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Title: Burning Questions and Why do we Care?
Post by: Randy Jesus on March 24, 2007, 02:05:15 PM
Last we heard the album was being mixed, when the tenative date past. Know that we are on the verge of a world tour, I think we will hear something regarding the album soon as April 14th draws closer. We realize that we don't have right to know everything, however we still have some burning questions. What has the band been up too? What kind of preparations have they been doing for the tour? Is the album still being mixed? Is there going to be a new stage setup? Is it being mastered or is it mastered? Is there another tenative release date? Is there a set date? How does the group feel about the great reviews that the unfinished "better" has got? Is there any epics waiting in the wings? Most of these questions will most likely never be answered, However that is the fun part of being a fan.

After many years we are still in the same spot, or so it seems? Why do people still check out the GNR forums? No matter if we like the new band or not, they are drawn to it. I think we all want this album no matter what side we are on. Many people have called Chinese Democracy a running joke in the industry, but reality it is the Holy Grail of the recording industry. Think about it. Why can't people stop thinking about it or acknowledging it in some manner? They all wish that they had an artist in which built a master piece. The recording industry has been filled with sloppy horse shit over the years, no thinking has gone into song writing. Nothing comes from the heart, play a few cords and you have a song. That is what is different with Chinese Democracy.


Title: Re: Burning Questions and Why do we Care?
Post by: megahurt on March 24, 2007, 05:52:12 PM
To call it the "Holy Grail of the recording industry" is an extreme overstatement. Chinese Democracy is being talked about far more now than it will be once it is released. When it first comes out every magazine will do the big "FINALLY..." article, it will get some good reviews and it will get some bad reviews. But a year later, that will be that.

For this album to live up to the 15 years and millions of dollars spent on it, it would need to be the single most amazing collection of songs ever written, and as much as I love the old GnR, I just don't think that is going to happen.

I think it will be a very good rock record. I'll probably like it quite a bit judging from the demos I've heard so far, but in the end it isn't going to be some ground breaking event. The new band will get some respect once they prove themselves as an actual band in their own right and write and release several albums over time.


Title: Re: Burning Questions and Why do we Care?
Post by: Where is Hassan Nasrallah ? on March 24, 2007, 06:04:14 PM
I am expecting Chinese Democracy to fix the Palestine-Israel issue.
I am expecting Chinese Democracy to stop capitalism and bring peace on earth.

If it doesn't, i'll be very disapointed in axl rose.


Title: Re: Burning Questions and Why do we Care?
Post by: Africa on March 24, 2007, 06:05:55 PM
Great post, I agree 100%! 8)
The things we are in for as GN'R fans is something most fans of other artists just wish they could look forward to! :beer:


Title: Re: Burning Questions and Why do we Care?
Post by: jimb0 on March 24, 2007, 09:30:39 PM
I'll just take an incarnation of Guns N' Roses.  GNR in itself represents one of the last cool things to happen in popular music. 


Title: Re: Burning Questions and Why do we Care?
Post by: Randy Jesus on March 24, 2007, 10:54:10 PM
Great post, I agree 100%! 8)
The things we are in for as GN'R fans is something most fans of other artists just wish they could look forward to! :beer:

I think people just need to step outside of the box that they are living in. Some people don't realize  this. As fans go, you can confidently say that we are the most loyal of them all. We have a lot to look forward too, no matter what.


Title: Re: Burning Questions and Why do we Care?
Post by: acompleteunknown on March 25, 2007, 01:30:03 AM
If Chinese Democracy brings Democracy to China...then that would be very cool.


Title: Re: Burning Questions and Why do we Care?
Post by: absolutelytrue on March 25, 2007, 12:02:51 PM
If Chinese Democracy brings Democracy to China...then that would be very cool.

If it brings democracy back to North America NOW that would be even cooler  :peace:


Title: Re: Burning Questions and Why do we Care?
Post by: xj220 on March 25, 2007, 02:41:29 PM
With all the hype and expectations surrounding Chinese Democracy, it would have to be better than Appetite for Destruction to live up to it all.


Title: Re: Burning Questions and Why do we Care?
Post by: Axls Rosed on March 25, 2007, 02:46:11 PM
Burning Qustion:  Why do people keep asking that question?


AR


Title: Re: Burning Questions and Why do we Care?
Post by: guns_n_motley on March 25, 2007, 02:47:28 PM
Because there is something about axl rose that mystifies people because he is a recluse etc.  same thing with eddie van halen the man really hasnt done much, but go to a VH forum and there are as many posts as are here


Title: Re: Burning Questions and Why do we Care?
Post by: Lethalis on March 26, 2007, 07:57:46 AM
I care because I hope it will be a great record.. one I want to get my hands on.

Further I'm interested in the whole process that's going on with the fans. The whole mass hysteria surrounding this is very interesting. It just seems all to easy to get people hooked up to something they're not allowed to know much about.


Title: Re: Burning Questions and Why do we Care?
Post by: redx on March 26, 2007, 08:16:16 AM
"Burning Questions and Why do we Care?"

For me it's more about curiosity than caring.
I'm curious to hear the new material, and to see how if compares to 1986 Gn'R.


Title: Re: Burning Questions and Why do we Care?
Post by: Meanmachine22 on March 26, 2007, 10:45:53 AM
Chinese democracy will definately be a huge success because the music will be very strong (i hope  :nervous:)
But i  think it will get a lot of bad reviews  just for the fact that it took 60 years to finalise it.....
All reviews (even the good ones) will have a bittersweet taste because no journalist on planet earth can avoid the fact that we seen 2 CD-World tours and 15 years in the making.....

Will it be earthshattering? no for the normal "music-user".......
the album would need to contain the best fucking music ever produced in the history of mankind. It would have to open the door to another dimension and would need to help you understanding the universe and shit

To me CD will mark the end of a damn loooooong wait . I actually only expect one album to surface . To be honest i wouldn't even wonder if GNR split up shortly after the next world tour when CD reached high chart positions all over the planet.

A reunion? No way . I don't even want to see that.


Title: Re: Burning Questions and Why do we Care?
Post by: Scabbie on March 26, 2007, 12:25:24 PM
Honestly, I wish I didn't give a rats arse about Chinese Democracy a lot of the time. If it hadn't been for the leaks I don't think many people would still be here. Isn't it funny how just when the whole thing was looking like it was dead and buried something happened to keep us holding on. And here we are, over a year later, still waiting for Chinese Democracy  ::)

As of now, I don't about the specifics (although they are nice to know) what I really want is the music, because I do really like the music.








Title: Re: Burning Questions and Why do we Care?
Post by: freedom78 on March 26, 2007, 06:02:14 PM
I am expecting Chinese Democracy to fix the Palestine-Israel issue.
I am expecting Chinese Democracy to stop capitalism and bring peace on earth.

If it doesn't, i'll be very disapointed in axl rose.

Funny, because I expect it to end socialism, and to be a sign of the apocalypse. 

I agree about Israel-Palestine.  Each Israeli and Palestinian will buy it, dramatically increasing the weight of the territory, which will then break off into the ocean.  As the continents shift, it will end up in the Caribbean, at which time the only fighting will be between advocates of the daiquiri and pina colada.


Title: Re: Burning Questions and Why do we Care?
Post by: AxlsMainMan on March 26, 2007, 06:08:15 PM
The way I see it at the end of the day is that Axl is an artist just as a painter is an artist, and you don't constantly tell a painter to "hurry up his fucking painting"...you wait until he gets the inspiration to finish the painting.

Right about now Id imagine Axl's paint is drying..almost ready for public enjoyment : ok:


Title: Re: Burning Questions and Why do we Care?
Post by: freedom78 on March 26, 2007, 06:11:08 PM
The way I see it at the end of the day is that Axl is an artist just as a painter is an artist, and you don't constantly tell a painter to "hurry up his fucking painting"...you wait until he gets the inspiration to finish the painting.

Right about now Id imagine Axl's paint is drying..almost ready for public enjoyment : ok:

A nice analogy.  Let's just hope it's Louvre caliber and not "hang it on mom's fridge" caliber.  :nervous:


Title: Re: Burning Questions and Why do we Care?
Post by: blackvelvet on March 28, 2007, 12:22:54 AM
I just read this somewhere else.  It sums up what I feel.

"I now officially believe that the March release date was given only to silence both the media and we the fans when CD was a no show by the end of the year. They never intended on reaching this deadline. Its pretty pathetic that Axl has resorted to outright manipulation to protect Chinese Democracy from reaching the public. I know the whole "This is not a promise, a lie, or a gaurantee" crack Axl threw our way to prevent us from throwing stones when CD, once again, failed to be delivered. But I dont care, this is beyond lame of him.

Wake up folks. Nothing's gonna happen soon. April is a few days away and we still dont have a single, release date, cover art, tracklist, video shoot, news, or promotion of any kind whatsoever.......And the tour starts in two weeks. Yikes.

But oh, recording has been completed...yay."


Title: Re: Burning Questions and Why do we Care?
Post by: gnrbacik on March 28, 2007, 12:44:42 AM
 but reality it is the Holy Grail of the recording industry. Think about it. Why can't people stop thinking about it or acknowledging it in some manner?

Compared to the Stanley Cup!!!!!   I love it!!!!!


Title: Re: Burning Questions and Why do we Care?
Post by: jarmo on March 28, 2007, 07:53:46 AM
I just read this somewhere else.  It sums up what I feel.

"I now officially believe that the March release date was given only to silence both the media and we the fans when CD was a no show by the end of the year. They never intended on reaching this deadline. Its pretty pathetic that Axl has resorted to outright manipulation to protect Chinese Democracy from reaching the public. I know the whole "This is not a promise, a lie, or a gaurantee" crack Axl threw our way to prevent us from throwing stones when CD, once again, failed to be delivered. But I dont care, this is beyond lame of him.

Wake up folks. Nothing's gonna happen soon. April is a few days away and we still dont have a single, release date, cover art, tracklist, video shoot, news, or promotion of any kind whatsoever.......And the tour starts in two weeks. Yikes.

But oh, recording has been completed...yay."


Well, I got one word for that: bullshit.

Yes, there were delays as Del pointed out.

But for some weird reason, people tend to overlook that.....



/jarmo


Title: Re: Burning Questions and Why do we Care?
Post by: daviebuckethead on March 28, 2007, 08:32:41 AM
I just read this somewhere else. It sums up what I feel.

"I now officially believe that the March release date was given only to silence both the media and we the fans when CD was a no show by the end of the year. They never intended on reaching this deadline. Its pretty pathetic that Axl has resorted to outright manipulation to protect Chinese Democracy from reaching the public. I know the whole "This is not a promise, a lie, or a gaurantee" crack Axl threw our way to prevent us from throwing stones when CD, once again, failed to be delivered. But I dont care, this is beyond lame of him.

Wake up folks. Nothing's gonna happen soon. April is a few days away and we still dont have a single, release date, cover art, tracklist, video shoot, news, or promotion of any kind whatsoever.......And the tour starts in two weeks. Yikes.

But oh, recording has been completed...yay."


Well, I got one word for that: bullshit.

Yes, there were delays as Del pointed out.

But for some weird reason, people tend to overlook that.....



/jarmo


a lot of what he did say was true though, it is near april, there is no news of a video, single, cover art, track list, promotion (in magazines or on tv), release date.

thats not be being negative, just factual. i really hope that something starts soon though.

but, if there is no single out just no or in the nest couple of weeks i think we can forget april and may and possible june for the release.

for the record thought i think it will be out in July


Title: Re: Burning Questions and Why do we Care?
Post by: Rhino on March 28, 2007, 10:12:37 AM
the album can never be finished recording until it is out....because thats wen it is no longer possible for axl to make any more changes to it. I predict no news or single before the first show of 2007. The stage setup will be the same there will be no mention of any news during the concert and the set list will look like this.

Setlist: Welcome To The Jungle, It's So Easy, Mr. Brownstone, Live and Let Die, Robin Guitar Solo, Sweet Child O' Mine, Better, Knockin' On Heaven's Door, You Could Be Mine, Piano Moving Jam, Dizzy Piano Solo, The Blues, Richard Guitar Solo, Richard & Robin Guitar Duet (Beautiful), Out Ta Get Me, Moving The Piano Jam, November Rain, Band Introductions, Ron Guitar Solo (Don't Cry), IRS, My Michelle, Patience, Rocket Queen, Nightrain

Encores: Madagascar, Paradise City.



and

the show will rock

 
and the waiting will continue.



Title: Re: Burning Questions and Why do we Care?
Post by: daviebuckethead on March 28, 2007, 10:27:17 AM
^^^

and thew waiting doewsn't frustrate you?


Title: Re: Burning Questions and Why do we Care?
Post by: ChrisPittman on March 28, 2007, 12:46:03 PM
Well OP, its either support Axl Rose, or go back to Metallica...and since the latter havent produced a decent album since a 1993 live release I think Ill stick with GNR


Title: Re: Burning Questions and Why do we Care?
Post by: highvoltage on March 28, 2007, 12:49:26 PM
Well OP, its either support Axl Rose, or go back to Metallica...and since the latter havent produced a decent album since a 1993 live release I think Ill stick with GNR
As opposed to not producing an album at all? ::)


Title: Re: Burning Questions and Why do we Care?
Post by: Locomotive98 on March 28, 2007, 12:52:21 PM
Well OP, its either support Axl Rose, or go back to Metallica...and since the latter havent produced a decent album since a 1993 live release I think Ill stick with GNR
As opposed to not producing an album at all? ::)

True, and there are other bands in the world apart from Metallica. You dont have to listen to either. Metallica stopped being good in about 1988.


Title: Re: Burning Questions and Why do we Care?
Post by: Where is Hassan Nasrallah ? on March 28, 2007, 01:17:15 PM
^^^

and thew waiting doewsn't frustrate you?

there are many countries that didnt get GNR to come and tour, let them enjoy that, and from there we'll see ...