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I think so! I believe all of us fans and even casual listeners around the world will buy it. I'm thinking it will sell 5 million copies worldwide the first week.

Get real. No way. Gun's n roses simply aren't as important to the world as they used to be.

No, Chinese Democracy will not be the fastest selling album ever.

no, but don't underestimate how popular this album could be.

probably not, but I still think it will be one of the biggest of the last 10 or so years.

"Will Chinese Democracy be the fastest selling album ever?"

You're joking right? ?::)
You do realise it's only us hardcore fans that give a shit about this record...

I agree 100%.  The only thing I see this album getting is a Rolling Stone cover, and alot of talk on the radio.

I think the illusions records sold around 1,6 millions combined the first week in 91 and Guns isnt nearly as important nowdays.

Mayby they can sell 500k if the promotion is good. (a very uneducated guess)

In the end the music will decide

Does it matter how much it sells? Axl doesn't care too much, and we don't care at all. As long as it's out, I don't give a fuck if it sells one copy.

How do you know if Axl doesnt care that much.  I would think that spending millions of his own money and record company money and the fact that his entire career and legacy is on the line based on the success of this album, would mean that he does care.  If this album doesnt do well there wont be another album.  You dont think the band members who arent multi-millionaires dont care?  This albums going to sell alright, but major critics have panned the new songs, gnr's pr is pretty bad,  and who knows when therell be any promotion.  Fastest selling ever? haha.

does anybody know what was/is that fastest selling album...ever ?

First gut reaction would be no.

But I do think it will have high sales just because people are curious.

If it was a Reunion Album , maybe, otherwise only us, hardcore fans will buy it

lol, no way. I've been speaking with non GN'R fans and they're excited as well.

My thought exactly.

The only reason non-gnr fans will buy this album is to see what the world waited 15 years for. But i think most of them will be suprised at what they hear and thats how word will spread.

I think it has potential to hit high the first week 15 years of anticipation, and the Illusions sold 1.6 in U.S. alone. It may not be a long shot for it to go 5 million the first week world wide but realistically it is just a wish. I don't care if it sells only the 4 copies I'm buying for my family, all I know is GNR have the potential to shock the world and convert fans. At the concert in Michigan I saw alot of younger people attending between 18-28 so who knows? Obviosly GNR has not been forgotten or a new age is moving in also but... If it gets downloaded before it hits shelfs that couls spell trouble for all the casual sells. No doubt all of us hardcore fans will buy it, but it must not hit the internet befotre hand. It would help if Axl made all the songs flow in together and not mix them apart so much on the album, time of year evrything plays a factor but all I know is I would love to drive around this summer coming up with my stereo balasting Chinese Democracy.

haha "a lot of younger kids between 18-28."  Wow if thats the younger audience at a concert GNR is screwed.

Speed is not everything. Better be loved long than fast.


I think there're still pure music fans that buy albums for the music.


donno but...thriller?

Obviously in the end the CD will end up being one of the top selling albums in a long time.

I cant imagine Chinese democracy being fast at anything :D

also with this day and age of computers/downloading... the answer is no.

 ;D Chinese Democracy and fastest should never be in the same sentence.

I believe that when it is finally released, there will be a lot of press and interest...but I don't believe it will sell millions and get near the top of the charts. Once it has been released and after a few weeks, the farore will have died down and there won't be much left in terms of interest.

It won't be the fastest selling album ever but it will sell well.  My prediction is about 500,000 copies the first week in the US, 2-3 million in the US within a couple years after its release in the US and 8-10 million copies worldwide after a few years of its release.  If this album has a string of big singles it could stay on the charts for a long, long time

I think this album may be a slow-burner. Possibly a big first week in sales. Not record breaking though. With sales staying steady weeks and weeks after.

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It'll come out strong, then slow down.

But it will hang in there for a LONG time.

In the end, the product will speak for itself.  And there's nothing Jimmy Kimmel can do about it.

Maybe it will. Maybe it wont. Uncle Axl can't count on my money though.True it is his own band and he does whatever he wanna do with it.Still, it is my money too.
If they had to wake up at 6:00 AM everyday I am preeeeetty sure they would've released the album a loooong looong loooooonng time ago - Life's so hard , they go through some much trouble that's why it hasn't been released yet - I'll tell you having a hard life. How about getting a real job ?
Since they don't need it I'm keeping it,thanks. Hi, my name's download mthrfuckr, muacks  :love:

If CD does goes massive it won't be because of its quality, IMO 60% of the peaple that will buy it are 87-94 GNR fans and are curious of what it sounds like, same with VR i think its a decent album, but the only reason loads of people bought it was because 3 of them were ex GNR members.

no matter what anyone says GNR arent what they used to be FACT.

 ?Best first week sales was set by NSync 2.4 million in one week. GNR as kings of the world sold 1.4 combined of the UYI (which was impressive as hell in 91).

 ?Green Day with the Monster Album American Idiot sold 3.5 million (first year in the U.S.) and think of how much you heard those songs on the radio.

 ? GNR have a uphill battle but I believe this album will do very well. They got a get on a roll....as for radio support, if it is as good as we hope (the album), radio/MTV will come around. Once there is the smell of cash and profit in the air the leeches will be swinging from Axl's nuts again.

 ? You think of all the shitty music these cocksuckers push to the top of the charts, fuck me.

 ? FERGALICIOUS comes to mind. The song is pure shite....(I am sure she is delicious though but that is beside the point) ?

No.  I have no doubt it will be one of the best-selling albums of the year - whatever year it comes out - but it simply has little chance of being the "fastest-selling album ever."  When the time comes, though, the album will serve a critical purpose to several large groups of people:  to remind old GnR fans that the band still exists and is making incredible music, and to allow a whole new generation to discover GnR, many for the first time.

No

"In the end, it?s just an album"
And if he cared much, he'd have released it 7 years ago and made the money then.

NO!

It obviously wasnt dont 7 years ago or he didnt think it would do well.  Of course he's going to be cool about it in public statements, however, in the same public statement he mentions how he fired his manager for his promotional idea.  Why do you think Axl cares about record promotion.  If you dont think money matters youre clueless.

I have to agree.

It wont sell as much as people are expecting.  I truly believe it'll stop at 4 or 5 million max.  That's a shame, but I think it's gonna bomb considering the expectations.  For ANY other band, 5 million is a HUGE number.  For Guns N' Roses... nooooooooo way.  Not this album.  It's got so much cost to recoup.  However, if what Axl is saying is true, and we can expect 2 or 3 albums to come from these sessions, I suspect it'll make it's cash back that way.

no. times have changed. but it will sell very well. i'll be surprised if it doesn't

It'll be the fastest downloaded album of all time!!!!

Sales don't tell greatness, its how it stands the test of time.

I think it will be greeted by great apathy as most of the people buying music now have no idea who GnR are, were or their significance in the past.  Their are die hard fans who will buy it the second it comes available, but those are just the die hards who have been waiting hands on the cheeks waiting for it to come out.
I will buy it.  I like GnR.  (Not as much as I like Izzy though).  But I won't be in line waiting for it on the first say it is released. 

I think this album is guaranteed to sell atleast a few hundred thousand copies its first week, but that really doesn't matter.  What mattters is its longevity and appeal to the average, non-hardcore fans.  Having said that, we must realize that most people think that Axl and GNR with all new guys is a joke.  Let's be honest.  The fact that it has taken this long to come out has, in my opinion, turned off many potential buyers.  Who knows?  I hope the best and can't wait for the damn thing. 

It's gonna sell quite a bit, but's it's gonna get shit reviews no matter what it sounds like...

No, it doesn't have a chance just because of the way music sells these days. I think it won't sell as much as Illusions did, maybe 3-4 mil.

Are YOU joking? GnR sold like 1 million tour tickets last year!!! With no album or single to promote. Add to that how successful VR became without the Guns n Roses name...

I think its pretty obvious Chinese Democracy will break sales records, even if only in a short stint.

^ The arenas in the US were actually pretty bad sales-wise. Imo that's why the one Maine show was cancelled and the Cali dates were cancelled too. The tour was a success, but not a strong indicator for high record sales.

But werent GnR the second biggest band in the world last year insofar as tour tickets sold? Wasnt it like 1,000,000 in second place to madonna?

Ie... surely its to be expected that the vast majority of those gig goers... and wayyyyy more rock fans will buy this record?

Chinese Democracy is an urban legend lol... it took on a mythological status many years ago... I cant think of any other band or artist thats had this amount of sustained hype after its demise!!

The stones are a completely different band.. with a completely different history... and completely different demograph of fans.

The only worry i have is how many fans download this record rather than buying it.

That aside, this is a truly once in a life time situation in rock where you have a band explode at their peak.. and leave a generation of fans begging for more for 10 years. And within those years the bands name is cemented in rock history as one of the best... attracting more fans... whilst giving us all hope for a second coming.

GnR will be back this year and theres no reason why they cant treble the admirable sales of the likes of VR.

Absolutely not. With most albums leaked onto the internet before they ever hit store shelves, direct sales take a huge hit. Some artists will throw in an exclusive DVD or something to get people to buy the CD instead of downloading it. Depending on whether Guns N' Roses would do this, expect somewhere around 200,000 copies sold in the U.S. in the first week, maybe 1.5 million copies worldwide.

No doubt that CHINESE DEMOCRACY will break some records, i mean, it already has with it costing 13 million+ in recording fees and with the wait taking more than 12 years. But in order for it to break any sales or popularity records would take alot from the band and the promo crew. CHINESE DEMOCRACY will probibly sell like AFD did, slowly. Because now adays to the mainstreem (MTV listening/watching mother fuckers) will view G'n'R as a "new" band and will have to get used to the new guns over time. And if that is all a sucess and all then i think that AFD and UYI 1 and 2 will sell more to cause the new fans will want to see what they were like back in the day, imo :smoking:

maybe n' sync or eminem..........for the first week at least. i remember when gn'r had the biggest week ever for a cd and that was around 850,000 the first week ( uyi2 ). after that i believe pearl jam vs. broke that record. in the mid to late nineties the first week records probably climbed steadily until peaking with eminem. i think he sold around 2.7 mil. the first week. since then every year it gets further and further from those type of numbers. the way the world is now,? i honestly believe that whatever record for the fastest selling album is ( eminem ? ) it will never be broken. that doesn't mean cd won't sell good. definately platinum and most likely multy platinum. in this day and age, given the fact that while haled by many, axl is still the most hated man in rock, i would say that is quite an accomplishment.? remember this to, some people for whatever reason go to a gn'r show just to throw something at axl. alot of these type of people will still buy the album......................you can't lie to yourself.? ?

Fastest ever? No.
5 million the first  week?  I don't think so!
Get real.

Ice-T was selling 500k easily with each album he released in the mid/late 90s. GNR has a much larger fanbase than Ice, even if you only count the psycho-fans. Any new GNR album should at least equal  the "Greatest Hits" sales worldwide.

Even if the album "only" sells a couple of million in twelve months, well, we should all be blessed with such a "failure" in our lives. 

 

Any album which sells like AFD did these days would find itself out-of-print before you could say "debuting at #185."

I dont know where you guys are getting GNR had the second biggest tour from.  I know that Kenny Chesney sold the most concert tickets, about 1.3 million, and the best grossing tours were.

Top 10

Rolling Stones: $138.5
Barbra Streisand: $92.5         
Tim McGraw/Faith Hill:  $88.8         
Madonna: $85.9         
Cirque Du Soleil - ?Delirium?: $82.1         
Celine Dion: $78.1         
Kenny Chesney: $66.0         
Bon Jovi: $59.7         
Dave Matthews Band: $51.3         
Elton John: $48.

Chinese Democracy is a punchline, there is no longer music on tv, no one really listens to the radio, this album will sell best by its fans and if GNR can get on talk shows and in the news.  Its still not going to be a huge hit.  Who buys albums anymore?  You can just dl it.  Ill buy it to support the band, but if it was a band who i used to like and I like the single i just heard, im going to go DL the album. I wont lie, id rather spend that 15 dollars on something else. 

how do you figure??? wouldn't the copies of CD just sit on the shelves untill people bought them? After the singles get air play people would start to like them more that haven't before. Think if you were some one that listened to some faggot ass hit station and you heard "better" or "IRS" or "TWAT" wouldn't you get curious and want to know who that band was and then go get that record?

it could happen :P

:peace:

Yes, they would. But it's not as though the label is going to press 10 million copies of the album and then let that investment sit in a warehouse somewhere until the buying public catches on. If they ship 500,000 copies the first week and only sell 50,000 it's going to be a while before another batch sees the light of day. How many copies did AFD sell in the first few months? It took the album a year to go from the bottom of the 200 to the top, how many times has that happened recently? AFD was a small release which grew steadily, it only gained support. A big release today, from any artist, has to sell big from day one or it's pretty much doomed. Granted, selling 100,000 copies in a week would be enough to place you in the top 5 these days, the #1 spot on a slow week (Marilyn Manson's last studio album debuted at #1 with about 110,000 units sold, for example). But selling that many is by no means guaranteed and a significant increase in sales after the first week of a major release is pretty rare, the trend is obviously the opposite.

Basically, if GNR have consistent strong sales for the first month or so after release it will encourage both the label and the media to continue to support the album (advertising, features, etc) which will inevitably help the sales to continue. If the album falters in the first couple of weeks, you can expect it to be forgotten pretty quickly as both the label and the media move on to the next prospect.   

maybe one of the biggest selling albums but not the fastest selling

No it won't. I doubt it will even sell that much. But i doesn't matter if the music it contains is good.

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ok that makes sence now, but after so many years of work put into this album i doubt highly that Axl and the band and anybody else working on this album will let it fale like that.

I really, really hope that that doesn't happen  :nervous:


fuck i hate waiting
:peace:

Will Chinese Democracy be the fastest selling album ever?

That depends on:
How big is the Gn'R user base?
All bands have a following and while each following thinks their band is the best, the rest of the world couldn't give two fucks.
Outside the Gn'R circle of fans, who else knows about Chinese Democracy? at-a-guess: Few

'IF' Chinese Democracy contains many fab radio friendly songs, then the album maywell be the next big thing. But with songs like IRS (which is a US thing) and Better with it's 'creepy baby' (Rolling Stone) intro, there's not much pointing to radio friendly'ness. And there are those that will always view bands such as Gn'R as 'cock rock' ;D

all my friends know about it :yes: :P

thats because i tell them and they already knew who G'n'R was so they picked up on it i gave them all a link to TWAT and Better and they all liked it alot : ok:

I'm surprised so many of you are dissing the enormous selling potential here. Not only do you have millions of die-hard fans across the world, you've got the " tweeners " , you've got many people in the music industry who are well-aware of this album, you've got a lot of people who just go and buy new albums in stores just for the hell of it.

If promoted correctly, it will sell ridiculously.

The buzz is actually real small. When GN'R played the Versace thing, there was barely any mention of them in articles covering the event. Millions of die-hards is an overestimate, because there's probably only like 20,000 GN'R forum members worldwide and that's gotta be over half the diehards. Curiosity won't carry this album, it'll need big singles and it's going to have real thick competition this year with how many big names are putting out records. And nothing GN'R has done in a decade had been "promoted corectly". Anyone thinking CD is going to sell 10mil is off their rocker.

We are just being positive  :P

Myself suspects it will be only GnR fans who buy/download it.
So it wont be any commercial sucess.

I don't see no reason Chinese Democracy won't sell good. Look at GNR greatest hits- already sold 7 million worldwide and that is songs from 15 years ago still going strong. I do not see it being too hard for C.D. to sell 20 million eventually maybe more!

Reasons-alot of casual listeners and young new fans will buy it!
Metal heads will check it out
Some housewifes will because Axl will put that ''one'' poppy catchy song on it
Buisness men and exectutives will buy it
College kids!
All of us true fans

The album will eventually be over the top! And I think it will start strong.
If greatest hits already slold 7 mil. Chinese Democracy is gonna triple that!

songs need to be good for people to buy 20 millions...

if it was that simple as you suggest than Axl would have released it 10 years ago.

Tweeners wont go for it , to them its a has been rockers attempt at being famous again, Die Hard fans? Not enough to get the selling to soar...

Greatest hits theory? haah Songs from 15 years ago ,exactly people buy that because they want to hear the classic GNR they want to hear the rock n roll tunes. Not an aged man's version of a band that once ruled the world. Housewifes rarely buy cd's , for one song especially lol. In the age of downloading , axl may very well be screwed he should have released before all this craze. Im not going to lie Im going to download it , Axl does not deserve any of my money at this point if his work is good then I might catch a gig.

no, probably not even the fastest selling album of the year

20 mil?? It's not gonna shift that many!!