushner's a yes man too. If there is anything I want to hear it is the covers recorded with Izzy because Gilby was way to stilted and stiff on Spaghetti. Quite ironic that Slash does the exact things that people allege Axl does-surrounds himself with yes men. I hope this starts a big rumble because that quote speaks volumes about Slash's ability to work with other guitar players. :o

Mee too. It's a remarkable speech of Slash, somewhat shocking, somewhat chilly. :nervous:

I don't know how Axl dissed Izzy.
This interview is also new to me. Ta, AxlsMainMan.

Here Slash is saying like he never enjoyed playing with Izzy. He prefers Gilbys way of playing.
I mean he's dissing Izzy's guitar, not his personality.

On the top of that He considers TSI superior to any of the original GN'R songs?

Now I'm dumbfounded.
So, what Axl said was bloody true that only poverty had stuck the former members together.

Like I said before, there were two camps, the Indiana boys and the west coast boys. Izzy was the middle man between Slash and Axl. Once Izzy left, que sera sera.

Who knows why he didn't play on it.  Maybe b/c of possible controversy?  I've never read anywhere or heard anything about him being upset about NOT playing on LAYGG.

Again though, One in a Million was way more controversial than LAYGG. so that makes no sense either. GnR WERE controversy. and thats exactly my point!! he wasn't pissed about being in the dark about one song but the other he was. It makes NO FUCKING SENSE to me!!!

Besides, with the way Slash reacted to One in a Million, who can blame Axl for just doing it without the band's knoweldge?

If Slash was so fucking upset about playing on One in a Million then why did he fucking play in it? I tell you, because he's a money driven pussy

True.
Slash sticks with the old friends and takes the easy way out.

On the other hand,  Axl likes to try working with new n hell different ppl one after another, not in the least discouraged by repeated(?) failures....seemingly. :P

Again, he was upset that Axl had Paul Huge re-record parts to SFTD without his knowledge.  He states that that is the thing he could never forgive Axl for.  That is disrepsectful.  And where do you get that he didn't know about LAYGG being recorded?  He talks about it being  controversial on a few occasions.

Wait. :headscratch:
Slash is saying he never liked playing with Izzy and he had to put up with him the whole time Izzy was in the band.
In this case who had worked hard as the bonds between Slash and Izzy from AFD days to UYI?

Maybe against all appearances, the real middle man was Axl.

what the fuck are you talking about? Slash has played alongside some of the best musicians in the world, and he's sought after big time by alot of famous artists. When it comes to forming his own band of course he's gonna hand pick musicians that compliment him. As for Axl's courage of working with other musicians, besides Bucket, who has he played with who's worth a shit? Finck, yeah right, Pittman? Josh Freese? Paul Tobias LOL, Vrenna? I guess I give him credit for playing w/Brian May, but who knows, May's parts probably will never surface. Slash was hand picked by fucking Ray Charles, I could on and on about the legends that have invited Slash to play on their record or to jam. People turn down Axl unless they as someone said"money driven pussies", who would deal with endless rehearsing and recording with no result?  Some of you people are just fucking outrageous with with this shit

No shit. His One-off working with those already-big names only proves my point. Slash's been after the safer way. And Now? Yeah, His band is full of new faces.
Mind you, I'm not necessarily saying the expediency and conventionality are always bad.

I'm just saying Axl and his choice are bally ballsy.

It's well known what happened to Tobias.... he got a job at the same Denny's as Pittman.




Fortus is way better anyway

Fortus is only playing parts that were written by other musicians i.e Izzy and Paul so you can't really say that he is the better player.

What?

yeah  i agree with you  ppbebe axl`s choices are bally ballsy.

i mean i love slash but he`s really a money driven pussy. he still wears his 20 years old hat and keeps his old image to sell records. also he is playing in a band that consists only of members who were famous in the past.

Contrary to Axl who has a really different look and built up a band which consists mostly of musicians that most of us never heard of before. Imo Axl is the only one of the "old gnr" who makes what he wants to.

" I'm practically a free man and if you don't like it you'll have plenty of time to get used to the idea."  This sentence says a lot i think. 

Slash does all he is able to, to keep his image and milk it, whereas Axl advanced and that`s what i like him for partly.

I always luv how some of u people state things as though whaxl has actually done something in the last decade. Like Slash has stayed his boring old self while axl has advanced! good one :hihi:. Or botaxl has made GnR exactly how he wanted to do it! LMAO. U really think axl wants a guitar section of dick fortus & butcher fiNck? what r they like almost 40 years old each & i can't name a song either has EVER penned that has been released on a disc. but yeah, there gonna conquer the world! whooooohoooo! fortus & finck forever! not.

Whatever, dude there are two kinds of people in the world, those that look forward to what's gonna happen, and those that just look back.  :smoking:

So if Slash had gotten really bad cosmetic surgery, cut off his hair & done pretty much nothing for the last 12 years he would be cool just like botaxl? I guess that what u mean by saying whaxl looks forward, right? but axl is really ballsy cause he destryed a lengendary band, lost all his friends, and made a shockingly bad comeback attempt, is that what u r trying to say?

Ha? What are you on about?

How could I possibly know YOU'd have had bad cosmetic surgery, cut off your hair, done pretty much nothing for the last 12 years or whatever? And I have no idea who the hell whaxl is.
I'm just saying there are two kinds of people in the world, those that are like WARose, me n such, and those that are like you, perhaps.

I can't elaborate on it any further.

W.Botaxl Rose, fuck off from this thread right fucking now. Don't post here again and just plain fuck off.

looks like usuker is trying to get himself banned?  :yes:

Looks like my message didn't get through your wooden head, DON'T POST ON THIS THREAD AGAIN MOTHERFUCKER

What?

I always wondered if Izzy also knew paul & what he thought of him?

if axl had some balls he would have released CD by now
I think that axl is more insecure than ballsy

just my 0.02

Stop wasting fucking web space with this garbage.





/jarmo

Of course Izzy knew Paul, they all grew up together.

Hmmmmm, interesting.

You hit the nail on the head there.

I know in 2002 he left but, that doesn't mean that he's not a studio member. Does anyone know for sure if he is still with Axl. I hope so, Paul Tobias is an amazing guitar player, and I hope we can hear his work on Chinese Democracy.

Thank you Paul for all your work, you are the best!

I suppose he's not a member anymore... but this is impossible to know with precision.

Anyway, I wouldn't say he's currently a member of GNR, but I bet we will see some ''Tobias'' credit in CD

Well, let me pull out my crystal ball....... ::) what is Dave Lank doing these days, is he still involved? :nervous:

i don't know bout that dude but i heard that brain was out and Frank was in. Dont know for sure though its a rumor flying around Blabbermouth.

:peace:

I read a while back he is still involved with GNR.

According to the Mank Rage Myspace he is, I would think that's pretty reliable...

Who knows though?

where does it say on there he is?

Paul Tobias is Guns N' Roses.

About the guy from Mank Range saying Paul is still on GNR...

The post itself is deleted.. But there's still a quote here:

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=37216.msg749072#msg749072

MrRedfield isn't in mank rage.

I agree Paul Tobias IS Guns N' Roses!

God I would love to see Paul onstage with Axl again...

This is why we need the HOB 2001 DVD, Axl and Paul together on stage for the first time, I would do anything to see that...

hmmm. yeah.

you see, the thing is, is that i was taking the piss.

I laughed so hard at this whole exhchange...  :rofl:


Who knows if he's still involved. Probably not much, it's been a long time and there's a lot of talented guys besides him who have a much bigger place in the GNR family (bandmembers, izzy, drummers who might still be bandmembers... maybe baz...)
I don't even know how involved he was to begin with.. did he ever write anything?

"He co-wrote "Back Off Bitch", "Shadow Of Your Love", "Oh My God", and "IRS". He also played rhythm and lead guitar on the band's cover version of "Sympathy for the Devil"."

And I assume he wrote songs that will be on Chinese Democracy...

why did he leave guns n' roses ?

"Paul helped us a lot in the writing and the recording of this record and to me was a vital part of not only the band but also my life. The world tour really wasn't his cup of tea whereas he's much more comfortable in a studio setting."

He really wasn't for touring but, noone ever said that he is out of the band. I would like to assume he still is a studio member, I hope.

''Whitout Paul,will not be more GUNS N ROSES'' - AXL ROSE Rio III



 THANKS PAULLLLLLLLLL   :beer:

Yes, I forgot about OMG and BOB, but now i'm curious, how do we know who wrote on IRS?

I would imagine he is still an important support for Axl even now. Not sure about actual writing etc. tho.

Why are you thanking him when you dont know what he did or what he contributed? He could have been the reason Axl was uncomfortable touring in 2002 (as he mentioned he was on the Eddie Trunk show) and it could have cost us 4 years of a delay because of his depature. Unless you like 'Back Off Bitch' and 'Shadow of Your Love' and the Rhythmn Guitar Section on 'Sympathy for the Devil' which is apparently both the reason Slash and Matt Sorum left the band then you really shouldnt be praising a man who as far as I can see may have delayed the GNR Project almost 4 years and gotten rid of a great Guitarist and Drummer (oh and got Gilby Clarke kicked out of the band, who I actually liked)

He could still be a member, his writing could still be used on the album, we dont know. My personal opinion is he still has a behind the scenes role in GNR much like Del James but personally speaking I dont think you're right to congragulate him because he's actually done very little and caused a lot of damage

paul tobias....can suck my dick........a true gunner doesn`t care about him.......

Oh I guess I'm not a "true gunner" then

damn...  :'(

He's a studio member, if going by Axl and that Mank Rage dude's word.

I'm not a big fan...BUT...

What Axl said at RIR3...something along the lines of..."Without Paul, there would be no Guns N' Roses"

"paul tobias....can suck my dick........a true gunner doesn`t care about him......."
....you are a f*$#@ng moron,
   I assume you are all big Axl fans ....if that is the case then you should thank Paul ....He helped Axl through a rough time, not contribute to one ...as far as songwriting credit goes, you will have to wait till you get the CD to know for sure....If you love the CD and Pauls name is all over it, then you bashers should come back on here and admit your (stupidity) lack of knowledge

Someone is always fuckin lying when it comes to this band

actually if its really true that Paul is the reason Slash left, then I fucking love the guy.    Now we have Robin Finck in Slash's place and Robin is much much much much much much much very much better suited for this band and a better live performer.    So if what you say is true, GnR kicks ass because of Paul.

Jim Bob you've got problems!  I don't mind Robin Finck and accept the fact that he is now the Guitarist for GNR, but if it was somehow possible, any person worth a shit would want Slash back!

 Robin will be all over CD and I can't wait to hear it... I'd take Robin over Slash any day.
I love Slash for what he done in GnR past.. but that's where Slash is in GnR. Slash has no place in this band and Robin owns

I don't really know the deal with paul but axl said with out him there would be no more GnR.. so rock on paul! :peace:

so you measure a person's worth by them wanting Slash bck in the band? :o

sorry to burst your bubble, but many of us are genuinely happy that Robin is in the band and wouldn't trade him for ANYBODY.  Not even your precious Slash.

you're an idiot

thanks.  big surprise coming from someone who hates the band yet still comes here everyday.

I dont hate the band i just think someone should have more respect for the people involved in creating some of the greatest music ever released.

why is it disrespectful to be thankful that Robin is in the band?  He's my favorite guitarist.

oh yea, because he's not your all mighty slash.  ::)   sorry, but the world does not revolve around slash.   thats no disrespect, its the truth.  your opinion is your opinion, I have mine.    Not everyone will share your opinion, deal with it.

I respect your opinion Jim Bob, but I can guarantee that if you surveyed all GNR fans (not just the ones on this board) that 90% of them would take Slash back in a heartbeat.  It's not that they don't like Robin, it's just that Nostalgia is a powerful bitch!

So true

o yea thnk god for robinh finck yea right hes good but no slash   :rant:

Back on topic:

I went to Jack in the Box yesterday and Paul took my order. He was very polite and  courteous. I asked him what was up and he said "not much."  :hihi:

I do believe that he got into the building industry.

About the writing on IRS...

I dunno from where hogg2500x took this, but from what I hear on the demos, I could tell he part of the little intro (the old demos were all Paul, but the last one had some Robin first).

From what is being played live, it may be only Robin on the final version...

Still, I think Paul did co-wrote or wrote a lot of stuff on early days.