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Q Magazine

In The Studio
by Dan Stubbs

'Death Played A Big Part.'

VELVET REVOLVER: Feel Their Pain

Having sold more than two million copies of their debut album Contraband, Velvet Revolver - the hard rock supergroup featuring ex-members of Guns N' Roses and Stone Temple Pilots - are bullish about the follow-up.

"We wanted to make a record that stands up against the greats, such as Exile On Main St.," says frontman Scott Weiland, relaxing at Hollywood's Henson Studios. "And I absolutely think we've done it."

Six months ago, he'd have been telling a different story. Heavy touring had taken its toll on the band, with some members - they won't say which - falling into old drink and drug habits. When Rick Rubin (Red Hot Chili Peppers, Johnny Cash) signed up for the project last summer, it seemed like they'd been thrown a lifeline, but the in-demand producer failed to give them the guidance they needed.

"He came to our studio a few times and just told us to write more songs," says bassist Duff McKagan. "By November we had 50 songs, but we'd lost direction."

At the lith hour, they hired Pearl Jam and Bruce Springsteen producer Brendan O'Brien and things finally clicked. Of the 12 tracks on the new album, Get Out The Door has a feel-good dance groove. Spay is a vitriolic punk number that attacks the Paris Hiltons of the world and Messages is a lush ballad sung from the perspective of a passenger on one of the hijacked 9/11 planes.

Lyrically, it's a major departure from Contraband, which largely dealt with Weiland's ongoing battle with heroin. Though he's clean now, the effects of drugs still cast a shadow over the album - Weiland's brother Michael died of an overdose during its production, and one song, Pills, Demons, Etc, deals with the subject explicitly. "Michael's death played a big part in the writing of this record," says the singer. "But the way I see it, he's finally free from pain. He's achieved final liberty."

The album will be mixed over the next two weeks at O'Brien's Atlanta studio under the watchful eye of Weiland and guitarist Slash. After that, expect some concentrated touring before a June release.

"The album is head and shoulders above Contraband," says Weiland. "It has more texture. And it still rocks like a motherfucker."

SLEEVE NOTES

Working title: Libertad
Due: June 2007
Completed Tracks: Messages, Grave Dancers, She Builds Quick Machines, Gas And A Dollar Laugh, Pills, Demons, Etc., Get Out The Door, This Fight Could Be The Last Fight, Spay
Producer: Brendan O'Brien
Recorded at: Henson Studios, Hollywood

Messages is a lush ballad sung from the perspective of a passenger on one of the hijacked 9/11 planes.

This sounds pretty awkward.. I wonder what they've done on this track ;D

Anyway, I'm eagerly awaiting the first single  : ok:

Nice article.

This bit had me a little worried:?


but hopefully whoever it was was is clean again now..

Well, Matt has been very open about his stint back in rehab so an educated assumption would be they were speaking of him.

Slash was in rehab too broe.  I'm thinking them 2 had a little pow from time to time.  And then a little got more and more.......

sounds like the albums a bit more personal. lets hope they keep a  rock solid backing noise to make the lyrics be worth anything

What's with the Paris Hilton obsession?
First, 'Dirty Little Thing' and now 'Spay'? :headscratch:

At least he's not modest.




/jarmo

You can hear the chorus for this song and read the lyrics on the Vlog (I forget which one).

Yeah, it's always great to hear an artist being satisfied with his record  : ok:  I'm glad they think it's mindblowing and 'Earth-shattering'!  8) Can't wait to hear Libertad! 2007 will be the best year in music since 1991  :drool:

Being satisfied and excited about your new material is one thing, to claim it's a classic and compare it to some of the all-time greatest albums is something else.

 : ok:


But he also thinks they're the only dangerous (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtcnUsyH7Wk) band out there these days so....



/jarmo

I've got a feeling that duff might also have let himself go a bit that would also explain the weight loss, I think there even was a rumor a couple of months back that he also checked himself into rehab....

Isn't dirty little thing about Scott's drug problems and what not? not Paris Hilton?

What's wrong with that? I didn't hear your complaints when Brain said CD would be GN'R's Led Zep III. It's great when bands are satisfied with their albums.

The stupid 'dangerous' image really did hurt you. ?:-\ ?Hope one of them will bite a bodyguard on the leg to fulfil the requirements.

ever heard of this thing called "joking"?


i wouldn't be surprised if scott also were in to re-hab :hihi:

Hehe guess they are trying to live up to their dangerous image after all? ;)

Oh, so you wanna bring in GN'R into this? Are you sure? I mean, are you really really sure you wanna bring GN'R into the VR section? I thought you hated that?


"GN'R's Led Zeppelin II" is way different than "being as great as Led Zeppelin II".




Maybe his wife can burn more of his clothes and they can perform at more RNRHOF shows playing half-assed covers?  :-*

Proclaiming your band is dangerous and your album is a classic, wake up and smell the fucking coffee.

Let others decide that.


Aren't you one of those who laugh at GN'R fans who say CD will be as great as AFD?  ??? Well, this is the same thing, except on a bigger scale.



/jarmo

Yes, you think that I hate Axl's new band. I don't hate them at all and a bit tired of repeating that Axl is my all time favourite singer and I think he's still briliant.

I mentioned GN'R cause it's the same. I guess saying that your album will be groundbreaking, Earth-shattering etc. is equal to saying it will be a classic. I'm happy they feel this way, being confident about your material is a great thing. I can't wait listening these albums and making my own opinion.  : ok:



Could you enlighten me how is that any different? What else did Brain mean by saying that?




Don't be this harsh when it comes to other bands  :-*  Maybe even Scott is allowed to have an opinion.

Guess you still won't assume that you hate VR with a passion, although you have the right to feel that way. But it's tacky to run a site and express hatred against a band all the time. But it's your time.  : ok:




On a bigger scale?  :o  Last time I checked AFD was one of the best albums of all time, among some other ones. BTW there is a difference when people, who know very little about an album, claim that it will be the best album of all time. I have a strange feeling that Scott was more involved in the making of Libertad than any of us in the making of Chinese Democracy. Therefore he knows more. And you know... saying that your favourite band's next record will be the best is stupid fanboy mentality. Doesn't matter if it's GN'R, VR, NIN whatever. You may know some songs off bootlegs but they can sound different on the album. Of course, you can have high expectations.

But when you released a bounch of albums, made a new one and you feel it's your best, and maybe an all-time classic, that's called self-confidence. Am I sure that Scott was right? I don't know. I'll wait with my final judgement until the album comes out. Then I'll decide. I'm not smart enough to bash him before I hear the album.

well i felt led zep 3 was the weakest of the 4, so thats not a good sign. XD

lol at the dangerous band thing jarmo pointed out again  :hihi:

How is it different?


Well, for one, saying "this is GN'R's Led Zeppelin II" could mean many things. It could mean the band went in a different direction compared to the past efforts.

It might mean that many people won't see it as good as the classics, but it's still filled with great songs.....




I'm not harsh, you brought GN'R into this.

Do I need to remind you that this is a GN'R message board?



Hatred?

I just think Scott Weiland is an overrated fraud who says a lot of really stupid things. I also think he wouldn't have the guts to face Axl in real life.

Just like Matt "what's with the piano" Sorum who meets Axl in NYC and suddenly everything is cool.....

There's no hatred there. Just my opinion.





GN'R fans are comparing a GN'R album to another GN'R album.

That's normal.

Scott is comparing his new album to one of the most well known rock n' roll albums of all times.



Saying "this is our best album and the songs are the best we've ever written" is normal. 99% of the artists do that.


Only one Weiland says his album is as good as one of the greatest albums of all times.

I don't even think his band mates would agree with him.  :P


Oh, and how can this mediocre guy write songs as good as Jagger/Richards?

Did VR just evolve that much since the last album that now they're up there with them?



/jarmo

Scot isn't mediocre in my eyes, and a lot of people feel the same way. : ok:

Can't wait to have another great album from this great band. 8)

Would I be incorrect in assuming that you wouldnt be saying the same thing had Scott Weiland called his new record Led Zeppelin II?


So from "whats with the piano," a comment made 17 years ago, you expected a fight?  A cold shoulder?  A confrontation over it?

And didnt Matt "whats with the piano" Sorum get into an altercation with Axl before he was fired from the band?  Is that an example of his fear of speaking his mind to Axls face?

You changed the argument pretty quickly when reminded that some of GNRs members have been less-than-modest about their own album.  Calling your material "earth-shattering" isnt modest, but you would never take issue with a GNR member saying it.  Had Weiland used that same description for Libertad, I think itd be a different story.  Your bias against VR is certainly no secret, but dont act as if theres any real point behind what youre saying, because theres not.  One of the GNR guys could say theyve made an album that ranks with the greats and you would not have the same attitude you have toward VR; this is only about your dislike of the band.  You say a lot about negativity in the GNR section, yet you personally bring your own brand to this section.  You will say "this is a GNR board, not a VR one," but why would the principle be different?  If you believe negativity spoils one section for real fans, why would you inject it into another? 

I have to wonder why you bother maintaining a section of your site thats a dedicated to a band that youre clearly hostile toward.  Its gotten to the point where youre deliberately not posting any news pertaining to them on the main page, which wasnt always the case.  You dont like this band, why keep the section? 

"I think that some of the riffs that were coming out of him were the meanest, most contemporary, bluesiest, rocking thing since Aerosmith's Rocks. The 2000 version of Aerosmith Rocks or the 1996 Aerosmith Rocks by the time we would have put it out."

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Scott gets chirped for the same things Axl gets praised for.  Axl can take the time to act on a petty fued with Conan O Brian, but when Weiland is asked an interview question about Axl he gets this assault about being a 'fraud'...

What we all need to remember here, is that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I agree Weiland's statement is a bit over the top, but if he thinks it's better than most rock albums... Fine. We all have a different taste and perception what is good and not.

Well, first of all, by that point GN'R had already made several great albums respected by much of the rock community.  Velvet Revolver haven't made one yet.

Unless you really do consider Contraband an unmitigated classic.

I wonder why Jarmo didnt feel compelled to make that point in his last post.


Im sure you guys will keep finding new ways to spin it.

Contraband goes double platinum yet apparently its not respected by the rock community..

OK. ?: ok:

Scott can say whatever he wants about VR's new album : it's only rock'n'roll and I like it....

Sounds great to me.. Certain people are going to pick apart every little statement the band makes.. I say fuck em.. Libertad is right around the corner and I have a feeling it will be teh soundtrcak for the summer of 2007.


 :beer:

I already explained the difference.


There's a tiny difference if you say "this album sounds like a mix between Achtung Baby and The Wall" and saying "this album is a classic album and it'll be as great as The Wall".

I assumed you could tell the difference.


I remember Scott's claimed that Fall To Pieces would be a classic song that everybody would remember. Well, is it a new Stairway To Heaven or Satisfaction?

I don't think so.

It's not even a new Plush.



He made the comment on GN'R: Behind The Music.

I kinda doubt that he made the comment to Axl when he joined the band.




Wow... He's dangerous.




He can call it earth-shattering or saying that he invented music for all I care.

But he makes ridiculous statements about how great his music is.





Same back at you Booker.

The only bias I have is that I don't see how this guy could write anything close to the quality of songs Jagger/Richards has written.





The principle is different because this is a Guns N' Roses message board with a section for Guns N' Roses fans to talk about what certain former members are doing.

It''s not the other way around.

You need to learn that.

This isn't the "Scott Weiland is a God" forum where you can talk shit about Axl just because your favorite member left GN'R years ago.



I don't do everything for myself.





/jarmo

for fucks sake why can't you people stop acting like little kids....

It's pretty clear that jarmo and some of the others hate VR deal with it..

Same goes for jarmo and the other "VR haters" in this thread...

let me ask you guys this, what do you hope to get out of this arguing?, you won't change anyone's feelings on the subject all you are doing is ruining a perfectly good thread...

Wrong. In the BTM he only repeated what he had said back in like 1992. I read that interview.  :yes:

I, for one, agree with Grouse. This wasn't supposed to be another GN'R vs VR topic.

Nobody has answered the question or question how absurd it is that Scott Weiland will suddenly write songs that'll stand up to Jagger/Richards.

I assume most of you think he really is that good?  ???



To Axl?



Look who brought GN'R into the topic.....

It was the Slash fan.


/jarmo

I wasn't there. But Matt had the balls to tell his opinion about November Rain even when he was in the band.


lol, I'm a heretic!  ;D I dare to like Slash! The guy who played a major role in GN'R's success! BTW I'm  huge axl fan, but who cares? You can't like both of them!
And I know that you are the site admionistrator here so you can do what you want and you really do what you want (others would have been banned for your trolling), but you attacked Scott cause he was satisfied with his record that we haven't heard. I only pointed out that you are not this harsh with GN'R.

And your thoughts about why it is different calling your next album Led Zeppelin II than saying it's as good as Exile... Well, i hope at least you believed that. I just don't understand why you feel the need of attacking VR all the time? It's not having an opinion, it's expressing hatred. But it's your time, hope you feel better  : ok:

Let me answer that for you, I think it's absolutely idiotic that he is comparing libertad to legendary albums...


It takes two to start an argument...

I usually just ignore people who are flaming Vr in the gnr section just because I don't want to start pointless arguments like this...

It's always easy to say something in a magazine and then just claim you were misquoted.





Don't flatter yourself.

I was pointing out that the thread was "ruined" by one of the VR fans.





Slash is an amazing guitar player.


I should ban myself because I posted my opinion about a guy who's band this board isn't dedicated to? Look: Guns N' Roses!

Scott isn't in GN'R.


I'm not this harsh with GN'R? Maybe because I happen to think Axl actually is talented enough to write songs that are better than anything Scott could ever write?








I think it's good for him that he's happy and excited. But to me comparing his unreleased album to classic rock albums is just silly.

Maybe in 20 years he can compare and see if it's stood the test of time.






/jarmo

No contest on that one, I also think he's being a bit too optimistic I just hope that this album will be a hell of a lot better than contraband...

Im sorry jarmo what age are you, ill take a guess are you 12 cause you sound like a kid who wont share his sweet, and your meant to be control this site, no wonder every other gnr site out there slasgs the shit out of you and this board.

You made a point about about comparing gnr albums to each other, well why dont you bring up the point that 3/5 of vr helped create those albums??????  It wasnt just mr Rose it was a real band back then, and considering axl still hasnt managed to release anything since those days i think this point is valid.

You say scott cant right like axl well i disagree with you on that one too, your making out this album is all scotts works and your forgetting the musicians who are fucking legends And the real gnr begind him creating the music, i know id be inspired to write something special that is up there with their music.

Im sorry but you sound like a jealous kid whose praying this album fails when it wont fail but you think chinese dem will be the greatest album of all time if its ever released, you see i think thats your problem you cant get over that fact that axl rose and his unknown band to the majority of the world cant seem to release anything in 15 odd years when vr are on their second album. And all we get from axls cover band is a few over produced leaks that is nowhere near the quality of the old stuff.  contraband was better than those leaks, at least they sounded real.

So because of what i just said your gonna delete my post and ban me well if you do youll have proved my point that you have a mentality of a 12 year old, much like axl with his inflated ego im thinking.  I thought you liked vr  guess i was wrong as you keep coming into the vr thread and insist on winding the vr fans up, its fucking pathetic.

As some other board member stated maybe you should just get rid of the vr thread and let the vr fans go elsewhere and you nygnr fans can concentrate on praying that this album will ever see the light of day.

I cant wait to see your reply and prove me wrong or if you just act like a spoilt kid that i think you are.

And have some fucking respect for the old gunners cause if it wasnt for them along with axl your precious board wouldnt even exist.

Haha!

I'm 12? And those other boards are posting shit about me and this place? Like that's very mature....




I never discredited their songwriting for GN'R did I?

So you're saying if you took Bill Wyman, Charlie Watts and Brian Jones/Mick Taylor/Ron Wood together, you'll get something as good as the classic Stones albums?




No, you're assuming shit.

Duff and Slash aren't the real GN'R.

I'm biased? What kind of crap are you posting?





Jealous of what?

I'm confident that when GN'R chooses to release CD, it'll be better than anything Scott Weiland will ever manage to release.

You know why? Because I'm a GN'R fan.

I find Scott Weiland boring, unoriginal and mediocre.

Just like you'll never give GN'R a chance because you hate the fact that Slash isn't there, I'm not gonna praise Scott Weiland because I just don't think he's anything special.




And what are you doing here then?





First I'm jealous and now I'm spoiled?  ???





One more time: I never said anything about the former band members. They were part of what made GN'R the best band in the world.

Now, let's see you admitting that VR will never be as good as GN'R because they don't have the songwriting talents of Axl and Izzy.



I was talking about your beloved Scott the whole fucking time.

We do delete stupid posts from time to time, but yours is an excellent example of how you VR fans seem to forget that this isn't a VR forum where Scott is God.



/jarmo

Duff and Slash aren't the real GN'R.

I'm biased? What kind of crap are you posting

Ok you know everything Mr jarmo, at least you didnt just delete my post which i thought you would but please explain to me how the fuck you came up with that then duff and slash arent the real gnr?

Ive followed gnr since the start and your right i cant stick this so called gnr and as you can see ive only posted in the vr section, that comment above just shows how obsessed you must be with mr rose but you cant argue the fact mr rose hasnt been able to release shit with these guys guys that as you say arent the real gnr.

Im assuming you know your gnr history so i dont have to spout shit to you, but im guesseing that you think all the real guns music was all axl?

You must be right so mr rose told slash what notes to play for sweet child and jungle and every other fucking song they wrote.  I bet you would actually prefer it if this cover band released their re recorded afd?

Im no big scott fan, in fact i had never heard of him before vr as stp werent big in the uk, but i respect vr cause they are a fucking band and not just the hired help.  Fact is these guys are a gang having fun doing what they do  whereas mr rose cant release an album in 15 years, theres no fucking excuse for that.

I wouldnt even have started posting here until i started reading your bullshit slagging vr when someone in your position should take your own advice that if youve got nothing positive to say then dont say anything, if i had went into the main section and started ripping into your precious cover band thats out making money off the real gunners work youd have me band, so what gives you the right coming in here ripping our favourite band.

Should we all just have the same mentality as you that axl is god and everything else is shit?

and oh right slash and duff arent real gunners, please explain what you mean by this cause youve lost me there, youd probably say that about izzy if he hadnt guested last year.

ill give axls solo project a chance if he releases an album, and not living off something that is 20 years old like a hasbeen until then they are just a cover band and a second rate one at that, cause ill tell you this mate, this lot will never be guns n fucking roses, they died when mr rose fucked the whole thing up with his ego.

Well at least i know im definately getting a new album of music from my favourite band in june, whens your favourite bands album out??  Oh that right nobody knows does it even exist? who knows, is it been in the making so long its gonna sound stale and dated, yes i think it probably is, the best albums are made on the spur of the moment like afd.  If this chin dem was any good it would have been out years ago.

Oh and by the way are you gonna get libertad, but more importantly will you give it a chance or just listen to it determined to hate it even if its something special.

Ill get chi dem and give it a chance but i wont get that chance until its released.

One more question why do you come in here and rip into this band?  As an admin i expect more from you because your are acting like a child.  And you should check out the other gnr/vr sites out too, there admins know how to run a board properly.

It's sad that these extremely bitter people refuse to acknowledge Axl as they blame him for their heroes giving up and quitting the greatest band in music history. Sad.

ever heard of pm's guys?  :-*

Falcon mind me asking why you're not locking this thread?...

This pathetic bickering is only gonna get worse anyway...

Id read up on your history pal if the old guns had their way wed have a good few more albums out of gnr than the big fat 0 you still got, but your right axl rose is totally blameless in the break up isnt he?

Check your fucking history

And who started the bickering none other than the owner of this site, this thread was about vr so why is the owner coming in and goading vr fans, if you notice this isnt the fucking gnr thread is it.

Woah, slow down with the bitterness there, I'm a fan for 17 years so no need to be all preachy : ok:
But I can see you guys take offense and want the thread closed as soon as you garbage minded Axl haters get your bitter feelings hurt. Don't take it out on real Guns N' Roses fans that we will see an enormous pay-off whereas your washed-up, quitting loser heroes will deliver another mediocre album.

so whens it getting released then, vr will let their music do the talking, whereas you still be sitting here waiting  and waiting and waiting, some of us gave up waiting years ago and got on with our lives by all means you keep waiting, and i am a real gnr fan im a real big fan of all the music they released in the 80s and 90s when they had some balls to release albums.  you call me bitter i just dont like you lot that come in the vr section ripping them just cause theres no news on your precious band.  Do you see me in the gnr section at all never mind trying to wind people up?

And at least the ex gunners arent living off the past like mr rose, so whos the one thats washed up?

What the fuck? Axl is making new material with a new band, how is that living off of the past?
Oh, the name thing? Are you mad that your heroes gave up and quit Guns N' Roses? They left the band, quit, gave up, they are no longer in Guns N' Roses. Hurts, doesn't it? :beer:

I'm the one that's asking for the thread to be closed/deleted and I'm not an axl hater, go figure? :-*

yet another thread hijacked by jarmo and his hate for velvet revolver. :hihi:

Hysterical.

Jarmo runs a GN'R board, he could remove the fucking VR section and ban all their fans if he wanted to. Be grateful there even is a VR section, this is Jarmo's board he can do whatever the fuck he wants with it. If you don't like it, stay out and go find a VR board. Oh right, none of them even come remotely close in size.

I don't even like velvet revolver, however I disapprove of Jarmo's behaviour. As pointed out, it is childish.
Either have another moderator run this section of the board or close the section altogether, this is getting ridiculous.

What is ridicilous is these idiots who sign up at a Guns N' Roses board just to talk about VR, which has fuck all to do with Guns N' Roses.

There will always be haters, but I dont think its ok for a moderator to become one.

How is Jarmo a hater?
Posting his opinion and explaining why he feels this way is hating now?
Besides, even if he was a hater, it's his fucking board and it's about Guns N' Roses, not VR. Case closed. I'm sick of having to see a VR section on a Guns N' Roses board.

Btw, thecheech, your bias is obvious. You say "VR is a band, not just hired help". Guns ain't a real band now that your hero has quit on it or what?

C'mon how many times have I heard Jarmo say how scott weiland is mediocre and this and that? It is his board, but why not just ?let it go? He's puncturing his own liver here ?:hihi:

Btw It is only normal to have a VR section on a GNR board, but if it bothers you that much then don't come here, I hardly ever do , only when Im extremely bored as I am right now ?:hihi:

These arguments will go on forever, until CD is released. But at the same time I dont album sales is going to be a fair thing to judge which is better on. The advantage that Axl has with keeping the GNR name and having these years of mystery and waiting is that a lot more people will be intrigued to know what he's achieved. Im a bigger VR fan than the modern day incarnation of GNR but I will buy CD and Libertad and give credit where it is due. After all Im here because I love the GN'R music created from 87 to 91, and I will always follow whatever original member does.

I dont know why there has to be a Axl vs Everyone else thing going on. There doesnt need to be this big line drawn between fans. After all its only rock n roll...

BLEH ! it seems all articles , even if not related to GNR go into dead horse.

This place is starting to suck. But Im too used to it , I cant stop coming.  :hihi:

Woody why is that normal? It's a whole different band!
This board should be about Guns N' Roses only IMO.
Doubt I'd see a GN'R section on a VR board.
Slash and Duff are no longer in Guns N' Roses, face it you mullet-wearing dweebs.

wee hee, and here we found ourselves magically back from the dead horse section  :hihi:

Well Im not entirely against having the VR section removed from the site, but as for being 'normal' for it to exist here.....its because  VR is made from former GNR members....so we should stop talking about gilby clark...adler...etc..... zzzz

I wonder if Falcon moved it back or if the J-man reversed his decision.

I didn't hijack shit. If you think I did, you're blind.


I didn't fucking mention GN'R until somebody brought GN'R into the picture.


All I did was to give my opinion on the lead singer for Velvet Revolver.





What the fuck?


This is still a Guns N' Roses message board.


You people really need to get used to that idea.

Just because we have a VR section doesn't mean we have to think Weiland is God's gift to music.....





I'm not moderating this section, I'm posting my opinion as a music fan.

Suddenly I'm not allowed to have an opinion about this guy because I happen to prefer GN'R and Axl to Scott and STP/VR?




The only one who seemed to answer my question was Grouse. The rest of you brought Axl and GN'R into this.

I assume the rest of you think Scott really is up there with the all time greatest song writers in rock n' roll.......




/jarmo


PS I moved it back because we don't need VR threads in the GN'R sections.