Here Today... Gone To Hell!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0851851/

Set in the Aftermath of T2 following what happened to Sarah


Any views opinions

Mine

1) Linda Hamilton is Sarah Connor you cant replace her

2) How good can it be without any Terminators


I think it will be crap but i hope they can prove me wrong

First Rise of The Machines sucked, and now they're trying to kill the series even further with this garbage? My God!

i didnt think Rise of the Machines was that bad. i liked it. sure T:2 is a million times better and was a good ending to the series, but i thought T:3 was entertaining. i just dont like how they made it so that judgment day was invetible.

anyway i'm? huge terminator fan but this sounds dumb. very very dumb.

She didnt do T3, why would she do this??

FUCK THIS! >:(

but Sarah wasnt in T3

my point is that you cant have someone else playing Sarah it is not right

(http://www.blackfilm.com/i3/movies/b/brothersgrimm/lh1.jpg)

(http://www.thecityreview.com/termina3.jpg)

Yeah the last brat to have a go at John Conner made a complete mess of it.  Why bother?  Oh, money...

that's not what he said ::)

first off in T:3 Sarah was killed off to luekemia when they went to get weapons from her "supposed" grave site.

sencond T:3 KICKED ASS :rant:

third when/where will this apear?
:)

wouldnt it have made far more sense for it to be set after T1 and follow her paramilitary training...these Hollywood types.....

Cant see the point of making this at all...

T3 was putrid.  A horrible movie that was poorly plotted and basically was nothing more than one long action sequence.  The absolute only thing that saved that movie was Kristina Lokken.  Dear god she could Terminate me anyday.

I didnt realize they had already cast someone... But I do agree.. Its gonna be crap on that fact alone

what ever happened to T4 with The Rock coming out?

Lena Headey has nice boobs

Without Linda Hamilton, i spit on it, tread on it and wipe my bum with the film script..

She can't act very well though. In 300 she was CRAP as the Queen... the only good scene of hers was when she spat in Theron's eye and stabbed him. If she plays Sarah Connor... I'll go kick the casting director in the nuts. Repeatedly.

Linda Hamilton or the chick who played Anna Lucia in Lost. She'd be good. Least she can act good, and she's pretty damn hot as well.

Either way though... this is a shit idea. T3 was SHIT and was just like a bad fanfiction made into a movie. The guy who played John Connor was SHIT and isn't very easy on the eyes either.
Just have T4, and end it there...

Then they'll probably come up with a Terminator/Predator crossover.
Who'd win?

Well... If judgment day never happened, then John Connor could never send his father back in time to be his father and he wouldn't exist... which means he wouldn't have prevented judgment day in the first place?.... Right?.... So it is inevitable  :hihi:

ya know i heard something the other day saying that they are making a T:4 and its suppost to be out in '08........but i didn't know it was gonna have THE ROCK in it :D

Now, now. T3 actually did a good enough job in picking up the Terminator mythos where Jim Cameron had left it. The problem for me wasn't actually in the plotting itself - which is fairly well-paced and works its way around several problems along the way. I particulary liked the fact that the T-800 had this certain relationship to the future John Connor. What the filmmakers failed to capture, though, was the human element. In the first film, Arnold was an unstoppable, distant killing machine; the central point is Sarah Connor's coming to age, her rise to the challenge of mothering a child, as well as to stand up for herself. T2 is still heavily a Sarah Connor story; now, as a single mother burned by life, she ultimately forges a relationship with John's least expected stepfather, the Terminator. John's arc is also strongly represented, as he becomes the central part of this strange nuclear (pun unintended) family. T3 didn't have that. Kate Brewster is almost immediately declared as the First Lady after the fallout, and basically earmarked as the loyal-spouse-to-be for John. So much for female independence. While I love Claire Danes and she makes the most of what she has, I had already grown accustomed to a warrior woman like Linda Hamilton, who at the same time reveals the pain inside her, as she is plagued by guilt over Judgment day and the fact that her son would be forced to live through all that.

She was a great character, and Linda Hamilton certainly played her straight, like a parent stressed-out by a particularly nasty breakup. I'd like to have more Sarah Connor, but even more I'd like it to be served by Hamilton.

yeah thats a good point u brought up. T:2 is probably my favorite action movie ever i was so in love with it and still am. i will probably check this out of pure curiousity but im not expecthig much. especially since as anythingoes said, how interesting can it be without terminators?

I hated how Arnold told John in T3 how he wasn't the same Terminator as in T2... >:(

Kind of made me not care.. :-\

well...how could he be the same one..the one in T2 died......

I liked T3, i think it did a far better job than people give it credit for - making an installment without James Cameron was never going to be easy and while i'm sure Cameron would have done it better its still a good solid offering

I dont know...I suppose I was hoping he would have atleast had the same memories as the previous Terminator somehow.

But even the actor who played John Connor horribly ruined the movie  for me as well.

They should have used Edward Furlong again - he would've been a decent age for it and it's his role.  The guy they used turned John into a whiney little bitch.  They made him act like any normal bloke would act in that situation, but John Connor isn't normal and he would have taken it better.  Plus, he used to be cool! >:(


Good battle!  Predetor is certainly faster and dead strong but a Terminator could take more damage and is probably stronger.  The terrain would make a difference - if it's in the jungle then obviously Predetor has an advantage but on a level playing field a Terminator would win.  They both have heat sensors so invisibility counts for nothing.

No, NO Rock in it. he said that the terminator is arnolds franchise and he would be stupid if he took the role.


Arnold will be back for a cameo at the end. But he will probably star in Terminator 5(which will be the last movie with the future war)

It would be stupid to have anyone else in the role of terminator than arnold. he IS the terminator.

oh, edward furlong is fat drug addict now. he wouldnt look like John conner at all. stahl is a good actor. T3 was a good movie. Not as good as T2, but then again what is??

If Terminator would carry big guns, the Predator would deal with him the same way as Jesse Ventura. The Terminator would pass for a human for a moment (living tissue over metal endoskeleton), but the minute Predator would notice he's fighting a machine, he'd likely try blowing the sucker away regardless. In hand to hand combat, Predator would benefit from his range, but both of them are a bit burly, slow fellows. A fun twist would be a Terminator inflitrating the Predator's lair by shutting itself down in combat before the Predator realizes what he's up against. Flashforward to a tree where the Predator hangs his late opponents and starting skinning the Terminator. The T goes back online and we see the Predator engaged in some meat cleaving duties through the Terminator vision. Grab the Predator's neck and state the obvious; "I'm back."

Predator vs Terminator?

Bah we all know the real fight would be Robocop vs Terminator!

terminator would literally rip robocop apart. i dont think it would be fair.?  :rofl:

at first i was outraged-  but after seeing that this is only going to be a television show then i dont care.   

T3 was alright-  could have been way better, i agree the new john connor sucked ass,   
"talk to the hand"

If the Alliance in the future went back in time for a split second, and grabbed the T2 terminator before he got lowered into the lava.

But did they think of that? NOOOO! ::)

:hihi:


The Predator would realize the second he saw the Terminator that he isn't human thanks to good old Thermal Vision! :D :hihi:

how do you know there will be 2 more Terminator movies? i'm not trying to cut you down 2 more terminator movies would kick ass but is that just a guess or an educated guess?................ya know with a sourse or something

and yeah now that you mention it the Rock would look like a douche bag if he played in TERMINATOR 4, but who wouldn't?

and the dude that played John Conner in T:2 is a druggy, they showed a pic of him on that VH1 thing, 100 greatest kid stars (or some shit like that), and he looked stoned out of his mind.

I hope Arnold is in T:4 and T:5 but how would he be when he's the govener of CA?

DAMNIT :rant:

She was in the Cave as well, if i remember correctly. She's not bad, but how can a British actress play sarah connor?

indeed, nice boobs

That dude made Terminator 2, he was a fucking rebel!  He, I believe, could save the world if robots attacked.  Without him John Connor doesn't exist. :no:


I'm happier to hear it might be a TV series though.  That could be interesting..

well, thats the studios plan anyway. Mario Kassar and Andrew Vajna said so.. Arnold will only be a cameo in T4. and he would star in T5 as he wouldnt be a governor by then

I know he made T:2 man i'm just saying what he is today but back in the day he was a hell of an actor and he did his part damn well :yes:



Bitchen :smoking:

Edward Furlong doesn't look THAT bad now....
(http://www.movieguide.co.nz/images/pics/Edward%20Furlong.jpg)


... I would! (And don't say I'd do anyone, I'm actually quite picky...)

I hate to sound like the fan boy that I am...but T3 sucked cos it didn't have James Cameron involved....terminator is his baby and i'm not interested in anything terminator related made by other people....

oh course...i'm a hipocryte and will shell out my $ to see how much i think it sucks anyway...lol....

Why does everyone hate T3? I think it's a very good movie. Nowhere as good as the other 2 but still very good... What exactly was wrong with it??? I hear people dissing it but no explanations as to why...

because its like a bad fanfiction-turned-movie gone HORRIBLY HORRIBLY WRONG!!

i liked it!!!! i think it was a lot of fun for what it was. in my opinion T:2 was a perfect ending to the series tho.

i agree totally man T:2 was better but T:3 still kicked alot of ass man. I loved T:3 when it first came out i watched it like once a week for 3 months. To people that don't like it because it was JC's thing thats stupid not to like a movie because of that, i can understand you not liking how the movie played out like i didn't like how there was all this action within the 1st 20minutes of the film but that was the only reson. I'm sorry i just dont get why some of you don't like T:3. I can't wait till T:4 and 5 : ok:

I liked all three of the movies. The first two were definitely the best though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bc7mzoqHahU

hmmm what dya think

seems errr

cheap?

wow, pure and utter crap :o

that comes off like a parody to me..

this is why terminator without arnold wont work. that looks like some parody some kid made in his basement

Now that sucked, why, why did they make that :rant:

Money!!!

Just watched some clips from the show. wow. they are really butchering the series.

wow - not since Episodes 1-3 of Star Wars have so many contunuity errors been packed into 3 mins....

so OTHER terminators came back between the films.....and they just...forgot to mention them in the films?

You can have terminator without arnold, the first showed some T800's that wasn't. The second had T1000 which made it really good. You can't make another where one or two machines plays the main role, but you could make one with tons of them maybe or without any persona.
I like them all, all three has been great movies alll together. :peace:

The tv-series looks horrible :confused:

it just looks so stupid/parody to see other actors doing the same thing as arnold does though. sure in "terminator world" there can be other terminators, but in "real world" everyone knows the Big draw of Terminator 1-3 ARNOLD.


and this is just horrible, and SOO many continuity errors.

1.other terminators between T2-T3
2.A teenage girl terminator who shows emotions??? uh whatever? what next john conner having robot sex??
3.sarah conner looks like a soccer mom
4.They went to the future from the present. WTF???
5. They went FULLY CLOTHED. WTF??

Epic failure.

well it does seem cheap, but for what it is i don't think it looks too bad

and t3 was an alright film nothing on the scale of t2 or t1 but is still worth credit i just hope they finish the story off soon

it ruined a great series

destroyed the great ending

made way for more endless sequels of spewed out bullshit.

Yes, In comparsion to 1 and 2 it wasn't but they didn't fuck anything major up with t3 and it's an great video.
I'd like to see an more vicious, cool and cold john connor than what they had. Thats something they could have done much better.

i want to like it, i really do. I'm the biggest Termintaor fan out there.

but this just seems highly unnecessary. its always the same damn concept, terminators going back in time to kill john or sarah, c'mon, its been done 3 times already.

not to mention the continuity errors. ugh what a trainwreck.


it'll probably get cancelleld.

Pilot has been leaked to various torrent sites at some point this fall

Very mixed feeling about it.

For a huge fan of the world of Cameron's Terminator  it's very easy to hate this a lot less than T3.
In T3 you had this crushing feeling of watching characters who just  happen to have familiar names and  look like ones in T1&T2 while being entirely different persons in some entirely different francshise.
While watching the pilot that didnt happen. The casting helps alot.Actress of Sarah Connor does her best to follow Linda Hamilton's example and does it pretty well. Not quite grim enough but ehhh. Series version of Connor atleast resembles Furlong. Which is a lot more than you can say from T3's version.

Script of the pilot has few blond moments. And I'm not sure if I like where it seems to be heading. Wayy too early to say yet though.

For some Terminator fans the entire series is just one huge plot hole, when you keep T3 in mind.
Those of us who pretend  T3 was never released its easier to get by. ;)

All in all, I'm kinda optimistic!

Well it seems they are pretending it never existed.......

IGN TV: Are you working within the continuity of the Terminator movies, specifically Terminator 3?

Friedman: We're gonna go off on our own. I think the thing about T3 is, obviously there was just no Sarah Connor and that's something the fans were never happy with. I don't even think the people who made T3 were happy with that. It just wasn't a choice of theirs. You know, Linda Hamilton was going through some things and didn't want to be a part of it. They had a script at one point I know; there was a T3 that had Sarah in it. I've never read it. I don't know anything about it. But I know that they did and they wanted to do that. They wanted it to be kind of her trilogy, and it never could be. So I think that my feeling was this TV series to me sort of serves as the third act to that trilogy - what could have happened had we followed that after T2. So I almost think of this as T3. To me it takes the place of T3. But also I think that sort of in the spirit of Terminator, it's an alternate timeline. I know a lot of people get very worked up about the continuity and the canon and all that stuff. What I try to do is stay very, very true to the first two movies and then sort of take it from there. But always remain true to the spirit of everyone's intent and again, take some time with this woman and explore what maybe would have happened.

IGN TV: So we shouldn't expect her to get leukemia in Season 3?

Friedman: You should not expect her to get leukemia in Season 3? Unless Lena really pisses me off.

http://uk.tv.ign.com/articles/798/798086p1.html

I've met and spoke with Ms. Hamilton.  She's a classy woman and very down to earth...and yes, in my eyes, the only real Sarah Connor.   :peace:

Guys, if you think this is bad, you haven't listen a thing yet... You know who's going to direct Terminator 4???

McG!!!!! :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:

Jesus Christ.
What's wrong with people?
Just how moronic the anonymous Hollywood Studio suit would have to be to pull this off? What sort of a dork hands a killer franchise like Terminator to annoying as fuck incompetent 90-mins long  music video directing asshole like McG?(< - that was actually an insult towards plot structures and level of coherency of average music vid)
Cameron wants to die just so he gets to spin in his grave.

Nice reversed evolution of Terminator flick directors going on;
Cameron>Mostow>McG>Uwe Boll>Barrel full of dead monkeys?

P.S The pilot really  isnt bad at all btw. It left me with a good after taste<3
It wont be Sopranos but hay.

so....you all are bashing it like its out already so....what channel and time is it on?


:peace:

It's not on yet. the pilot episode has been leaked some time ago though. Available via p2p

i just saw some advertisements for it tonight while watching Family Guy- its on FOX mondays starting 1-14-08 which is my B-day :D


:peace:

So who watched the pilot premiere tonight? I did and actually liked it and thought it was good. I hope it doesn't get canceled.

I thought it was pretty decent.

Not incredible, but I'd probably tune in again.

i thought it was pretty good fairly par. I really hope it doesn't get cancelled again though cause if it doesn't then maybe arnold will see how popular Terminator really is and then maybe further on down the line the show can introduce the new movie thats supost to be out in '09. That would be really fricken cool IMHO.

:peace:

I caught most of it and agree with you guys - it was ok, and i'll prob tune in again.

the problem is they are going to be re-writing a lot of the terminator history, and I hate when tv shows/spin offs change things that should be "set in stone".

i think a TV mini series would have been cooler than a TV series...

I thought tonights premiere was even better than the pilot. I hope this show does well. Fox said 28 million watched last night. I wonder how many tuned in tonight.

i taped it and watched wrestling so i'm gonna watch it tomarow. I"m glad i'm not the only one that likes this show though i hope it goes a long ways. But to be honest i thought that it was going to be a huge bust. I'm just glad its not so far :)


When you record something on a tape or DVD does it show up as a rating for the show that you taped?

:peace:

Well I liked how they overcame the "her"dying part of cancer, by time traveling..beofre it happned. that makes it alot more plausible, but doesn't rule out that she may die anyway . they give it a 4-5 yr time frame.thats cool.

T3 was so bad that I didn't even remember what happened to her...just that she wasn't in it and that all the bad shit happened anyway, regardless of their efforts.  Anyway...I'm ok with rewriting any of the history that happened in that movie. 

I liked what I've seen so far.  The girl isn't completely plausible as a terminator...but do we really care?  :hihi: 

And since 24 went retarded a few seasons ago, this is filling my action/bloodletting TV void.

Nielsen ratings for the pilot.

#    Episode    Air Date                    Rating[26]    Share[26]    18?49 (Rating/Share)[26]    Viewers (m)[26]    Rank (timeslot)    Rank (night)    Rank (week)
1    "Pilot"    January 13, 2008    11.1            16                     7.6/18                                     18.29                    1                            2                    TBA

When T3 came out what time period was the story set it? I tried thinking about that last night and couldn't remember if it was like 2006 or if it was some time like in the future like 2009 or 2010.

I only ask why because wouldn't them goin foward in time cause them to actually be ahead of them selves?

does any one get what i'm asking????  :confused:

It was something like 2007 i think. I can't remember if they actually say any dates in the movie though.

The seriers doesn't consider t3 as part of the canon.
it only regognizes T1 and T2

Not true. They already mentioned her leukemia which was only mentioned in T3

I was not impressed w/ the pilot. if that's the best they got, i may not continue watching.  but i'll still give it a chance.

just wasn't impressed.

First off T3 is to reconized as a part of the series second they did mention the leukimia thing BUT in the movie didn't it say that she died some time in the 90s?



no it doesn't say in the movie thats why i was trying to think about that, because if it took place in the future they would have used a futuristic car some where in the movie instead of a 2007 toyota tundra as almost the "center peice".


:peace:

Did you see the first episode too? I thought that was better.

The third film is 10 yrs after they blew up cyberdine and sarah is said to of died in 97 in T3

thanks for posting that article.. pretty interesting.

I really am liking it so far and when i first heard of this i thought it would suck. i think its gonna be a pretty good show!

I thought so too chief but i have been pleasantly suprrised so far. The first two got good ratings two. It was #1 in its timeslot sunday and #2 monday.

I had a thought.. john was rocking GNR in T2,  and this is directly based from 2T, would be cool, if Johns taste in Music is the same.. and you get GNR now in the time they are in with say like Better, or stm, as UCBM was so heavily used in T2, would be kinda cool, if John heard a new GNR tune on radio in the show, and b kinda feel as if some things still live on.IT could be a great platform for GNR. Thats just my opinion.


IT would also lend credibility to his character..As it was made clear in T2. And could be a great way to market GNR again, promotion.

That wouldn't be a bad idea for GNR to do. I mean a combined 28 million people watched the first two episodes. You can't beat that kinda promotion.

Maybe they can jump through time again, a few years ahead, when the first CD single is getting radio play, and the DJs are talking up the album release, and then the day it's supposed to come out, Sky-Net goes ape shit on mankind. 

At this point, I think that's plausible.

This is horrible. John sent a "teenage" woman terminator... wat?
Really, low. It tries to be so hip but fails miserably.

This could've been great, but can you honestly imagine any depth to these characters, I doubt.

I don't think the point of it is to be "hip" she has to look young enough to be in high school since she goes too to protect him. You can't very well have someone who looks 30-40 yrs old. She wouldn't be believeable as a teenager then.

Nah.  They're trying to be hip.  I'm sure there are other plausible ways (well, within the context of a story about killing machines and time travel) for a Terminator to protect him other than being a teenage girl. 

The question is whether it makes the show bad.  I wasn't crazy about the idea (which was obvious from the promos), and when she said "Come with me if you want to live" I thought it was pretty horrible.

But other than that, I enjoy the show.  Now that she's acting more robotic and less like a  teenage girl, it's more believable and fun to watch.

I agree with the come with me if you want to live. That was such a rip off of the first terminator movie, regardless i still have enjoyed the show to this point.

I wouldn't necessarily call it a rip off, I went back and watched T2 tonight, and they literally took the story from then end of that, saying "come with me if you want to live" is in my mind paying homage and connecting this series to when it left off, after T2. That being said, I think so far this series has alot of promise and could be very cool.

This show is destined to have goof ups.  I'm just waiting for the episode where somebody makes a HA-STERICAL pop culture reference (all the rage these days on TV shows) but it would be next to impossible for the Connors to have any knowledge of said pop culture reference because they time warped almost a decade missing some truly incredible moments in pop culture  :rofl:

That would be really funny if they took the show in an entirely new direction and it was all about John Connor trying to find the year that CD was released in  :rofl:

That would be funny  :hihi:

The pilot episode is free on iTunes right now.

T3 is on TV right now - I don't get why some people HATE this movie so much.  I think its pretty good.  Always watch it when I catch it on TV.

Thanks for the info.  :)

I thought it was pretty good too, obviously its not as good as the first two those are classics but its a good action movie.

i think its biggest problem is how long it took for it to come out.  big gaps between movies usually results in a bad sequel.

Yeah and there is another large one in between 3 and 4.

"Come with me if you want to hear "Prostitute".

 :rofl:

 :rofl:

^ :rofl:

just to be sure it is on again Tomarrow righr?

It's  pretty good for a no brainer summer action flick with good explosions. Something you watch bewteen Independence day and Pearl Harbour.

As a sequel for Cameron's Terminators which actually had lots of debht  beneath the action it is  an insult.

The bad guy(or gal) in T3 was just..fucking stupid. Not one bit of menace in her.Or logic. She wasn't "sci-fi-credible" in same way T-1000 was in T2.
Actor of John Connor sucks.
One liners are forced and suck.
None of the characters connect.
The graveyard scene looks insanely bad.
...It's a stupid movie.

Yes monday night 9/8central.

The terminator movies have never been logical.  The time travel idea has always been flawed in movies.

but thats the thing, i wouldn't watch pearl harbor and after the aliens blow up DC and NYC I would stop watching Independence day.  Every time I see pearl harbor on TV I think of the song from Team America about how "Pearl Harbor sucks.... and I miss you" hahah

Third episode was pretty good.

Can anyone tell me what was painted in the school, making the girl kill herself?  Maybe it's just my dinky ass tv, but I couldn't make it out.

I couldn't either really. I'm still trying to figure out what that was about.

Someone, I don?t know who, was painting a picture to expose a student-teacher affair that involved that girl who was crying in the bathroom?
Looks like they were doing a series of paintings so people would figure it out?  really strange!!!

OK...that's kind of what I took from it.  But talk about not giving enough info.  If the girl committing suicide is important to the plot (increased gov't presence at the school), then they could have just done it without a half-assed attempt to explain it.  Like you said...really strange.

Thanks for clearing that up. That scene had me really confused.

i just finished watching it on tape (since Wrestling was on last night as well ;D)

that scene with the girl had me confused as well, but from what i gather maybe it was an atempt to make us the audience see that John wants to save people and wants to try and help them now so that in the futur they can help him? perhaps? maybe? i don't know i'm just think out side the box. I also think its somewhere along those lines because towards the end, the Terminator said that that guy must be killed because of his work on that "terk", but instead she just burned his house down.

And why are they NOT having a new episode for two weeks?

:peace:

State of the Union Address.  Last chance to complete our lists of Bushisms.

Bush is still president?  :hihi:

The one nice thing about the campaigns getting heated is that you don't have to hear about Bush as often.  Anyway...gotta stay on topic.  Any chance Cheney is behind Skynet?

Cheney IS skynet!

is this show on itunes or online for free?  I missed the last two episodes :( 

I think they should make a terminator that was not ripped or a super hot chick but a fat slob in the vein of the comic book guy from the simpsons.  he'd be fat, bald with grease stains on his wife beater, but still amazingly strong and fast.  with all of that mass imagine the things/shapes he could morph into!

They're all available on iTunes, the pilot isn't free any more though. If you do bittorrent, check out mininova.org for a free (illegalish) copy.

When preparing my DVR to record it next week, I saw that the pilot will be replayed, an hour or two (not sure) before the State of the Union starts. 

Because im a huge fan of the Terminator franchise, Ive been kinda fan-boy nit-picking this show. I do enjoy it, and I can even get past them ignoring T3, which I do like.  But small things about the show started bugging me, like getting the year in which T2 takes place wrong, or the age of Sarah.  But the big thing that I just realized they got wrong was the Terminator head going through time. How can they let that happen?  Only living tissue can go through. Thats a pretty big mistake.

I think they are going to make A LOT of mistakes and ultimately tarnish the franchise.  anytime you revisit original material and put a "twist" on it, it comes out kinda lame.  star wars and transformers are two that come to mind.

Thats true about the living tissue thing. I didn't pick up on that but i always wondered how they made that claim. I mean yes the terminator is living tissue on the outside but inside its not. So you gotta wonder how any of the terminators were able to go through time when they are only partially alive, and remember the t-1000 was liquid metal thats not living tissue.

Umm...if only living tissue can go through, then how did any Terminators ever come back in any of the films? 

The Arnold version was surrounded by living tissue.  And the T-1000 and the TX replicated human tissue. the Show has a robotic head going through. Big difference.

that is a fundamental part of the Terminator story.  if you can send back metal, the machines would just send all of their advanced weapons back into time to wipe out Connor.

i remember reading a terminator story, might have been a comic book or something where a Terminator travels back in time with a human captive.  they show up decades in the past and the terminator punches the guy in the stomach and rips out a laser gun. SIIICKKK.

My point exactly because they weren't completely living tissue. They had metal endoskeleton and the t-1000 was liquid metal.

The rule is that it has to be "surrounded" by living tissue. The T-1000 and the TX must have replicated tissue enough to get through.  But having that head go through was blatently breaking a rule that was established. Its not like the showmakers were unaware of the rule, seeing as Sarah, John, and Cam were all naked when they came through.

Wait...when did the head go through?  I thought it was just found at a construction site.

Just before they leaped through time, Sarah shoots the terminator. The opening shot of episode 2 shows the head, sans flesh, fly through the time vortex thing.  It was picked up by a man cleaning the side of the freeway.  The only way this can work is to say that the gun that Sarah fires desintagrates flesh, and that there was still flesh on the head when it went through time. But thats clearly not what was shown.

THANK GOD!

i thought i was the only nerd thinking that, Thank you. :)

i noticed that when that one black dude the detective went into the mexican guys house the dogs didn't bark at him. And in the first episode that aired didn't it show him looking into the computer screen and a red glow come from his eyes? if so then he's also a Terminator there for the dogs should have barked as soon as the detective went into the house *snort snort * pushes glasses upward**

:peace:

Guess I missed that.  I assumed it was pieces of another terminator, and that those pieces were the reason why all the bad shit still goes down, with Judgment Day, and all that.

See thats what i thought too at first then you see the eyes light up. So that told me it was alive still.

Glad to know I didn't make too much of a leap.  It makes sense, really.  Skynet still happens.  They know when.  The jump through time to near when it will happen.  The first thing you see is some dude finding a terminator skull. 

I can see why that made sense.

The thing i'm still wondering about that is if  the terminator who comes for its skull is the same one that tried to kill john in the pilot episode.

 now that you sasy that i thihnk your right

its amazing how Sarah was able to lift up Cameron and put her on a chair seeing as how that one firefighter couldnt pick up arnold in the T3

This series is definitely making us think and i actually like that

lol exactly they got lighter i guess  :hihi:

Just like any other technology.  More capabilities, smaller size.  I hope there's terminator schnauzer eventually.

that could probably explain the "Unknown Cyborg"?

i know thats what i think i like most about  this show is that its so interesting and plus its kinda fun nit picking it like the nerds we are :P

:peace:

What did everyone think about tonights episode? I thought it was the best one so far. I really enjoyed it

its not on yet here. we still have an hour and 20 minuets till it comes on. so please no spoilers... at least until after 10pm pacific time  :hihi:

Haha i didn't think of that. I'm glad i didn't say anything about what happened.

well show ended. cant wait till next week  ;D now i guess we can talk about tonight show since i dont think its gonna air for anyone within the next hour or so

Good episode.  By far the most nerve racking of the bunch.  When the lights went off in that bunker, I expected to see hundreds of sets of red eyes light up.

Yeah it had a good amount of suspense to it. I really liked it. So did i. I can't wait for the next one. I'm hoping new viewers tuned in tonight. I think tonights episode is the kind that could definitely make more people continue to watch.

great, suspenseful episode.. can't Wait till next week! and i hope the strike is over soon so we will get the full season!

I hope so too. There is only two more epiosodes filmed according to wikipedia.

i have a question. i havent watched the show but i have a question about its timeline.


its taking place INSTEAD of T:3 right? but is it a seperate timeline than T:2 as well? because they prevented judgement day in T:2.....


so theres THREE different timelines?

T:2 (preventing judgement day,pretty much ending the story) 
T:3(judgement day is inevitable!)
and the sarah connor chronicles which takes place after T:2, instead of T:3, but its also saying that judgement day is inevitable??

im so confused. please help me.

Fuck if I know. 

I haven't watched T2 in a while, but I seem to recall that, at the end of that movie, they make the same mistake as in the first film.  T2 happens because in T1 someone finds the terminator arm and uses it to design them, right?  But doesn't a piece of Arnie get left behind, again, in T2? 

Anyway, I don't know that this show is saying anything is inevitable.  They're fighting to stop judgment day, but I can't imagine they'll be successful...after all, if they succeed, the show ends, right?  But I do think that this show basically occurs in place of T3 (or as an alternate timeline...whatever). 

oh ok, so in the show they are stilling fighting to "stop" judgement day like they did in T:2.

and as far as T:2, u mean arnie's arm that gets stuck during the fight scene with the T-1000 at the end right? i think thats just a plothole, cuz dont they make it clear that they stopped judgement day? i mean james cameron, who wrote and directed the first and the second wanted to end the series there. its a fine ending in my opinon. but T:3 was okay, it was a fun action movie.

i like how they new terminator will be in the future, that'll be a nice change of setting.

one of the reasons why i didnt bother watching the show (not trying to offend anyone, even i might cave eventually and give it a chance) is that i just feel that we've seen this before, we've seen terminators being sent back in time to kill john, and another terminator/human protecting him. it just doesnt interest me.

James Cameron didnt want to end the series after T2. Thats why they changed the ending from "old Sarah" to being more ambiguous.  Cameron said himself that he left it open for a sequal.  I did enjoy T3, and was disturbed by the decision to ignor the events in that movie and re-start it with the show, while also going ahead with a sequal movie that DOES follow the timeline of T3. 
     The TV show itself is actually pretty good.  Especially compared to everything else on TV nowadays. 

You should check it out and give it a chance. The episode this week was really good. The timeline for it as i understand it is between the end of T2 and start of T3.

it can't be between the T2 and T3 because T3 took place in 2003 and now they are in 2007. and at the end of 2003 thats when grown up John was in the bunker with cathryn bruster and the closing image were the bombs falling.

Don't get me wrong i love the movies and i love the show but i think they should have done more research on the different time lines and maybe explain it more so us fans wouldn't have to talk about it all the damn time.



plus what was left behind in T2? Didn't they both go into the melted steel at the end?

Their wasn't anything left behind. Just that judgment day was going to happen regardless of wha tthey did. The computers took over dude.

i thought it was when arnold got pushed into the grinding gears by the t-1000 at the end and he got his arm stuck in it. then he just pushed the gears so they grinded through the arm so he could get back up again and protect john and sarah. so his arm was seperated from his body i'm pretty sure.  

The timeline is after T2.  T3 didnt happen.  Although they didnt get the age right of John Connor, or the year that T2 takes place, but oh well.  Im over it.
Also, they didnt prevent judgement day in T2.  They blew up Cyberdyne.  Thats all. Obviously Judgment Day still happens. And now we have the show.

About the arm.  Thats just a red herring.  When he loses his arm in the machine, its supposed to make you think, "Oh, they will just replace it with the extra one they have."  It was the chip in his head that was important to destroy.

Yeah it was the chip being destroyed that was important. I guess they are trying to make us think that just having the arm is enough to have given them the ideas needed. They have botched the timeline pretty good though. I honestly don't remember what year T2 was supposedly in.

Terminator = 1984
T2=  1994  John is 10
The Sarah Connor Chronicles say that the events of T2 took place in 97 when John was 13. It also goes on to say that Sarah is 33 in 1999 making her 18 in the first movie.   The show starts off in 1999 and they jump to 2007.
T3= 2004.  This movie also makes the mistake of saying that T2 happened in 97. 

ohh yeah thats right.......but wasn't it his leg :headscratch:



crow:
T2 came out in 1991 and John was 13 at the time, hence why You Could Be Mine was used in the film

:peace:

i think he meant in the movie it was taking place in 1994, not when the film was actually made.

and to chinese democracy eventually: i'm pretty sure it was his arm.

It was definitely his arm. I remember it getting caught in the gear and he ripped it off with a metal rod.

Yes I know T2 came out in 91, but it takes place in 94 when John is TEN years old. Not 13.

ok it was arm now i remember :)


But John was 13 in the film not ten. If you recall he was in the 8th grade when he wasn never seen again in school (that was given in T3). And the typical age of an eighth grader is 13.


:peace:

T3 got it wrong, just like the show does.  John was TEN in T2.  The police readout says he is 10, the movie takes place 10 years after the first film.  John was 10 in T2.

That could've very well been a fuck up by the T3 makers. It wasn't all the same people from T2 i.e. no James Cameron.

Wow what an episode that was. Great ending. I won't say what happened yet cause i know there are people here who haven't seen it yet

I agree. Awesome episode can't wait till monday just a great ending and i love how they brought in an uncle. That was good. flawless episode


:peace:

Yeah i liked that too the uncle is a nice touch to it.

I'm diggin' this series, and certainly didn't see the uncle coming.  Now that I'm used to the idea of a teenage girl terminator, it's got my full attention, and it's very enjoyable. 

I would get to attached to the show folks. It very well might not get another season.

I think it will. Its doing pretty good ratings wise. Its holding in the top 30.

If it got cancelled i'd cry  :'( i would i love this show that much.


i wish i had a girl Terminator of my own :hihi: i'd really see if it was "human like" or not.............in the pants region.




:peace:

I really hope it gets a second season. I think it deserves a full one.

That was a fantastic episode. I can't wait to see what happens next.

ill get another 2nd season... so tonight was the last episode of the first season?

No its got several more left. There were 13 ordered and tha was only number 6.

when this season is over when will the next one begin?


also i liked how they gave some backgound to some things in this episode but i wish they would have progressed a little more in the here and now. But it really explained some things i thought and i think the producers really did there home work on this one :yes:


:peace:

Not until september or october when most shows start i would assume.

Yeah the flashbacks of derek really helped explain some things. Hopefully the present will progress more next week. Now i'm wondering is Cameron a traitor?

http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-striketvgrid-2008,0,7315843.htmlstory. Gotta find some way to get this show some more viewers to get it off that bubble.

awesome episode. so know we know Reese lied about not killing Andy and im really looking forward to what they are doing with Cameron and could it be she decided to keep that chip to revive another cyborg?

I had a feeling Reese did kill Andy but now we do know for sure that he did. We also know who's partially to blame for skynet.

Great episode last night.  I recorded it on DVR...you've no idea how hard it's been to not look in this threat until now.

It looks as if they've thought out a lot of the connections between the present and the future. 

I thought it was great too and the ratings seem to reflect that. It had the most viewers it had since the pilot.

I like the show but it's about time Sarah quits being an Estrogen Queen.

i hope we get to see more of the future in the upcoming episodes, i prefer last night future events over the ones they showed in the actual movies

Dude! She's a female........she's made of estrogen!  ::)

The future scenes were great. I hope we see more of that too.

Using those, they can have an almost infinite supply of story lines, limited only by their imaginations.

Exactly and i hope they have damn good imaginations.

I know but when a chick who is a hardcore untamable tigress all of the sudden becomes an emo pacifist kittycat...... one tends to ask 'wheres the balls?'
 :P

http://sarahconnor.wetpaint.com/page/Producer%27s+Blog

On the bubble  :nervous: whats that mean?

OMG if this show gets cancelled i will FREAK. Shows that should be cancelled never are like American idol Hells kitchen.......WTF are those :rant:


Terminator > best fox show EVER!

Like "future Cameron" said...sometimes they go bad...no one knows why.   ;D  Awesome.

Yeah exactly. How is terminator on the bubble and american crapol still on? I can't beleive people watch that shit. All its good for is more crappy music.

Yeah and it would make things even more interesting if she goes bad.

From a purely technical standpoint, I'd like to see them going about "reprogramming" her. 

When does Arnie's term end?  A guest spot would rule.  :hihi:

I'm not sure when it ends. Is he up re election this year or not til 2010? I think not til 2010.

No, he's already been reelected.  He had a partial first term, after the recall, and is now in his 2nd.

I just read here that it ends in 2011.  http://www.terminatorfiles.com/news/2007/2007-12-23-b.htm

That's odd.  I just checked too.  Of course...I used CNN.   :rofl:

We think alike  :rofl:

If Arnold was to be in T4 that would be fucking sweet but wouldn't he have to make a scedual like NOW?

because wasn't there word at one time saying that the next Terminator movie was to be released in '09? and its now late Feb. of 08 so they should be start filming about now shouldn't they ???

Yeah its due to start filming in april in new mexico. It kinda got on hold cause of the writers strike i think. The script is nearly complete though. They were supposed to shoot in budapest originially but got a better financial deal from new mexico.

new mexico? so i take it theres gonna be alot of desert seens in the movie and not the city or LA area where cyberdyne is?.......i guess............

I don't know i just read the location changed. http://www.terminatorfiles.com/news/2008/2008-02-11-a.htm. It does seem like a good location though depending where in new mexico they are there could be lots of open space, which would make sense since its supposed to be after a nuclear war and you would think there isn't much left standing.

are they still talking about making 6 Terminators all together?

Yeah the next one is going to be a start of a new trilogy.

Since you appear to be the official Terminator expert...can we expect something to do with the post-Judgment Day resistance?  Because that would be cool

Yes the whole film will take place in the future. You can keep up with the latest news on it here.  http://www.terminatorfiles.com/saga_t4.htm

Wow...lots of rumors.  I didn't realize the Terminator community was so large, and possibly almost as nutty as the GNR community.  Of course, as you're in both communities, it doesn't speak well of your future mental health.  :hihi:

haha yeah  :hihi:

There will only be 9 episodes this season..


and

lets hope they work hard enough for a season 2 :D

http://tv.ign.com/articles/854/854575p1.html

I hope so too. I think it will get picked up. I mean if the awful performing prison break got picked up i see no reason this won't. TSOC averages 2+ million more viewers. It should do even better its last two weeks too it won't be competing against deal or no deal.

when you tape a show does it register as a "rating"?

cuase i always tape Terminator to watch Wrestling then when thats over i watch it. but if it doesn't register tehn i'll just leave my TV and the other 4 on as well as i watch wrestling just so it has it..............every lil' bit counts right?


:peace:

yes it counts. they even count, they even have a rating on how many times the show was played off the dvr

Oh yeah it counts it even counts if you go to fox.com and watch it on demand. Another great episode i can't wait til next weeks season finale. I wish it were getting the full 13 shows damn that writers strike.

wasnt today the last episode? or today was #8?

No 2hr season finale is next week.

i have to say i was a little disapointed by this one, not as much action but very symbolic. Plus i like the way that they put Dr Silverman in the same cell babbling about the same shit Sarah did all those years ago in the same mental hospital :rofl: but why couldn't they have gotten the original Dr. S? i can't imagin what that old fucker has goin on these days............unless he's dead :-\



:peace:

I liked the episode...looking forward to the finale.


Perhaps he's been terminated.  :nervous:

lol well i can't wait either till next week then the week after that when we replace this thread with the South Park thread :headbanger: then the cycle will continue.

when does that new season of Terminator start off again?

Fox still hasn't given any official word on the shows fate unfortunately. All we have to go on is the producers saying they are working on a second season and think it will be back. If fox cancels this they have really dropped the ball.

He has apparently retired from screen acting.

just got this tattood on monday and I thought I'd share...
(http://a883.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/23/l_ccd63cac79185b9f251db28009da276a.jpg)

That is really cool. Did it hurt much?

yeah, after about the 8th hour everything hurt.  But its worth it.

wow that is a committed fan right there. I applaud :)

AHHH i think i just spoiled the season finally for myself for looking at the season finally pics for next weeks episode at ign.com  :rant:

Haha yeah did that myself. I couldn't resist.

lol is it the pic that involes a bed?  :rofl:

thats the one that ruined it for me

Seen 6 episodes now.
It was pretty fucking stupid for a while. The whole head goes to future and finds a  body and makes skin and blah. They really should have left that one out. ;D
But but! Then it suddenly got a lot better. Last few episodes were pretty cool.They shouldnt demystify characters like Kyle Reese though.

Two words holy shit! If fox ends the series like that and doesn't renew it seriously fuck fox!  :rant:

cant wait for tonight. this show has been available for download for like an hour but i need to see this finale in HD  :drool:

how did it end?

I wish i could see it in HD. I've got an HDTV but don't have HD from our directv. I'm moving in 3 weeks and will have HD from time warner unfortunately the series is over for this year and i won't get to see it in HD til fall if fox renews it.  :(

I don't wanna give it away in the thread for people who haven't seen it yet.

ah that sucks. if you have a fast download and upload speed i can invite you to a private torrent site and you can download all episodes in HD.

I do i am on fios 15/2 connection.

aww you lucky punk. you have no idea how much i want FIOs in my area. we been getting FIOS commercials alot lately in our local channels but they dont have any service out here for us  :rant:  :'(

cool well send me your email and ill invite you.

Thanks :)

Don't be too jealous i'm losing it when i move unfortunately couldn't find another place we could afford that has it. I'll be switching to Time Warner when i move.

aww that sucks. when i move out i want to be in an area that has fios thats all i want  :rofl:

You'll love it. We can only get the internet service here so i can't speak for the tv but the internet is lightning fast and connection very stable. Anyway back on topic. I wish we could talk about the episode but i don't want to ruin anything damn time zones lol.

well i guess if you want go right ahead. just make sure the font size is really tinny  :confused: and ill check back here later when its over

well looks like those pics from ign didnt spoil it for me. i thought the finale was alright. i thought i was gonna see some terminator on terminator action but guess not.  as for the ending yeah if they just end the show like that, then that would suck. looks like that explosive was meant for Sarah but luckly she sent out Cameron instead. i was expecting her to walk out of the jeep with no skin at all

i might have to rewatch some episodes, some information went in one ear and out the other  :rofl:

Yeah they better not end it like that. I mean i doubt cameron is dead but it will be interesting to see what kinda shape she is in.

what if they bring a new actress? she's comes out and is pure metal and they find another of those scientist or doctors w/e and re give her new skin and get a whole different person?

 man that would suck

Pretty good episodes, tonight.  When John's laptop got taken over, that was really creepy.  I'm sitting here, right now, hoping my mouse doesn't jump for my throat or something. 

Yeah i loved that scene. I also really liked the one where derek took john to the park to see his dad as a child. Of course thats another continuity error since kyle states in the movie he was born after the war.

SWEET episode... dying for more though!!! we need to see more terminator battles.

loved the taking over the traffic system and also John's birthday gift scene.. that was really awesome.
and the scene where john is held at gunpoint was really well played!!! yow!


great season overall, Way better than i expected when i first saw the preview a long time ago.

Definitely better than what i expected. I'm glad that i was wrong when i thought it would be horrible but it really turned out to be very interesting. Fox needs to renew this show indefinitely ASAP.

hell yea, i'm with you there.. renewal needs to happen Now!!!

I kinda liked at and wouldnt mind seeing it be renewed. But were the ratings any good?  :smoking:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminator:_The_Sarah_Connor_Chronicles#U.S._Nielsen_ratings

The events of Terminator 2 pushed back the date of Judgement Day, making it possible for Kyle to be born before the war.   

Those dont look to promising for a second season... :smoking:

I disagree. Another fox show prison break got picked up and its ratings this season were even worse. It continually ends up 2-4 in its time slot and in the top 10 for the night. Plus it does very well with dvr playbacks and fox.com on demand views. Take a look at prison breaks ratings this season. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_Break#Ratings_and_critical_reception. If they can renew a show that averaged only 8 million viewers for the season i see no reason to not renew one thats averaging nearly 10.

I certainly hope it gets picked up...an Arnie cameo might get things on track.  ;D

If they get desperate for ratings, they can always have the girl terminator gain a curiosity about human mating.  :hihi:

one other thing to consider is that they have another movie coming out so they will probably renew so that it will tie into the movie promo and what not.

"Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles." Fans need not worry: Sources say that "Terminator" will be back. Fox executives like the creative product and thought the finale's performance last week was solid. The network also spent a considerable amount marketing the show, giving Season 2 some cost benefit. Also: The fourth "Terminator" movie comes out in 2009, and as "The Simpsons Movie" proved, there are promotional advantages to film-TV synergy.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3i0e7d8449d58e7ec155e38327b9792059

Looks like the series is safe and getting a second season.  : ok:

GREAT!  :beer:

Bitchen! 8)



:lmao:

if they're going to do the TV-movie synergy thing like what was done with the simpsons, they're going to have to have the same caracters and shit like that in both won't they? :headscratch:

Same Characters, not the same actors. Essentially it's the same story line. Glad to hear it's going to be back!

I hope the excecs at fox pair it up with something better in the fall then prision break. I think the ratings would improve a lot if it was lead in by something like 24.

24 would be a good lead-in if people still care to watch it. It will have better ratings than prison break no doubt but with an unpopular season 6 and than missing a full season due to the writers strike, 24's ratings could take a serious hit. Esspecially if the planned tv movie their gonna do in the fall sucks.  :smoking:

I'm not sure what else they could use as a lead into it. I really haven't kept up with tv shows for awhile until terminator. I just thought of 24 cause i know its been popular. I know if it was paired with american idol it would do great but i do NOT what it associated with that trash in any way.

'Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles' Renewed for Season 2
Sunday, April 20, 2008
Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles has been renewed for a second season.  This is news that we've all been anticipating for some time now.  It'd been reported weeks ago that the Terminator crew had been told to staff up by FOX, and all indications from the FOX executives pointed to a renewal.  However, you can never be too sure with these things, and this seemingly final confirmation should finally put Terminator fans at ease. The source of this Terminator news comes from TV Guide's venerable Michael Ausiello, whose scooping abilities are incomparable in the TV world ? he's rarely wrong.  So, even though FOX itself has yet to confirm Terminator's renewal, there's about a 99.6% chance that it's true.

Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles wasn't the ratings hit that FOX had likely hoped for.  FOX hyped the living hell out of the series prior to air, and the first episode pulled in a big audience, but after that the ratings were just OK.  More importantly, though, the show itself was a creative success.  There was no backlash from die-hard Terminator fans; they mostly embraced the series and enjoyed how it deepened the Terminator mythology.  Every episode seemed to improve upon the previous one, and the casting was inspired ? especially Thomas Dekker as the teenage John Connor and Summer Glau as the newest ?good? terminator.  I can't wait to see where Josh Friedman (the show runner) and company will take us next season, especially after the chilling end of season one.

Initially, Terminator was supposed to be coupled with 24 on Mondays.  This would have provided FOX with an unparalleled action 1-2 punch.  Unfortunately, the writers' strike tore that plan to pieces and Terminator was left to fend for itself in a scary strike-addled TV landscape.  It will be telling to see what FOX has planned for Terminator next season.  If they wait to premiere the show until January with 24, the ratings will certainly improve.

http://www.buddytv.com/articles/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles/terminator-the-sarah-connor-ch-18738.aspx

Awesome!

i'm very glad to hear this :)  wasn't really expecting it to be renewed, fox likes to leave ppl hanging with a lot of it's series that they just end and don't even give it a finale.

good news, great show, would love a full season esp with strikes over

I hope it gets a full season and they don't pair it up with 24 which starts in janurary. I don't want to wait until next year to see this show again. I'd still like to hear the official announcement from fox before i completely believe this but the guy reporting it is said to be very reliable and rarely wrong.

this will be very cool if true. And yeah the guy reporting is rarely wrong on these things...

I am just praying this isn't one of the few times he's wrong but i doubt it is for several reasons. The 4 main cast members have been spotted in beverly hills for the last two weeks. There is pre production going on on the backlot where the show is filmed.

'The Sarah Connor Chronicles' Will Be Back
FOX renews 'Terminator' series for 2008-09
Zap2It.com

April 21 2008

Judgment Day won't come for at least one more season.

FOX has picked up its freshman series "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" for 2008-09, the showbiz trade papers report. The show earned a 13-episode order for 2008-09, on the heels of its strike-shortened and reasonably successful nine-episode run earlier this year.

The pickup isn't a big surprise; FOX Entertainment chief Kevin Reilly said in an interview last week that the show was already hiring staff.

"The Sarah Connor Chronicles" enjoyed a big premiere in January following an NFL playoff game, drawing better than 18 million viewers. The show's ratings fell off in its regular home on Mondays, but it still averaged 10.8 million viewers and a 4.5 rating among adults 18-49. In the latter category it's the top-rated new scripted series this season.

The series stars Lena Headey as the title character, who's obsessed with protecting her son John ( Thomas Dekker), the future leader of the human resistance against the machines that will one day wipe out most humanity. Summer Glau and Richard T. Jones also star.

FOX has several shows in development that could form a sci fi-tinged block with "The Sarah Connor Chronicles," including Joss Whedon's "Dollhouse" and "Fringe," from J.J. Abrams' company.

I assume they are waiting to see how the ratings are at first before ordering the final 9 episodes.

i'm sorry but i'm lazy tonight-

when & where will we have new Terminator?

We're not really sure yet. I've seen reports that fox is still in negotiations with warner brothers for the back 9 episodes and i've seen reports they're waiting to see how the first few episodes do. It seems like it will start in september/october though.

this article here also confirms the return of the show!!

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=45041

Ugh leading it into the awful prison break? What are they thinking. I hope it gets the back 9 episodes and gets paired with something better for winter/spring.

agreed.. prison break has become a big joke. i guess they couldn't pair with 24 this time.. stupid strike!

News on the next movie:

http://www.thebadandugly.com/2008/05/21/t4-begins-filming-with-batmans-knight

Glad to hear the movie has started filming. I'm really looking forward to it.

is Christian Bale the same guy that was in #3? i can't remember, if not why the hell can't they stay with the same actors?


wasn't there talk of Arnold being in the 5th and 6th one?

Unfortunatelly he wasn't. And they prolly opt not to stay with same actors because it all went to hell after they sacked Furlong over some bullshit reason when casting for T3.
I think the sightly annoying emokid version of John in the Sarah Connor Chronicles is lightyears better than the whiny cocksucker of T3.

How the hell a brilliant actor like Bale and utterly  talentless MTV director like McG end up in same project....it's hard to understand. Also very sad.
Odds are Bale will deliver something very strong as usual.. but  with the project resting in hans of  McG's..Ughh. Is there ANYONE who has any faith that this guy can put anything decent together?

The tv-series didn't start of as all that bad, and it kept getting better and better towards the end. Every episode kept having a few OH COME THE FUCK  ON:l - moments but in general, I thought it pretty much achieved what it had to.
It has the Terminator -feel in it, most of the actors are pretty good. I like Summer Glau and actress of Sarah Connor a lot. Specially actor of Sarah is borderline amazing for the role if/when you get over the fact it ain't Linda Hamilton.

No that was Nick Stahl in T3. Eh personally i would've rathered they brought ed furlong back instead of Stahl so i'm not bothered by Bale being in this one. There's been talk about him being in this one and others but no one knows for sure if he'll appear at all.

Anyone see the commercial for season 2 tonight during the all star game?

Terminator Sarah Connor Chronicles Season 2 Promo 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i9865Mj_vM&feature=related)

Terminator Sarah Connor Chronicles Season 2 Promo 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfRWukGfc-s)

Terminator Sarah Connor Chronicles Season 2 Promo 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Af465UovHc&feature=related)

Managed to find these promo's on youtube.  Can't wait for the new season.  I wasn't too keen on the show at first, but it really grew on me.

When is the new season expected to launch?

September 8th.

great fuckin news i love this show i hope they take what ever they can get out of it.

you think it'll go untill the movie/tie into the movie some how/ stop when the movie comes out in may of '09/ect?

:peace:

I'm hoping it lasts longer than just 3 seasons. I don't want it to end at the time the movie comes out.

thanks!!!! had no idea these were out!!!

Thanks dude :beer:

this is coming out on blue ray this week!!

http://www.amazon.com/Terminator-Connor-Chronicles-Complete-Blu-ray/dp/B00168HARG/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1219119493&sr=8-2

already downloaded the bluray rips in 1080p  8)  : ok:  :beer:  :drool:  :smoking:

Wow how long did that take ya?

about a day and 5 hours for 30gigs. would be faster if i had fios. it was just the episodes so no extras or anything. ill eventually buy it when i have extra cash laying around.

Thats not too bad for 30 gigs of data.

yeah. the good thing about the high def tracker i am on allows hit and runs  :hihi:

Wish i could afford blu ray :'(

u could have gotten bluray but you decided to get an xbox 360  :rofl:

fuck da ps3

Some players are getting pretty cheap. One of the best standalone players out there is a panasonic and its currently $369 at newegg.com

ah tomorrow the new season starts  ;D

I know i'm so excited  ;D

what time is it on?

8 eastern 7 central.

before Wrestling, bad ass 8)

Works out good for you then.

after wrestling for me  :smoking:

Two words.... holy shit!

ah its about to start  ;D

I wish it was on at the same time everywhere so i didn't have to wait to say something so i don't spoil it for west coasters.

you could always record it and then play it at 8pm pacific time  : ok: ... just don't skip the commercials  :rofl:

or just wait...i know its a wierd concept but i dont' know it might work :P


any who, i thought it was pretty good starter for the season. I'm glad they didn't kill or that lady Terminator (forgot name) she adds something to the show that i don't think could be replaced but something will probably happen to her sooner or later becuase now theres even more mis-trust between her and johns mom.

i'm looking foward to next week

:peace:

i read your great start and didn't even finish reading. how about waiting till after the hour. its still on for some people.

holy shit indeed  ;D amazing episode for starting off the new season. i was really hoping he wouldn't of pulled off Cameron chip while she was beginning him not to, and once they went to the scene where they were going to burn her i was about to get pissed if they would have done it hahah. looking forward to next week  : ok:

Yeah that part made me nervous but i didn't think they'd knock off a central character in the season premiere. It seems like this season she is gonna battle with good versus bad. How about that ending though? I was NOT expecting that. I was expecting croamartie or something to show up there. Btw did you catch what croamartie said to elison at the end there? I completely missed it.

i did have a feeling she would be a terminator but more like Cameron and not like the T-1000. Croamartie say's "Will see." So im guess Croamartie is going after Elisons family?

Oh ok i was wondering what he said. I guess he might go after his family. He has had plenty of chance to kill Elison and hasn't and i'd think if he wanted him dead he'd be dead already.

Good episode. 

Was that the chick from that band Garbage? 


Why not just avoid the thread on days it airs until after you've seen it?  Seems easier than trying to get everyone to self censor.

Yes that was Shirley Manson and wow time has not been good to her. She used to be hot now it looks like she's been hitting the hard drugs a little too hard.

But on the bright side, she can turn herself into liquid metal.  ;D

Haha good come back with that one. I think the writers kinda messed up with what they made her become. If i remember correctly the t-1000 can only be something of equal length and have no moving parts. I doubt she's as small as a urinal and don't most urinals have moving handles.

that shirley manson terminator chick was crazy! loved this episode!!! this is gonna be a good season!

by the way  just came across this article.. pretty good:

http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/09/sarah-connor-ch.html

I suppose in portraying a urinal on top of another urinal, any excess mass could be allowed to expand into the drain of the real urinal?

I didn't notice if it had a handle, but since no one pissed in it (her) maybe it doesn't matter. 

This is an odd conversation.  :yes:

That would've been interesting had he used it before she well i guess you can say came out of it?

Lena Interview ---

http://www.afterellen.com/people/2008/9/lenaheadey

T-1000!!!!
What a stupid and tasteless  way to introduce it but t-1000!!
I used to play T-1000 as a kid :love:

What a strange idea to bring Shirley Manson there.
Very good way to start season 2. Hope it keeps getting better each episode like with season 1.
The casting for the series has been brilliant, when it comes to main roles.
Connors+the terminator are all  lightyears and lightyears ahead of the cast they had in T3 for good guys.(..minus Arnie, ofc.)
Summer Glau is so much better Chick-Terinator than the Generic Hot Chick from Hot Chick Factory that they had in T3, whatever her name was.
Sarah would have to be my absolute fav though. You just cant pull it off better than her, without being Linda Hamilton.

Yeah, but I thought near the end where Cameron was talking to Sarah about the resurrection was kind of off...there should have been more tension but there wasn't. Good episode, though. I've been pretty critical of it at times but it's an enjoyable show.

Wow another great episode. This show keeps getting better and better.

good episode i like how they left it open at the end and also how they brought back a Terminator from the past and given it a new look. The T-1000 thats made out of that atrimetricpoly-aloy or some shit like that. Can't wait till next week : ok:

Maybe it's my dinky TV, but could anyone read what was written on the wall at the end of the episode?

No it wasn't just you cause i couldn't make it all out on my HDTV either lol. I hope someone else here was able to make it out though. I know it said greenyard something.

it said greenway and had other names on it. i think it was a "grociery list" of people that the Terminator was suposed to Terminate. So of course they would make it so you couldn't read the names real well so that way it doesn't give away the next victim of the bad Terminators.

:peace:

Another good episode.  looks like the power plant is in evil hands after all...
I kind of liked the scenes with riley too.  go John! hahah

See, that's kind of what I thought as well.  But here's the thing...do they need to write it down?  Aren't they essentially walking, killing computers?  If it's really a death "grocery list," it's either a trick/trap or a not-so-well thought out piece of the plot, if you ask me (which you didn't).

True but of course we're just speculating on what it is. We really don't know for sure. We could all be way off lol.

however true thats all i could think that it was. besides, it wouoldn't be the first time that they've kinda fucked up on the plot, remember how they mensioned (in the movie) that Sarah Connor died in the 90s (can't remember exact year) but in the show they say 2005 is when she gets cancer.

I just really hope that when the Movie comes out the show isn't completely off from each other becuase that will confuse alot of people watching perhaps making the movie flop and the show to be cancelled  :nervous: which non of us want so i really hope they get their shit strait

:peace:

Yeah they did botch that one. I wonder if they're going to make it that what happened to her at the power plant in the last episode that is how she ends up with cancer.

That is good observation , maybe they will!

You do realize that the TV show doesnt acknowledge T3, right?  That movie, and everything that happens in it, never happened. 

i think they have its just that they could've done a better job of it imo

Umm, it was a list left by the time traveling good-guy who warned them about Greenway.  Now they have names and places of things that can help them stop skynet.  Sorry, I wasnt able to watch the episode until just now.

Thanks for clearing that up. Were you able to make out any of the names besides greenway?

No, but Im sure they will clear it up in following episodes.

Didn't like the 2nd episode much:(  It felt like such a filler somehow.
I wish(ed) they'd come up with something else than "Skynet builder person of the week #9821who needs  to be dealt with" - structure.
Some sort of a desperate escape thing would have been ever so nice.

It's too easy to taste some sort of ever-repeating:
Sarah:Oh noes, we can't just go around killing people, for I have learned my lesson
Beverly Hils 90210: Ah but we must kill him. But one has to wonder if I am much better than the terminators I so hate. Woe on me.

Yeah, they don't acknowledge T3 at all in this show. The show takes place a few years after Terminator 2 ends.

Anyway, I'm definitely digging this show more than I thought I was going to. Summer Glau just makes the show for me.

T3 was a mistake , kinda like an unwanted pregnancy

another good episode... i like how they threw in some morality issues.

i wonder if they will ever kill cromartie.

Yeah i thought it was another really good one. I thought he was gonna get john there in the water. I'm wondering why he didn't bother them at the funeral though.

DUDE!?.....c'mon T3 kicked ass :headbanger:



i wondered the same thing but then i tried to think if john was even there AT the funeral :headscratch:

No i don't believe they were at the funeral. I got the impression the next scene of them eating dinner was at the same time as the funeral.

thats right, i remember now.

That's how I took it, too.  It seems like an obvious location to avoid and a clear target for the Terminator.  If they show up, it's a mistake (whether he's there or not).

ok so what is the deal, is she still on the fritz??

It seems like it to me.

IMO that was the best episode to date. Too bad we have to wait until after the ALCS to see what happens next.

that was a good episode, only i was wondering the whole time what they did with the riley character?

can't wait for 2 weeks to pass

:peace:

Yeah i guess she's not in every single episode.

well if they're going to put so much on her in the first couple episodes she appears in then they at least need to have her make an apperance on every show so that way new veiwers don't get confussed. They kind of built her up alot in the last couple weeks and then not to have her in one full episode i think wasn't very wise story wise :-\

Hopefully she'll be back in two weeks. I like the character not to mention she's freaking hot!

I think its more pf an arc, there was alot of backstory in this episode,

Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles has reportedly been blamed by Fox for adversely affecting Prison Break's dwindling US ratings.

"Audiences just aren't responding to the show," a Fox source told website SyFy Portal about Sarah Connor, which is screened at 8pm on Monday nights as a lead-in to the jailbreak drama. "Our biggest surprise is the 18-to-49s [demographic] - those numbers are in the toilet."

The insider added that Fox is likely to axe the Terminator spinoff during its current second season and attempt to salvage Prison Break in another timeslot.

"All I can say is that production will likely stop, and I would think that Fox might try to air some of the episodes already in the can," the source stated. "But I don't know. They don't want to lose Prison Break, so there could be some schedule shuffling in the future."

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/cult/a131567/prison-break-to-be-saved-by-terminator-axe.html

 :( I've really been enjoying this to.

THIS IS SOME FUCKED UP SHIT MOTHER FUCKER :rant:

IF THAT HAPPENS I"M NEVER WATCHING FOX AGAIN

FUCK FOX

MAYBE PEOPLE AREN'T WATCHING PRISON BREAK BECAUSE IT SUCKS AND TERMINATORS BETTER, EVER THINK THAT?

DUMB MOTHER FUCKERS CAN ROT IN HELL, I;'M SICK OF WATCHING SHOWS ON THERE NETWORK THAT ARE GOOD AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY GET CANCELLED. ITS BULLSHIT




FUCK :rant:

I liked this week's episode.  The way they fucked up that terminator, it's a wonder they don't always set up shop at a military academy with a big ass gun.

That would be fucked up. Prison break sucks! It got worse ratings last year than terminator when it was the lead in and still worse when lead into by terminator? What's that tell you, prison break fucking sucks.

I read in EW that this is close to canceled... Now i've watched this a few times and really liked it... Problem is they put it up against Monday Night Football, an I've missed way to many to try and catch up.... I was gonna watch em on DVD, but if it gets the ax, whats the point?

You know you can watch them online at fox.com? They have fox ondemand.

not to worry...

and you can read it all at

http://tv.ign.com/articles/921/921475p1.html

Great news. The article makes two good points. It would do better on wednesday and it should do better when Idol starts up. As much as i hate that show i think it helped terminator last year as well as every other show on fox.

this news really really sucks. what the hell?!?!  prison break is dragging way too long.. i hate it when this crap happens!

fuck yeah :headbanger:

oh that is great news, thank you!

what do you guys think of this season lately.. some really creepy episodes.

i really liked the last one where it's like a detective show a little bit.  there is so much left undiscovered/unsaid that I hope they can wrap some of it up by the end of the season.

I agree and don't worry there is plenty more season to come should be another 15 or more episodes shouldn't there? :headscratch:

but yeah i just watched the latest one and i really liked how it went and included things from the 20s and how she found the Terminator campin' out in that wall then killed it. As for the guy in teh wheel chair i kinda wished they would have said more about what happened to him but that would make it a show that gives a happy ending or some show thats normal which Terminator is far from.

as normal, i can't wait to see the next episode. I love this show : ok:

That was a great episode. I hope they let us know what happens to the guy in the wheelchair. I'd also like to know why that terminator was to kill the mayor? Maybe he helps prevent skynet or was a key resistance member.

i'd love to know those things. so many unanswered questions which is why i love the show and it's also creepy!!

I bet that mayor was key in some part of the resistance or helping John in the future.

I had myself convinced that the entire episode was about raising capital and buying property to fund Skynet...the assassination came as a surprise.  But it was cool when she just found that fucker in the wall like that.

pretty insane episode eh?

I assume it's to be continued next week?

are the flying ships part of the same company that's building the skynet computer?

next episode is on Feb. 13th

dammit!!! such a long wait.
thanks for the info though...

Yep next episode friday feb 13th. That episode still has me confused. Why are there two rileys and that ending how can they end it like that ugh. Too long to wait until the next episode.

I don't think there are two, though the episode bouncing from flashback to real time was confusing.  Just one Riley...from the future on some sort of "fuck John Conner" mission, I suppose.

Also...did anyone else feel like they missed an episode before this one?  I record them on my DVR, and faithfully watch them in order, but in the "last time on Sarah Conner" stuff at the beginning, they were showing Ellison and Cromartie at that office and I swear I hadn't seen that in any show.  I know Ellison dug him up, but this was the first I've seen of Cromartie since then, despite the opening footage.

Perhaps the DVR missed one?

No i know i saw Jessi come back from the future with another riley and that one is on the fuck john mission.

Yeah you missed something. Elison brought croamartie to the computer company and she fixed him up to use him as that computer.

i just saw on TV guide channle that theres a new episode on tonight in  16 minutes. i figured this is lucky cuase usually i'm out on fridays doing shananagans (inside joke) and over the past weeks i was wondering when this show would be back on.

i'm asking yall if you knew about this or if this is even the first episode of the new year and if i've missed any?

:peace:

its the first episode of the year

Its the first one since it went on hiatus late last year.

Had no idea it was back on until it appeared on my DVR.  Looking forward to it!

So what did everyone think about this last episode? How about that ending.

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK :rant:

i forgot it was on. Does fox re-air shit or something, i have to see this one.


FUCK :(

I think the actor who played Kyle Reese had clearly been studying the 1st movie with Michael Biehn, the simliarity in the voice was uncanny, anyway, very good 2 return episodes!

go to the fox.com website you can watch full episodes there.

I think his speakers are broke  :hihi:

WOW. Tonights episode was fucking awesome  :drool: i hope this show comes back for another season

I'm really hooked on this show now...hope they bring it back.  Maybe a good run for the film will help the show.

I love that there are no limits to where the show can go (i.e. the future).

Such a bittersweet aftertaste.
If only entire show had been as brilliant as last 5-6 episodes!!
Sadly both  seasons had more than their fair share of boring, embarrassing and poorly written shit episodes.
YET! The build up to final and the ending of the show  itself were amazing. 
Last episode was very clever, and executed with such a good taste.

I don't mind much at all if it ends here.
...But that's mostly just because too large part of me is certain that 65% of season 3 would  be uter shit.

If the show had maintained the quality of it's last quarter, it would be up there with Battlestar Galactica and Rome and Sopranos.
..well, almost.

Ahh man the final was so fucking cool. Hands down best Terminator related fiction since the ending of T2.
I'm surprised if T4 does better than this.


The script of the series as a whole is very dark! It's a shame the director(s) never truly had the desire or talent to go all the way with it.
Darkest episodes come with plot structures and moments that can easily match the most grim moments T1 has to offer. Somehow things got abit stale somewhere on their way from script to screen.  Not enough sorrow,suffering and cold blue light of the night! Too much teen angst, disturbingly pregnant blonde girls,  two steps from emo - moments of Cameron  and ,most of all,  sun light!
Somehow the show ended up being dark and sad in a same way Ring would be scary and disturbing had it been directed by George Lucas.

Totally agree, the episodes following Sarah's shooting were mainly awful (dreams etc) and really screwed up the follow of the main storyline - the Riley/Jessie stuff outstayed it's welcome by several hours. But the last few have been really good again. This is not official but doesn't look good for another season.

http://www.fmqinc.com/terminator-cancelled/

Shame, though in truth the last episode was the perfect ending to a story line that straddles big and small screen.  If that's where they leave off, it's much better than some hugs-all-around ending after another five years or something.

Don't think these script writers would ever conjure a scene that delivers  too many hugs :hihi:
Death of Derek in 2nd to last eppy. Among best on screen deaths ever!! No bullshit, no sobs, no drrrrramatic and overly obvious I love you!!" - monologues before  or after getting shot. No no, nothing but cold efficient and behind the corner (literally!) bullet in the head. 

If this is indeed the end. I am glad Derek was in the last episode. I really liked his character and his acting. I think Brian Austin Green is a damn good actor.

whao who said anything about this being the "end"? was that in fact the last episode? i just watched the tape of it today and i thought it was pretty good however it raised more questions than it answered so i REALLY hope that that wasn't the final episode and really just the last of this season espectially since the movie isn't following the show..............isn't it?

According to the above article it is the end sadly.

http://www.scifiscoop.com/news/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-deserves-renewal/

A more optimistic and obsolete take to the whole go or no go situation.

That was a really awesome ending of the season and probably the show. It's really too bad.. i guess fox has a history of screwing over sci fi shows by moving them and what not.
shame for everyone.. fox is losing out for sure.  loved the show, and i thought it would be lame at first!  ah well, at least I have the movie to look forward to!

Well if they really look at all the numbers and then decide it sure has a chance cause its DVR/amazon/itunes numbers have always been high.

I'm Really hoping that they do look at all the numbers. i wrote into them too for whatever that's worth!

I'm glad you wrote in , and hopefully more people will. I couldn't have given two shits about terminator when this series started but I watched a few and it rapidly became one of my fav. shows. Now with the feature film opening soon I cant understand why fox would pull the plug when people will be exiting the theater wanting more terminator, to me this seems like the perfect time to revamp the show do alot of tie in movie/tv show ads. and pull in new viewers.

I'm not too "entertainment biz savvy"...where can I find some useful numbers?  Because I'd be happy to add my voice to the chorus on this one.

good article i guess i never relised how popular this show really is. i've always liked it personally, i just hope that FOX doesn't fuck this off like it did with Drive. >:( that was another show that pissed me off when they just stoped it all of a sudden

here is some info if you want to write to them...


FOX Broadcasting
Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles
10201 W. Pico Blvd.
Los Angeles, CA 90035

WB
Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles
4000 Warner Blvd
Burbank CA 91522

Or email them at:
askfox@fox.com c/o Fox President Kevin Reilly
Scott.Rowe@Warnerbros.com

Well unfortunately it has been cancelled.

Josh Friedman has issued a public letter to fans over the recently axed Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles.

Friedman hinted that he does not believe Fox has been unfair to the programme, but said that "good shows are cancelled every year".

"Every network wants a big fat hit, especially one with a brand name behind it, and Fox was/is no different," he wrote. "They supported the show, they supported my vision of the show, and they gave it plenty of time to find an audience."

He added: "Good shows are cancelled every year; smart shows, worthy shows, shows which move their viewers to write blogs and have viewing parties and create action figures and bury executives? email accounts under thousands of messages."

Friedman also thanked fans for their support throughout the show's two-season run.

"Thanks to a brave and talented cast, a feature crew working on a TV schedule, and everyone else who I could list but won?t because they know who they are," he said. "Mostly I?d like to thank those of you who?ve supported us and fought for us and given up hours of your life to watch our show.

"At the end of the day, that?s what it?s about. The watching."

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/cult/a156403/friedman-discusses-sarah-connor-axe.html

fox pretty much destroyed the ratings of this show when they moved it to friday nights; when it was on monday's it usually received very good ratings and was perfect they way they had this show on from fall to winter; and 24 in the same spot from jan to may.

fox really shit the bed with these moves

The show was OK to me. Nothing special. I watched the first season and some of the second season. One week i just missed an episode and than another week went by and I had no burning desire to watch it again. So I just kinda forgot about it.  :smoking:

FUCK FOX :rant:

peices of shits, i hope they all die horibly >:(

easy there tiger

The first Terminator film will always be the best

I would just like to say that T2 craps all over the first. IMO, of course.

Fox does have a history of messing with sci fi shows.. they moved the xfiles to sunday nights, they moved terminator to friday nights, they don't promote them much, etc etc etc...
how lame.. still sad about this show!!!!