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This website has a poll up asking readers what their favorite GNR song is. VOTE!

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Better's at the top, with 45% of votes : ok:

Got my vote, 50% of the votes go to Better  : ok:

this is a poll on the "Best" song, not "Better" song.

Estranged takes my vote...

Better can't be the first single anymore :x

Voted for Paradise City :]

yeah. I think the leaks kinda ruined that for the band.
1st single is supposed to be a surprise, a big WOW...and not "been there/done that."
:(

I'm afraid that people have heard Better so many times, that when the album does come out, people aren't going to be as interested.

We'll see. Hopefully "soon" :)

well that's only happening in USA you know, people in the rest of the world haven't heard it on the radio : ok:

Chinese Democacy Track List:
Better
Catcher in the Rye
Silkworms
The Blues
Madagascar
IRS
TWAT
Chinese Democracy
Oh my God
Rhiads and the Bedouins

I hope people realize that we are most likely "waiting" for 2-3 songs...All of which will most likely be leaked weeks before the album is.

BETTER Is The SONG !!

HBK *

Back in '91 we heard YCBM also months before the illusion albums were released, so I guess it's not too late.

 

I voted "Other" as in "Oh My God".

those songs are unlikely to be on CD

I'll be happy with whatever they release!!! I would prefer a new song that I've never heard before though. Beggars shouldn't be choosy either. It's all gonna' be good!!!

 :yes:   :-*   :beer:

CITR?!
the best of the bunch? The 1st single for 2001? I hope not! only the best song GNR ever made.

In support of the current line-up "better" has my vote.

"Better" in its original leak form was a great song. The new leak is mediocre. The old leak is great but it's not my favorite GN'R song. It was very tough to call between "Other" (for "Don't Cry" or "Rocket Queen"), PC, SCOM, WTTJ, NR, or Estranged. I ended up going with PC.

yea i like the song, theres just been talk of it being omitted.  It hasnt been played live yet which, for a song of its calibre, makes me think it may be absent

I seriously doubt it will make this album.

on the other hand, rhaid hasn't been played but we know the band is prepared to play the song and its an option.   So I'd say Rhaid is more likely than CITR, at least this time around.  JMO.

voted : ok: Better is now up to 59%


and why dont some of you like the newest leak of Better? i thought it was cool maybe a little much but hell why so picky???

I could have went with other! because Nightrain is my all time favorite but it changes alot on mt mood. I love Better and Paradice City, but I had to go with Jungle! 20 years later and that song is still rocking hard!

"Better" became my absolute favorite Guns' song almost immediately after it leaked last year : ok:

I don't believe the people that votes for Better. How can a song we've only heard a demo of be better (lol) than a song like Paradise City or WTTJ which have had so much influence in the history of rock? Those people probably just vote for Better because "dis-s0ng-has-to-B-no1-cuz-nU-G'n'R-Roockzzz-omgomgomg!11!". Don't get me wrong because Better is going to blow everybodys mind, mine too, but I just dont believe the people that vote for it as better than songs like Paradise City or WTTJ.

I believe in 1986 there were people who liked paradise city or wttj heard live better than the then great 20 yr old classic rock songs.

Paradise City all the way!!!

And it's only natural that those who are into fresh inspiration take the better song over the oldies now.

Even if your alleged final track list were accurate (and it's not), we still haven't heard studio versions of The Blues, Madagascar, or Chinese Democracy.  There's still lots to look forward to.

i voted estranged its always been my favourte song as much as better is a good song and is in the top 10 of my best gnr songs i don't think it will ever be number one

There's no way 'Better' is better than 'Estranged' in my opinion. No way! :)

NEW POLL, what is better?  "Better", sex, or winning the lottery?

Man I am totally supporting the new album bro, "better" all the way!! 




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Guys, I hope you realize that Better is winning because people on the GN'R forums are purposely voting for it - just as you all are doing.  ::) People saying Better can't be a single now because too many people have heard it aren't realizing that if this were posted on RollingStone.com or another BIG site where thousands upon thousands were voting, Better would have a fraction of the votes it has in this poll.

Don't get me wrong - it's a great song. It's at the top of my iTunes playlist. But I don't think it's the best GN'R song and the general public would certainly never vote it as such. Millions of people have still not even heard of Better. With some tweaks it still has potential to be fresh when/if released as a single.

Ah. You mean the website for the magazine that just gave "Better" a great review?

You're missing the point of what I'm saying.  ::) Somehow I guessed that would happen.

I just acknowledged that Better is a great song. I didn't say RS would dislike it. I'm saying that the song has not suffered from over-exposure and many average people across America and even across the world who aren't on GN'R message boards still haven't heard it.

People in this thread are complaining that this poll indicates Better has been heard by too many people and therefore isn't "fresh enough" to be a single. I'm saying it IS fresh enough to be a single, it's strong enough to be a single and it should be a single. Rolling Stone has a wider range of readers than the online paper for the Ohio State University, wouldn't you agree?

Someone posted the poll on MyGNR and HTGTH and all the regular forum users here bumped Better to the top of the list. If it were RollingStone.com, Better would be at the bottom because many average music fans who read papers/sites like RS haven't heard the song yet. Rolling Stone Online polls usually get thousands of voters. The Ohio State University would be lucky to get as many visitors in a month as RS.com gets in a day.

Giving it exposure in Rolling Stone is a good thing (they recommended it as this month's "must download" song) but I still don't think that means it's too over-exposed to be used as a single in the future.

Do you understand what I'm trying to say now? Or do I need to clarify it more?

I'm not bashing Better, I'm not bashing Axl, I'm not bashing GN'R forum users. If anything I'm defending Better because I still think it has potential to be a catchy single for Chinese Democracy and it'll be a good way of introducing the general public to the new GN'R. It's mainstream enough to have wide appeal and it's not too heavy or different to alienate people. It's more listener-friendly than TWAT, even though I think TWAT is stronger in parts.

The only song we've heard the final studio version of is OMG. The other ones are just demos og live versions. S? The Blues, Madagascar and Chinese Democracy aren't the only ones we haven't heard final studios of.

Even that is debatable. OMG probably won't be on CD anyway, so it's not worth worrying about. 

Correct.

Cool, just voted.  Better is at 56%

Do you guys honestly like "Better" more than Welcome to the jungle, Estranged, and Sweet child of mine?  Seriously?

Better is a great song, and if people love it now that we?ve only heard a demo, it will kick ass when we finally listen to the studio version in the record.And the same with the others. ;)

Better hasnt even been heard in australia yet on the radio stations,
and as far as im concerned, is a song that you can never get sick of,
so why the fckk would it not be a great single?


Ohh i forgot, because only americans and mabye one or 2 other countries have heard it,
which means, "better cant be the single, it doesn't have the "wow " factor"

you know what,

it doesnt have the wow factor caus you listen to the demo way too much (dizzy incompleted/dissapointment for it to happen)
so how can you judge it??


/gunns1.

This album has cost 13 million dollars, has taken a very..very long time to finish and has been in the spotlight for a good while now.  It better damn well have a "wow" factor.  "Better" is just fine and dandy.. but Axl needs to release the "Best".  Although I love the song, I pray that it isn't the best on C.D.

That's ridiculous IMHO.

Quite honestly, yes I do. anything wrong with it?

You're like asking if the rock fans in the late 80s or early 90s really liked Welcome to the jungle, Estranged, and Sweet child of mine more than stairway to heaven, gimme shelter and other great rock classics.

They are all great but at the moment better (or IRS) is my fav.

nice, Better has 54%...way to support Chinese Democracy! :)

You are comparing completely seperate bands, which is of course ridiculous.

How? All of the songs featured are Guns N' Roses songs.

My post was in reply to ppbebe

I understood that.

What I didn't understand is how comparing different Guns N' Roses songs is comaring two different bands.

I heard Better on the radio yesterday. It was closer to the first leaked version. It rocked. It was real tight. Axl's vocals were crisper and mixed differently than any other version I have heard. For the record I did hear the latest version that Dizzy was talking about. I did not like it at all.

I hadn't been on here for over a week and thought I would come here today and read about the official single being released. It was that good that I thought I was in fact listening to the final studio version of "Better".

Could the band have slipped it in there to counteract the shit version? It would be a great idea IMO.

I'm telling you this was final mix quality!

No, it wasn't. I would say it was a mixed version with both demos. I already heard that and sounded indeed better than the previous, but not final mix quality for sure.

Or maybe the radio EQ was just different.

where? I'm not and you're.

what ridiculous is that you can't see it's about songs and not bands. I thought you could and  I interpreted your question as  the comparison of classic vintages and fresh and a little innovative ones. Which fits your mood of these days bedder? ---- but apparently you're just trying to compare the bands.
Is it the lineup of the band that decide if you should like a song?

And I don't think your preference of AN old song to A recent one makes you less of a keen appreciator of modern music/ GNR.
Tastes differ. For instance, if it was the blues, although a good song everybody loves, I'd take wttj or paradise city. and yet I might be saying otherwise in 10years time or even in a few weeks. Who knows.

My reply to your comment here was the only one involving different bands.  I was commenting on your comparison.  I could not care less who is in the band when I hear the new songs, I am not that anal of fan.  If it sounds great then hell I love it.  I am simply saying it seems odd that everyone is selecting BETTER as their "favorite" gnr song.  I cannot see how BETTER surpasses SCOM or WTTJ.   Those songs are fucking masterpeices, and BETTER, even though it is a really good song, just doesnt quite compare. 

Hopefully I don't come off as dissing "Better".  Just saying it doesn't quite match up with the perfection of those 2 songs.


quick example.  There is not a single note that I would change in either SCOM or WTTJ, they are perfect.   BETTER on the other hand has that sloppy robot noise after the heavy part that just sounds.. not that great.   I don't know, maybe robot noises just arent for me.  Not to mention the rythem guitar is extremely basic.

So what you're saying is that you personally don't think "Better" is a better song then SCOM or WTTJ? If that's the case, then that's cool but I can't understand how you can be disappointed with other people for liking "Better" more.


(P.S. Before you remind me that you were replying to someone else, please remember that you're posting in a public area. Even if you were originally talking to someone else, due to the nature of these things other people are going to throw their opinion in.)

So, all you're saying is your opinion and ppbebe (and me, BTW) can't have a different taste?

Oh, Better has "that sloppy robot noise"?. So, Rocket Queen has sex sounds on it, does it make the song worse?

And for your "extremely basic" guitar work, the tempo and the chords are far from being basic. You know, the song is not just power chords, as many people think.

I really think it's funny how people just can't stand for someone liking a new song more than the old ones. It's like sacrilege or something. :P

So, all you're saying is your opinion and ppbebe (and me, BTW) can't have a different taste?

Oh, Better has "that sloppy robot noise"?. So, Rocket Queen has sex sounds on it, does it make the song worse?

And for your "extremely basic" guitar work, the tempo and the chords are far from being basic. You know, the song is not just power chords, as many people think.

I really think it's funny how people just can't stand for someone liking a new song more than the old ones. It's like sacrilege or something. :P

The age of the songs means jack and shit to me.  Jumble it all together and hit play and I'm a happy man.  New songs, old songs, it is all just guns and roses.   I aboslutely love BETTER, but it just isn't QUITE in the same league as SCOM or WTTJ, Paradice City.  To me someone saying "I like BETTER more than WTTJ" is similar to them saying "I like Shotgun Blues more than WTTJ"  I may beleive that a few people here or there will think that, but not 54% of the community.   

I don't think that the whole GN'R-communtiy voted on that list, if that now would make you any more happy.

I voted for Better, simply, because I like it the most out of the songs that you can choose from.

Damn right....  i'm with you.

"Better" is obviously not the greatest song GN'R has even come up with, but I rank it in my top 5 for sure.  I went ahead and voted for it anyway, give the new songs some recognition!

This is why I think "Better" has such a high rating. 

Yeah, its sort of like giving uncle Axl some sympathy sex for what little has actually transpired of his musical musings lately, accidentally or not.

I voted for Estranged also.

I think......If I remember correctly.  :confused: